This story is a nice work of fiction. HTM stated many times that months out warrior was getting belt and that HTM was given the freedom to come up with the match, which was awesome. Just think, people remember that 20 second or so match from over 3 decades ago. That says a lot.
Ikr!? barber was never going to win the IC over Warrior and he was always a B tier wrestler plus shoeshiner for terry bollea having lifelong heat with Warrior out of jealousy because he was one of few people terry couldn’t use his politics to bury. Barber is a pos and suddenly a tough guy after warrior died making paid shoot interviews like this being jealous of Warriors massive success barber invents fictitious stories to scam some smark in a paid shoot interview. It’s also disgusting when talking about a dead man who cant defend himself against obvious lies.
It's not necessarily fiction. Both parties can be correct. Did it ever occur to you that the office told HTM something different than they told Brutus?
Honky Tonk Man has stated in numerous shoot interviews that Brutus was never scheduled to get the title at SummerSlam. They had decided to go with Warrior several months before the ppv and even had test runs between Warrior and HTM at house shows. Ultimate Warrior had not even been around long enough to be able to politic in 1988. Take anything Brutus says with a grain of salt or less.
Yeah, he acts like Warrior stole his spot when in reality he would of never even had a spot if it wasn't for riding Hogan's coattails... Then blaming Warrior for his accident... Delusional jealous mark for himself
Yeah it seems like the people that are still around from that time exaggerate and lie about stories from that time. Notice it's always a story that involves people that are no longer around also, so that they can't defend themselves or call them out for their bullshit stories.
Yes. You're absolutely right Harker. I pulled up a shoot interview video that Honky did about 7 years ago with Hannibal. And Honky said it was planned like 6 months or longer in advance that he would be dropping the IC title to the Warrior. I personallly like Brutus, but I just can't believe a lot of what he says most of the time. Same thing with his buddy Hulk. Hogan is not very believable most of the time either with his stories. .
I don't know how accurate that is because Honky claims that when Vince told him he was going to lose it to Warrior it was because "I'm building him up to face Hogan at WM" so if that's the case then I highly doubt Warrior got the belt based off threatening to quit. Heck, he wasn't even in a power position to try a bold move like that yet like he later would be at Summerslam 91.
HTM was only as passing champ when he 1st got the title as well.. He was supposed to only hold it for a few weeks until it went to (I think it was) Tito but he left the company to be with his wife who just had a baby and Vince wasn't happy at all about it.. So HTM ended up holding it for a record at the time. It's funny that this joke thinks that no one else has talked about that era and guys like HTM have 1001 shoot interviews talking about things like the IC title.
@@fingersTitan Ricky Steamboat was the one who was IC Champ, then left to be with his wife when their baby was due. According to HTM, the plan was to give the IC title to Butch Reed, but he no-showed the TV taping, and they needed to get the title off Ricky, so Hogan suggested Vince giving it to him. As for how long his reign was supposed to be, HTM claims he told Vince, "If I don't draw, take it off me". I think we all know he was supposed to drop the title to Randy Savage at WM4 at one point, but he was in talks to go to WCW and felt having the belt increased his bargaining position, so he refused to drop it. Because of that, they redid the bracketing for the WWF World title tournament and had Savage win that.
A loved brutes as a kid but this is obvious because, warrior had just started, was aloof and didn't wanna work, he had zero political sway. Beefcake, however, wasHogans best mate
I wouldn't doubt that Vince told Beefcake that he was going to get the belt at Summerslam. He was probably a runner-up if the plan to put the belt on Warrior went south. But that being said HTM has said numerous times that before WM4, he knew they were planning to put the belt on Warrior in the Summer. Nobody has ever accused any wrestling promoter of being the most honest of men.
I don’t know if new fans can possibly realize how over Brutus was at the time of his accident. I read so many comments making Brutus out to be a joke and how he is little more than Hogan’s lackey. Brutus isn’t exaggerating when he talks of the accident and how it changed his career for the worse. Brutus is the perfect example of a guy who was over and then never ever able to get it back.
He’d have had a better chance if he hadn’t been clinging to Hogan for dear life. Fans were pleased when he came back for the Barber Shop - he should’ve gone into singles when he was cleared for in-ring competition instead of tagging with Hogan in the mask. Hogan was just waiting for his chance to steal the belt back, sitting and watching the likes of Warrior and Hart fail to set the world alight. I notice the Hulkster also waited until Savage was all but retired before trying that because he knew the Macho Man was a legit threat
Holy hell there seems to be an argument if Brutus was over or a joke. I was raised during that time and holy crap almost as many people knew Brutus as Hulk hogan. It never even came out until the late 90s how close they were. But Hogan had a whole crew of guys that one where he went. Today Brutus is a little off but back in the day it was crazy how much people like this dude. I always hated him because of his clothes but he was over.
@@SubZero-lh2tj Awesome point. Back then we didn’t know Hogan and Beefcake were best friends but so many people make comments saying that was the only reason Brutus made it. Beefcake got over on his own, and man was he over.
@@qmkb4917 the Beefcake hate is one of the best examples of smarks having to dump on everything. The average wrestling fans loved him. Looking back was he some technical master of wrestling, no. It was all about charisma and the rivalries of different colorful personalities.
i remember thinking brutus was def the next IC champion and even thought he could win the Heavyweight for a min... if warrior would have never came brutus and jake roberts woulda had a belt of some sort!
Beefcake was my hero growing up, and was in the top 5 of being mega over in the 80's, i remember thinking at the time that his fued with Bass was very strange and seemed like it came from nowhere as he was involved in high profile stuff just beforehand, i will never forget my reaction in the living room when he slapped the sleeper on Honky!
He was my hero too! Even back when he was with Johnny Valiant, back before The Barber days. I was super PISSED when he was replaced for that Summer Slam!
Wrooooong...Hogan... Andre...macho man....flair...and the 4 horse man we're way more over then him....I like d Brutus but let's be real the only reason he was anything is bc he was bag boy
to be totally honest.. beefcake was over and hot at the time.. and it was more realistic to be fueding with honky, like he said they could have carried that on for awhile .. warrior winning against honky in 10 seconds may have been a huge pop from the crowd, but that was end of honky, and there was no aftermath with warrior.. ! that was the issue with warrior he was good for a jolt of energy , but not to carry others and make the most of possibilties
Hogan’s dishonesty rubbed off on his lap dog. Bruce Prichard and Honky Tonk Man both say the plan was always to have Warrior win the title because they were trying to push him so he could face Hogan for the world title.
right? he main-evented Summerslam 89 THE NEXT YEAR with Hogan vs Zeus & Savage. Made it out like that one thing derailed everything. He continued to get undeserved paydays honestly.
@Red Dogg - Rebel4Truth so you questioned my statement only to agree with it? I didn't put a time frame on saying undeserved paydays, but he only main evented summerslam because he's hogan's homie, the beefcake character was nowhere near that level. He was a well known gimmick, but "top guy" is a bit much considering after turning babyface at mania 3 and splitting from the dream team (86-87) he never had a title again. But continued gimmicks with booty man after zodiac after the butcher, if he didn't have the Hogan connection, wouldn't habe happened. After being allowed to pin Mr Perfect, being the 1st to do so, he got another decade of checks, good for him.
@Red Dogg - Rebel4Truth Anybody alive watching wrestling back then (I was 10) knows there were gimmicks far more over, better in ring performers and that Hogan and beefcake had been a tag team in other territories. I've never read a single observer newsletter or listened to their podcast, but I was buying PWI at Mr. Paperback when I was six years old and by Summerslam 89 had already been watching five years and have a great memory. I've also never actually heard anyone say that's why he got the summerslam 89 spot, but it's my opinion and has a 99% probability of being right lol. I also tire of people using "marks" on these type of clips, because I guarantee you've spent money on wrestling and that's all a mark is, I don't take it as a pejorative statement as you people try to use it. Who knows what you originally wrote.
Always wished Brutus would've won the I-C championship, either at WrestleMania IV against Honky Tonk Man, or when he was feuding with Mr. Perfect in 1990. Beefcake was actually slated to win it TWICE. The first being at Summer Slam '88 (originally before they changedit to the Ultimate Warrior), and at Summer Slam '90 when he was scheduled to face Mr. Perfect, but Kerry Von Erich had to fill his spot, after "the Barber's" catastrophic, near death accident.
I was surprised Beefcake did not get the belt at WrestleMania IV. Mr. Perfect was great as IC champion. It was also surprising Kerry Von Erich was awarded the title almost immediately after his debut, which he shouldn't have.
That may be the case. However. Brutus hosted one of the most iconic moments in history with HBK turning heel, he was with Hulk Hogan when Sid turned full heel at SNME in February 1992 and co-main evented WrestleMania IX with Hulk Hogan for the tag team titles. He also was part of the nWo in WCW.
Bullshit. Vince realised the money was with Warrior, Jim didn't have such pull at the time even though he was getting over... They clearly were placing Warrior in a prominent position prior to Summerslam by feuding with Bobby Heenan. Beefcakes timing was sadly unlucky. But Warrior wouldn't have a leg to stand on if he pulled the I quit card for not winning the IC title. Vince was absolutely in love with the Warrior. I'm sure Vince told Beefcake some BS. Warrior winning was the right call as he immediately became the second biggest draw in the company by mid to late 89 the No1 as Hogan was ice cold post Savage Mania match feuding with Zeus. Beefcake is Hogan's lackey so he'll say anything to bad mouth Warrior. Sadly Warriors momentum was in the chase to the top rather than being on top.
Adding to Beefcake's point of "one thing changing the course in life"....He pointed out that IF he had gotten the IC Belt, he would not have been in that place and gotten nearly killed in that parasailing accident....BUT....who's to say IF he had won the IC Belt, and while going around that very Territory defending The Belt, he in fact does end up getting killed from some freak accident? It could be suggested that the "one little thing" of NOT winning the IC Belt really did keep him alive. A lot of "What If's" in this example to be fair....but no more than Beefcake saying the same thing, just in a different set of circumstances. Just a thought. Cheers From Across The Pond In Ohio
Warrior was the natural fit for the IC title at that point, and was at least top 5 in popularity at that point on a drama team roster. They made the right choice.
@@rahowherox1177 Like you said, the fans made the choice. The Ultimate Warrior was tremendously over. Absolutely, he deserved a championship. The Warrior's run speaks for itself.
I just started watching this channel. I like the interviewer. For a while, I watched Hannibal - there was something about him that I did not like. I think it was that he seemed to bury people / try to ruin other's reputations a lot. This interviewer has a great set up, is polite and gives good interviews. He allows the interviewees to talk mostly.
Honky Tonk Man and Brutus have done many interviews, so someone should get those two together for a shoot. Then tell the story. That's what I want to see more of, duo shoots.
perhaps brutus had been told he'd potentially have a IC title run and wasn't made aware that Warrior was getting the job over him util last minute. but HTM states that he knew weeks if not months in advance that he was going to give the belt to Warrior
I’m 48. I was 14 during this time. I liked Brutus seemed to have a good gimmick. I loved the Warrior. The energy, the bizarre the package was amazing at this point. If someone would have asked me who I wanted as champ that’s simple Warrior. I listen to tons of podcasts. Never heard this story. Not calling him a liar but take for what it’s worth.
It appears that he making up a story to make himself look better. How strange in wrestling. Honky tells a different story where warrior was planned to get belt for months and how honky was given the freedom to come up with that awesome short match....and it was an awesome match with warrior and HTM that elevated warrior and did not hurt HTM.
I liked Brutus back in the 80s, and it sucks they gave the belt to warrior instead I love him (although Honkytonk Man tells a different version with a different timeline), but regardless, he was over enough to carry the belt for a while. However, blaming warrior for his accident is pretty lame. Even if he would have got it as originally planned and 88, nothing says that two years later, he still would’ve had or been feuding for the belt or that he wouldn’t have done his fairly regular water sports thing on his day off
Ultimate Warrior was hotter than hell at that point...they had no choice....gave warrior the push...he had the fan following/was over like gangbusters and Vince new without a doubt this was his cash cow for the next several years...imo
McMahan had an uncanny vision for what the fans wanted to see. I dont accept Beefcakes take on this. Basically blaming someone else for his accident and alleged money losses. Warrior drew, Honky drew, Beefcake did not, unless he was paired with Hogan or Piper.
I believe Brutus would have FINALLY won the IC belt at Summerslam 1990 if it weren’t for his accident, but I think the plan for Summerslam 88 was actually how it went down.
warrior winning the IC belt in a squash was epic. its what sold us on him beating hogan. they shoulda kept him destroying giants like goldberg. they ruined warrior and goldberg by making them look human. when it gets stale you give them an injury and take them off tv for a while
It's like Raquel Rodriguez wanted to win the women's title off of Ronda but Charlotte threw a tantrum or Auska wanted to win at WrestleMania 39, but Bianca started screaming about wanting to make history.
Next time you talk to Brutus, ask him this. Why did he take his ball and go home, leaving in the middle of a scheduled tour, screwing over fans and a promoter in Canada for CWE
This guy is waaaaay off borderline delusional on the events. Warrior was scheduled to win the belt ahead and had NO leverage at that time. Plus his pop at his entrance was already insanely over. Get a grip bruti but your memory failed you.
His gimmick made no sense. Started out as a male stripper, then had a barber gimmick grafted onto that. What barbers come out in a Chippendales-style bowtie and tights with cutouts showing black pantyhose or fishnets? Even when I was too little to understand the stripper aspect I was a bit put off and uncomfortable; something didn't come together right. I suspect Vince understood this too, that putting a belt on him would raise his profile too much, raise questions.
I don't think it would have anything to do with Warrior demanding the belt. Warrior was way over, second only to Hogan. You can't give Warrior the world title at the time so you give him the IC belt. Fans wanted a belt around his waist and WWF wanted to sell merchandise.
Ultimate Warrior didn't have to kiss ass to get into organizations that otherwise wouldn't dare use Beefcake if not for Hogan!! Warrior got over on his gimmick and really merit based on reactions he got from fans.
Funny thing is the Barber gimmick was great and it got over because people want to see people lose hair in wrestling, it always gets over. Honestly he had a great gimmick and needed no title
For people who complain about wrestling in 2022 just watch honky and beefcake and see how wrestling had it's garbage time back in the good old days lol
Listening to interviews with Brutus is frustrating. On one hand, a lot of people say that he only had a spot because he was friends with Hogan - that is not true, Brutus was super over with the fans from 1988-1990, like really over. But on the other hand, he constantly just flat out lies in interviews like this when there are very established facts on these point already, which keeps his credibility low with those that try to argue the first point I mentioned.
Cuz the warrior cried an elephant pooped somewhere Beefcake didn't get his run at the Intercontinental Championship but he still had Hogan to come home too
Blatant lies by Brutus. Warrior did not throw a tantrum and threatened to quit if he didn't win the belt at Summerslam 88. For starters, at the time Warrior didn't have that kind of leverage. Also Honkys match wasn't short because he was mad at losing it to Warrior and not to Brutus. It was short to make an impact. Vince made the change because Warrior was getting crazy over and Vince saw star potential in him.
Feel sorry for beefcake, hes totally telling a different story, he thinks if he had a belt that would of made him bigger better, Vince wanted warrior to win the belt he could see that his fan base was growing fast, and honky-tonk man tells a different story than beef cake
I know Ed wasnt a great wirker and many of his gimmicks sucked but it pisses me off when ppl slate him as Brutus and about how he was pushed in the wwf. At the time he was over as fuck and a draw. Aint having it that he was only pushed cos he was Hogans buddy, the guy had heat and kids loved him.
He’s not even close with the history. Honky was injured at the time. He talked about it in the past. That loss didn’t hurt honky because he didn’t know who he was supposed to go against. Built in excuse. Honky wasn’t mad at all. Beefcake is just sour
As much as I hate Warrior I find this story hard to believe why would Honky do a 30 secons sqyash because he was pissed off Brutus wasn't getting the belt?? That's like cutting your nose off to spite your face then he goes on to blame the parasailing accident on Warrior as if he wouldn't have been hanging with Hogan and riding the jetski had he been I-C champion?? That's just plain stupid Hogan was on top of the world why would he be in the same place Brutus claimed he wouldn't be if he was given a run with the secondary title??
Barber clearly inventing fake stories so some smark will throw money at him in a shoot interview. What is this clown who was b tier wrestler all his life and only got booked due to kissing terry’s rear for 20 years . Warrior was nuclear over with fans and was destined for the IC belt, it is infuriating seeing shoot interviews ‘calling out’ Warrior with false statements when the man died 9 years ago and cant defend himself.
He was pretty popular. Him and Tatanka were the two most over guys that didn’t get that IC belt when they should have. I had to laugh when he brought up the butterfly effect and Sliding Doors (both movies about time) and without missing a beat. Brutus said “well it’s kinda like on tv, you know those movies about time where one little thing effects everything?” LMBO uh yeah, like the two movies I just named. The example I just used, yeah it is like that.
@@nbaldwin45 Jake came and went a lot at his height and Bossman was popular…..but in my own personal experience I’ve been at house shows/tv tapings in that era when Tatanka was feuding with Rick Martel and he got a louder reaction than anyone next to Hogan. When his music hit people went wild. I’ve been to a million wrestling events and the only time I’ve seen someone get a bigger reaction was Roman Reigns and the USOs at a house show in Pensacola recently. With that undefeated streak Tatanka had something special.
Anything that Brutus says is BS. He was NEVER in the picture for the IC title by Honky Tonks own admission. Beefcake also lied about fans booing Warrior at WM6.
This story is a nice work of fiction.
HTM stated many times that months out warrior was getting belt and that HTM was given the freedom to come up with the match, which was awesome. Just think, people remember that 20 second or so match from over 3 decades ago. That says a lot.
I was going to say the same exact thing. 👍
Ikr!? barber was never going to win the IC over Warrior and he was always a B tier wrestler plus shoeshiner for terry bollea having lifelong heat with Warrior out of jealousy because he was one of few people terry couldn’t use his politics to bury.
Barber is a pos and suddenly a tough guy after warrior died making paid shoot interviews like this being jealous of Warriors massive success barber invents fictitious stories to scam some smark in a paid shoot interview.
It’s also disgusting when talking about a dead man who cant defend himself against obvious lies.
It's not necessarily fiction. Both parties can be correct. Did it ever occur to you that the office told HTM something different than they told Brutus?
Honky Tonk Man has stated in numerous shoot interviews that Brutus was never scheduled to get the title at SummerSlam. They had decided to go with Warrior several months before the ppv and even had test runs between Warrior and HTM at house shows. Ultimate Warrior had not even been around long enough to be able to politic in 1988. Take anything Brutus says with a grain of salt or less.
Yeah, he acts like Warrior stole his spot when in reality he would of never even had a spot if it wasn't for riding Hogan's coattails... Then blaming Warrior for his accident... Delusional jealous mark for himself
Yeah it seems like the people that are still around from that time exaggerate and lie about stories from that time. Notice it's always a story that involves people that are no longer around also, so that they can't defend themselves or call them out for their bullshit stories.
Yes. You're absolutely right Harker. I pulled up a shoot interview video that Honky did about 7 years ago with Hannibal. And Honky said it was planned like 6 months or longer in advance that he would be dropping the IC title to the Warrior. I personallly like Brutus, but I just can't believe a lot of what he says most of the time. Same thing with his buddy Hulk. Hogan is not very believable most of the time either with his stories. .
If Brutus' version of events were accurate, it would have prominently featured in that "The Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior" dvd.
Yeah, this is why people do not interview beefcake, the guy is notorious for lying
I don't know how accurate that is because Honky claims that when Vince told him he was going to lose it to Warrior it was because "I'm building him up to face Hogan at WM" so if that's the case then I highly doubt Warrior got the belt based off threatening to quit.
Heck, he wasn't even in a power position to try a bold move like that yet like he later would be at Summerslam 91.
HTM was only as passing champ when he 1st got the title as well.. He was supposed to only hold it for a few weeks until it went to (I think it was) Tito but he left the company to be with his wife who just had a baby and Vince wasn't happy at all about it.. So HTM ended up holding it for a record at the time.
It's funny that this joke thinks that no one else has talked about that era and guys like HTM have 1001 shoot interviews talking about things like the IC title.
@@fingersTitan Ricky Steamboat was the one who was IC Champ, then left to be with his wife when their baby was due.
According to HTM, the plan was to give the IC title to Butch Reed, but he no-showed the TV taping, and they needed to get the title off Ricky, so Hogan suggested Vince giving it to him.
As for how long his reign was supposed to be, HTM claims he told Vince, "If I don't draw, take it off me". I think we all know he was supposed to drop the title to Randy Savage at WM4 at one point, but he was in talks to go to WCW and felt having the belt increased his bargaining position, so he refused to drop it. Because of that, they redid the bracketing for the WWF World title tournament and had Savage win that.
Beefcake isn’t being honest. Warrior didn’t have any pull at this point. He was just coming up the card.
Is Beefcake ever honest?
You remember from your days working in wwf in the 80’s, huh……
@@kerryc5821 it appears not.
@@donaldwood7449 exactly
A loved brutes as a kid but this is obvious because, warrior had just started, was aloof and didn't wanna work, he had zero political sway. Beefcake, however, wasHogans best mate
The reason is simple... The Ultimate Warrior was way more over then Beefcake
I was 8 years old when UW beat HTM. I was a big Beefecake fan, but UW was nuclear over that summer.
He was so over, I got 2nd hand ‘Roid Rage from The Anabolic Warrior.
@@georgemaranville3305 I don't get it... Beefcake did steroids... They all did back then so your joke doesn't quite hit the mark
@@ToxicAvengerCleanYourMind George is a potato.
Eh, Beefcake was insanely over with the Barber gimmick
I wouldn't doubt that Vince told Beefcake that he was going to get the belt at Summerslam. He was probably a runner-up if the plan to put the belt on Warrior went south. But that being said HTM has said numerous times that before WM4, he knew they were planning to put the belt on Warrior in the Summer. Nobody has ever accused any wrestling promoter of being the most honest of men.
I don’t know if new fans can possibly realize how over Brutus was at the time of his accident. I read so many comments making Brutus out to be a joke and how he is little more than Hogan’s lackey. Brutus isn’t exaggerating when he talks of the accident and how it changed his career for the worse. Brutus is the perfect example of a guy who was over and then never ever able to get it back.
He’d have had a better chance if he hadn’t been clinging to Hogan for dear life. Fans were pleased when he came back for the Barber Shop - he should’ve gone into singles when he was cleared for in-ring competition instead of tagging with Hogan in the mask. Hogan was just waiting for his chance to steal the belt back, sitting and watching the likes of Warrior and Hart fail to set the world alight. I notice the Hulkster also waited until Savage was all but retired before trying that because he knew the Macho Man was a legit threat
Holy hell there seems to be an argument if Brutus was over or a joke. I was raised during that time and holy crap almost as many people knew Brutus as Hulk hogan. It never even came out until the late 90s how close they were. But Hogan had a whole crew of guys that one where he went. Today Brutus is a little off but back in the day it was crazy how much people like this dude. I always hated him because of his clothes but he was over.
@@SubZero-lh2tj Awesome point. Back then we didn’t know Hogan and Beefcake were best friends but so many people make comments saying that was the only reason Brutus made it. Beefcake got over on his own, and man was he over.
@@SubZero-lh2tj yeh he was over. I grew up watching that era. He was way more over than Honkey for example.
@@qmkb4917 the Beefcake hate is one of the best examples of smarks having to dump on everything. The average wrestling fans loved him. Looking back was he some technical master of wrestling, no. It was all about charisma and the rivalries of different colorful personalities.
In 88 Bruti was my favorite. I always wanted him to win that IC title...
Easy to blame Warrior, being that he's dead. He'd have quite a different story, closer to HTM story.
i remember thinking brutus was def the next IC champion and even thought he could win the Heavyweight for a min... if warrior would have never came brutus and jake roberts woulda had a belt of some sort!
I ‘ve heard Honky tell a completely different story regarding this situation AND there was no mention of Beefcake whatsoever.
Wouldn't be surprised if Beefcake was lied to by Vince so maybe he isn't lying.
Beefcake was my hero growing up, and was in the top 5 of being mega over in the 80's, i remember thinking at the time that his fued with Bass was very strange and seemed like it came from nowhere as he was involved in high profile stuff just beforehand, i will never forget my reaction in the living room when he slapped the sleeper on Honky!
He was my hero too! Even back when he was with Johnny Valiant, back before The Barber days. I was super PISSED when he was replaced for that Summer Slam!
Wrooooong...Hogan... Andre...macho man....flair...and the 4 horse man we're way more over then him....I like d Brutus but let's be real the only reason he was anything is bc he was bag boy
to be totally honest.. beefcake was over and hot at the time.. and it was more realistic to be fueding with honky, like he said they could have carried that on for awhile .. warrior winning against honky in 10 seconds may have been a huge pop from the crowd, but that was end of honky, and there was no aftermath with warrior.. ! that was the issue with warrior he was good for a jolt of energy , but not to carry others and make the most of possibilties
Didn't Honky Tonk have run with The Hammer as half of Rhythm and Blues?
@@richardthompson6366 yeah that was a silly idea too... made no sense
With regard to beefcake getting the IC belt. That’s what he thought he heard. 😅
Hogan’s dishonesty rubbed off on his lap dog. Bruce Prichard and Honky Tonk Man both say the plan was always to have Warrior win the title because they were trying to push him so he could face Hogan for the world title.
Is it believable that Vince had Warrior picked to face Hogan as early as 88?
Brutus is totally and completely unbelievable
right? he main-evented Summerslam 89 THE NEXT YEAR with Hogan vs Zeus & Savage. Made it out like that one thing derailed everything. He continued to get undeserved paydays honestly.
@Red Dogg - Rebel4Truth so you questioned my statement only to agree with it? I didn't put a time frame on saying undeserved paydays, but he only main evented summerslam because he's hogan's homie, the beefcake character was nowhere near that level. He was a well known gimmick, but "top guy" is a bit much considering after turning babyface at mania 3 and splitting from the dream team (86-87) he never had a title again. But continued gimmicks with booty man after zodiac after the butcher, if he didn't have the Hogan connection, wouldn't habe happened. After being allowed to pin Mr Perfect, being the 1st to do so, he got another decade of checks, good for him.
But Hogan backs him up. 😂
@@mrmojomajestic8317 of course Hogan would back him up, they've been friends for decades
@Red Dogg - Rebel4Truth Anybody alive watching wrestling back then (I was 10) knows there were gimmicks far more over, better in ring performers and that Hogan and beefcake had been a tag team in other territories. I've never read a single observer newsletter or listened to their podcast, but I was buying PWI at Mr. Paperback when I was six years old and by Summerslam 89 had already been watching five years and have a great memory. I've also never actually heard anyone say that's why he got the summerslam 89 spot, but it's my opinion and has a 99% probability of being right lol. I also tire of people using "marks" on these type of clips, because I guarantee you've spent money on wrestling and that's all a mark is, I don't take it as a pejorative statement as you people try to use it. Who knows what you originally wrote.
Always wished Brutus would've won the I-C championship, either at WrestleMania IV against Honky Tonk Man, or when he was feuding with Mr. Perfect in 1990.
Beefcake was actually slated to win it TWICE.
The first being at Summer Slam '88 (originally before they changedit to the Ultimate Warrior), and at Summer Slam '90 when he was scheduled to face Mr. Perfect, but Kerry Von Erich had to fill his spot, after "the Barber's" catastrophic, near death accident.
I was surprised Beefcake did not get the belt at WrestleMania IV. Mr. Perfect was great as IC champion. It was also surprising Kerry Von Erich was awarded the title almost immediately after his debut, which he shouldn't have.
HTM has said he was told before WM4 that Warrior was getting the belt in the summer….
That may be the case.
However.
Brutus hosted one of the most iconic moments in history with HBK turning heel, he was with Hulk Hogan when Sid turned full heel at SNME in February 1992 and co-main evented WrestleMania IX with Hulk Hogan for the tag team titles. He also was part of the nWo in WCW.
Bullshit. Vince realised the money was with Warrior, Jim didn't have such pull at the time even though he was getting over... They clearly were placing Warrior in a prominent position prior to Summerslam by feuding with Bobby Heenan. Beefcakes timing was sadly unlucky. But Warrior wouldn't have a leg to stand on if he pulled the I quit card for not winning the IC title. Vince was absolutely in love with the Warrior. I'm sure Vince told Beefcake some BS. Warrior winning was the right call as he immediately became the second biggest draw in the company by mid to late 89 the No1 as Hogan was ice cold post Savage Mania match feuding with Zeus. Beefcake is Hogan's lackey so he'll say anything to bad mouth Warrior. Sadly Warriors momentum was in the chase to the top rather than being on top.
Sucks but another case of things happen for a reason. That was one of the best moments of that era in WWF, imo.
I usually like James interviews and no blame on him for how full of it Brutus was here
Brutus was fun, but Warrior was beginning to catch fire at this point. That Summerslam match was the perfect spark.
Adding to Beefcake's point of "one thing changing the course in life"....He pointed out that IF he had gotten the IC Belt, he would not have been in that place and gotten nearly killed in that parasailing accident....BUT....who's to say IF he had won the IC Belt, and while going around that very Territory defending The Belt, he in fact does end up getting killed from some freak accident? It could be suggested that the "one little thing" of NOT winning the IC Belt really did keep him alive. A lot of "What If's" in this example to be fair....but no more than Beefcake saying the same thing, just in a different set of circumstances. Just a thought. Cheers From Across The Pond In Ohio
I always wonder why they didn’t give him the I C title he had the look and charisma and his action figure was sick
There were 200 others better than him that could actually work.. Big Boss Man and Jake are just two straight out off the bat..
@@fingersTitan 200? No way those 2 maybe definitely Jake deserved it.
@@StreetSmartz Jake's drug and alcohol problems made him too unreliable to give him a title.
Beefcake is lying his ass off
I’ve heard they went with Warrior because Brutus had not gotten over with the fans like Vince had hoped.
The beefcake/bass angle was filmed multiple weeks prior to SummerSlam 1988. Sorry Brutus.
Ed Was talking about the butterfly effect when it comes to time
Warrior was the natural fit for the IC title at that point, and was at least top 5 in popularity at that point on a drama team roster. They made the right choice.
Lol. Warrior was never a natural fit for any title. Coz he a 1 trick pony and therefor was exposed when he did... he was the fans choice no doubt.
@@rahowherox1177 Like you said, the fans made the choice. The Ultimate Warrior was tremendously over. Absolutely, he deserved a championship. The Warrior's run speaks for itself.
I just started watching this channel. I like the interviewer. For a while, I watched Hannibal - there was something about him that I did not like. I think it was that he seemed to bury people / try to ruin other's reputations a lot. This interviewer has a great set up, is polite and gives good interviews. He allows the interviewees to talk mostly.
I'm surprised Brutus, did this interview as he usually takes the money and runs.
takes money, makes up fake stories about how Warrior is bad, repeat..brutus is a joke
Honky Tonk Man and Brutus have done many interviews, so someone should get those two together for a shoot. Then tell the story. That's what I want to see more of, duo shoots.
I remember Heenan putting a magnet 🧲 on Beefcake's face on PrimeTime Wrestling. I was SO MAD!
Brutus Beefcake was one of the Biggest stars in wrestling in the late 80’s
perhaps brutus had been told he'd potentially have a IC title run and wasn't made aware that Warrior was getting the job over him util last minute. but HTM states that he knew weeks if not months in advance that he was going to give the belt to Warrior
I’m 48. I was 14 during this time. I liked Brutus seemed to have a good gimmick. I loved the Warrior. The energy, the bizarre the package was amazing at this point. If someone would have asked me who I wanted as champ that’s simple Warrior. I listen to tons of podcasts. Never heard this story. Not calling him a liar but take for what it’s worth.
It appears that he making up a story to make himself look better. How strange in wrestling. Honky tells a different story where warrior was planned to get belt for months and how honky was given the freedom to come up with that awesome short match....and it was an awesome match with warrior and HTM that elevated warrior and did not hurt HTM.
I liked Brutus back in the 80s, and it sucks they gave the belt to warrior instead I love him (although Honkytonk Man tells a different version with a different timeline), but regardless, he was over enough to carry the belt for a while. However, blaming warrior for his accident is pretty lame. Even if he would have got it as originally planned and 88, nothing says that two years later, he still would’ve had or been feuding for the belt or that he wouldn’t have done his fairly regular water sports thing on his day off
I like you Brutus but as far as money goes you couldn't draw like the Warrior not even close
Because he was more over than you, Brutus.
Ultimate Warrior was hotter than hell at that point...they had no choice....gave warrior the push...he had the fan following/was over like gangbusters and Vince new without a doubt this was his cash cow for the next several years...imo
McMahan had an uncanny vision for what the fans wanted to see. I dont accept Beefcakes take on this. Basically blaming someone else for his accident and alleged money losses. Warrior drew, Honky drew, Beefcake did not, unless he was paired with Hogan or Piper.
Then absolutely about Vince's vision. Post attitude era it started slipping progressively to retirement.
The reason: 3 words.... ultimate F'N warrior
Brutus would be a great fictional story writer. He writes a lot of good ones in these interviews...
I believe Brutus would have FINALLY won the IC belt at Summerslam 1990 if it weren’t for his accident, but I think the plan for Summerslam 88 was actually how it went down.
The Ultimate Warrior was so over that he replaced Brutus Beefcake at WWF SummerSlam 1988. It's that simple!
Was at that Summer slam in 88.
warrior winning the IC belt in a squash was epic. its what sold us on him beating hogan. they shoulda kept him destroying giants like goldberg. they ruined warrior and goldberg by making them look human. when it gets stale you give them an injury and take them off tv for a while
In the 80s I was watching Crockett's Mid Atlantic Championship Wrestling and didn't know, or care what Vince's cartoon stooges were doing.
One guy was an Ultimate Warrior and one was a Barber. I loved Brutus as a kid. One of my favorite and deserved the IC belt. But Warrior....come on.
To me I see Beef cake as a former intercontinental champion. 💯
People judge, but Beefcake was over back then.
Exactly 💯 only casual fans haven't got a clue
It's like Raquel Rodriguez wanted to win the women's title off of Ronda but Charlotte threw a tantrum or Auska wanted to win at WrestleMania 39, but Bianca started screaming about wanting to make history.
Next time you talk to Brutus, ask him this. Why did he take his ball and go home, leaving in the middle of a scheduled tour, screwing over fans and a promoter in Canada for CWE
This guy is waaaaay off borderline delusional on the events. Warrior was scheduled to win the belt ahead and had NO leverage at that time. Plus his pop at his entrance was already insanely over. Get a grip bruti but your memory failed you.
That title was a big deal back then. The business wasn’t watered down with titles. The IC title was a direct indication of a world title shot
watching back to the late 80's he was over as any babyface can possibly get but sadly it only took one guys politics to push him to the side.
Who’s politics? You don’t honestly believe the Warrior story
Bro, warrior just got there, he wasn't politicking at that point. There's a reason Brutus is the ONLY person who tells the story this way.
Is the answer because Warrior was leaps and bounds more over than Beefcake?
Brutus, just stop LYING!, it's just not true.
James, you have to get honky on!!!
Brutus is probably be honest in his recollection, but warrior winning the IC belt has nothing to do w his accident nearly 2 years later
His gimmick made no sense. Started out as a male stripper, then had a barber gimmick grafted onto that. What barbers come out in a Chippendales-style bowtie and tights with cutouts showing black pantyhose or fishnets? Even when I was too little to understand the stripper aspect I was a bit put off and uncomfortable; something didn't come together right. I suspect Vince understood this too, that putting a belt on him would raise his profile too much, raise questions.
ASK BEEFCAKE ABOUT "THE MARINER" GIMMICK THAT LASTED 1 TV.
Good one 👍
I don't think it would have anything to do with Warrior demanding the belt. Warrior was way over, second only to Hogan. You can't give Warrior the world title at the time so you give him the IC belt. Fans wanted a belt around his waist and WWF wanted to sell merchandise.
Warrior got the belt over Beefcake because he Was about 50 times more popular...!
Great story, I never knew the reason.
My two biggest disappointments in wrestling were brutus not winning at wm 4 (and ulimately NEVER getting the belt) and roddy losing at wm8 lol
Ultimate Warrior didn't have to kiss ass to get into organizations that otherwise wouldn't dare use Beefcake if not for Hogan!!
Warrior got over on his gimmick and really merit based on reactions he got from fans.
Warrior was too over & Vince had to see him with IC belt before giving him the Heavyweight Championship
Funny thing is the Barber gimmick was great and it got over because people want to see people lose hair in wrestling, it always gets over. Honestly he had a great gimmick and needed no title
I was there @ SS '88!
The place exploded when Warrior ran out and demolished HTM!
Beefcake is like Hogan - take EVERYTHING he says with a grain of salt.
For people who complain about wrestling in 2022 just watch honky and beefcake and see how wrestling had it's garbage time back in the good old days lol
Listening to interviews with Brutus is frustrating. On one hand, a lot of people say that he only had a spot because he was friends with Hogan - that is not true, Brutus was super over with the fans from 1988-1990, like really over. But on the other hand, he constantly just flat out lies in interviews like this when there are very established facts on these point already, which keeps his credibility low with those that try to argue the first point I mentioned.
Cuz the warrior cried an elephant pooped somewhere Beefcake didn't get his run at the Intercontinental Championship but he still had Hogan to come home too
When i saw the warrior 1st i thought there was nothing like him
Warrior was over and big star, beefcake was Hogan's friend
I-think-Beefcake-might-be-confused....I-think-he-was-supposed-to-beat-Mr-Perfect-at-the-Summerslam-90-but-due-to-his-accident-they-gave-the-strap-to-Texas-Tornado
Bruti you have to accept it.
Love ya Beefcake!
Looking less like beef, more like cake. But still a good story-teller.
Warrior drew millions and millions of dimes 💰💰
Blatant lies by Brutus. Warrior did not throw a tantrum and threatened to quit if he didn't win the belt at Summerslam 88. For starters, at the time Warrior didn't have that kind of leverage. Also Honkys match wasn't short because he was mad at losing it to Warrior and not to Brutus. It was short to make an impact. Vince made the change because Warrior was getting crazy over and Vince saw star potential in him.
Feel sorry for beefcake, hes totally telling a different story, he thinks if he had a belt that would of made him bigger better, Vince wanted warrior to win the belt he could see that his fan base was growing fast, and honky-tonk man tells a different story than beef cake
So wait, Warrior was only there for a few months and was already threatening to leave???....
Beefcake is lying through his teeth. Wow...
I know Ed wasnt a great wirker and many of his gimmicks sucked but it pisses me off when ppl slate him as Brutus and about how he was pushed in the wwf. At the time he was over as fuck and a draw. Aint having it that he was only pushed cos he was Hogans buddy, the guy had heat and kids loved him.
Would it be replayed if Beefcake won at Summerslam?
Nah. It's better this way.
Brutus would have eventually held that title if he didn't get in that boating accident
He’s not even close with the history. Honky was injured at the time. He talked about it in the past. That loss didn’t hurt honky because he didn’t know who he was supposed to go against. Built in excuse. Honky wasn’t mad at all. Beefcake is just sour
I've never heard this from honky at all... Wth is he talking about
He didn't win because hulk hogan couldn't convince Vince to give it to him
I'm sure I seen Honky say that he was more than happy to put the Warrior over for Vince
a lesson: don't let people walk all over you.
Can someone tell you how crappy u were in ring and the mic
As much as I hate Warrior I find this story hard to believe why would Honky do a 30 secons sqyash because he was pissed off Brutus wasn't getting the belt?? That's like cutting your nose off to spite your face then he goes on to blame the parasailing accident on Warrior as if he wouldn't have been hanging with Hogan and riding the jetski had he been I-C champion?? That's just plain stupid Hogan was on top of the world why would he be in the same place Brutus claimed he wouldn't be if he was given a run with the secondary title??
Beefcake has CaveMan Brain.
Barber clearly inventing fake stories so some smark will throw money at him in a shoot interview.
What is this clown who was b tier wrestler all his life and only got booked due to kissing terry’s rear for 20 years . Warrior was nuclear over with fans and was destined for the IC belt, it is infuriating seeing shoot interviews ‘calling out’ Warrior with false statements when the man died 9 years ago and cant defend himself.
He was pretty popular. Him and Tatanka were the two most over guys that didn’t get that IC belt when they should have. I had to laugh when he brought up the butterfly effect and Sliding Doors (both movies about time) and without missing a beat. Brutus said “well it’s kinda like on tv, you know those movies about time where one little thing effects everything?” LMBO uh yeah, like the two movies I just named. The example I just used, yeah it is like that.
Jake and Boss Man were more over than Brutus and Tatanka
@@nbaldwin45 Jake came and went a lot at his height and Bossman was popular…..but in my own personal experience I’ve been at house shows/tv tapings in that era when Tatanka was feuding with Rick Martel and he got a louder reaction than anyone next to Hogan. When his music hit people went wild. I’ve been to a million wrestling events and the only time I’ve seen someone get a bigger reaction was Roman Reigns and the USOs at a house show in Pensacola recently. With that undefeated streak Tatanka had something special.
@@tobysgamingworld1550 agreed. I’ve no idea why they didn’t pull the trigger on him
Anything that Brutus says is BS. He was NEVER in the picture for the IC title by Honky Tonks own admission. Beefcake also lied about fans booing Warrior at WM6.