If I had the money I would definitely back this project. The versatility and functionality is incredible. I have to switch between multiple language when I work so this is super convenient.
I'm glad someone I'm subbed to is going to get it. I wanted to buy one, but they're going the Kickstarter route. I don't know these guys, and I couldn't really find anything on them. $300 is a lot of money with the risk of not getting a refund.
Well I was interested in going with the Centerpiece before I saw this keyboard now I kinda want this one way more. Kinda thinking about backing it. Your video has pushed me closer to doing so.
@@jaxonmullins9138 I ended up backing it but I'm also going to buy the centerpiece as well I'll just put whatever one I like on my main PC and put the other on my secondary.
This concept isn't new. There was the Optimus Maximus Keyboard (2007) and its derivative Optimus Popularis (2014). Maximus had each Key as an LED and Popularis has a similar technology where the whole screen behind the Keyboard is an LED.
If it eventually supports Blender natively, I might have to buy one. Though I worry those clear caps will yellow over time. Among other things. Would be cool to have my sensor panel right in my keyboard, too.
What I'd love to have this for is for my MiSTer FPGA machine and reproducing representations of the keyboards of the computer that the machine is currently emulating.
I mistype a lot and I have to look at the keyboard as I type. A long, single line display just above the keys that shows what I type would be a godsend.
The thing that would kill this for me right away is the sound and feel. If it sounds like poor I don't see myself shelling out $400 USD for it despite how "cool" it may be.
Wouldn't back such a project unless someone had it in hand to test. It's all a very nice idea, but the keys they are using are yet to be proven. The software will also be the major thing holding the entire project back. Everytime someone has come up with a cool project with a custom display, it's nothing more than a concept, because no one has put in the work to hook into other APIs, or do anything functionally on your PC. Considering the profile of this, you can bet the entire keyboard is going to run off software that has to always be running in the backgruond to function, other than maybe some sort of default the keyboard can execute when there is no software active.
I'm not sure, the centerpiece seems more legit for the keys, but i just got an azeron controller, so a casually elegant design just became useful again, I'm just not sure which is worth that price.
As cool as this is, I'm not sold on it due to it having hall effect switches as an analog method, considering these components develop inaccuracy after a period of use time (as long as they're powered, they're in use) and the inaccuracy becomes a runaway issue after that. I dislike the company so far. They have a video (clearly a marketing stunt), on their own channel, showcasing the device in Adelaide, in Australia, and claimed the price would be $350. This is incorrect even by their own KickStarter, where the claimed MSRP is going to be $450 USD; and I call it a clear marketing stunt considering they couldn't even get the local currency correct, but instead stated the incorrect pricing for the currency that would hit a wider audience, even when the company themselves are Australian. Absolutely terrible behavior for an upcoming company to display, though I'm not all that surprised considering it's a crowdfunded startup. I also wouldn't be surprised if this sees the typical kickscammer issues of endless delays because of 'manufacturing and partner issues' and the actual retail unit being 1.5x to 2x the cost, based on how the company is already presenting themselves. Oh and let's look at the company itself, shall we? Looks like Flux _Group_ has existed since 2021, but Flux _Technologies_ that was founded in 2019, which has the daughter companies of Flux _Media_ and Flux _Finance,_ which is a financial guru service (remember that Coffeezilla bused these kinds of gurus before busting crypto bros), where Flux Tech is estimated at making over $5m in revenue in the last fiscal year (not sure if localized to AUD), and they have some app on at least the Android app store that's probably part of their financial guru bullshit. And yes, both are related, both have Joffe heading them. Oh, and to validate the financial guru claim, Google's sub-hit (secondary link for a site within a site on a main hit) for the Flux Finance link literally says, "Win at money," and within the homepage for the Finance site they literally refer to themselves as the 'Flux fam' within the bullshit flavor text, along with some meme gifs, bright colors and popping animations, a podcast, etc. Maybe I should throw this company Coffeezilla's way just to see what the hell comes out of it, because my gut is telling me it's nothing but scum, especially with how the company is structured. Plus there's also the fact that Flux _Group_ is supposedly a team of, from their own KS page, "A growing team whose capabilities include industrial design, mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, UI/UX design and software development," yet they have nothing to show for it under the _Group_ company besides this product, and they try to hide any link to the _Technology_ company that seems to be the umbrella for at least everything else, yet all they have to show for their claim is a finance guru site that has an app. So tell me why an estimated >$5m in revenue company, that's seemingly a predatory financial guru at its core, needs to launch a KickStarter for this, while also blatantly lying about the price within its own media, while also using the incorrect currency in that statement when they were in Australia, talking to Australians, when they themselves are also Australian, operating out of Australia. Shit doesn't add up, and I have no faith that this product won't become vaporware, because the company and the people running it are clearly untrustworthy. Do you trust your gut in putting any faith into this company? Profiling a company can reveal quite a bit, especially when you dig deeper than just the surface level. Company issues aside, there's still the glaring issue that this product is on a timer, hall sensors have roughly 1000 hours of on-time before age-related voltage drift (i.e. the inaccuracy) shows itself and starts becoming a runaway issue.
To simplify how the keys work, there are magnets in the keys and the board detects how far apart magnets are. The keys don't actually touch the screen so I guess you can think of the keys as a screen protector.
Yes, the extra features are definitely the main selling point. The "keyboard" part is kind of secondary. For me personally, if everything they promised works as advertised it'll be worth it. But I can understand that it's not for everyone.
Most people don't own a custom mechanical keyboard and doesn't care much about typing feel but more about productivity. This thing is aimed toward them, not custom keyboard specialists. The ability to assign macros to each key and display shortcuts itself is a win. You can buy custom keycaps which has shortcuts printed on them. But it then it would be locked to a specific program. Typing feel is unknown but I feel most people would overlook that and focus more on the features and functionality. I personally don't think this is not a flashy product and is much more practical than many 400$+ custom keyboards out there. But it all depends on use cases and your profession. Also don't call people normies lmao, that just make you sound pretentious.
this one looks better , but i really have doubts about hows its going to feel when typing. the centerpiece has actual mechanical switches. its going to feel way more like a keyboard
This is a very real concern. Flux did post force graphs on their website, but that doesn't tell the entire story of how it will feel. For one, I enjoy a distinct and solid bottom out. There's no way of knowing if I'll like the feel of the Flux without actually using it.
I mean they have Hall effect switches, which are actual mechanical key switches as well. They’re a new version of a concept for a keyboard that has existed since before Cherry even released keyswitches on keyboards. They’re very reliable, and I think they will feel nice to type on.
@@serbadork they are not mechanical switches, they’re absent of everything that makes a mechanical switch, mechanical. No stem, spring and least of all the triggering mechanism.
@@noahs7094 there isn't actually a good definition for what makes a mechanical switch "mechanical", chyrosran22 made a full video on that topic, and the vast majority of definitions people use exclude very good switches, I mean, if feeling mechanical is enough, Topre's are included, and they're rubber domes(but do have far better keyfeel than any MX type tactile switch I ever used), that's just one example. For this one you used, not all mechanical switches use coiled or metal springs, not all mechanical switches have a stem, and this one has a triggering mechanism, in fact, the most reliable one in existance: Hall Effect, which probably makes it a very smooth switch, something almost no MX Type switch can achieve without lube In conclusion, there's no such thing as a definition for a Mechanical Switch, it's just a way to describe how a switch feels, sounds or looks, but not a defined thing at all
This could be the next big all in one device for keyboards even for casual use, i really like how easy it is to mod and take apart would make cleaning alot easier and the versatility of the features, here's hoping it actually goes places
Why not they release the too row of function without the keyboard. Since keyboard might not fit everyone but the top row function bar would sell easier by cutting down the cost
For anyone worrying about the flux keyboards keys, they can EASILY be 3rd party addons to LITERALLY make it like a regular keyboard pretty easily lol, its literally a swappable keys keyboard
next thing you know, there will be keyboards that have full computers inside of them. Wait, that sounds a bit like a lapt-
The Raspberry Pi Keyboard already exists lol
Apple ii... Commodore 64... I could go on.
@@Lv7Kevin yeah, thats the first thing that came to my mind
@@XanthosAcanthus exactly 😂😂
unfortunately storage drives at the time are what ruined the keyboard-computer
@@trustytrojan great explanation dude!
If I had the money I would definitely back this project. The versatility and functionality is incredible. I have to switch between multiple language when I work so this is super convenient.
im def gonna buy it when it fully comes out and has more reviews, partly to make sure its worth it and also partly because im broke rn lol
It's a perfectly good idea to wait 👍 I'll make a review when I get mine
I'm glad someone I'm subbed to is going to get it. I wanted to buy one, but they're going the Kickstarter route. I don't know these guys, and I couldn't really find anything on them. $300 is a lot of money with the risk of not getting a refund.
I'll do my best to review it when I get mine!
Mom: hey son what are you doing?
Son: watching the keyboard
Well I was interested in going with the Centerpiece before I saw this keyboard now I kinda want this one way more. Kinda thinking about backing it. Your video has pushed me closer to doing so.
Don’t it most likely is not gonna release…. Centerpiece is coming out soon anyway
@@jaxonmullins9138 I ended up backing it but I'm also going to buy the centerpiece as well I'll just put whatever one I like on my main PC and put the other on my secondary.
Can stop looking at it reminds of rgb trend but way more interactive and jaw dropping
This concept isn't new. There was the Optimus Maximus Keyboard (2007) and its derivative Optimus Popularis (2014). Maximus had each Key as an LED and Popularis has a similar technology where the whole screen behind the Keyboard is an LED.
If it eventually supports Blender natively, I might have to buy one. Though I worry those clear caps will yellow over time. Among other things.
Would be cool to have my sensor panel right in my keyboard, too.
I hope they manufacture the keycaps using tempered glass to ensure scratch resistance and prevent yellowing.
even if it flops - I'm backing this, we need some interesting inventions inside the keyboard world
What I'd love to have this for is for my MiSTer FPGA machine and reproducing representations of the keyboards of the computer that the machine is currently emulating.
I mistype a lot and I have to look at the keyboard as I type. A long, single line display just above the keys that shows what I type would be a godsend.
I like this one more then final mouse do to more tools and ideas to it
The thing that would kill this for me right away is the sound and feel. If it sounds like poor I don't see myself shelling out $400 USD for it despite how "cool" it may be.
Without a switch i doubt it ll sound like the centerpiece but i dont think it'll sound as bad as a premade keyboard.
You can see videos on their channel with audio think it sounds pretty nice
Wouldn't back such a project unless someone had it in hand to test. It's all a very nice idea, but the keys they are using are yet to be proven. The software will also be the major thing holding the entire project back. Everytime someone has come up with a cool project with a custom display, it's nothing more than a concept, because no one has put in the work to hook into other APIs, or do anything functionally on your PC. Considering the profile of this, you can bet the entire keyboard is going to run off software that has to always be running in the backgruond to function, other than maybe some sort of default the keyboard can execute when there is no software active.
Literally almost backed it, not liking the maglev though… the sound test was pretty rough.
Yeah, this keyboard is more about making full use of the screen so there will have to be sacrifices.
Take my money now!!!! I want this!
I'm not sure, the centerpiece seems more legit for the keys, but i just got an azeron controller, so a casually elegant design just became useful again, I'm just not sure which is worth that price.
I wish there was an attachment option for a numpad.
This thing is going to kill it, but I just curious about how the mag lev keys will feel
clearly seems better than the Centrepiece.
Literally the only thing I don't like about it (on paper) are the flat key caps.
As cool as this is, I'm not sold on it due to it having hall effect switches as an analog method, considering these components develop inaccuracy after a period of use time (as long as they're powered, they're in use) and the inaccuracy becomes a runaway issue after that.
I dislike the company so far. They have a video (clearly a marketing stunt), on their own channel, showcasing the device in Adelaide, in Australia, and claimed the price would be $350. This is incorrect even by their own KickStarter, where the claimed MSRP is going to be $450 USD; and I call it a clear marketing stunt considering they couldn't even get the local currency correct, but instead stated the incorrect pricing for the currency that would hit a wider audience, even when the company themselves are Australian. Absolutely terrible behavior for an upcoming company to display, though I'm not all that surprised considering it's a crowdfunded startup. I also wouldn't be surprised if this sees the typical kickscammer issues of endless delays because of 'manufacturing and partner issues' and the actual retail unit being 1.5x to 2x the cost, based on how the company is already presenting themselves.
Oh and let's look at the company itself, shall we? Looks like Flux _Group_ has existed since 2021, but Flux _Technologies_ that was founded in 2019, which has the daughter companies of Flux _Media_ and Flux _Finance,_ which is a financial guru service (remember that Coffeezilla bused these kinds of gurus before busting crypto bros), where Flux Tech is estimated at making over $5m in revenue in the last fiscal year (not sure if localized to AUD), and they have some app on at least the Android app store that's probably part of their financial guru bullshit. And yes, both are related, both have Joffe heading them. Oh, and to validate the financial guru claim, Google's sub-hit (secondary link for a site within a site on a main hit) for the Flux Finance link literally says, "Win at money," and within the homepage for the Finance site they literally refer to themselves as the 'Flux fam' within the bullshit flavor text, along with some meme gifs, bright colors and popping animations, a podcast, etc. Maybe I should throw this company Coffeezilla's way just to see what the hell comes out of it, because my gut is telling me it's nothing but scum, especially with how the company is structured. Plus there's also the fact that Flux _Group_ is supposedly a team of, from their own KS page, "A growing team whose capabilities include industrial design, mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, UI/UX design and software development," yet they have nothing to show for it under the _Group_ company besides this product, and they try to hide any link to the _Technology_ company that seems to be the umbrella for at least everything else, yet all they have to show for their claim is a finance guru site that has an app.
So tell me why an estimated >$5m in revenue company, that's seemingly a predatory financial guru at its core, needs to launch a KickStarter for this, while also blatantly lying about the price within its own media, while also using the incorrect currency in that statement when they were in Australia, talking to Australians, when they themselves are also Australian, operating out of Australia. Shit doesn't add up, and I have no faith that this product won't become vaporware, because the company and the people running it are clearly untrustworthy. Do you trust your gut in putting any faith into this company? Profiling a company can reveal quite a bit, especially when you dig deeper than just the surface level. Company issues aside, there's still the glaring issue that this product is on a timer, hall sensors have roughly 1000 hours of on-time before age-related voltage drift (i.e. the inaccuracy) shows itself and starts becoming a runaway issue.
I don't trust it. how will the board know when a key is pressed? and how durable is the screen?
To simplify how the keys work, there are magnets in the keys and the board detects how far apart magnets are. The keys don't actually touch the screen so I guess you can think of the keys as a screen protector.
There are magnetic sensors underneath the keys which allows it to detect key travel. Similar tech to the apex pro I would assume.
Mate, they have a irl reaction of people trying the keyboard on their youtube channel
@@keonxd8918how do u know theyr real ppl and not actors
Imagine in the future becomes this the normality
Dude! Are the keys you are typing really lighting up on that pad thing or is that shopped in!?
I really dislike the fact that you keep showing typing on a keyboard. That is not the keyboard you're talking about.
el teclado estará disponible únicamente en formato tkl o también habrá formato completo ?
poɾ el futuɾo pɾevisible, paɾeθe ke no
ok that's cool and all but what ur keyboard tho???
What’s that mouse pad at 0:50?
pretty sure this thing is never coming out lol
How much is it?
$585 without any of the addons
i think this is just a flashy keyboard for normies with money, it would never be as good as a custom keyboard
Yes, the extra features are definitely the main selling point. The "keyboard" part is kind of secondary. For me personally, if everything they promised works as advertised it'll be worth it. But I can understand that it's not for everyone.
Most people don't own a custom mechanical keyboard and doesn't care much about typing feel but more about productivity. This thing is aimed toward them, not custom keyboard specialists. The ability to assign macros to each key and display shortcuts itself is a win. You can buy custom keycaps which has shortcuts printed on them. But it then it would be locked to a specific program.
Typing feel is unknown but I feel most people would overlook that and focus more on the features and functionality. I personally don't think this is not a flashy product and is much more practical than many 400$+ custom keyboards out there. But it all depends on use cases and your profession.
Also don't call people normies lmao, that just make you sound pretentious.
i think you should buy both for comparison
Not worth it based on what I found when sniffing around. Looking forward to your review video when this thing ships. ;)
Fair enough!
this one looks better , but i really have doubts about hows its going to feel when typing. the centerpiece has actual mechanical switches. its going to feel way more like a keyboard
This is a very real concern. Flux did post force graphs on their website, but that doesn't tell the entire story of how it will feel. For one, I enjoy a distinct and solid bottom out. There's no way of knowing if I'll like the feel of the Flux without actually using it.
I mean they have Hall effect switches, which are actual mechanical key switches as well. They’re a new version of a concept for a keyboard that has existed since before Cherry even released keyswitches on keyboards. They’re very reliable, and I think they will feel nice to type on.
@@serbadork they are not mechanical switches, they’re absent of everything that makes a mechanical switch, mechanical. No stem, spring and least of all the triggering mechanism.
I think as long as the keyboard is detachable, upgrade won't be that big of a problem
@@noahs7094 there isn't actually a good definition for what makes a mechanical switch "mechanical", chyrosran22 made a full video on that topic, and the vast majority of definitions people use exclude very good switches, I mean, if feeling mechanical is enough, Topre's are included, and they're rubber domes(but do have far better keyfeel than any MX type tactile switch I ever used), that's just one example.
For this one you used, not all mechanical switches use coiled or metal springs, not all mechanical switches have a stem, and this one has a triggering mechanism, in fact, the most reliable one in existance: Hall Effect, which probably makes it a very smooth switch, something almost no MX Type switch can achieve without lube
In conclusion, there's no such thing as a definition for a Mechanical Switch, it's just a way to describe how a switch feels, sounds or looks, but not a defined thing at all
This could be the next big all in one device for keyboards even for casual use, i really like how easy it is to mod and take apart would make cleaning alot easier and the versatility of the features, here's hoping it actually goes places
I question how durable these will be because if you look closely at 2:06 a lot of the keys aren't lined up right.
Why not they release the too row of function without the keyboard. Since keyboard might not fit everyone but the top row function bar would sell easier by cutting down the cost
This is exactly what I wish apple's touchbar was. Flexible, but still with physical tactility
The add on modules clinch it...if they can be midi mapped.
It would be great if you could use it as a standalone typewriter without the distraction of a full PC.
Has anyone ordered and gotten a Flux Keyboard yet?
For anyone worrying about the flux keyboards keys, they can EASILY be 3rd party addons to LITERALLY make it like a regular keyboard pretty easily lol, its literally a swappable keys keyboard