What Devastation Created Iron Bottom Sound?
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In this video, we investigate why Savo Sound changed it name to Iron Bottom Sound.
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There's almost as much shill as there is content.
picked this game up on your recommendation (using your link of course)
when are they gonna add sailing ships like galleons?
Naval history is a bit of a tangent from your usual content.
Some topics on differences between naval ships/navigation vs civilian operations would be interesting.
Showing an iowa being bombed by hellcats was something...
@@kingjulian420 after all, its called casual navigation, not professional naval warfare :D
Nice. I thought I knew all of this, but I didn't know that now the Sound was officially named Iron Bottom Sound, rather than just nicknamed that. Bravo Zulu.
The stuff that went on right through that chain of islands was amazing and the stories I've heard from first hand accounts of Australian navy sailors are just incredible. In the Lousiadese (?), an archipelligo to the east of the main islands of Papua NG I saw a Zero wreck basically intact and apparently the pilot crash landed in the water, got out and walked off.
@@seanworkman431 Nice! Ty for the personal story.
*Taps the surface of the water*
"This sound can fit so many shipwrecks in it"
Bikini Bottom wishing she had ships instead of warheads
@@wanderingbufoonWell, she still does. Operation crossroads sunk a bunch of ships there.
hold on, what do you mean "still does"
I would love to see a Casual Navigation and Ops Room collab given both of you produce such well made, well researched and beautifully animated videos.
I came to comments to say the same thing. They're both great narrators as well, which is a skill in and of itself.
Operations Room and Drachinifel already did a series on the naval battles of Guadalcanal, but I’d also like to see them work together in some way
I can set my watch to your uploads. You are the most consistent "creator" on this platform.
As someone who already follows a bunch of channels that go into naval history in much more detail:
4:59 are those US planes launching from a japanese carrier
6:01 is that a US fast battleship being targeted by US planes
Not a complaint since military history isn't the channel's focus it's just amusing if you notice it.
Lol. Those flags.😂
5:15 he said US when it shoulda been Japan
@@TonyLambregts The Japanese one was correct
You missed the ALWAYS DEPLOYED landing gear.
I know wows is your sponsor but if you want a game that plays this campaign.
War on the sea is it.
A naval strategy game that's all I'll say on it.
The operations room, drachinifel among others have done videos on the campaign as well. There was also other naval engagements that happened outside of the sound but relevant.
Like the battles of the Solomons and santa cruz.
The aircraft based at Henderson field which included Aircraft from the Air force, navy and marines was known as the "cactus air force"
Excellent video
You could provide your typical content but how it affects a military vessel fighting and sinking
Best historical Videos about the whole Guadalcanal campaign are from Drachinifel. Nothing against Operation Room though.
Drachinifel is great but OR has a way of making super complex battles very clear with the animations. I've seen Band of Brothers countless times but it wasn't until I saw the OR video's on the assault of the guns, Brecourt manor, the Battle of Foy and Bastogne in general, I understood how it was all laid out. Much of the Pacific battles were always hard to grasp, not knowing what happened where exactly. Now when I watch Drachinifel's video's, I actually get what he is talking about.
Him and OR should really do a collaboration.
Drach and OR did collab on the Guadalcanal campaign videos. I don't think Drach featured in the OR vids, but Drach worked with OR to used their animation on his videos on that campaign
Montemayor did a video on this, so there is no contest.
As i said, nothing against OR. His vids are great.
But i like long and Detailed videos about such complex topics more.
Lots of personal preferences on my side. Sorry if i offended some OR fans.
@@kammerj4ger348 I don't think anyone is offended, it is just a matter of preference. I like the top-down view of the battle along with the explanation, instead of the longform style of others.
If everyone liked the same, the world would be extremely boring.
It should be noted that the IJN "battleships" were 2 of the 4 Kongo class. They might be more accurately described as battlecruisers. They were originally built as such prior to the Washington naval treaty, and their 1930s refits didn't really help their armor situation much.
This is also the battle where the myth of Battleship X started, even if all South Dakato did was absorb shells from Japanese ships. Admittedly, that isn't nothing, as those shells could have bene directly at less well armored targets instead, with potentially much more devastating effects.
While technically all in service before the treaty, it would be more accurate to say they were pre-WWI battlecruisers
Wooo Ops Room shouout :D
I enjoyed this episode of Baz Battles.
This started out as a normal video about diffeent bodies of water but just turned out as a list of battles and ship counts. Not interesting for me.
The idea interests me but Casual Navigation just isn't the channel for it.
At 5:14 You've got your wording back to front.
If you run your video and have a look at the words and the flags and what's popping up with the battleships you'll see what I mean
He says "US" for both sides. When he gets to the losses, it's correct.
I expected a video on foghorn nomenclature.
Great video! Love your content and that you’re trying out some different topics. Keep up the great work!
One minor mistake: 5:05; you said “US” twice…called the Japanese fleet the “US fleet”. It’s also interesting you started this listing of ships off with the US ones when all the comparisons before this were Japanese first then you listed the US fleet. I don’t know why I noticed that, but I did haha! Doesn’t impact the content at all, just found it interesting. ☺️
Point of order, the Kongos, derived from the British Lions, are not actual battleships but battlecruisers, not that even Yamato could have taken Washington's hits without severe damage, the range was so close. That being said, had Yamato been present, South Dakota probably wouldn't have survived, given her electrical issues
South Dakota would have most definitely survived.
Stop talking jive, turkey
@@conradmcdougall3629 You have literally nothing to argue that position. If you're going to make a statement about how someone is wrong, then at least say why. Right now you just sound like a clown telling someone they're wrong for the sake of telling someone they're wrong.
I would have been happy to learn more from sea features, and renaming and recategorizing of those. You are the guru in that and if I'm looking for historic battle report I would like to find it elsewhere.
Unfortunately a lot of the wrecks in this area are being harvested for scrap and so are being destroyed instead of preserved for history.
But really, why not?
I get preserving history. We ought to preserve bits of history that we either have something to learn from or which are simply really cool. I don't think we really have a whole lot to learn from this pile of wrecks. The stories around them are known well enough. And I somehow fail to see the "cool" factor in this, as well. I honestly don't see the problem in recycling the material.
@@wurfyy It all belongs to the local people now who never asked for the war in their backyard, if they can use it let them.
@@seanworkman431 It is not the locals doing this. It is foreigners, usually Chinese swooping in without their knowledge and taking it away for use in radiological instruments and other sensitive applications. Steel made before July 16 1945 (aka low-background steel) is valued for use in anything highly radio-sensitive as all steel produced after this date (the day of the Trinity test) is liable to have incorporated isotopes that would distort the readings of an instrument made from it. The wrecks themselves remain property of their respective countries of origin and all human remains within to their descendents. Unauthorised interference, let alone harvesting resources from them, is desecration of a war grave and unambiguously illegal. It is also completely unnecessary. There are immense quantities of low-background steel to be had from the German ships at the bottom of Scapa Flow. These ships were surrendered and taken there for scuttling after the WWI rather than sunk in battle so the wrecks are uncomplicated by war grave status.
@@mortified776there's no longer a high demand for wartime steel as enough time has passed since the test ban that newly produced steel now has a low enough background once more for use in all but the most sensitive equipment.
@@drworm5007
Yeah but salvagers probably ignore that ban and probably don't care about the background radiation supply thing... After all, poachers still steal rhino horns and grind them up as medicine for Chinese clients despite medical knowledge telling everyone that's a load of crap. So why wouldn't salvagers be taking low-background steel for profit?
Can you make a video about the capsizing of Normandie and why it happend ?
Excellent video. They should name it, Non Radioactive Iron Sound.
I heard it was because compasses dont work right with that much steel in the water.
What software do you use for animating?
montemayor's video on this topic I'd recommend for anyone actually interested in naval history
0:46 and a sound anchorage
Does the high concentration of shipwrecks have any effect on the compasses of vessels navigating in the area?
As an EE i find it highly unlikely for a couple of reasons:
1. The wrecks are not magnetized so they aren't producing a magnet field to affect compasses
2. The distance is a big factor, most electrical effects decay with the square of the distance.
3. The salty sea water and the steel of modern ships are both conductive an due to proximity are much more likely to impact the magnet fields around a compass than ships on the bottom of the sea. (I'm assuming they are atleast 100ft deep)
Was this where Kennedy PT boat was sunk
Published on the Marine Corps' Birthday no less.
Strait - šaurums
Sound - līcis
Chanel - šaurums
Gulf - līcis
So Im gona go ahead and keep using only 2 words, just like you lack words for various solid H2O formations
Sniegs - snow
Sērsna - snow
Sarma - ice
Ledus - ice
Krusa - hail
Atkala - ice
LOL please tell your animator that aircraft with a tailwheel configuration don't take off by rolling off the tail.
You should do a video on the crew of CG-36500 and the rescue of the SS PENDLETON crew. A 4 man U.S Coast Guard crew (CG-36500 a 36ft boat) rescue 32 crew members from the SS PENDLETON in 1952. Total of 36 people on a 36 foot rescue boat in 40 foot swells returning with no navigating system in the dead of night. God was on their side for sure.
I don't know if you have already done a video on it or not
Funny how people go bonkers over the flags but nobody seems to notice how all the attacks were flown by Grumman Wildcats with the landing gear down doing a horizontal bombing (whilst the Wildcat could carry two small bombs, dropping them on a carrier won't do much. And if you were to, dive-bombing would increase accuracy and make the planes harder to hit
Hi Casnav!
You have the smoothest sponsor transitions. I'm kidding.
Montemayors video on this is probably the best ww2 documentary... Or maybe second to Montemayors on midway. Sorry to shoutout other youtubers.
honestly at the rate the graves are being pillaged, it will probably be changed back to Savo in a decade or two
the moment when a meme becomes the official name for a place
@@ithecastic what are nicknames if not an old version of a meme?
I mean i wouldn’t bring a corvette to ship fight. But what do i know
Corvettes are ships.
5min ago
Love your videos!!
I call them Sund 😅
World of Warships is not really free. After you reach the middle of the tech tree you'd have to play 24/7 for a week to get each new ship after that. I've been playing since 2017 and I just got a Fletcher class destroyer today.
But but but... why is a "sound" called a "sound"? It sounds suspicious....
nice video
I must admit, I expected a Casual Navigation video on November 10th, but I would have never guessed it to be about this
The sound didn't change it's name, we changed it's name.
We should stop dead naming the sound.
TIL Guadalcanal is not actually a canal. Go figure.
I hope Kirishima's wreck is still intect. I want to visit her so bad.
Please tell me this thought isn't related to some weirdo ship girl anime or game
@@Tinil0 Not at all. Ship waifus are the best.
It's probably been scavenged by now, sadly.
Kirishima lies in 1200 meter depth. The last expedition to her wreck was 2019. There is no reason to assume much has changed since then
@@antorseax9492 her wreck being scrapped is next to impossible. She lies in 1200 meters depth. It is not worth it for scrappers to go so deep. For comparison, Prince of Wales, who has suffered extensive damage from scrappers, lies only in 68 meters depth, far easier to reach.
Edit: scavengers, not scrappers
Yeah, I don't think naval history is your strong suit...
Sponsor segment ends at 2:36, no need to thank me.
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Frankly, I'd like to discourage you.
Gramercy!
thank you
The music and sound effects are a bit loud compared to the levels of your voice.
Cool videos but the ads too long. Don't watch these channels for the ads.
Then feel free to produce your own.
It's always the same kinda guy. Complaints, but no solutions.
At least most of the wrecks there hadn’t got destroyed by those illegal metal salvagers (most of them anyway). Those grave robbers has been dismantling wrecks in South China sea and Java, some even down to a tiny pieces like De Ruyter and Houston.
For someone descended from one of the sailors perished in one of those wrecks, I couldn’t find a word for my frustration.
I love the video, and all the videos, but that's the wrong US and Japanese flag.
No sane person cares.
@@JohnyG29 I'm not Japanese but wouldn't seeing the modern flag in place of the old imperial one be like putting the modern German flag in place of the Nazi flag? With all the effort in the video, I thought it might prudent to mention this. But like I said its not big deal, but I think it is important to get the representation of countries correct in a a historical video.
Yeah doesn't seem like a very big deal to me, but there's no harm in pointing it out!
^ very good point about comparing to modern vs Nazi Germany flags as well.
@@JohnyG29history buffs 🤓👆🏻
@@secondlieutenan it's more about truth. The modern Japanese are not the Same as the impearial Japanese. And the US didn't have 50 states in WWII as both Hawaii and Alaska were not states at that point. You don't need to be a history buff to know basic world history.
May all those who rest in those waters find peace.
EDIT: For those heading over to watching The Operation Room's video on the Solomon Islands campaign, please be reminded that it's the IJN DD AKATSUKI and not ATATSUKI. It's a nitpick, but I am still mad because of that error.
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Now time for some weebstuff.
Personally, I know the reason why it changed from Savo to Ironbottom, from my run-ins with the Abyssals located in the area. Who knows, maybe my Shipgals will have to return there for 4th time? (3rd time in-game) All I know is that, if it does come to it, I'm ready for another slog.
World of Warships will literally sponsor anything, apparently
I swear you got an email like 3 days before the video deadline and had to rush any ww2 video, and that's why such a dumb topic and obvious mistakes *cough*
3:37 The flag of the United States is shown to have 50 stars (suggesting that they were 50 states in the union at the time) which isn’t true during World War II. Alaska and Hawaii where still territories of the United States and the flag instead should show only 48 stars until 1959 (the year Alaska joined the union) where it should show 49 stars, and in 1960 (the year Hawaii joined the union) and onwards where it should show 50 stars.
As for the flag of Japan, the flag shown here is the 1999 version of the flag (the one with slightly brighter shade of red) which you can guess was *NEVER* used during World War II. From 1870 until 1999, the red shade in the disk was slightly different.
Flag from 1870 to 1999:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Japan?searchToken=di2dwkv818vmnumlhqlifk4xh#/media/File%3AFlag_of_Japan_(1870%E2%80%931999).svg
Flag from 1999 to present:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Japan?searchToken=di2dwkv818vmnumlhqlifk4xh#/media/File%3AFlag_of_Japan.svg
that was so useful it cured my back pain thank you
that is by far the least important/noteworthy thing in this video....
You need to work a bit on your sponsor/content ratio in the video. Turn it down a notch or two, please.
just hit "L" like 4 times until you have skipped the sponsor, that takes like 3 seconds.
Is that the wrong Japanese flag for the time?
who cares
I do
Yes the current Japanese flag wasn't used to after ww2.
While the information itself in this video are very precise, the visual aid is not. This is the correct flag for japan, but the ship symbols are not correct. Going by the symbols, both the US an Japan had Iowa-Class Battleships.
But tbh, these details are irrelevant to people who are interested in Naval History, but not Naval Warfare.
its also the wrong US flag, it doesn't really matter IMO.
Please consider dropping the (unnecessary and annoying) background music
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The sound effects for ships popping onto the screen is annoying and makes this video harder to watch
They’re fine IMHO. I had no problems.
This has got to be a bot farm, video is so basic the thumbnail tells the whole story, has two adds in video that are longer than the information itself. Then all the comments are vague positive responses like they got something out of it. Definitely bots.