I let 4 World Class Photographers Critique my Images
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- I ask 4 top professional landscape photographers to critique 5 of my favourite images, hoping to improve my photography in the process.
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What a great twist; I typically see TH-camrs critique their followers images and for the most part their opinions are debatable. However, to see so many professionals critique a fellow professional is incredibly exciting and truly educational. To apply the critiques at the end was not only bold but shows us how a great teacher must also be a good student. I hope to see more of these videos.
Thanks so much!
Hey Nigel, that was an absolute blast and an honor to take part in. Thanks so much for including me :)
Thanks for not being too mean!
Your transparency and vulnerability putting your neck out like this really should be applauded. As well as your critics. Great video!
Thanks for having me :)
And big cheers to Rick for the editing of this video!
This taught me that you can't have a picture that satisfies everyone. Each person has their own ideas and standards
I admire your bravery to let these studs give you their advice. It was interesting to hear them often say similar critiques about similar concerns. When watching, I often thought, geez, I've got sooooo much to learn. You're an amazing photographer as they all know. Thanks for letting yourself be vulnerable. It is impressive.
Agree 100%
Came here to say exactly this. Well put.
true true
Thanks - I have to admit it is scary doing this. But I want to keep improving and there is always something to learn.
If three professionals have the same critique, you have to listen, no matter how much you disagree. That doesn't happen by chance. They know something you don't, so it's best to listen.
This felt like peak “Photography nerd-ism” and I loved every second of it! 😁 thank you Nigel and gang 🙏🏼
Glad you enjoyed the nerds
How incredible that top photographers' ideas are nearly same for some photos. I recommend to the people who are watching; just pause the video in the beginning of each photo and think about it and then watch their critics. Great video as always.
What a brilliant video and tutorial, the level of detail in the comments was amazing and very constructive. Such a privilege to be able to view this content Nigel. I am going to save a link to this video so I can watch again & again, some really important points I am sure I can add to my processing. The edits were also great and I loved them.
But are you aware that this is just a MAS? ;-)
what i've learned in the past tens years of photography is that someone will always find something wrong with your picture. I used to stress about following all these rules and examples and tips and tricks. now i take what i like do what i like and most people love it.
ditto. A photograph should not need an explanation. No one need to articulate why they like a photograph. If the viewers can connect for any of the reasons, be it the subject matter, beautiful light, nice composition, combination of all these and so on it is a successful photograph.
@@vandalton4948 sometimes an explanation of the thought behind a photo and how it came about and it’s significance can help people view the image from a closer perspective of the author of the photograph and I don’t think that’s any mark against the image.
@@tobiasyoder I believe what you said applies to documentary photographs where context is very important. For general street photography, landscape photography no explanation should be required.
@@vandalton4948 Pretty bold statement to say what a certain type of photography should be. I also don’t think there is any hard distinction between documentation and artistic photography, it’s all blurred and overlapping. If you consider a great painting of some sort that you don’t initially love, having an explanation that helps you to see it from a new angle and appreciate isn’t an issue with the painting and not because the painting is documentary. Additionally I think photography is inherently somewhat documentary since the definition is creating an image by documenting light at a given point in time but I digress.
@@tobiasyoder I don't want to compare photography with painting at all. These two are very different forms of art. Painting can be abstract, it may not represent anything real or the painting may not resemble to anything we see. On the other hand, photographs are very real, there is nothing imaginary here. Anyways, everyone's perception or thought process is different and I respect other's opinion. I just have a very rigid idea when it comes to photography probably because I have been following and practicing this form of art for many years.
I'm an amateur photographer who's been practicing and learning for 10 years and messing around with Photoshop for literally 20 years and when Alex talks I feel like I haven't even scratched the surface of understanding how all this works.
yeah, the way he understands the subtle changes in color as even minor changes are made is pretty incredible.
Wow! It would be great if there were more of this! Hearing constructive suggestions from a group of professionals, on the work of a professional photographer, and having familiarity with all involved, and then comparing one's own opinions, is not just informative but also a chance to affirm and enrich one's own opinions and, hopefully, skills. Thank you for this very generous gift. Hats off to you.
But, this was four really good photographers. Good eyes. There was a husband and wife team who used to do this on their channel and they had no idea what they were doing.
I agree. I do not have experience in photography whatsoever (other than a thousand pictures of my cats on my phone) but even this got me hooked! I looooove this video. I think its so interesting. Thank you Mr. Nigel. You are amazing! Hope to see more of this!!
In 22:36 Alex is talking about individual channels being blown up and consequences of it. Mind blowing thing for me as an intermediate in photo editing. Looking forward to seeing the video you promised! haha Great reviews and insight everyone!
I agree that in the first picture of the heather, the subject (the thing your eye is drawn to) is the big bare rock. My biggest challenge in Lightroom is minimizing my edits so the photo stays natural, and not just a digital painting.
Thanks so much for doing this... everyone was constructive and gracious in their comments... i wouldn't mind them critiquing my work!
This is one of the best videos I've ever watched. I admire all of you so much. It helps me to see the difference in how all of you see the same scene. Thank you for posting this one. I learn more from these collaborations.
I love that you invited other photographers to help on your quest to improve your photography and give us great content! I feel like the next level would be bringing in more diverse cast of photographers that bring unique and new viewpoints and ideas!
I also really found the comments about colour editing fascinating. Very detailed constructive feedback. So thanks to all your reviewers too.
That was a lot of fun to go through! Tips from everyone were definitely helpful to think about while making an image. One thing I was thinking, and this doesn’t always apply buutttt I feel like sometimes in photography if you try to be too perfect, too symmetrical and too balanced you can lose character, sometimes the imperfections are what makes an image great and unique. Not always but I think it’s important to remember when crafting an image as well.
Defense is my first response when people critique my Photographs. Until i realize there is so much truth in an unbiased voice. We should grave improvement our whole life. Thanks Nigel. Great work and you are a great inspiration!
So at first I noticed a 32 minute video, and wasn't sure if I wanted to spend that much time listening to folks banter on about editing and critiquing. I am REALLY glad I did! Your photos are really great, but this told me there is always another perspective. I even tried to anticipate what their critiques were going to be when you first loaded your image. Most of the time my first thought was what they focused on in their comments. This encouraged my own confidence in my skill set on image editing. So thanks much for an unusual Sunday video, and one more helpful than I anticipated. Cheers!
I'm a fan of technical criticism. I like hearing things that could help my process of editing. Not a fan of artistic criticism. The reason being is you can recieve varying opinions which takes away from your own style.
Bottom line, you're not going to please everyone. If you like your work, then that's all that matters.
Nigel, I love your work simply because it's from you and your mind. Don't change anything. Following others critique will make you second guess your artistic ability. Trust in what you love and it doesn't matter if everyone loves it. There will always be some who like your work and others who don't.
My only critique for you is to ignore all artistic critique.
wtf
I understand where you are coming from Greg. We have to be careful not to stifle creativity and ultimately artistic expression. One criticism I have of a lot contemporary landscape photography is so much of it is the same. I like to see photographers who stand out from the crowd - who are doing something that sets them apart.
Don't care how long you've been in it, (publicly) submitting your best work to other Pro's takes humility. Top marks for that Nigel.
Thanks
It's very interesting to see how they all point on the same things. A lesson to all of us amateurs and beginners to what to avoid and what to focus on / at!
That woodland picture was like a wave of cool air coming through my laptop! So serene and peaceful - it really looks like a painting. Masterful work, I wouldn't change a thing!
Hey Nigel.... thanks for taking the critiques. It really helped me learn a few new techniques.
Everybody thinks their baby is beautiful, but this kind of feedback from one's heroes is, to me, more valuable than random comments from friends/family and less passionate photographers. What a great opportunity for you!
I wish more photographers would do this, it's very hard to continually see your own work and expect to improve without constructive feedback, so good on you for doing so. I'm lucky to have people in my life who are also photographers who have no qualms about ripping my work apart haha
Nah to the contrary, it will mess up your style and voice.
@@donquique1 If at all constructive feedback must be from regular people not other photographers or pros. Photographers usually have a certain similar way of looking at things.
This was refreshing. Hearing pros talk about realistic edits, and colour accuracy is very comforting. I love absolute raw realism, because it adds such a subjective value to my photography for me. I find it so rewarding to have captured a spectacular thing that exists rather than manufacture it.
I feel the same. I don’t enjoy editing my photos to hell and back. I like the shot for what is already there, and if someone asks me (which they have) where that was, I can tell them and I won’t have to worry about them not being amazed as well because it’s something that actually exists to begin with. I usually do make the colors pop more and even out the lighting but not too much to give it more flair but usually with my landscape shots that’s about it
Great video, Nigel. It’s always scary to have your photos critiqued but I learned a lot from this video, so a big thanks to you for being brave. I also like the newer crop on the Iceland photo
Superb video. 10/10 for sticking your neck out here. And 10/10 for the quality of the feedback from another 4 fantastic photographers.
Not only courageous Nigel, but incredibly entertaining and informative. Simply brilliant, one of your best videos. Thanks also to your reviewers, all of them great photographers we admire and respect. You couldn’t set the bar for yourself any higher!
I love this exercise and change of pace, kudos to you, Nigel, for giving it a go. However I will say that this is exactly what photo forums were all about pre-instagram. I miss those days.
Such a great idea to review and reflect on our images. Some of history’s greatest painters would often paint over their original work before the final ‘masterpiece’ was presented. In the same way today, are we ever ‘finished’ with our digital work?
I think the final Vestrahorn crop helps to emphasise the mountain much more.
I liked those two last crops, so pretty 😍
@@L.Spencer Agree on the Vestrahorn crop. Simplifies and improves
Thanks Nigel and also the chaps who critiqued your shots; I learned a lot.
Great video Nigel! I actually chuckled more than once watching this video at the thought of anyone finding fault in the work of Professional Landscape Photographer and Teacher Nigel Danson.....but in the end I feel their comments were absolutely valid and great food for thought. Alex's eye for color was kind of insane if I'm honest.
Perhaps one of the best videos I've seen regarding the key elements of creating great photos in terms of composition, cropping and colour balancing. Though there was a lot of agreement about some aspects that might improve the final image, there was also much reflecting personal preferences and I like the way Nigel distinguished between the two. Great work Nigel and as others mention...very brave of you too.
as a walker who loves photography, I LOVE that rock in the photo. Even though I'm currently sat in bed, I can 'feel' the abrasive and rough texture under my feet, and know the exact sound and sensation it makes compared with the distinct 'thud' from walking on the hard peaty path next to it. It triggers the senses I have experienced walking this terrain, giving me context and transporting me into the scene, which to me is a far more rewarding experience than the perfect composition to the eye. I totally understand what the photographers are critiquing, and I can fully appreciate it: but the very thing they're critiquing is what makes the photo so relatable and triggers such a response in me. Your videos have really showed me just how subjective photography is!
What a great lesson in how and why to seek honest critiques from trusted sources. It may not be flattering to hear the tough critiques, but we all need it sometimes to get better.
Now I’m off to eat an apple. 🍏
I love Michael's modesty at 20:22 when he says the shot is much better than anything he's taken at that location.
A real treat, thank you all for some food for thought 😊
Such an interesting video and the thing that inspires me the most is that a photographer as awesome as you is still wanting to learn and improve and seek feedback. As always, inspired by your videos, thank you!
i love the fact that you are willing to be critiqued publicly so we can all learn, and it was nice of these pros to indulge you. but when it comes to great shots like these the differences really come down to artistic discretion.
Thank you for this, Nigel. It's refreshing to see someone put their work up for criticism. It's difficult but a great learning experience. I also found four new photographers to follow!
5 teachers criticising 1 shot at a time was very educational! I would be watching more videos on this format.
This was incredible to watch! Obviously Nigel was very brave to subject himself to such venerated critique, but wasn’t it also quite brave for these photographers who are world class themselves to be so clearly taken with these photos yet still have the ability to give such thoughtful ideas on how they might improve what my feeble mind can only see as perfection?! I’m totally blown away. Bravo!
I love how they are more or less saying similar things. It makes you see that there is actually deep knowledge, skill and experience behind it - not just saying "whatever" for the sake of the viewers. As for cropping, I tend to leave some images not cropped (enough) because you never really know what exact ratio you may need in your presentation/book/calendar/final-whatever version.
Although, I see Adam’s reasoning for wanting to crop and simplify that woodland image.. I totally feel like you giving the right and left breathing room, is what makes the image feel so inviting
The “dead space” in bottom left corner, according to mads, I feel like it needs to be there. As it anchors the trees but also gives the hill or ground a pleasing form
The photos are all beautiful and you should be proud of all of them.
What a wonderful video! This foray into the very fine points of image making / editing, intelligently done, with respect for the vagaries of “being there to take the shot” is so very instructive. What a wonderful idea to have your peers comment and reflect on your images. This is also a master class on constructive input.
Brilliant Nigel, thank you very much for this critique video and all the respectful professional comments !!!
Please, repeat this type of exercise, I have learned so much from it.
Fascinating to listen to all the comments, some amazing alternative visions. Thanks Nigel for exposing yourself and your work to such giants. Thanks also to those Giants for their time, comments and suggestions. Best half hour on YT for a long time!
Nigel, This made for an interesting critique. It brought to mind that photographers revisit their images. Your images are a reflection of how you felt about the scene that day and later when you worked on it. Later on you might re work an image, but, prefer the original :)
this was so interesting to watch, i’ll always just say photography is my hobby, because there’s no way i’ll get close to being that pro. Love your images and definitely learned a lot
It was great seeing all of the feedback and informative suggestions. Despite all of the personal preferences and subjective views, it was also quite revealing to hear many agreements among them.
Happy to see all favourite Photographers together ......
I like how the American warned he was going to be a jerk but ended up being really nice and gentle. It's amazing to see how the minds of top pros work!
Very brave to have your images critiqued. I have to agree with the comments. The woodland photo I would have rejected as shot because of the lack of focal point, cropping out the right tree and lower left would help improve it enormously.
This is why you are my favorite. Not only superb, but also modest and humane.
Very interesting video. The crop on the heather shot made the rock on right even more dominant. I agree receiving critique is the the best to learn and improve. I never get offended by it.
Thanks for this video Nigel.
It was a great watch.
Given how much the discussion was about colouring and processing, it would be interesting to have a 4 photographers; 1 raw photo video.
Give each photographer a raw file and ask them to process and edit the photo. Would love to see how each of them approach and colour a photo differently
I enjoyed the critiques and several times found that the comments reflected my own reactions to the photos. But they also reinforced the fact that photography (all art for that matter) is subjective. Each person who views a piece or art, such as a photograph - and especially a photographer - brings their own biases along with them; they don't always react to photographs as the photographer intended because they are busy thinking, "I would have done this or moved here or eliminated that" etc. Kudos to you, Nigel, for submitting your photos to other pros for their comments. And thanks to them for sharing their honest views.
I was wondering how this would work out from your video's title. And I am not disappointed! Found it very constructive to see you as an experienced and respected photographer learn from others in such a humble way! Thank you _a lot_ for encouraging myself (an amateur who feels like he knows nothing) to keep going.
Very brave of you Nigel! You did pick some great people to critique your work. I’m a big fan of Alex Nail’s technical skills and Mads’ compositional skills.
I’m glad you cropped the sea stacks. That was my main concern - I didn’t think you needed the foreground as it took all my attention.
I enjoyed this very, very much. Would like to see more along the same lines in the future with the same cast members. It's valuable to all of us out here to hear and see everyone's different thoughts and ideas on editing and composition. I'm probably the worst in the world about getting stuck in a particular editing style and seeing everything I should and it's really refreshing to hear all of your inputs in one excellent video. Thank you!
A fascinating video. Really useful to see the feedback from 4 other people, all of whom I also follow. Alex has terrified me with his colour expertise. There's always so much more to learn!
I liked the cropped image for Iceland much more. It is cleaner and clearer. Somehow the blurry grass at the bottom was anoying. I also like the tighter crop on the sea-stack. For the Faroes shot, you’ll just have to go back there and try again :)
I really like the crop for the Iceland photo, It looks even better now! The positioning of the mountain looks better with it cropped in.
Enjoyed that Nigel, will probably be a bit of an eye opener for a lot of beginners
That woodland shot is like a painting 😙🤌 perfection
Afraid I'm late to this party but just wanted to say that you don't need to do a thing to your astonishing seascape photo. Sure you could squeak in a milimeter on the right if you've got it, but it's already a uniquely beautiful photograph -- and I do mean unique! How many photographers manage to capture the beautiful swirling patterns of the foam AND the immense power of the crashing waves AND a waterfall AND a distant promontory AND the exquisite light all working together in a superbly balanced picture? It's the photograph of a lifetime, and I congratulate you!
Adding Alex to my subscriptions. I really appreciated his “color commentary “. All the others are on my list already. Thx, Nigel.
What I don't get: Why is it always so easy to say for critics, step a bit to the left (first photo, to avoid the big flat rock). But they forget to mention that the new composition also does not work anymore (pile of rocks against the background)...
anyway: great start of a series, looking forward to more of this.
Good for you putting yourself out there under such skilled scrutiny! I'm not qualified to provide any critique. I was surprised at how much a difference the little bit more space on the right helped the Faroe image. Fascinating!
Your vulnerablity shows an emotional maturity that few ego-led photographers can claim to have. Well done.
Thanks Nigel. I love that you're prepared to have your images critiqued by these heavyweights not in spite of your obvious masterful talent, but because of it. It shows us that no matter what your experience, if we're humble enough to admit it, then anyone can improve. To be honest, I feel that you are every bit as qualified to critique their images too.
Also, have you ever noticed that there seems to be a finite amount of time that you can sit at your workstation tweaking a particular image before you have to walk away and come back later? Kind of a picture blindness. Often, I do a full reset of parameters using the history function and go again - sometimes discovering an edit which works even better.
This was so useful. Thanks for taking the 'hits' on our behalf.
We spend so much time trying to "fill the frame" and "crop in camera" that it can become an impediment. We only have so much resolution, and the idea of throwing it away is painful - so much so that we are in constant danger of not letting a scene breathe. I think the critiques were excellent, and the different bits of advice where enlightening.
It's easy to talk about moving a bit left or right without considering that the physicality of the spot might make that nearly impossible or introduce new problems that are worse than what we're trying to solve. Still, it's always a valid point. Camera position is critical, and if time allows, don't just shoot it from one spot, move around, even if it's only a foot or two one way or another.
The hardest thing for any creative person to get is truly constructive and well-intentioned but brutal criticism. We're not obligated to agree, but it behooves us all to seek out and listen to those few individuals who both want you to be your best and are willing to be brutally honest.
Well done - everyone!
Interesting to hear everyones feedback on your images. It's amazing some of the things you don't recognize in your own photos until someone else points it out. Love your image of the rocky beach and the seastacks.
The thing that stood out to me here was the degree of consistency between the critiques; that in itself says something. Good vid.
Funnily enough I reckon everyone looking asked to critique these brilliant images would say 'there's too much stuff at the bottom' or 'the wave is great but a bit yellow' so it's interesting to hear experts articulate the precise reasons and techniques involved for the same issues. Which is why they are experts & get it right - even though it's meant to be a matter of subjective taste!
Very brave & extremely useful, would love to see more professional critiques - keep it coming!
It's incredible how much unintentional consensus there is between these artists. Great video editing to highlight it.
I absolutely loved this
You got your self beaten up with bravery to show that you have alot to go trough even after this much time!
Its people like you that this platform is made for!
This was a great watch, really enjoyed it. I think what this does confirm perfectly though, is that our photography is completely subjective. Thanks for putting this together guys.....
This video was amazing, because not only you are improving your photography, we are getting great knowledge too. Agree with almost all the comments of the photographers. Great work!
Nigel, thank you for being brave enough to have these great photographers critique your work. I’m sure you learned a little something but for me I learned a ton by watching this. I’m a huge fan of all of your work and I really appreciate you sharing this. Thank you.
It was really fun to pause and guess what they would nit-pick before hand. Great photos.
I think you hit the nail on the head about improving yourself by having others give feedback it's something we should all embrace. I found myself taking images but felt I was becoming a one trick pony with my editing and composition. Although I get knowledge and inspiration for people like your good self, there's nothing better than sharing your work with other photographers it's the main reason I joined my local photography society and I'd encourage others to do so it's a great library to reference.............really enjoyed this Nigel thanks for having the balls to do it.
Kind, constructive reviews of your images. So interesting that on some images, the photographers reviewing, were all in agreement of certain elements within your photos. Really opened my eyes to look harder at a scene before I push that shutter button. Your images were all very nice, but I do see that there is almost always a bit of room for improvement. Well done, thank you for making this video. 😊
Constructive criticism can be good, there are points mentioned in this video that I would never of noticed or thought of. Great of you to share your work to be critiqued , even better that you took it on board. Great video.
I appreciate your honesty with yourself and your bravery in sharing it. I have to admit I like the sea stack crop way better than the original , feels cleaner and more pure. Mind you, I'd be happy to be the owner of either version!
It’s easier I suppose to adjudicate someone’s work but I did think the edited images at the end did work a little better. I really liked the Iceland shot. Nice work and video Nigel
I was blown away at the post processing of the second image
Very informative video. Just have to comment on the woodland photo, perfect ‘as is’ in my opinion. The tree on the right gives balance and weight to the forest. The stone wall in the back gives a wonderful soft contrast. No cropping or cloning out needed.
I fully agree!
Fantastic video and instructions, Nigel! The edits plussed an already amazing set of photos. But perhaps most impressive of all is your absolute humility to allow this critique. Good on you, and thank you for all you do.
Loved all the commentary from the other Pros, it really helps everyone to get pointers on composition, and gives all of us in TH-cam land exposure to others to follow, and possibly purchase some of their works. I'm still amazed how many friends who are aspiring photographers who won't share their work with others because they are afraid it is not perfection.
What a feast of visual wisdom! I learnt so much from this and it was encouraging that even Nigel makes mistakes!
Good honest critique is sooo important and has such massive value. REally eye opening insights.
I love that this will be a series! So instructive. The crops at the end are gorgeous alternatives. Beautiful work.
I really like how they judge it!
I am a student at fanshawe college, canada in photography program. I do know how it feels to get your images being criticized. But it really does work wonders in improving your own vision of the image.