Thanks for all your videos. I have learned so much about charging and my Model Y in general just from your vidoes. The first time I charged my car I had to ask for help, because I did not know how to unplug it from the car. The guy and his wife was very nice and showed me how to do it.
Hey Dave. Another great video and once again this video proves that getting anything other than a Tesla is crazy due to CCS charging provider inconsistency and Tesla’s simple, elegant charging network.
Thank you for the videos Dave and Kathy. I’ve been following your videos since I’m looking to get my first EV next spring when my Volvo XC60 lease is up.
I am honestly not sure you did not scare a lot people off on this one. For a basics class, it got confusing with tangents based on your advanced knowledge. The “car wakening,” Tesla scheduled charging, adapter focus without J1772 background, and the BMW Chargepoint fleecing would freakout a bunch of novices. And finally, why would you tell people to stay away from free DC fast charging without any context as to why? This is one where it might be more helpful to break this down into smaller bites so you don’t need to jump around with so many nuances.
Dave and Kathy if this is for new folks please touch on costs. .69 per kWh plus the .99 session fee at EVgo is robbery. Same goes for the L2 at that dealer for like two minutes of juice costing almost ten dollars. New folks paying attention will think charging is not affordable just from these two examples. Can you touch on the hidden costs that can be encountered and how to protect yourself from price gouging?
Dave you are awesome! I love watching your videos and I learn so much. I stumbled across you when you did the EV race from ocean to ocean. I subscribed and I enjoy watching your videos!! Your wife is awesome as well, love hearing her input on things. She always provides a different perspective than us guys. Loved the video and love the channel! Thank you!!
If we want to explain it to people thinking about going electric I agree we should be talking miles charging per hour at home. Remember your gas car is just sitting in the garage over night so you might as well get and electric and let it charge while you sleep and SAVE on gas dollars.
Bob, Kathy, Thank you for a great video. We purchased a 2023 Model Y LR a month ago at Mt Kisco, NY. I had a level 2 outlet installed at our home which is great for local travel but I wanted to learn more about charging options as we hope to drive the Model Y to Florida this tear. Your video was very educational. Keep them coming. Tesla makes a great car but there are many nuances about operating this this car that we need to know that are not dealt with in the owners manual.
John, I just travelled on 2022 MYP from DC to Venice FL. It took me 15 hours driving and 2 hours charging. It was not bad at all. I left house at 6 am and arrived to Florida at 11 pm. There are PLENTY of Tesla superchargers on the way. There were no range anxiety at all. For planning I used A Better Route Planner and Tesla app on car.
Anyone but EA. It’s a bad premise it’s a captive company owned by VW that has no incentive to make a profit. It has been continually miss managed since the day it started.
You should discuss the use of a j1772 locking ring for the Tesla adapter. Without one someone can just disconnect the charger if you’re away from the car. I get free charging when I shop at the grocery store and I always use them because I’ve seen somebody walk up and unplug it because they don’t like electric cars.
At the EA in San Antonio, Texas, there are 8 DC chargers, 7 350's and 1CCS + chademo @150KW/H. There is usually only 2 vehicles charging at a time when I go there.
Loved this video, but for a newbie, there’s a lot to understand. Maybe the next course will mention the benefits / disadvantages of a wired level 2 connection. I was surprised to learn many plug in hybrids can’t charge above 16A due to small batteries.
That’s a limit of the charger in the car. PHEV is basically a stopgap for people who thing BEV don’t have enough range. I don’t know about you, but I stop every couple of hours to pee and take a break. If I happen to be charging while I’m doing that. It doesn’t bother me.
@@stevenichols4639 Agree 100%. During multiple Tesla road trips between Boston & S. Florida, I needed to stop every 2-3 hrs for food, restroom, and to stretch. You arrive at destination with much less fatigue and it feels safer.
You can just charge on a regular 120 volt outlet up to 12 amps. You don’t need to install the “dryer plug” as your car will only charge up to 16 amps. The cost to install may not be worth it. II just bought a Tesla model 3 in June and use 120 volt outlet as I drive around 30 miles per day and plug in overnight when needed. Eventually I’ll upgrade to level 2 due to my driving habits
@@OreoSpeedwagon825 Yes, when renting a condo I had to use painful level 1 charging when driving about 50-75 mi/day. Whenever not driving, it was critical to plug-in or at end of week I needed to visit a supercharger. Actually, two companies specialize in level 1 charging for apartments and condos by offering smart plugs that bill the EV driver. Look at OrangeCharger and Plugzio.
The Tesla OEM Level II home charger on a 60 AMP circuit charges at ~47 miles per hour at 48 AMP. I usually charge at 30 AMP because I noticed the unit gets a lot warmer at 48 AMP, but it’s quicker than Nema 14-50 plug charger, or some other Level II’s.
Nema 14/50 is nominally installed on 50amp breaker. So 40 amp max continuous charge. I see no reason for a 1450 charger just get it wired. It cost almost nothing more.
In California we have a Emporia 48 AMP charger and code required a 60 Amp circuit breaker. Early on Ford was going to offer 100 amp charging /110 amp Breaker for the Lightning, but backed off to more practical 90 AMP / 100 AMP breaker. Cancel Reply Cancel Reply
Certainly see how Kyle does. I Looking forward to seeing how you spend an hour to tell us how to charge a car. But first I need to go make more coffee.
Also can you explain about what it does to your Tesla leaving it plugged in for a long period of time . I am a way for months at a time and leave my Tesla plugged in at home. How does this affect my battery?
As long as you’re not charging the car to 100% every night it should have very little effect. In the old ICE car days I used to have a car I didn’t use that I kept on a battery maintainer that’s affectively what you’re doing. Besides which even pretty significant abuse of a battery will result in perhaps a 10% degradation over 10 years. I think this is a much over worried about problem that isn’t really a problem.
At the risk of stating the obvious, I suggest you configure your car’s charge limit to something between 50 and 60%. This lets you keep your vehicle plugged in without worry of battery degradation; it also lets you keep Sentry mode on without the worry of running down your battery. You can always up the charge limit in the app if, say, you’d want a higher state of charge right before arriving home.
Have you ever seen an EV stall designated for handicapped (HP) drivers? I’ve seen several. I will charge there rather than wait for a standard space, but never leave my vehicle. I’m on the lookout for a HP driver in need of a charge. If they show up, I believe proper etiquette is to terminate charge and allow HP vehicle to use stall. However, I’ve seen many EVs wait 30 mins or more for a non-HP stall.
mannn Dave makes me wanting to get a tesla but my house is older, a 1958 year old house so no plugs outside 💔😵💫. And hiring an electric is hard and just can’t be trusted in Texas. 💀 in my opinion. But is it crazy if I got a Tesla and just charged at work and in public chargers. And it’s just a basic wall charger at work. We don’t have a lot of Tesla chargers in Dallas Texas , mostly EVGO. I like Tesla because the charging seems so goodddd, so would I have to get an ev with a “android” non Tesla charger but the KW seems poor and just not worth it. Having an electric car seems good with less parts to maintain, people wanna get EVs but it’s like the chargers is the problem and how to install them. It should be free from the government but it’s isn’t well not in Texas. just tuff
btw im just a 20 year old learning from Kyle and Dave about the future as a consumer. ICE cars are just cheaply built like we just need 4 cylinder, hybrid or electric vehicle . 💀 The best for everyone. Love the content! 💯👏.
If your Chargepoint session ends you will be charged an “idle charge” just for being parked and connected. Those idle charges are very high. So don’t just park at a space and plug in thinking you own that space.
You should be deliberate to call out the fact that the information presented is relevant to US/North America only. Other countries use different connectors from NACS & J1772 (e.g. Type 2/Combo CCS 2) and what you refer to a Level 2 is still considered Level 1.
I don’t agree just because you drive a EQS don’t mean you can charge at home some folks live in apartment and have these cars. Also why not use the free charging rather than running up your electric bill.
I don't believe level 2 AC charging is harder on the battery than level 1 AC charging and level 1 WILL CONSUME MORE ELECTRICITY than level 2. I measured a 12% higher consumption at level 1 compared to level 2 with my Nissan leaf. This because level 1 takes so much longer than level 2 and there are some losses. So, if you care about cost, charge with level 2. If you want battery longevity don't charge higher than 80% unless you plan to drive immediately after charging.
Another way to explain Charge-rate Charge-rate (time to “fill up”): charging at 1% is fantastically fast charging at 99% is ridiculously slow Current/common battery chemistry Charge-rate degreases with how full the battery is
OMG Dave & Kathy!! What the heck are you doing…love you guys…normally- Kathy was the only had the only useful comments on charging etiquette…you on the other hand…somewhere in “ how to charge an electric car”….you got lost and fell into the arcane weeds of BS chargers while actually trying all the BS chargers out there. I’d be totally confused right now regarding charging out in the “real world” if I was in the market for an all electric car! Why not just come up with a theme for this poor excuse of teaching people how to charge. You must be an engineer- married to one…never explain something simply if you can get into the minutiae! Geez…Truth? You driving a TESLA because it’s hands down the BEST electric car for charging- ANYWHERE! You should be comparing the s-t chargers against TESLA chargers in EVERY Case. Sorry for the screed…but you carried the BS to a whole new LEVEL.
Well done, Dave and Kathy! Your training is very clear and the scenarios are well described.
So to summarise:
- charge at home
- use Tesla superchargers and forget the rest
- avoid BMW dealers 😅
I really appreciate the etiquette conversation!
Thanks for all your videos. I have learned so much about charging and my Model Y in general just from your vidoes. The first time I charged my car I had to ask for help, because I did not know how to unplug it from the car. The guy and his wife was very nice and showed me how to do it.
Hey Dave. Another great video and once again this video proves that getting anything other than a Tesla is crazy due to CCS charging provider inconsistency and Tesla’s simple, elegant charging network.
When comes to etiquette we should have learned most of this in kindergarten 😊
Thank you for the videos Dave and Kathy. I’ve been following your videos since I’m looking to get my first EV next spring when my Volvo XC60 lease is up.
EV101 WITH KATHY!! Such a smart strategy for more likes and eyeballs.
I am honestly not sure you did not scare a lot people off on this one. For a basics class, it got confusing with tangents based on your advanced knowledge. The “car wakening,” Tesla scheduled charging, adapter focus without J1772 background, and the BMW Chargepoint fleecing would freakout a bunch of novices. And finally, why would you tell people to stay away from free DC fast charging without any context as to why? This is one where it might be more helpful to break this down into smaller bites so you don’t need to jump around with so many nuances.
Dave's not here.
Dave and Kathy if this is for new folks please touch on costs. .69 per kWh plus the .99 session fee at EVgo is robbery. Same goes for the L2 at that dealer for like two minutes of juice costing almost ten dollars. New folks paying attention will think charging is not affordable just from these two examples. Can you touch on the hidden costs that can be encountered and how to protect yourself from price gouging?
Dave you are awesome! I love watching your videos and I learn so much. I stumbled across you when you did the EV race from ocean to ocean. I subscribed and I enjoy watching your videos!! Your wife is awesome as well, love hearing her input on things. She always provides a different perspective than us guys. Loved the video and love the channel! Thank you!!
If we want to explain it to people thinking about going electric I agree we should be talking miles charging per hour at home.
Remember your gas car is just sitting in the garage over night so you might as well get and electric and let it charge while you sleep and SAVE on gas dollars.
It wait for the gas tax bill to come
Thank you for the video, because now I know and knowing is half the battle.
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Bob, Kathy, Thank you for a great video. We purchased a 2023 Model Y LR a month ago at Mt Kisco, NY. I had a level 2 outlet installed at our home which is great for local travel but I wanted to learn more about charging options as we hope to drive the Model Y to Florida this tear. Your video was very educational. Keep them coming. Tesla makes a great car but there are many nuances about operating this this car that we need to know that are not dealt with in the owners manual.
John, I just travelled on 2022 MYP from DC to Venice FL. It took me 15 hours driving and 2 hours charging. It was not bad at all. I left house at 6 am and arrived to Florida at 11 pm. There are PLENTY of Tesla superchargers on the way. There were no range anxiety at all. For planning I used A Better Route Planner and Tesla app on car.
Who is Bob? Lol
Which of the CCS networks would you recommend?
Anyone but EA. It’s a bad premise it’s a captive company owned by VW that has no incentive to make a profit. It has been continually miss managed since the day it started.
You should discuss the use of a j1772 locking ring for the Tesla adapter. Without one someone can just disconnect the charger if you’re away from the car. I get free charging when I shop at the grocery store and I always use them because I’ve seen somebody walk up and unplug it because they don’t like electric cars.
yea republicans do that. they think electricity is scary.
At the EA in San Antonio, Texas, there are 8 DC chargers, 7 350's and 1CCS + chademo @150KW/H. There is usually only 2 vehicles charging at a time when I go there.
As for location of a "DAVE" charger from EVGO, there is none but there is "DAVID" in Los Angeles at 9039 Beverly Blvd.
That's my neighborhood Kosher Gulch.
"Situational awareness" -- perfect! Imagine how nice the world could be if everyone had it.
Thanks for the info. Can you do one for PHEV owners?
Great video guys!
What was your charge limit at the EVgo?
Great video!
Loved this video, but for a newbie, there’s a lot to understand. Maybe the next course will mention the benefits / disadvantages of a wired level 2 connection. I was surprised to learn many plug in hybrids can’t charge above 16A due to small batteries.
That’s a limit of the charger in the car. PHEV is basically a stopgap for people who thing BEV don’t have enough range. I don’t know about you, but I stop every couple of hours to pee and take a break. If I happen to be charging while I’m doing that. It doesn’t bother me.
@@stevenichols4639 Agree 100%. During multiple Tesla road trips between Boston & S. Florida, I needed to stop every 2-3 hrs for food, restroom, and to stretch. You arrive at destination with much less fatigue and it feels safer.
You can just charge on a regular 120 volt outlet up to 12 amps. You don’t need to install the “dryer plug” as your car will only charge up to 16 amps. The cost to install may not be worth it. II just bought a Tesla model 3 in June and use 120 volt outlet as I drive around 30 miles per day and plug in overnight when needed. Eventually I’ll upgrade to level 2 due to my driving habits
@@OreoSpeedwagon825 Yes, when renting a condo I had to use painful level 1 charging when driving about 50-75 mi/day. Whenever not driving, it was critical to plug-in or at end of week I needed to visit a supercharger. Actually, two companies specialize in level 1 charging for apartments and condos by offering smart plugs that bill the EV driver. Look at OrangeCharger and Plugzio.
The Tesla OEM Level II home charger on a 60 AMP circuit charges at ~47 miles per hour at 48 AMP. I usually charge at 30 AMP because I noticed the unit gets a lot warmer at 48 AMP, but it’s quicker than Nema 14-50 plug charger, or some other Level II’s.
Nema 14/50 is nominally installed on 50amp breaker. So 40 amp max continuous charge. I see no reason for a 1450 charger just get it wired. It cost almost nothing more.
In California we have a Emporia 48 AMP charger and code required a 60 Amp circuit breaker. Early on Ford was going to offer 100 amp charging /110 amp Breaker for the Lightning, but backed off to more practical 90 AMP / 100 AMP breaker.
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@@Dive-Bar-Casanova ford is 80 amps on 100 amp breaker. NEC Continuous duty cycle regulations require an 80% use.
Thank you!!!;)
Certainly see how Kyle does. I Looking forward to seeing how you spend an hour to tell us how to charge a car. But first I need to go make more coffee.
Also charging after a certain time, gets you cheaper rates if you check with your electricity provider..
That BMW ChargePoint charger price is $9.95 flat rate per PlugShare. Still painful, tho.
Also can you explain about what it does to your Tesla leaving it plugged in for a long period of time . I am a way for months at a time and leave my Tesla plugged in at home. How does this affect my battery?
As long as you’re not charging the car to 100% every night it should have very little effect. In the old ICE car days I used to have a car I didn’t use that I kept on a battery maintainer that’s affectively what you’re doing. Besides which even pretty significant abuse of a battery will result in perhaps a 10% degradation over 10 years. I think this is a much over worried about problem that isn’t really a problem.
At the risk of stating the obvious, I suggest you configure your car’s charge limit to something between 50 and 60%. This lets you keep your vehicle plugged in without worry of battery degradation; it also lets you keep Sentry mode on without the worry of running down your battery. You can always up the charge limit in the app if, say, you’d want a higher state of charge right before arriving home.
Have you ever seen an EV stall designated for handicapped (HP) drivers? I’ve seen several. I will charge there rather than wait for a standard space, but never leave my vehicle. I’m on the lookout for a HP driver in need of a charge. If they show up, I believe proper etiquette is to terminate charge and allow HP vehicle to use stall. However, I’ve seen many EVs wait 30 mins or more for a non-HP stall.
I have seen these yes. We have one in Darien
mannn Dave makes me wanting to get a tesla but my house is older, a 1958 year old house so no plugs outside 💔😵💫. And hiring an electric is hard and just can’t be trusted in Texas. 💀 in my opinion.
But is it crazy if I got a Tesla and just charged at work and in public chargers. And it’s just a basic wall charger at work. We don’t have a lot of Tesla chargers in Dallas Texas , mostly EVGO. I like Tesla because the charging seems so goodddd, so would I have to get an ev with a “android” non Tesla charger but the KW seems poor and just not worth it. Having an electric car seems good with less parts to maintain, people wanna get EVs but it’s like the chargers is the problem and how to install them. It should be free from the government but it’s isn’t well not in Texas. just tuff
btw im just a 20 year old learning from Kyle and Dave about the future as a consumer. ICE cars are just cheaply built like we just need 4 cylinder, hybrid or electric vehicle . 💀 The best for everyone. Love the content! 💯👏.
Thank you
What if your phone is dead or don’t have one ?
Future shock.
As a military veteran, I just charge at the local Military base.
Is the price discounted?
If your Chargepoint session ends you will be charged an “idle charge” just for being parked and connected. Those idle charges are very high. So don’t just park at a space and plug in thinking you own that space.
Clear as mud.
You should be deliberate to call out the fact that the information presented is relevant to US/North America only. Other countries use different connectors from NACS & J1772 (e.g. Type 2/Combo CCS 2) and what you refer to a Level 2 is still considered Level 1.
I don’t agree just because you drive a EQS don’t mean you can charge at home some folks live in apartment and have these cars. Also why not use the free charging rather than running up your electric bill.
I get the idea but i think it is making it more confusing....thi would scare me away if i was not a Tesla owner
might have been better to break this up into multiple videos that way what ever car i buy i can watch the video that matches my options..
I don't believe level 2 AC charging is harder on the battery than level 1 AC charging and level 1 WILL CONSUME MORE ELECTRICITY than level 2. I measured a 12% higher consumption at level 1 compared to level 2 with my Nissan leaf. This because level 1 takes so much longer than level 2 and there are some losses. So, if you care about cost, charge with level 2. If you want battery longevity don't charge higher than 80% unless you plan to drive immediately after charging.
Another way to explain Charge-rate
Charge-rate (time to “fill up”):
charging at 1% is fantastically fast
charging at 99% is ridiculously slow
Current/common battery chemistry Charge-rate degreases with how full the battery is
Not hanging the “hose” back up is like not taking your cart back
Two words. Kart demon.
All chargers should have a credit card payment system. Just like a gas station to make it as simple as possible.
You say “converter” I say “inverter” .
Technically, an inverter transforms power from DC to AC. To transform AC to DC, use a rectifier.
A Tesla wall charger at home will get you ~44 miles in an hour.
The had lip syncing is distracting
OMG Dave & Kathy!! What the heck are you doing…love you guys…normally- Kathy was the only had the only useful comments on charging etiquette…you on the other hand…somewhere in “ how to charge an electric car”….you got lost and fell into the arcane weeds of BS chargers while actually trying all the BS chargers out there. I’d be totally confused right now regarding charging out in the “real world” if I was in the market for an all electric car! Why not just come up with a theme for this poor excuse of teaching people how to charge. You must be an engineer- married to one…never explain something simply if you can get into the minutiae! Geez…Truth? You driving a TESLA because it’s hands down the BEST electric car for charging- ANYWHERE! You should be comparing the s-t chargers against TESLA chargers in EVERY Case. Sorry for the screed…but you carried the BS to a whole new LEVEL.
Best way to charge a car or truck is trade it in for a fuelly vehicle
Dave, your confusing video is far from charging 101. It is like a charging phd presentation for a graduate student.
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