You know what I love about this series? It's not another $5000 bike review/ride. Gives new riders hope they dont have to spend their life savings on a sled to have a good ride! Great work Josh!
@@DailyMTBRider Hey man, if that's the goal, let me let you in on a really solid full suspension at an entry level price point. For reference, I ride a 2019 stumpjumper. In trying to get my little brother into mountain biking, I purchased him the diamondback Atroz 2 ($900), and was really impressed with the quality of the frame and build for the money. The ride quality is very nice. It's a quality full sus from a big name, at an entry level price, that's actually worth anyone on a budgets time. Nobody does a proper review on it though, and it is worth it. Seriously, check it out man. It will bring you the views I'm sure of that.
@@DailyMTBRider I'll second this appreciation. This is me. I scooped an old Schwinn Mesa Runner off CL because I wanted to get into MTN biking without knowing anything. As much as I love it, probably not the best for actually hitting trails to learn - especially without suspension. Almost every list for beginners are bikes $1000+
The Derailluer Hanger is specifically designed to be weak and break to protect your frame and derailleur. Its $5 piece of cheap alloy thats SUPER easy to remove and install. The bike was fine imo.
did the dude not know this? if his intention was to keep the bike and make it work, wouldn't it have been easy to just buy a new hanger and reinstall the derailleur? why go through all the trouble of getting a replacement bike?
@@oldfrend Because he wanted to show that you can just buy it and go. The first one failed so he wanted to see if it was a fluke or a problem those bikes would have for someone who wants to just get out there.
My first mountain bike was a Nishiki Alien I built in college starting with it as a used steel rigid frame in 1990 (pre ACX) that I bought at a local bike store swap meet in Newark Delaware. That frame geometry with the raised stays was revolutionary at the time. Building your own bike with your own component choices, lacing the wheels yourself, compromising only on the things your budget constrains, but picking solid stuff was really satisfying. It didn't have suspension, but it was light for the day. Broke my heart when some fool stole my unlocked rear wheel, and I had to buy a budget rear wheel to replace it.
I had two department store MTBs in the 90's, One was a Schwinn and the other I don't even recall but it was a department store only brand and both did great after replacing a couple components that broke, getting the wheels true and tensioned and setting up the brakes and shifting. Two guys can have different experiences with the same bike, rider weight might be a huge factor.
Thanks for the DICK'S shout out... I am a mechanic at the local Dick's here in Nashville. That Nishiki Colorado 27.5+ is a really good bike for the money...the trick is, as you said to have it set up properly. My beef with the bike is...I CAN"T GET THEM IN MY REGION to sell in my store...but I sell a boat load of the GT Aggressor Pro's.... I have a IBS background, that I brought with me to Dick's...the bikes that I build are set up properly and ready to go...I can not say that for the other Dick's stores in my area.
I bought a Nishiki mountain bike from Dicks about 9 years ago because of the geometry of the frame.i road it stock back and forth from home to work 13 miles each way, and also on local trails,for about a year,I slowly started upgrading it,its a nice bike for me,I do have other more expensive bikes, but this one is my favorite every day rider.
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@@CKRlll bwa haha, well played.. ya remind me of a younger me man, and in my youth I would have kept this little war going forever and ever.. but now with many moons behind me, I can let it go WITHOUT having to get the last word in.. wait, never mind, something just came to me... You say yo sister is transgender, so just like her brother, aka you!! B U R N
That bike seems like the unicorn we've been looking for. Really not sure why more companies don't make something along those lines, It'd be super easy to recommend. Either way, good on you for finding this. Looks like it has everything you'd hope for a decent starter bike!
Skills With Phil I dont see why they cant slap a tapered head tube on it. Cant really cost more than the straight tube. A tapered steer tube on this bike would make it truly a unicorn. I looked long and hard at this bike but the lack of fork options caused me to pass. I really wanted this bike.
Eh, the tapered head tube can be mitigated with an external cup headset like one that Cane Creek sells, and I think there's a couple of cheaper options for bottom cups I found on Amazon if that's such a big problem. Little things like bottom bracket stiffness would also really start taking away from the riding of it if you started upgrading >50% the bike's original value in parts and rode it accordingly. Source: upgraded up a bike and replacing the entire bike except for the frame did not resolve the problem of the frame not being built to specs of everything else. Frame still warps too much from cranking. New bike started with selecting the most hardcore frame, then figuring out the rest.
@@notachance8887 it's easier to get a straight tube in big quantities because of demand because more tapered tubes are made and wanted the price goes up
Mom and Dad's basement always nice to and if they don't have one you can always dig yourself, And if they don't want to let you do that there's always the Attic!
Very important to check all the nut and bolts before leaving the Store with new bike, i recently purchased a MTB and front QRL was loose, thank God I checked before riding.
In college I bought a $100 mongoose mountain bike from walmart. I road it to class the next day. When I was riding up a hill to my dorm I bent the handlebars. I left it locked to the bike rack at the dorm next to 100 other bikes and never unlocked it. That was ten years ago. I just bought my next bike, a Trek Session 9.9 Carbon, the handlebars feel pretty solid.
I bought my specialized rockhopper with tons of upgrades from my local bike shop for $350 (used). The bike was originally around $800 so you can get a higher end bike for a cheaper price if you go to your local bike shop!!
I would be very interested in a long term test on this bike. Say like once you gift it to your friend, maybe revisit how it is holding up. That would be very helpful information to have.
I rode a Nishiki road bike with paneers , tent , sleeping bag, minimal cooking gear all over Europe back in the day. She held up to lots of miles / abuse !! It was a great buy.
Think of the rear derailleur hanger as a fuse. It breaks so something else more expensive doesn't (frame/rear derailleur). I always carry a spare with me.
Thats why i built my newest trailbike by myself... to be honest it wasn't that hard or complicated. Not only i saved some money but i got bike just for me and how i wanted it. And it was a fun quarantine project.
@Dylan Wyant some of the things i bought on sale from germany (fox 140mm fork) thanks to my friend and some from local shops.... few things i bought second hand like front bar and dropper post (guy i bought it from took it off a brand new bike and exchanged it for "standard" carbon one), the biggest issue was to get the frame at a decent price but i found one on sale after like two weeks of checking out the shops in my country (frame had one deep scratch on it, so the price was lower), i had to drive 2 hours to get it tho.... in the end its all about the time you are willing to invest in it i guess, but i live in Europe so i dont know if it will be somehow relevant to you
It's a tough topic for sure... True bike enthusiasts will certainly see the value is a true high end top spec expensive MTB. These bikes generally in this price range are truly utterly garbage to a enthusiast and can point out 100 flaws and negative reasons to never buy a bike like this... But on the other hand it's a great review to give an honest enthusiast riders perspective and actually give it credit. I think for the average hard tail rider that wants something inexpensive and will ride it seldom... Great choice! But like you said Fred... It will in NO WAY touch or compare to a true high end MTB. Specialized are great bikes with excellent up to date geometry but many will argue it's overpriced for the spec you get compared to some others in that same price range... But I really feel that your paying a premium with Specialized not only for the bike but rather the built in industry leading service one will receive owning a Specialized product. Service is GOLDEN!!
My dad works at DSG as a bike tech, but he has worked at real bike shops before. He totally set me up with a Nishiki Pueblo. A lot of customers like him because he brings professional bike shop knowledge and customer service to a chain department store. He knows what he’s doing. (I’m kind of regretting not getting that GT he wanted me to get.)
Another GREAT video I can personally relate to... I first got into MTB 7 years ago on a $350 Diamondback from DSG. The protection plan is an absolute necessity if you plan on riding actual trails, as the entry level bike just do not hold up long term. But, like you said, DSG is awesome about working with you if something isnt working out. I actually upgraded to an $800 Diamondback about 6 months later (with protection plan of course) and even that bike didnt hold up long term. Eventually, DSG agreed to refund my total purchase and I bought a proper bike from a local bike shop. Personally, I would advise someone looking to get into MTB to buy the best USED bike they can for their budget... a $400 1 or 2 year old Trek or Specialized is going to be a better (more durable) option IMO
I cant recommend used. But you can buy new bikes a few years old on ebay for well below retail. Also you can find great sales at nashbar and many other mail order companies. You just got to look.
Landin Waldrip | Mate. There are three figures in $435...... stop trying to be a know it all. A four figure bike is something that’s $1000 to $9999. Not $435.
i bought a bike from a local non chain bike shop for £320 on the 7th of October 2017 i took it back 2-3 times to true the wheel and things like that and had to buy a new derraliuer and its still going i have upgraded now but its still going and it was a great way to get into the sport (the bike was a bergamont roxtar 3.0 i upgraded to a 2008 orange patriot)
My husband and I have enjoyed your videos as you have seemed to be genuine and real. It seems as if this time you might be sponsored and that's alright as you are being gracious to Dick's. Just be straightup...always be straightup if you are sponsered. Lord bless you. We appreciate your videos. We still appreciate your honesty about this bike being heavy and all the advice. We will still watch your videos as you rate bikes as we trust your experience.
I think this is a good video because it helps crack the myth that you need to spend thousands of dollars for a "decent" bike. You don't. In fact, $400-$500 will get you a very good bike from any chain store that offers bikes in that range. People spending $2,000+ on the fork alone are just fooling themselves if they thing that's translating to some kind of performance advantage, just like paying 10x more for a few parts that save you 1/2 a pound or two in weight. You'll see a lot of people swearing it's better, but never any empirical data to back up the claims. I actually bought a walmart GMC road bike for $120 just for its frame. I then stripped it down and replaced it with quality components mainly a Shimano 105 drivetrain (including brakes) along with shimano wheels. It had a fixed quill type stem which I replaced with a convert that allows the use of standard stems, nice easton handlebars. The headset is the original loose bearing type which I just cleaned and regreased. Super smooth. The bike turned out awesome, with a total cost around $800. Now a bike of similar "quality" going by the components used would easily start around $1,500 and more likely approach $2,000. I'm in the process of doing the same with a 27.5 MTB/urban bike...but this time I went with a nicer CroMo frameset that cost $240. When all is said and done I'll have about $1,100 into the bike, but it has a 1x10 Shimano Zee drivetrain, shimano deore hydraulic disc brakes, floating disc rotors, inferno 27 wheels with novatec d041/d042 hubs and sapim race spokes (built wheels myself). This bike I'm building is easily something you'd pay over $2,500 for if purchased from a store or shop...and honestly, diminishing returns kick in hard right around the $1000 mark - meaning that you spend a lot more money but get little or not real benefit. I say that because all of the components I've selected are pretty much "best in class" in terms of TANGIBLE performance and durability.
What $2000+ fork are you talking about? Even a RS BoXXer costs less and there's a significant performance upgrade from a $200 fork. My Rockshox Yari is about $700 and it still feels like crap at the bikepark due to the basic damper that I plan to upgrade. I will admit that you can get a nice bike going with a Walmart frame and upgrading the parts, but the more expensive frames are better in terms of geometry and build quality. Also I find your build weird, since you went with a zee drivetrain (11-25t cassette) and deore brakes instead of the other way around. I would have personally put on zee brakes for extra power and a deore drivetrain for the extra gear range.
@@i_eatstyrofoam Did I specify a fork? No, I stated ANY FORK OVER $2,000. Why do I need extra gear range? Do you know where and how I ride so that you're going to sit there and advise me how I should have built my bike? The Zee rear derailleur is one of the best on the market in terms of shifting performance... and the M6000 brakes are more than sufficient for me and probably for 99% of the riders out there. The fact that you're making assumptions about people you don't even know, coupled with your idiotic claims about forks based purely on your opinion, suggests to me that you're one of those cucks who talks a lot of shit because you are full of a lot of shit...and has the need to justify his idiotic multi-thousand dollar expenditures on bike components that offer no measurable benefit so he can feel like a special snowflake.
20 something years ago I bought a Nishiki Pueblo Mountain bike when I was stationed at Fort Hood and didn't know the difference between cheap and expensive bikes. I rode that bike every day... back and forth to the motor pool, mess hall... gym... everywhere. Lots of G.I.s did the same thing. I rode it for years and just wore it out. I paid $199 for it and worth every penny.
I actually used to work for Dick's Sporting Goods, and I gotta say definitely go for the protection plan. Like you said it's like 50 bucks and if your store has a dedicated bike tech like I was, they can get anything through the warranty company, just gotta try a few times till someone says yes. Also if you store has a bike tech who is actually there for that job and likes their job you shouldn't have to take it to a bike shop. We get like 40 hours of training for the bike tech position, and bikes are all very basic, but that may just be because I am also an auto mechanic. I definitely know that the other guys who worked bikes at that shop before me did not put the level of effort into it that I did, so really just get to know your DSG and gauge it off that.
@Pastor Glock ??? are you taking about DSG taking AR rifles off their shelves? Don't worry, my department gives me the ability to order them directly so I don't have to go through a store. Keep on preaching though pastor.
2 years and my Colorado Comp runs amazing. Self service myself so it runs to my liking and personal setup (As it should be). I ride it pretty hard and the derailleur has had zero issues as some said they have had theirs fail. I could be lucky. For a 1x11 27.5 department store bike it was worth it. I’ve had treks, cannondales, Diamondbacks, and I would say it competes but doesn’t beat those. It’s a great training bike because it’s on the heavy side.
I've been watching tons of videos lately because I want to get into mountain biking, so looking for an affordable entry level bike has been a nightmare. Seeing comments like yours are invaluable. Might have to look into this bike a little more.
I bought this bike and upgraded the components, kept the front shock, new hydraulic brakes, kept the crank set and cassette, new rims and tires! Super awesome frame! My custom Colorado is a great bike!
Owner of a 29er Colorado for the last four years. Only used it on trails maybe 1/5th of the time, but it's held up well. Sure enough the rear derailleur has been the only flaw. After about three years and over 1,000 miles I let a family member use the bike for a couple of weeks while away for work. Came back and started riding it on a trail and noticed that the chain was catching. A few minutes later the derailleur snapped and bent the mount for it. Other then that and the rear inner tube nothing else has needed replacement.
That is an amazing idea! The winner is the one who 1. get's down the fastest 2. Bike is most rideable afterward 3. Has the most reflectors..... I've got this in the bag 😂
Swap out few parts and that thing would be a pretty decent bike given the price. Also in my own opinion broken derailleur hanger is just doing its job to protect the derailleur and bike frame.
@@richarde1355 cuz im new in biking and in MY experience it's not good to buy the more expensive things when you're a beginner. I get bored of things quickly so in not risking it. Plus it's easier for me to get a new bike for 450€ and then upgrade slowly the broken parts than to ditch out 1300€
Harpacentrenial Busavoz why buy a cheap bike with the intention of spending money to make it better with upgrades? Why not just use that upgrade money to buy a better bike?
@@richarde1355 I think Turko already stated it: You don't want to dish out 1300+ immediately if you're only starting out. That's a fool's errand because what if you realize that MTB is not for you? 1300 is a lot more to waste than 450~.
@@OmegaF77 plus....whether you spend $400 on parts for a cheaper bike or spending an extra $400 on a more expensive bike....it's THE SAME THING. Your spending $400. Who cares if you spend it on a complete bike or build it up. In fact, you'll learn more about your bike and fixing it when you build it up. Not to mention at the end of the fiscal year, your giving the middle finger financially to the over-priced companies who spend more on advertising than sponsoring local riders. Anyhow, got off topic a bit... curious why two different commentators seemed to promote spending money right away on a 'better bike' than upgrading. .which seems weird to me.
I sold this model Nishiki back in the 80s at a shop in Wisconsin. My buddy bought a Nishiki Ariel as his first bike in 89. Our bikes were about $400 back then. Good history here - great value!
Thank you for speaking out for those of us who are broke XD I've ridden a Genisis Walmart full suspension bike for years and I've had a blast. I have made it down black diamond trails and quite a phew jump lines and I am still riding today. I don't have the money to get an "entry level" bike and much less a top end bike. However, I have ridden different Walmart bikes since I was 6 and I won't be stopping any time soon. Thank you for seeing the good in the simplistic and standing up for those who don't have the money to ride expensive bikes. I love the channel. Keep it up!!
Yea I find it annoying when "Experts" automatically suggest expensive ass bikes to beginners on budget... Like whoa , relax... Nobody ever knows how much somebody's actually going to ride the bike. Will the beginner ride every day or is it gonna sit and collect dust in the garage, collect rust in the backyard, etc... Not everybody who decides to buy a bike is going to be some bike lover who tracks miles, wants the lightest bike out there, makes upgrades just to reduce GRAMS, jumps 15 ft hills, etc. I ride my bike several times a week as a workout and don't need a $500+ bike. My new $200 schwinn has been really good to me for riding around town, finding parks, trails and just going for a relaxing ride to ease my mind. I don't think "man, I could probably ride 12 miles in an hour instead of 10 if I just upgrade everything to lighter parts" 🙄. The point is to have fun. Unless you're a professional cyclist, any functioning bike should fit your needs.
Thanks for making this video and letting us know your thoughts on this bike. My current MTB is a 2009 Trek 820 and it's been great to work with over the years but I'm looking for some newer and this video was really helpful! Thanks again! Keep the good informative videos coming!!!
Been trying to get back into mountain biking, but the prices are outrageous on some of them. I bought both of my atvs (used, of course) for less than some of these bikes. Really wanted to try a plus-size tire bike,and this might be the way to go. I still have a basement full of bike parts, so upgrading will be easy. Thanks for the video!
IMO a Chain Guide is a definite must on a hard tail. It is really the first upgrade you should do to a MTB that is used on blue or red trails. There is so much chain slap that the chain can come of the front chain ring and then get tangled up in the rear wheel and tear the drop-out hanger off the bike. Derailleur manufacturers have figured it out too, hence rear derailleurs with adjustable tension clutches. It's even highly recommended on full suspension MTBs to install chain guides. I dropped a chain and tore the drop-out hanger on my GT Force full suspension. Since I installed a chain guide I've had zero chain drops. If the bike has an ISCG or ISCG-05 3-bolt mount on the bottom bracket then get a combo chain guide + bash guard, like an MRP AMG v2. I've been an an avid cyclist, road & MTB all my life. I wrenched in high end bike shops from age 16 to 23. Then I moved on to race cars. Retired now and having fun.
Worst case scenario, you can upgrade the fork to a tapered fork with the cane creek headset conversion kit. It will change the geometry of the front of the bike by about 10mm... which honestly can be made up for in sag, or a fork with 10mm less travel, or really just look past the whole 10mm and not worry about it because well... it’s only 10mm.. I’ve been looking at this bike a lot because I wanna have a friend get it for his first mtb. I’m glad someone did a real review on it. Because it will be jumped, it will be ridden on More techy flows trails, and the rider will be a bigger than average dude. This was a good review Josh. Thanks for this. It will help him be more confident in the purchase.
I believe the cane creek conversion kit was made for a 1 1/2 steerer tube not the traditional 1 1/6 (the traditional size might actually be 1 1/8) steerer tube
Even it is is compatible, the cost becomes questionable on a budget bike. Besides there are great forks out for a 1 1/8 tube set. I used a Rockshox 30 Gold Rl on my Diamondback.
I bought this bike and before I looked on Craigslist and all they have is a bunch of old bikes from 10 years ago that people are selling for overpriced .might as well get this bike. I've had it for 3 months so far only thing that happened was I broke the chain and half might have been my fault I was in the middle of changing gears
Back like 07 08. I had got a 400 dollar diamond back hard tail. Adjustable front forks twin disc. Square ish frame. Ive ridden hard trails out here still have it now. Changed the rear tire once. I beat it up and its held up GREAT. Ended up cutting the bars cuz to wide and changed the crank.
I must say you are a pretty good rider Mate. I bought a $1000 Giant Merlin 6 bike and did a crazy blue trail run and I am glad I did not even think about failing parts. Well I should add I bought it from a Giant retail store in Australia. Thanks for all the tips anyways.
Dude, great review. Sitting on my ass here in Florida watching this video made me wanna go buy a bike and move west. Thanks and keep up the great reviews.
@@RobertoRodriguez-nq3kq You're a dumb ass. The topic was focused on terrain and for me, that includes fast motorcycles. I've asked a few Florida sport bike riders where do they find twisty roads and the answer was, "onramps and offramps". Any "flat state" would suck for a mountain biker or motorcyclist, unless all you do is slab it on a cruiser bike. You gotta be from one of those broke red states, California has the extremes and variety in terrain with mountains, deserts, beaches, forests, etc. You can surf in the morning and be snow skiing later that day. That is why I love the state, plus, the weather doesn't suck with low humidity in the summer and moderate temps in the winter, unless you live in the mountains. We are the 5th-7th largest economy in the world, a nation state. We should secede because I'm tired of financially bailing out unappreciative red states. Just a couple issues that I don't like, over population and ridiculous home and rental costs.
My first mtb was a Nishiki Colorado that I purchased in 1986 from my LBS in Maryland. Probably the exact same price back then, ha! This video was a trip down memory lane.
Just discovered your channel. This is an awesome video. SO GREAT to see someone reviewing MTBs under 1k. You dont have to have a magazine cover bike to have FUN! Most of the reviews in magazines and online are for full suspension bikes that are 3k plus! And then people wonder why people hesitate to get into the sport. Keep up the good work!
My 1st MTB was a $350. 1992 KHS Montana Crest. I beat up some knarly N.E. trails on that thing! Only problem I had was killing forks. Put on a Rock Shox set and was good to go.
@@wolfenstein731 This is still the cheapest way to get a decent plus bike experience. I have yet to find a name brand 27.5+ for less than $800 used, and most of the cheap ones don't have this 1x drivetrain.
Keep in mind tho most used bikes sold on craigslist will need a tuneup, brakes, shock work, etc., that right there is hundreds of dollars alone on top of say a $300-$400 used trek.
Thank you for helping me make my decision to buy this wonderful machine company with their third-party protection plan the idea seems flawless if I don't plan to use it for downhill or jumps and plan a few upgrades as well
Thanks for the advice on taking mt newly purchased bike to my local bike shop to set it up and make sure it's safe. I know nothing of bikes and about to embark into the adventures of owning one. I'm leaning towards a Giant ATX 2. I like the Neon Orange.
I have the Giant Talon 3. It is good since it has hydraulic disc brakes but it does have a 2 by 8 speed. The fork on it is an SR Suntour XTC which is very similar to the XCM. The Talon 3 costs $550 and is very upgradeable.
Just like that.... Dicks sold out online sales as a hour ago. Lol this would have been my 8th bike. Do I need it, no. But would make a great winter fall spring trail and commuter bike.
@@DailyMTBRider I went to a store and got the last one... Floor model it looks like but just happy to get one at the 400 price range... Didn't get the warranty though
Hope you didn't waste $350 on this... with that cash, you could go on craigslist and buy a bit older bike that originally cost between $2500-$4000. There is a low mile top tier Bike listed everyday. a 10 year old pro level bike would blow this nishiki out of the water and give you a riding experience that will make you WANT to ride more than you can imagine. Have you ever ridden a 22lb carbon fiber hartail up a steep hill on a rough singetrack? It's 20 times more fun and rewarding than trying it on a 32 lb single front ring 2018 Nishiki Hardtail.
This is a good option for a low priced bike. Another good option is to look on craigslist for high-end bikes that are older. A year ago I found a 2013 specialized Stumpjumper Marathon hardtail for $800. By far the best bike I ever owned.
The only mountain biker on youtube that wears gloves! As someone that also appreciates his hands… well done Fast forward 5 years and this bike now cost $750 and comes with a microshift 1x11 system
@@hugosandoval9418 wow, now it's no different than at that price point. fuck these companies that would rather sell less at a higher price than more at a lower price
@avalanchesoul So you DON'T want your beloved sport to thrive? Selfish thinking right there. I always like sharing my hobbies with friends and family. If I can get them interested in doing something active and adventurous, why not?
@avalanchesoul Also, you're overestimating how popular MTB could get. It'll NEVER get to the level (in terms of crowding), b/c it's a niche sport. It ain't like snowboarding where EVERYONE goes just because it's winter. MTB is much more niche. Don't spread hate, spread love please.
Support your local tech, and don’t forget to bring them a sixer of craft or belgian. Especially if they are tuning your department store pile. Also, learn how to replace a derailer hanger in the field. Those things are supposed to snap off.
jeffry fernandez you took a cowardly dump on a fine point for apparently no reason except to be a passive aggressive little creep. Crawl back into your hole.
Started going for walks with my sis,& niece been seen a lot of bikers looks fun … looking for some good quality ,not over price since I gatta get me &both of them one this vid helped ALOT
If you guys are referring to me yes vitus is English brand but the US dollar runs the world and it's amazingly beautiful thing shipping is only 65 bucks so for $420 you get the mountain bike of the Year 3 years in a row for less than that department store bike
This video confirmed that I'm gonna get the colorado. Gonna go to dicks tomorrow and look at the bike and almost sure I'll buy it from there Also love the videos keep it up! Honest reviews man!!
Made my own recumbent bike from scrap, two years ago.The only bike I bought at the same time was a cheap electric assist mountain bike for work, mainly.
I have some pretty good trails around me and I live in Oklahoma. I want to move to a even better mountain biking state like Arkansas but I am making the most of my trails now
Victor oh for some reason I thought you where saying you couldn't ride because you where not in a "good mountain biking state", but now I see that isn't what you said at all. Yea the local bike shops near me seem pretty OK but I haven't settled on which one is "my shop" yet so I am a tourist. Some do seem to be just a bit more accustom to selling a family bikes then mountain bikes.
Hi, Happy Holidays! I picked this bike up last night. What is the deal with the front QR. It fell apart on me when I took the front wheel off. Any thoughts. Thanks!
Hey! Took it my LBS. They put QR back together. Apparently I took it off incorrectly, I may have also lost a part. But it’s on and it worked. Thanks for the reply. Getting hydraulic brakes put on as well as new seat post. Found that rotors were warped as well. Have Race face chester as pedals. LBS loved the bike for the price. Thanks again for responding. Happy Holidays!
I work as the dicks bike tech and in my town and the extended warranties are good for some things. Bikes is one bc you get free parts and labor as well as an annual tune up. So basically if anything goes wrong you get free parts. Warranties on other things like lawn chairs are a rip off lol. But the bikes are one thing I would go for.
@@Ryan-iw3zf Hello Ryan.. I want to buy my girlfriend a hybrid 'step thru' for her Bday.. $500 price range.. can you suggest a decent bike for her? She will be using mainly for around town on city streets.. a frame and handlebars that offer a more upright sitting position and comfy seat.. disc brakes and under 10 speeds is fine. Thanks joe NYC
@@Ryan-iw3zf Even your perception that sometimes they're good is wrong, because we can track right down to the vendor and if we see a loss as high as 40%, then we will investigate. 40% is usually unheard of. It's more like 20%. So for all the money the consumer spends, before your own store's markup, we make 80% of that in profit, and your store makes 100% profit. So really the consumer gets about 5% of its money back.
back in ~2006 i got a Specialized Hardrock XC for a little over $400, Shimano Atlus drive train(revo shifters 3x7), was used mostly for commuting to and from classes at college(~10 miles round trip, city/county riding between tarmac, gravel and dirt). it took some abuse, am finally getting around to replacing the rear rim which got bent a few years back and has been sitting since. if you're going to shell out that kinda $ should go to the bike shop and try to get a good name brand that's just going to last, you can also pick up used name brand bikes for WAAAAY under price as well!
I just bought a used 2017 diamondback recoil for 225 delivered from fb marketplace and stock its perfectly fine for me as my first "decent" mtb. Was budgeted for 1200 I figured heck this will be a fun project/build since I've got a bunch of leftover budget!
@@alexgrinage Even the crappiest bearing won't just stop like that. There is something dragging and it's likely the BRAKES since that's the only other thing.
Great series Josh. Sounds like the protection is a no brainer. On the other hand, I'm curious if you called the manufacturer if they have the ability to sell you a derailleur hanger or if they can tell you, oh we used the same one as what's on "X" bike and you can buy that.
That’s my next step for the bike. The Dick’s bike guy said Nishiki doesn’t provide hangers for them - which is just dumb because Dicks is taking back these bikes and eating the cost.
Please update if you can find one. I'm about ready to bite the bullet and purchase this bike but if I cant find simple parts for it that might be a dealbreaker.
There's usually a two or three digit number on the derailleur hanger that you can use to find a replacement. They're usually pretty universal as bike manufacturers design their frames with one in mind instead of designing their own.
derailleurhanger.com/manufacturer/nishiki/ There's some available for Nishiki bikes here. Looks like it might be the second option for the bike in the video, with the number 27, due to the closest match in the model and year.
I work at a DSG store and those bikes are good. They beefed them up this year! 2017 bikes were thinner and cheaper. What did you think of the GT- Ricochet? It is similar style bicycle they carry
Brings back mems of my cheap bike experience. May have been the biggest jump ive landed. 20 or 30 ft. With a crew watching. Landed sweet but didnt see chain was off and got slammed soon after. First and last ride on that one. That bike aint too bad tho for sure.
Well, if you would have looked a year ago, when this was made, you would have seen that price. Since then, the tariffs on certain goods from China have taken effect. As expected, the cost is passed along to the consumer.
Whenever you're buying a cheap bike, just make sure the suspension is not a Suntour XCT. I had one a few years ago, the thing had very weak 28mm stanchions and it was horrible: you could feel a lot of shaking when braking, heavy vibrations in your hands when going through unstable terrain and it jumped back on me a few times scaring the shit out of me more than once before I finally changed it by an air RockShox fork. I don't know if the newer models have better stanchions yet, but just in case, keep an eye on it. My brother in law has a Scott Scale with that same fork on the video (Suntour XCM) and he doesn't complain about it, but can't tell how good or bad is cause I haven't tried it personally and it is his first bike, so he doesn't have a comparison point either.
You know what I love about this series? It's not another $5000 bike review/ride. Gives new riders hope they dont have to spend their life savings on a sled to have a good ride! Great work Josh!
That's the goal man! Thanks for the encouragement!
@@DailyMTBRider Hey man, if that's the goal, let me let you in on a really solid full suspension at an entry level price point. For reference, I ride a 2019 stumpjumper. In trying to get my little brother into mountain biking, I purchased him the diamondback Atroz 2 ($900), and was really impressed with the quality of the frame and build for the money. The ride quality is very nice. It's a quality full sus from a big name, at an entry level price, that's actually worth anyone on a budgets time. Nobody does a proper review on it though, and it is worth it. Seriously, check it out man. It will bring you the views I'm sure of that.
@@DailyMTBRider I'll second this appreciation. This is me. I scooped an old Schwinn Mesa Runner off CL because I wanted to get into MTN biking without knowing anything. As much as I love it, probably not the best for actually hitting trails to learn - especially without suspension. Almost every list for beginners are bikes $1000+
@@DailyMTBRiderThank you,
nice video 💚🚲
can you explain the chainstay position?
The Derailluer Hanger is specifically designed to be weak and break to protect your frame and derailleur. Its $5 piece of cheap alloy thats SUPER easy to remove and install. The bike was fine imo.
5 bucks a piece? what kind of ultra cheap ones are you buying
@@tenhoandersson "high end" ones are like 10-15 Dollars, maybe 20 if its for a 6000 Dollar DH bike etc.
Tenho Andersson it’s cheap
did the dude not know this? if his intention was to keep the bike and make it work, wouldn't it have been easy to just buy a new hanger and reinstall the derailleur? why go through all the trouble of getting a replacement bike?
@@oldfrend Because he wanted to show that you can just buy it and go.
The first one failed so he wanted to see if it was a fluke or a problem those bikes would have for someone who wants to just get out there.
My first mountain bike was a Nishiki Alien I built in college starting with it as a used steel rigid frame in 1990 (pre ACX) that I bought at a local bike store swap meet in Newark Delaware. That frame geometry with the raised stays was revolutionary at the time. Building your own bike with your own component choices, lacing the wheels yourself, compromising only on the things your budget constrains, but picking solid stuff was really satisfying. It didn't have suspension, but it was light for the day. Broke my heart when some fool stole my unlocked rear wheel, and I had to buy a budget rear wheel to replace it.
The bike mechanic is awesome! He's the guy who has a sick camper van that he built
My first bike was a $170 Huffy Scout, changed the pedals, seat and tires. Took that thing all over Colorado without any problems.
uhhh no
Amdiredhel uh no what?
@WeeStrom CO Guy Huffy scout is pretty decent. the travel is really good for a walmart bike
I had two department store MTBs in the 90's, One was a Schwinn and the other I don't even recall but it was a department store only brand and both did great after replacing a couple components that broke, getting the wheels true and tensioned and setting up the brakes and shifting. Two guys can have different experiences with the same bike, rider weight might be a huge factor.
Any bike is better than no bike
Thanks for the DICK'S shout out... I am a mechanic at the local Dick's here in Nashville. That Nishiki Colorado 27.5+ is a really good bike for the money...the trick is, as you said to have it set up properly. My beef with the bike is...I CAN"T GET THEM IN MY REGION to sell in my store...but I sell a boat load of the GT Aggressor Pro's.... I have a IBS background, that I brought with me to Dick's...the bikes that I build are set up properly and ready to go...I can not say that for the other Dick's stores in my area.
I bought a Nishiki mountain bike from Dicks about 9 years ago because of the geometry of the frame.i road it stock back and forth from home to work 13 miles each way, and also on local trails,for about a year,I slowly started upgrading it,its a nice bike for me,I do have other more expensive bikes, but this one is my favorite every day rider.
i can't believe you could explain that much, fluently, while doing downhill 🔥🔥🔥
Yeah ... his jaw works better than his suspention
No wind noise, good bet the audio was added after the fact.
@@jrstf You can get foam over your mic, which cancles out most of the wind noise. So I'm not sure if you're point is right
I ride my bike everyday now because I was encouraged by your channel. It's now my health maintenance medicine.
Ride it where tho?
@@phabeondominguez5971
To your mom's house? She's a great cook, is she not?
@@CKRlll CKR still mad cuz Im seeing his sister. Bro she is the one that chased me, I'm butt UGLY so not sure what she sees in me.. IM jus glad your mother taught her how to cook or I'd be wasting my time right?
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@@phabeondominguez5971
Why would I be mad that you're seeing my transgender sister on the low, bro?
@@CKRlll bwa haha, well played.. ya remind me of a younger me man, and in my youth I would have kept this little war going forever and ever.. but now with many moons behind me, I can let it go WITHOUT having to get the last word in.. wait, never mind, something just came to me... You say yo sister is transgender, so just like her brother, aka you!!
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That bike seems like the unicorn we've been looking for. Really not sure why more companies don't make something along those lines, It'd be super easy to recommend. Either way, good on you for finding this. Looks like it has everything you'd hope for a decent starter bike!
Skills With Phil I dont see why they cant slap a tapered head tube on it. Cant really cost more than the straight tube. A tapered steer tube on this bike would make it truly a unicorn. I looked long and hard at this bike but the lack of fork options caused me to pass. I really wanted this bike.
phil,aren't you the unicorn? ;-)
Eh, the tapered head tube can be mitigated with an external cup headset like one that Cane Creek sells, and I think there's a couple of cheaper options for bottom cups I found on Amazon if that's such a big problem. Little things like bottom bracket stiffness would also really start taking away from the riding of it if you started upgrading >50% the bike's original value in parts and rode it accordingly.
Source: upgraded up a bike and replacing the entire bike except for the frame did not resolve the problem of the frame not being built to specs of everything else. Frame still warps too much from cranking. New bike started with selecting the most hardcore frame, then figuring out the rest.
Phil better than your tokul?🤔
@@notachance8887 it's easier to get a straight tube in big quantities because of demand because more tapered tubes are made and wanted the price goes up
Can you purchase that $50 protection plan for $6000 bikes? Because if so we might finally be able to stop living in a van and get an apartment! hahaha
haha if only man! We'd all be turning in claims left and right!
Awesome MTB fuck that I live in a tent and ride a $10k road bike and ride 1600 miles a month! Priorities man 😂🚴🏼
Living in a van down by the river!! LOL
Awesome MTB get renters insurance and put your bike on there as a special item. Trust me, you’ll thank me later.
Mom and Dad's basement always nice to and if they don't have one you can always dig yourself, And if they don't want to let you do that there's always the Attic!
Dude, you are insane! I can't believe how effortlessly you talk when you are FLYING on a wet trail on a cheap bike!
Very important to check all the nut and bolts before leaving the Store with new bike, i recently purchased a MTB and front QRL was loose, thank God I checked before riding.
Love the energy, positivity, humor and enthusiasm. We need more young Americans like you!
In college I bought a $100 mongoose mountain bike from walmart. I road it to class the next day. When I was riding up a hill to my dorm I bent the handlebars. I left it locked to the bike rack at the dorm next to 100 other bikes and never unlocked it. That was ten years ago. I just bought my next bike, a Trek Session 9.9 Carbon, the handlebars feel pretty solid.
I bought my specialized rockhopper with tons of upgrades from my local bike shop for $350 (used). The bike was originally around $800 so you can get a higher end bike for a cheaper price if you go to your local bike shop!!
My friend's brother was into drugs and he sold me his $900 Cannondale for $100!
@@RustyX2010 You got a better bargain than the OP lol
What upgrades did they give you?
And I would bet the Rockhoppet is 5 Lbs lighter....
Check out Pinkbike as well, great deals on used bikes
I would be very interested in a long term test on this bike. Say like once you gift it to your friend, maybe revisit how it is holding up. That would be very helpful information to have.
I rode a Nishiki road bike with paneers , tent , sleeping bag, minimal cooking gear all over Europe back in the day. She held up to lots of miles / abuse !! It was a great buy.
Think of the rear derailleur hanger as a fuse. It breaks so something else more expensive doesn't (frame/rear derailleur). I always carry a spare with me.
It's not so much that this bike is inexpensive, it's that other name brand bikes are crazy over priced.
Thats why i built my newest trailbike by myself... to be honest it wasn't that hard or complicated. Not only i saved some money but i got bike just for me and how i wanted it. And it was a fun quarantine project.
@Dylan Wyant some of the things i bought on sale from germany (fox 140mm fork) thanks to my friend and some from local shops.... few things i bought second hand like front bar and dropper post (guy i bought it from took it off a brand new bike and exchanged it for "standard" carbon one), the biggest issue was to get the frame at a decent price but i found one on sale after like two weeks of checking out the shops in my country (frame had one deep scratch on it, so the price was lower), i had to drive 2 hours to get it tho.... in the end its all about the time you are willing to invest in it i guess, but i live in Europe so i dont know if it will be somehow relevant to you
I don't know. I test road bikes in the $400-700 range. Then I tried a specialized stunt jumper and the difference was unbelievable
Agreed Super Kyle!
It's a tough topic for sure... True bike enthusiasts will certainly see the value is a true high end top spec expensive MTB. These bikes generally in this price range are truly utterly garbage to a enthusiast and can point out 100 flaws and negative reasons to never buy a bike like this... But on the other hand it's a great review to give an honest enthusiast riders perspective and actually give it credit. I think for the average hard tail rider that wants something inexpensive and will ride it seldom... Great choice! But like you said Fred... It will in NO WAY touch or compare to a true high end MTB. Specialized are great bikes with excellent up to date geometry but many will argue it's overpriced for the spec you get compared to some others in that same price range... But I really feel that your paying a premium with Specialized not only for the bike but rather the built in industry leading service one will receive owning a Specialized product. Service is GOLDEN!!
I bought all my stuff from Mike at Mister Lost bike shop....that guy is legit! Love Mister Lost
You said it right at the beginning why this only costs 400$ , it’s “HEAVY”!
My dad works at DSG as a bike tech, but he has worked at real bike shops before. He totally set me up with a Nishiki Pueblo. A lot of customers like him because he brings professional bike shop knowledge and customer service to a chain department store. He knows what he’s doing. (I’m kind of regretting not getting that GT he wanted me to get.)
The bike must be decent because it went up in price since this video was made. It’s now $650 and that’s on sale from $760!
all bikes went way up in price. lots of demand lately with the shutdowns plus the stimulus checks.
Just gougers doing their thing. Don't give in.
Another GREAT video I can personally relate to... I first got into MTB 7 years ago on a $350 Diamondback from DSG. The protection plan is an absolute necessity if you plan on riding actual trails, as the entry level bike just do not hold up long term. But, like you said, DSG is awesome about working with you if something isnt working out. I actually upgraded to an $800 Diamondback about 6 months later (with protection plan of course) and even that bike didnt hold up long term. Eventually, DSG agreed to refund my total purchase and I bought a proper bike from a local bike shop. Personally, I would advise someone looking to get into MTB to buy the best USED bike they can for their budget... a $400 1 or 2 year old Trek or Specialized is going to be a better (more durable) option IMO
I cant recommend used. But you can buy new bikes a few years old on ebay for well below retail. Also you can find great sales at nashbar and many other mail order companies. You just got to look.
Thank you for not recommending a bike that's 4 figures.
You clearly didn't watch the video... out the door price $435...
You mean recommending a bike that's not 4 figures?
Landin Waldrip | Mate. There are three figures in $435...... stop trying to be a know it all. A four figure bike is something that’s $1000 to $9999. Not $435.
@@FABRCTR wow. you're the worst kind of stupid - a know it all that doesn't know anything.
I read OP comment wrong. Thanks for being douche bags...lol
wish i knew about this before i got my bike! with that being said i really love my $700 specialized rockhopper!
i bought a bike from a local non chain bike shop for £320 on the 7th of October 2017 i took it back 2-3 times to true the wheel and things like that and had to buy a new derraliuer and its still going i have upgraded now but its still going and it was a great way to get into the sport (the bike was a bergamont roxtar 3.0 i upgraded to a 2008 orange patriot)
My husband and I have enjoyed your videos as you have seemed to be genuine and real. It seems as if this time you might be sponsored and that's alright as you are being gracious to Dick's. Just be straightup...always be straightup if you are sponsered. Lord bless you. We appreciate your videos.
We still appreciate your honesty about this bike being heavy and all the advice.
We will still watch your videos as you rate bikes as we trust your experience.
I think this is a good video because it helps crack the myth that you need to spend thousands of dollars for a "decent" bike. You don't. In fact, $400-$500 will get you a very good bike from any chain store that offers bikes in that range. People spending $2,000+ on the fork alone are just fooling themselves if they thing that's translating to some kind of performance advantage, just like paying 10x more for a few parts that save you 1/2 a pound or two in weight. You'll see a lot of people swearing it's better, but never any empirical data to back up the claims.
I actually bought a walmart GMC road bike for $120 just for its frame. I then stripped it down and replaced it with quality components mainly a Shimano 105 drivetrain (including brakes) along with shimano wheels. It had a fixed quill type stem which I replaced with a convert that allows the use of standard stems, nice easton handlebars. The headset is the original loose bearing type which I just cleaned and regreased. Super smooth. The bike turned out awesome, with a total cost around $800. Now a bike of similar "quality" going by the components used would easily start around $1,500 and more likely approach $2,000.
I'm in the process of doing the same with a 27.5 MTB/urban bike...but this time I went with a nicer CroMo frameset that cost $240. When all is said and done I'll have about $1,100 into the bike, but it has a 1x10 Shimano Zee drivetrain, shimano deore hydraulic disc brakes, floating disc rotors, inferno 27 wheels with novatec d041/d042 hubs and sapim race spokes (built wheels myself). This bike I'm building is easily something you'd pay over $2,500 for if purchased from a store or shop...and honestly, diminishing returns kick in hard right around the $1000 mark - meaning that you spend a lot more money but get little or not real benefit. I say that because all of the components I've selected are pretty much "best in class" in terms of TANGIBLE performance and durability.
What $2000+ fork are you talking about? Even a RS BoXXer costs less and there's a significant performance upgrade from a $200 fork. My Rockshox Yari is about $700 and it still feels like crap at the bikepark due to the basic damper that I plan to upgrade. I will admit that you can get a nice bike going with a Walmart frame and upgrading the parts, but the more expensive frames are better in terms of geometry and build quality. Also I find your build weird, since you went with a zee drivetrain (11-25t cassette) and deore brakes instead of the other way around. I would have personally put on zee brakes for extra power and a deore drivetrain for the extra gear range.
@@i_eatstyrofoam Did I specify a fork? No, I stated ANY FORK OVER $2,000. Why do I need extra gear range? Do you know where and how I ride so that you're going to sit there and advise me how I should have built my bike? The Zee rear derailleur is one of the best on the market in terms of shifting performance... and the M6000 brakes are more than sufficient for me and probably for 99% of the riders out there.
The fact that you're making assumptions about people you don't even know, coupled with your idiotic claims about forks based purely on your opinion, suggests to me that you're one of those cucks who talks a lot of shit because you are full of a lot of shit...and has the need to justify his idiotic multi-thousand dollar expenditures on bike components that offer no measurable benefit so he can feel like a special snowflake.
20 something years ago I bought a Nishiki Pueblo Mountain bike when I was stationed at Fort Hood and didn't know the difference between cheap and expensive bikes. I rode that bike every day... back and forth to the motor pool, mess hall... gym... everywhere. Lots of G.I.s did the same thing. I rode it for years and just wore it out. I paid $199 for it and worth every penny.
I actually used to work for Dick's Sporting Goods, and I gotta say definitely go for the protection plan. Like you said it's like 50 bucks and if your store has a dedicated bike tech like I was, they can get anything through the warranty company, just gotta try a few times till someone says yes. Also if you store has a bike tech who is actually there for that job and likes their job you shouldn't have to take it to a bike shop. We get like 40 hours of training for the bike tech position, and bikes are all very basic, but that may just be because I am also an auto mechanic. I definitely know that the other guys who worked bikes at that shop before me did not put the level of effort into it that I did, so really just get to know your DSG and gauge it off that.
The guy at mine, Jody, did a really good job setting it up! It was nice having peace of mind with Mike checking everything over though
@Pastor Glock ??? are you taking about DSG taking AR rifles off their shelves? Don't worry, my department gives me the ability to order them directly so I don't have to go through a store. Keep on preaching though pastor.
2 years and my Colorado Comp runs amazing. Self service myself so it runs to my liking and personal setup (As it should be). I ride it pretty hard and the derailleur has had zero issues as some said they have had theirs fail. I could be lucky. For a 1x11 27.5 department store bike it was worth it. I’ve had treks, cannondales, Diamondbacks, and I would say it competes but doesn’t beat those. It’s a great training bike because it’s on the heavy side.
I've been watching tons of videos lately because I want to get into mountain biking, so looking for an affordable entry level bike has been a nightmare. Seeing comments like yours are invaluable. Might have to look into this bike a little more.
I bought this bike and upgraded the components, kept the front shock, new hydraulic brakes, kept the crank set and cassette, new rims and tires! Super awesome frame! My custom Colorado is a great bike!
Owner of a 29er Colorado for the last four years. Only used it on trails maybe 1/5th of the time, but it's held up well. Sure enough the rear derailleur has been the only flaw. After about three years and over 1,000 miles I let a family member use the bike for a couple of weeks while away for work. Came back and started riding it on a trail and noticed that the chain was catching. A few minutes later the derailleur snapped and bent the mount for it. Other then that and the rear inner tube nothing else has needed replacement.
IDEA: You and I have a $50 budget each to buy a bike and the mission is to do 1 top to bottom lap on Chuckanut and make it to the bottom ALIVE.
That is an amazing idea! The winner is the one who 1. get's down the fastest 2. Bike is most rideable afterward 3. Has the most reflectors..... I've got this in the bag 😂
@Daily MTB Rider @mister lost bike shop LET THE GAMES BEGIN! I’m rooting for ya!
Mister Lost Bike Shop does it count if you get to the bottoms unconscious BUT ALIVE.
@@djmystery7235 Shoot, I'll have to plan out the rules to see if consciousness is necessary hahaha.
"alive" sounds pretty hard to accomplish with that budget... how bout half dead?
Swap out few parts and that thing would be a pretty decent bike given the price. Also in my own opinion broken derailleur hanger is just doing its job to protect the derailleur and bike frame.
Yeah, but instead of buying some new parts to add to it, why not take that extra money and buy a better bike?
@@richarde1355 cuz im new in biking and in MY experience it's not good to buy the more expensive things when you're a beginner. I get bored of things quickly so in not risking it. Plus it's easier for me to get a new bike for 450€ and then upgrade slowly the broken parts than to ditch out 1300€
Harpacentrenial Busavoz why buy a cheap bike with the intention of spending money to make it better with upgrades? Why not just use that upgrade money to buy a better bike?
@@richarde1355 I think Turko already stated it: You don't want to dish out 1300+ immediately if you're only starting out. That's a fool's errand because what if you realize that MTB is not for you? 1300 is a lot more to waste than 450~.
@@OmegaF77 plus....whether you spend $400 on parts for a cheaper bike or spending an extra $400 on a more expensive bike....it's THE SAME THING. Your spending $400. Who cares if you spend it on a complete bike or build it up. In fact, you'll learn more about your bike and fixing it when you build it up. Not to mention at the end of the fiscal year, your giving the middle finger financially to the over-priced companies who spend more on advertising than sponsoring local riders. Anyhow, got off topic a bit... curious why two different commentators seemed to promote spending money right away on a 'better bike' than upgrading. .which seems weird to me.
I sold this model Nishiki back in the 80s at a shop in Wisconsin. My buddy bought a Nishiki Ariel as his first bike in 89. Our bikes were about $400 back then. Good history here - great value!
Nishiki has been around for along time my 82 year old grand father has a nishiki road bike he purchased in his late 20's.
Thank you for speaking out for those of us who are broke XD I've ridden a Genisis Walmart full suspension bike for years and I've had a blast. I have made it down black diamond trails and quite a phew jump lines and I am still riding today. I don't have the money to get an "entry level" bike and much less a top end bike. However, I have ridden different Walmart bikes since I was 6 and I won't be stopping any time soon. Thank you for seeing the good in the simplistic and standing up for those who don't have the money to ride expensive bikes. I love the channel. Keep it up!!
Yea I find it annoying when "Experts" automatically suggest expensive ass bikes to beginners on budget... Like whoa , relax... Nobody ever knows how much somebody's actually going to ride the bike. Will the beginner ride every day or is it gonna sit and collect dust in the garage, collect rust in the backyard, etc... Not everybody who decides to buy a bike is going to be some bike lover who tracks miles, wants the lightest bike out there, makes upgrades just to reduce GRAMS, jumps 15 ft hills, etc. I ride my bike several times a week as a workout and don't need a $500+ bike. My new $200 schwinn has been really good to me for riding around town, finding parks, trails and just going for a relaxing ride to ease my mind. I don't think "man, I could probably ride 12 miles in an hour instead of 10 if I just upgrade everything to lighter parts" 🙄. The point is to have fun. Unless you're a professional cyclist, any functioning bike should fit your needs.
The genesis oh noooo in the previous videos I watch a TH-cam destroy one of those genesis full suspension
@@taylor3008 Yeah, Seth had a video on his channel about it. Thankfully it lasted a little longer but I did modify it some which helped for sure.
@Dmac 740 I actually just did. I got a full suspension Santa Cruz from a friend for a decent price. It's a world of a difference for sure lol
Isnt that hook designed to break or bend? Isnt that the point of it?
Yes. He just stupid.
Kandi Klover no he’s annoyed
@@KandiKlover no he isn't why do you say that?
Thanks for making this video and letting us know your thoughts on this bike. My current MTB is a 2009 Trek 820 and it's been great to work with over the years but I'm looking for some newer and this video was really helpful! Thanks again! Keep the good informative videos coming!!!
"Shreddy to go", going to try not to say this but there are no promises. LOL
Been trying to get back into mountain biking, but the prices are outrageous on some of them. I bought both of my atvs (used, of course) for less than some of these bikes. Really wanted to try a plus-size tire bike,and this might be the way to go. I still have a basement full of bike parts, so upgrading will be easy. Thanks for the video!
IMO a Chain Guide is a definite must on a hard tail. It is really the first upgrade you should do to a MTB that is used on blue or red trails. There is so much chain slap that the chain can come of the front chain ring and then get tangled up in the rear wheel and tear the drop-out hanger off the bike. Derailleur manufacturers have figured it out too, hence rear derailleurs with adjustable tension clutches. It's even highly recommended on full suspension MTBs to install chain guides. I dropped a chain and tore the drop-out hanger on my GT Force full suspension. Since I installed a chain guide I've had zero chain drops. If the bike has an ISCG or ISCG-05 3-bolt mount on the bottom bracket then get a combo chain guide + bash guard, like an MRP AMG v2. I've been an an avid cyclist, road & MTB all my life. I wrenched in high end bike shops from age 16 to 23. Then I moved on to race cars. Retired now and having fun.
Worst case scenario, you can upgrade the fork to a tapered fork with the cane creek headset conversion kit. It will change the geometry of the front of the bike by about 10mm... which honestly can be made up for in sag, or a fork with 10mm less travel, or really just look past the whole 10mm and not worry about it because well... it’s only 10mm.. I’ve been looking at this bike a lot because I wanna have a friend get it for his first mtb. I’m glad someone did a real review on it. Because it will be jumped, it will be ridden on More techy flows trails, and the rider will be a bigger than average dude. This was a good review Josh. Thanks for this. It will help him be more confident in the purchase.
I believe the cane creek conversion kit was made for a 1 1/2 steerer tube not the traditional 1 1/6 (the traditional size might actually be 1 1/8) steerer tube
Even it is is compatible, the cost becomes questionable on a budget bike. Besides there are great forks out for a 1 1/8 tube set. I used a Rockshox 30 Gold Rl on my Diamondback.
Tried that coversion it does not work on this steer tube.
for those looking for a bike in the $400-$500 range, used bikes off Craigslist or pinkbike are another good option
True true true!
That IS a good option... but that drivetrain... with a warranty!?!? It's like a limp member... hard to beat! ;)
I bought this bike and before I looked on Craigslist and all they have is a bunch of old bikes from 10 years ago that people are selling for overpriced .might as well get this bike. I've had it for 3 months so far only thing that happened was I broke the chain and half might have been my fault I was in the middle of changing gears
*Stolen bikes
Most definitely. A $1000+ little used bike for half price...
Thanks for the review. I appreciate this especially when I'm looking to get into the sport. This was extremely helpful!
Back like 07 08. I had got a 400 dollar diamond back hard tail. Adjustable front forks twin disc. Square ish frame. Ive ridden hard trails out here still have it now. Changed the rear tire once. I beat it up and its held up GREAT. Ended up cutting the bars cuz to wide and changed the crank.
I must say you are a pretty good rider Mate. I bought a $1000 Giant Merlin 6 bike and did a crazy blue trail run and I am glad I did not even think about failing parts. Well I should add I bought it from a Giant retail store in Australia. Thanks for all the tips anyways.
Good stuff, an honest review without an elitist attitude. Really good stuff!!!
Dude, great review. Sitting on my ass here in Florida watching this video made me wanna go buy a bike and move west. Thanks and keep up the great reviews.
Smartest thing you said, "move"! Florida sucks
California really is t any better voters have run that state to the ground
@@RobertoRodriguez-nq3kq You're a dumb ass. The topic was focused on terrain and for me, that includes fast motorcycles. I've asked a few Florida sport bike riders where do they find twisty roads and the answer was, "onramps and offramps". Any "flat state" would suck for a mountain biker or motorcyclist, unless all you do is slab it on a cruiser bike. You gotta be from one of those broke red states, California has the extremes and variety in terrain with mountains, deserts, beaches, forests, etc. You can surf in the morning and be snow skiing later that day. That is why I love the state, plus, the weather doesn't suck with low humidity in the summer and moderate temps in the winter, unless you live in the mountains. We are the 5th-7th largest economy in the world, a nation state. We should secede because I'm tired of financially bailing out unappreciative red states. Just a couple issues that I don't like, over population and ridiculous home and rental costs.
what kinda stabilization do you have on your camera. Dang.... handling them bumps like smooooooth bro.
My 1997 Nishiki Colorado was my first mtb. Raced it for years .Great bike.
My first mtb was a Nishiki Colorado that I purchased in 1986 from my LBS in Maryland. Probably the exact same price back then, ha! This video was a trip down memory lane.
Just ordered mine yesterday, I can't wait!
Stoked for you man!
Just discovered your channel. This is an awesome video. SO GREAT to see someone reviewing MTBs under 1k. You dont have to have a magazine cover bike to have FUN! Most of the reviews in magazines and online are for full suspension bikes that are 3k plus! And then people wonder why people hesitate to get into the sport. Keep up the good work!
Not much of a review though. More like a personal opinion.
Don't forget the diamnondback hook is not much more and lighter and better quality but great review
I bought a really nice mongoose, it worked great under $400
My 1st MTB was a $350. 1992 KHS Montana Crest. I beat up some knarly N.E. trails on that thing! Only problem I had was killing forks. Put on a Rock Shox set and was good to go.
Really liked your honesty, $400 is steep but a goal I can shoot for.
Adrian Angus Just look on Craigslist, know what you’re looking for and you’ll get a great $800+ msrp bike for around $200
@@wolfenstein731 This is still the cheapest way to get a decent plus bike experience. I have yet to find a name brand 27.5+ for less than $800 used, and most of the cheap ones don't have this 1x drivetrain.
Keep in mind tho most used bikes sold on craigslist will need a tuneup, brakes, shock work, etc., that right there is hundreds of dollars alone on top of say a $300-$400 used trek.
It's actually $800 at Dick's, and a garbage bike. Buy a better bike used off Craigslist.
Buy used!
Thank you for helping me make my decision to buy this wonderful machine company with their third-party protection plan the idea seems flawless if I don't plan to use it for downhill or jumps and plan a few upgrades as well
I have a Wal-Mart roadmaster Shimon spirit xl and I love it.
i put a lotta miles on a roadmaster granite peak
Thanks for the advice on taking mt newly purchased bike to my local bike shop to set it up and make sure it's safe. I know nothing of bikes and about to embark into the adventures of owning one. I'm leaning towards a Giant ATX 2. I like the Neon Orange.
I have the Giant Talon 3. It is good since it has hydraulic disc brakes but it does have a 2 by 8 speed. The fork on it is an SR Suntour XTC which is very similar to the XCM. The Talon 3 costs $550 and is very upgradeable.
"Shready to go." Nice. Nice rig too.
I saw in the video right as I saw your comment.
Just like that.... Dicks sold out online sales as a hour ago. Lol this would have been my 8th bike. Do I need it, no. But would make a great winter fall spring trail and commuter bike.
Thanks for sharing Rafael - that's a bummer that they sold out!
@@DailyMTBRider I went to a store and got the last one... Floor model it looks like but just happy to get one at the 400 price range... Didn't get the warranty though
I'm definitely going to buy this one
Is $349 where I live I cant pass this good deal thanks for making a review for this bike 🤙🏽
Hope you didn't waste $350 on this... with that cash, you could go on craigslist and buy a bit older bike that originally cost between $2500-$4000. There is a low mile top tier Bike listed everyday. a 10 year old pro level bike would blow this nishiki out of the water and give you a riding experience that will make you WANT to ride more than you can imagine. Have you ever ridden a 22lb carbon fiber hartail up a steep hill on a rough singetrack? It's 20 times more fun and rewarding than trying it on a 32 lb single front ring 2018 Nishiki Hardtail.
This is a good option for a low priced bike. Another good option is to look on craigslist for high-end bikes that are older. A year ago I found a 2013 specialized Stumpjumper Marathon hardtail for $800. By far the best bike I ever owned.
Bought a Nishiki Manitoba when I was 16, I’m 42 now. Was a great bike. Nice Shimano hardware before they were everywhere
I love your videos Josh! 🤘🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻 You got a great style in your video making and we like that!
Thanks Tomi that means a ton!
His videos are PURE 🔥
@@sickcunt9386 Wow I'm actually seeing you in every comment section! Haha
BTW how old are you Sam?
@@th_js 😂😂 that's what I was thinking I'm 15
Ok, I'm 4 months to 15 also what bike do you have?
I bought a Raleigh 27.5 hydraulic brake system.
It's a beautiful ride.
Paid $500.00. out the door.
I just started watching your vids but I gotta say that I'm loving the informationals
Thanks man! Stoked to have you on board!
The only mountain biker on youtube that wears gloves! As someone that also appreciates his hands… well done
Fast forward 5 years and this bike now cost $750 and comes with a microshift 1x11 system
Thanks man. Was not ready to spend so much on a starter bike. This is more affordable and I think I'm going for it
Where the heck are you getting this for $400? It's $650 where I live - how you finding it for $400?
This was a year ago, before covid. Bikes are still harder to get in most areas right now. Sure it's a supply and demand gouge.
Buy used anyway. You will get a better bike for less then you can put some tlc in.
James Rende he used a discount. Also, he says dicks saw his video and decided to increase the price lol
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@@hugosandoval9418 wow, now it's no different than at that price point. fuck these companies that would rather sell less at a higher price than more at a lower price
I'm glad that department store bikes are actually getting better. It means more people joining this amazing sport
You and me both man! My hope is 10 years down the line every 400-500 dollar bike is a winner
Agree
@avalanchesoul you don't own the trails kid.
@avalanchesoul So you DON'T want your beloved sport to thrive? Selfish thinking right there. I always like sharing my hobbies with friends and family. If I can get them interested in doing something active and adventurous, why not?
@avalanchesoul Also, you're overestimating how popular MTB could get. It'll NEVER get to the level (in terms of crowding), b/c it's a niche sport. It ain't like snowboarding where EVERYONE goes just because it's winter. MTB is much more niche. Don't spread hate, spread love please.
Support your local tech, and don’t forget to bring them a sixer of craft or belgian. Especially if they are tuning your department store pile. Also, learn how to replace a derailer hanger in the field. Those things are supposed to snap off.
Hell yeah! Lol
Why bring them beer after they charge you as much or more than your auto mechanic? Maybe you live in a world where they charge less than doctors.
jeffry fernandez go find something else to troll, a-hole.
@@radiohead1911 not trolling. Just speaking the truth. You do what you want.
jeffry fernandez you took a cowardly dump on a fine point for apparently no reason except to be a passive aggressive little creep. Crawl back into your hole.
Started going for walks with my sis,& niece been seen a lot of bikers looks fun … looking for some good quality ,not over price since I gatta get me &both of them one this vid helped ALOT
Budget bikes can really kick ass. It’s all about getting past the stereotypes, brands and riders have to do that. Nice video man.
U should check out the voodoo bizango bike it’s a £650 bike with 1 by 11 and 130mm fork and hydraulic brakes and a internally routed dropper post
Vitus nucleus 275 V 359$
That's a British bike, this guy is in America.
TH-cam Comments Suck that’s a good point.
If you guys are referring to me yes vitus is English brand but the US dollar runs the world and it's amazingly beautiful thing shipping is only 65 bucks so for $420 you get the mountain bike of the Year 3 years in a row for less than that department store bike
Nice one I do have a cheap hard tail that I can upgrade too for some components. 👌🏼
This video confirmed that I'm gonna get the colorado. Gonna go to dicks tomorrow and look at the bike and almost sure I'll buy it from there
Also love the videos keep it up! Honest reviews man!!
Nice Blewyd! let me know if you get one! I think you'll love it!
@@DailyMTBRider I'm so exited to go tomorrow and upgrade from a 100 dollar Walmart bike to this beast of a bike for the price.
Made my own recumbent bike from scrap, two years ago.The only bike I bought at the same time was a cheap electric assist mountain bike for work, mainly.
That's actually pretty amazing that he can narrate a video while blasting down the mountain.
I pray that whenever I move to a nice mountain biking state that I find a good bike shop like that
once you find a great one, you wonder how you lived without ont!
I moved to Florida and thought I'd never mountain bike again, I was way wrong, you can do it anywhere!
What state are you in? try the mtb project site or app to see what trails are near you you might be surprised
I have some pretty good trails around me and I live in Oklahoma. I want to move to a even better mountain biking state like Arkansas but I am making the most of my trails now
Victor oh for some reason I thought you where saying you couldn't ride because you where not in a "good mountain biking state", but now I see that isn't what you said at all. Yea the local bike shops near me seem pretty OK but I haven't settled on which one is "my shop" yet so I am a tourist. Some do seem to be just a bit more accustom to selling a family bikes then mountain bikes.
I own this bike and love it
Hi, Happy Holidays! I picked this bike up last night. What is the deal with the front QR. It fell apart on me when I took the front wheel off. Any thoughts. Thanks!
Or try screwing it back in maybe?
Hey! Took it my LBS. They put QR back together. Apparently I took it off incorrectly, I may have also lost a part. But it’s on and it worked. Thanks for the reply. Getting hydraulic brakes put on as well as new seat post. Found that rotors were warped as well. Have Race face chester as pedals. LBS loved the bike for the price. Thanks again for responding. Happy Holidays!
@@fraji1 no problem. Merry Christmas
Did sit last long?
Never buy the extended warranty. I work for an extended warranty company. It's just a pass-the-blame adversarial claim.
I work as the dicks bike tech and in my town and the extended warranties are good for some things. Bikes is one bc you get free parts and labor as well as an annual tune up. So basically if anything goes wrong you get free parts. Warranties on other things like lawn chairs are a rip off lol. But the bikes are one thing I would go for.
@@Ryan-iw3zf Hello Ryan.. I want to buy my girlfriend a hybrid 'step thru' for her Bday.. $500 price range.. can you suggest a decent bike for her? She will be using mainly for around town on city streets.. a frame and handlebars that offer a more upright sitting position and comfy seat.. disc brakes and under 10 speeds is fine.
Thanks
joe
NYC
stateniland there’s nice Giant bikes that cost around that much. Check their site and maybe you’ll find one that works.
@@Ryan-iw3zf No they're not. They use science and math to make sure the consumer loses in the long run.
@@Ryan-iw3zf Even your perception that sometimes they're good is wrong, because we can track right down to the vendor and if we see a loss as high as 40%, then we will investigate. 40% is usually unheard of. It's more like 20%. So for all the money the consumer spends, before your own store's markup, we make 80% of that in profit, and your store makes 100% profit. So really the consumer gets about 5% of its money back.
back in ~2006 i got a Specialized Hardrock XC for a little over $400, Shimano Atlus drive train(revo shifters 3x7), was used mostly for commuting to and from classes at college(~10 miles round trip, city/county riding between tarmac, gravel and dirt). it took some abuse, am finally getting around to replacing the rear rim which got bent a few years back and has been sitting since. if you're going to shell out that kinda $ should go to the bike shop and try to get a good name brand that's just going to last, you can also pick up used name brand bikes for WAAAAY under price as well!
I just bought a used 2017 diamondback recoil for 225 delivered from fb marketplace and stock its perfectly fine for me as my first "decent" mtb. Was budgeted for 1200 I figured heck this will be a fun project/build since I've got a bunch of leftover budget!
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Idk much about bikes
But that back wheel seemed to stop much more quickly than it should🤔
The brakes are rubbing. He need to loose the brakes a little bit.
@@kuldeeprao5145 it's a shitty bike the bearings are sub par at best. The breaks aren't rubbing.
@@alexgrinage not necessarily, low end discs tend to not be very true.
@@alexgrinage Even the crappiest bearing won't just stop like that. There is something dragging and it's likely the BRAKES since that's the only other thing.
The cassette slowed it down😆😆
Great series Josh. Sounds like the protection is a no brainer. On the other hand, I'm curious if you called the manufacturer if they have the ability to sell you a derailleur hanger or if they can tell you, oh we used the same one as what's on "X" bike and you can buy that.
That’s my next step for the bike. The Dick’s bike guy said Nishiki doesn’t provide hangers for them - which is just dumb because Dicks is taking back these bikes and eating the cost.
Daily MTB Rider I know a guy that could probably machine one. 🧐🤘
Please update if you can find one. I'm about ready to bite the bullet and purchase this bike but if I cant find simple parts for it that might be a dealbreaker.
There's usually a two or three digit number on the derailleur hanger that you can use to find a replacement. They're usually pretty universal as bike manufacturers design their frames with one in mind instead of designing their own.
derailleurhanger.com/manufacturer/nishiki/ There's some available for Nishiki bikes here. Looks like it might be the second option for the bike in the video, with the number 27, due to the closest match in the model and year.
I work at a DSG store and those bikes are good. They beefed them up this year! 2017 bikes were thinner and cheaper. What did you think of the GT- Ricochet? It is similar style bicycle they carry
I like the way the frame comes out from the chain
Brings back mems of my cheap bike experience. May have been the biggest jump ive landed. 20 or 30 ft. With a crew watching. Landed sweet but didnt see chain was off and got slammed soon after. First and last ride on that one. That bike aint too bad tho for sure.
i hate how they always say 400 no it’s 800 and they only go down to 600 if your really lucky to get it on sale
Well, if you would have looked a year ago, when this was made, you would have seen that price. Since then, the tariffs on certain goods from China have taken effect. As expected, the cost is passed along to the consumer.
KevCentral made a video on the price increase of many bikes. The Nishiki really did cost 400 at the time of this video
Rename the the title graphic to “$800 bike rocks!”
These affordable bike videos appeal to my inner cheapskate. Nicely done!
Your nick name should be el cheapo
Explain while downhill?? You are Goat
Dicks no longer sells the Colorado Comp. If they did, I'd have one! Used ones are $700 and up now in 2023.
Whenever you're buying a cheap bike, just make sure the suspension is not a Suntour XCT. I had one a few years ago, the thing had very weak 28mm stanchions and it was horrible: you could feel a lot of shaking when braking, heavy vibrations in your hands when going through unstable terrain and it jumped back on me a few times scaring the shit out of me more than once before I finally changed it by an air RockShox fork.
I don't know if the newer models have better stanchions yet, but just in case, keep an eye on it. My brother in law has a Scott Scale with that same fork on the video (Suntour XCM) and he doesn't complain about it, but can't tell how good or bad is cause I haven't tried it personally and it is his first bike, so he doesn't have a comparison point either.