The speaker scrupulously observes the distinction between long and short vowels, consistently nasalizes 'n' in '-ens/ans', lengthens double consonants and even renders the falling tone in a long accented syllable. This is Latin as she should be spoke.
He is not *speaking* I think you *meant* this is Latin as it should be *read* ... Which would anyway still be nothing more than your own personal opinions... I actually like the Latin as *spoken* by Luigi Miraglia
It's silly to say it is nothing more than my personal opinion. Pronouncing c as k (and lots of other features of the speaker's system of pronunciation) are based on serious scholarship and attested to by the ancients (Quintilian and Varro, to name but two of them). Have you actually listened to this lecture? I like Miraglia's pronunciation too, btw, and have a huge admiration for his impromptu eloquence. I met both of them in Rome (Vivarium Novum) and Miraglia is by far the more fluent speaker, but that obviously says absolutely nothing about the validity of their systems of pronunciation. One problem with speakers who use the so-called pronuntiatus restitutus is that it's difficult for them to sound natural and unforced. An Italian using the Italian/ecclesiastical pronunciation has it easier.
magnum problema latini pronuntiatus utendi non est unde veniat pronuntiatus sed qua causa utatur. Si legere auctores classicos latini sermocinandi studendique est finis, potius uti pronuntiatum illius temporis, restitutum si textus est temporis Caesaris Ciceronisque, medioaevalem si temporis medioaevalis ecclesiaeve. Scilicet, si scriptor medioaevi maluit restitutum, restitutum adhibeatur!
Nonne oratio illa potius « De maximo rectae pronuntiationis momento » inscribenda fuisset ? Quibus rebus dictis, quod ad rectam pronuntiationem attinet eam sane habeo mirabilissimam omnium adhuc auditarum. Quam magno gaudio adfectus sum ut primum audiui ! Ergo ad praebendas aures oratori ualde hortor, nam in audiendo eo sibi plane conscius fit momenti rectae pronuntiationis.
@Carlos Peña Thank you for that, was about to say the exact same thing! See, I was lucky enough to be one of Thomas his students in the Netherlands for about six years (2011-2017) and I do vividly remember the moment he came back to school after some summer holiday all of a sudden speaking Latin fluently (as far as I could tell, anyway). He started teaching all of his lessons in Latin and absolutely refused to translate it for us, unless he got agitated. Didn't fully appreciate it at the time, but Thomas definitely is a very proficient Latin speaker and I feel very fortunate to have had him as my teacher.
Mostly only Italians who learnt it that way, are therefore blinded by prejudice and custom, and who don't understand why reconstructed classical pronunciation is scientifically sound would say such a thing.
The speaker scrupulously observes the distinction between long and short vowels, consistently nasalizes 'n' in '-ens/ans', lengthens double consonants and even renders the falling tone in a long accented syllable. This is Latin as she should be spoke.
He is not *speaking* I think you *meant* this is Latin as it should be *read* ... Which would anyway still be nothing more than your own personal opinions... I actually like the Latin as *spoken* by Luigi Miraglia
It's silly to say it is nothing more than my personal opinion. Pronouncing c as k (and lots of other features of the speaker's system of pronunciation) are based on serious scholarship and attested to by the ancients (Quintilian and Varro, to name but two of them). Have you actually listened to this lecture? I like Miraglia's pronunciation too, btw, and have a huge admiration for his impromptu eloquence. I met both of them in Rome (Vivarium Novum) and Miraglia is by far the more fluent speaker, but that obviously says absolutely nothing about the validity of their systems of pronunciation. One problem with speakers who use the so-called pronuntiatus restitutus is that it's difficult for them to sound natural and unforced. An Italian using the Italian/ecclesiastical pronunciation has it easier.
Multo bello sentire la lingua latina 1:58
Eloquent, Thomas.
Respect, zonder meer.
scrumptious speech
Would be amazing to have subtitles in Latin uwu
magnum problema latini pronuntiatus utendi non est unde veniat pronuntiatus sed qua causa utatur. Si legere auctores classicos latini sermocinandi studendique est finis, potius uti pronuntiatum illius temporis, restitutum si textus est temporis Caesaris Ciceronisque, medioaevalem si temporis medioaevalis ecclesiaeve. Scilicet, si scriptor medioaevi maluit restitutum, restitutum adhibeatur!
sounds fascinating
Nonne oratio illa potius « De maximo rectae pronuntiationis momento » inscribenda fuisset ?
Quibus rebus dictis, quod ad rectam pronuntiationem attinet eam sane habeo mirabilissimam omnium adhuc auditarum. Quam magno gaudio adfectus sum ut primum audiui ! Ergo ad praebendas aures oratori ualde hortor, nam in audiendo eo sibi plane conscius fit momenti rectae pronuntiationis.
Rem acu tetigit. Optime sapienterque locutus est.
usque pronuntiatur uSque, non uSHqwe !
Classical pronunciation is much better than ecclesiastical.
GALS 10596 It is, indeed! ;)
***** It iiiiizzzz, I assure you.
GALS 10596 Each one has his own likings, mate. ;)
de gustibus non disputandum
Luculente ille homo locutus! Verba eius aures meas
humanitate demulcent.
Pronuntiatus restitutus aures meas deflorat!
Eclesiastic pronunciation is better. This is a fake pronunciation...
As if ecclesiastical pronunciation was any more authentic . . .
If this pronunciation was authentic he would be able to *speak* it... Instead he has to resort to *reading* .. anyone can do that
@Carlos Peña Thank you for that, was about to say the exact same thing! See, I was lucky enough to be one of Thomas his students in the Netherlands for about six years (2011-2017) and I do vividly remember the moment he came back to school after some summer holiday all of a sudden speaking Latin fluently (as far as I could tell, anyway). He started teaching all of his lessons in Latin and absolutely refused to translate it for us, unless he got agitated. Didn't fully appreciate it at the time, but Thomas definitely is a very proficient Latin speaker and I feel very fortunate to have had him as my teacher.
@demetrice brown and anyway your "If this...to speak it" is a complete non sequitur.
Mostly only Italians who learnt it that way, are therefore blinded by prejudice and custom, and who don't understand why reconstructed classical pronunciation is scientifically sound would say such a thing.