@@Shah-of-the-Shinebox Course not, to say otherwise is objectively wrong. It is hands down one of the best rock albums of that era. Can any rock band now even approach a work of art like Dirt? Not many I'd wager.
8: The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here 7: Rainier Fog 6: Black Gives Way To Blue 5: Sap 4: Facelift 3: Dirt 2: Jar Of Flies 1: Alice In Chains If I would’ve counted Unplugged, I would’ve put it above Jar Of Flies.
AIC, THANKS GUYS!!! My list: 7. Sap EP 6. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here 5. Facelift 4. Black Gives Way To Blue 3. Dirt (yes, I’m weird) 2. Jar Of Flies EP 1. Tripod Somehow haven’t gotten around Ranier Fog yet. Gonna see what you guys have! Oh btw forgot to mention earlier: What about Tool???
You guys doing a listography of a band I like is always the highlight of any given day. I'm not sure if that speaks more to your brilliance or to my mundane lifestyle... but either way, thanks for doing what you do.
Well youve gotta listen to to the music properly...go for it if you are feeling the approach of the mundane lifestyle beastie🤷♂️....it's great listening new stuff lots.....but yeah I'm sure most critiques and commenters lives are fairly mundane too to a point as these things take time and work ...I will flip the switch to creator once more once the, for me refreshing, journey of exploring way more music than usual and discussion starts to taste bitter or unrewarding....but in mean time get to it too if looking for hobby 👨🎤....each week is funny because with new bands I keep struggling with the 1st albums mostly then find my groove....👍
I love ALICE IN CHAINS, i´m with Joe, my ranking is very close. 1. Dirt (10/10) 2. Jar Of Flies (10/10) 3. Alice In Chains (9,5/10) 4. Facelift (9/10) 5. Rainer Fog (8,5/10) 6. Black Gives way To Blue (8/10) 7. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here (7/10) Total desagree with Kramzer and Jason about the DuVall era. Greetings from Canary Islands.
Once again Joe is the voice of reason. 1. Dirt 5* 2. Jar of Flies 5* 3. Unplugged 4.5* 4. Alice in Chains 4.5* 5. Facelift 4* 6. Black Gives Way to Blue 4* 7. SAP 4* 8. Rainier Fog 4* 9. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here 3.5*
I'm going to rank all of the albums with Jerry. Nobody does that but that's my rank anyways ^-^ I differentiate the two eras of AiC music journey and implement Jerry's solo records in between. 1. Jar of Flies (AiC at their peak) 2. Tripod/ST (oddest, trickiest, weirdest and heaviest to me) 3. Dirt (Best songs in terms of composition. AiC in their most powerful period) 4. Degradation Trip vol. 1-2 (personal memories glued to this one. Feel the Void, Pig Charmer, Castaway, 31/32 just let me with tears every time I listen to them) 5. Facelift (this was my first AiC album. Loved it from the start but then I feel my tastes started to change towards something less straight-forward. Great songs here btw. But I never considered Facelift the best one in their discography) 6. Black Gives Way to Blue (the best album in terms of mixing. It's such a powerful tape. Great songs, great energy and it's diverse. Later, the songs' length and lack of arrangements will become a problem to me personally) 7. Brighten (I feel this is the album Cantrell kept in mind while working on Rainier Fog. His country/redneck (as he claimed himself) side shines bright and proud here. The album is entertaining! Black Heart and Evil Done is a perfect example. Noticed the reference in the solo to his tune Hurts, Don’t It but in more optimistic mood. Like Jerry remembers his bad days and reflects the experience so many years later with his new works. As if he said: ’Shit was bad but life goes on and so should we all’. That little detail made this record very beautiful to me) 8. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here (It could be such a powerful turn from BGWtB. Hollow, Stone, Self-titled, especially Breath on a Window and Hung on a Hook had so many moments to resolve into something so captivating but I feel those moments just stuck and guys put them as it is. Songs seemed to be not composed right. As an example, Breath on a Window had a beautiful ending but all those long minutes before it wasn’t glued to it, there was no decent preparation for this resolution to come and slay.) 9. Rainier Fog (I anticipated this one since The One You Know came out. The 1st single was powerful and fresh. But the full album felt powerless and viped out. You had songs that were written ‘in the style of AiC’ by DuVall and more acoustic epics/almost country ballads by Jerry. The album was polarized and that was a good thing after the previous record. At the same time you could tell that Jerry wants his own different thing to go on. And Fly would be perfect in the context of Brighten. The heavier ones like Red Giant had those guitars but its’ length made it boring and bland af. Can't not mention bass work by Mike on Drone. It’s brilliant.)
I think the new stuff is great. Jerry seems to be moving a bit more metal and a bit more polished…maybe at the expense of some of the personality. I don’t think the new stuff is a huge departure from Tripod, musically. But Jerry brings more interesting (albeit, more difficult to interpret) lyrics than Layne did. I think songs like Scalpel and Deaf Ears Blind Eyes point to a lot of struggles. I actually didn’t get into the new stuff until binge-listening before seeing them in 2019. I was disinterested after Layne died. I encourage people to give it a shot. Layne’s voice was not replaceable and you could argue they should be the Jerry Cantrell project but I’m glad they’re around as AIC. I was able to see them a couple years ago and it was great…including the old stuff. (Man, though, I do wish I’d have seen them with Layne.)
I'm with you on all your points. Saying that from a newbie point of view I imagine I would not be disappointed with what Duval is doing. Infact I probably wouldn't care. I think if I compared his contributions to say Freddie's replacement in Queen....I think Duval offers the creativity of a full band member. Unlike that guy. I think he adds...he helps the band evolve with fresh perspective...and I hope they can continue that way....maybe even more ....doing the unexpected next would be amazing....they've kind of stayed in comfort zone a wee bit despite their successes.....and i have no problem with change even having loved Alice for 30 years.🧐🎸
I'm definitely agreeing with Joe here the most. 1. Alice In Chains (1995) 4.5 2. Dirt 4.5 3. Black Gives Way To Blue 4 4. Jar of Flies 4 5. Sap 4 6. Face-lift 3.5 7. Rainier Fog 3 8. Devil 3
Alice In Chains is one of my favorite bands ever, certainly my favorite band of the grunge era. Unfortunately I agree with Joe & Kram. The Duvall era albums do nothing for me besides get me extremely depressed seeing the AIC moniker on the cover. I wish they were Cantrell solo albums. At least I'd be able to root for them. Alice In Chains as a boring generic rock band is seriously upsetting.
My ranking 1. Dirt 2. Jar of files 3. Facelift 4. Black gives way to Blue 5. Alice in chains 6. Mtv Unplugged 7. Rainer Frog 8. The Devil Putt Dinosaurs here 9. Sap
One of many bands this channel encouraged me to explore further, for which I am exceedingly grateful. Nutshell is so devastatingly sad I almost can't listen to it.
I am basically with Kramzer here with all of his choices - that said, I hadn't heard their 3 most recent records...so perhaps I'm missing something? My favorite 5 songs of theirs include: I Stay Away, Don't Follow, No Excuses, Got Me Wrong and Would? So, yes, clearly "Jar of Flies" is my record of choice of theirs, but I like "Dirt" as well.
Ive been waiting for this for a while. I remember when I first listened to Facelift because I wanted to delve into grunge and the 90s Seattle scene. Having a pretty heavy classic rock background, at first I thought the album was a little too hard/heavy for me in terms of its metal roots. 5 years later I love AIC and their sound! I haven’t listened to any of their newer stuff, but here is how I would rank their classic lineup output: 1. Facelift - 5 stars (so easy to listen to, have never heard anything like it, vocal harmonies are amazing, highs aren’t as good as Dirt but I personally consider it a more solid album throughout) 2. Jar of Flies - 5 stars (hauntingly beautiful, dark. More incredible harmonies. Seamless switch to acoustic style) 3. Dirt - 4.5 stars (love this album, only harp is that there’s maybe 2 songs I don’t love as much as the others) 4. Alice in Chains - 3 stars (some cool stuff here but a pretty average album imo, it doesn’t stack up to the others) HM - Sap (I won’t rank it since it’s only an EP but this is like a preview to JoF. Some awesome guest appearances on here. ‘Got Me Wrong’ is such a killer song!)
I planned to listen along this week because I am entirely unfamiliar with the post Layne Staley stuff but narrowing down my 1967 list is a lot more work than I anticipated. That said I really like all the classic era, I would say Dirt is my favourite for sure. I also had the cassette (still have it actually). They have lots of great songs that have held up great over the years. I agree their Unplugged is really great as well.
7: The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here 2/5 6: Black Gives Way to Blue 3/5 5: Rainier Fog 3/5 4: Alice In Chains 3/5 3: Facelift 3.5/5 2: Jar of Flies 4/5 1: Dirt 4.5/5 Everything you guys said is like spot on. Dirt is definitely a five if they remove those middle ones like Junk head and Dirt. Rain when I die is not skippable and besides who are you if you skip songs when listening to an album.
7. Rainier Fog 6. Black Gives Way to Blue 5. The Devil Puts Dinosaurs Here 4. Self Titled 3. Facelift 2. Dirt 1. Jar Of Flies Really hard to rank, love the later albums a lot but just impossible when comparing to Layne.
There are (2) side conversations missing here. 1) Mad Season "Above" 2) Current AiC lineup : "Tears" Rush cover (from 2112). They do an awesome job. I personally like Duvall I got "Black Gives Way To Blue" the day it came out.
Facelift has 80's tones because the 80's were 2 years previous. Also because AIC was a glam metal band in their first incarnation. Hair, nails makeup and all. That was their sound when they first got together. That album has so much growth on it.
Joe is the only sensible one here. AIC have NEVER released a bad album and the William Duvall album is very underrated. 1. Dirt 2. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here 3. Black Gives Way to Blue 4. Alice In Chains 5. Facelift 6. Jar of Flies 7. Rainier Fog
You're right Kram, Sean Kinney is underrated, and Facelift isn't his best drumming -- he broke his arm right before the session and just had to power through it!
5. Black Gives Way to Blue (3.5) 4. Facelift (4) 3. Dirt (5) 2. Tripod (5) "Shame in You" is a deep track GEM. 1. Jar (5) Haven't listened to Rainer Ftig or DPDH but I liked BGWTB. I used to listen to them alot more. My brother died of a heroin overdose so AiC hits a little too hard since then. These days I have to be in a special mood.
“ Dirt” is one of the greatest rock records ever made , “ Jar of flies” is not far behind . “ Alice In Chains “ was a bit too grimy and heavy for me . Haven’t heard the rest . Will do now .Probably the best of the “ grunge “ bands in my opinion.
Self titled is very good in my opinion. I will say god am, nothing song, and so close are kind of iffy for me. Shame in you, again, and frogs are top tier Layne Alice In Chains
Great band, Dirt is one of the best albums of the 90s. I think Jason & Kramzer are being a bit harsh on the later albums, obviously not their best stuff but still decent enough. 7. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here 6. Black Gives Way To Blue 5. Rainier Fog 4. Self Titled 3. Jar of Flies 2. Facelift 1. Dirt
Great great video as always guys. Probably my favorite grunge band (either them or Soundgarden). Like all of the albums, a little shocked at the hate towards the newer records but hey opinions are opinions. 1. Dirt - 5/5 2. Alice in Chains - 5/5 3. Facelift - 5/5 4. Jar of Flies - 4.5/5 5. Black Gives Way to Blue - 4.5/5 6. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here - 4/5 7. Rainier Fog - 3.5/5 8. Sap - 3.5/5
Might be a long story but I need to tell it... 15 years ago I bought an old house with 6 bed rooms that I lived in and let out rooms for extra cash. Met an 18 year old punk chick who needed a place to stay and gave her a room. She was a good roomie but would go missing for a few days at a time as she was young and like to party. One day I realised she had been gone for weeks. A few more weeks went by and I realised she wasn't coming back. Got a call 2 months later from her saying she just dropped out and was living on the street just hitch hiking and living free. A couple months later I learned she had been murdered. No one ever came back to pick up her things and I just walled her room off as a tomb for more than a year. Finally, I opened her tomb to clean her room out and found she had a huge music collection that was almost identical to mine from the 1990's when I was a teenager, even though she was less than half my age. I found many CD, Vinly and Cassettes I had lost, or had been stolen. 4 days ago I was looking for something new to listen to in the car and went to her collection I kept and found This was one of the few albums she had that did not match my long gone collection and I 'd never heard it. For the last 3-4 days I have been listening to Dirt 3-4 times a day since finding it. Grew up in the grunge age but missed AIC even though I knew about them. Found this listography and got excited to find out which I should check out next. But it might take a few weeks before I am done with Dirt. It pairs really well, oddly enough, with Valen Halen I so when I need a little break I fire that up.
@@TastesLikeMusic Yeah she haunted me for a long time especially in my dreams. I realised it because I mixed her possessions with mine. But she was First Nations and left behind a bundle of sage I eventually burned and that seemed to work. RIP Miranda Chartrand.
1. Dirt (1992) 5/5 2. Jar Of Flies (1994) 4.5/5 3. Facelift (1990) 4/5 4. Alice In Chains (1995) 3/5 5. Black Gives Way To Blue (2009) 2.5/5 6. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here (2013) 2.5/5 7. Rainier Fog (2018) 2/5 CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER: 4.0 Facelift (1990) 5.0 Dirt (1992) 4.5 Jar Of Flies (1994) 3.0 Alice In Chains (1995) 2.5 Black Gives Way To Blue (2009) 2.5 The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here (2013) 2.0 Rainier Fog (2018) One of the bands I came of age with and I still love 'em, although I must say the self-titled album fell in my estimation this time around. However, their peaks- Dirt and Jar Of Flies- still impress me as much as they ever did. Side one of their debut is so epic that I consider it a 4 star album even though side two is mostly forgettable. I'm one of those "no Layne Staley means no Alice In Chains" people... so, while I don't hate their 'comeback' albums, I also don't find them to be anything more than decent. Layne's voice was central to their sound and without him the music just doesn't have the same oomph. MY RATING SYSTEM: 5.0 = major classic 4.5 = minor classic 4.0 = great 3.5 = very good 3.0 = good 2.5 = fair 2.0 = poor 1.5 = awful 1.0 = historically awful I don't go below 1 star because once I'm in the realm of the truly terrible I don't care to differentiate anymore. Anything I rate 3.5 stars or higher is an album I'm enthusiastic about and would likely revisit at some point.
Sry whammy but your rankings hardly make sense to me these days....positionally and star wise this is way off the pace of reality. They have no album below 3 stars for a start ....and to me looking at some lists people are just chucking in one listen of Dinosaur and rating it. Overlooked from last week should include Dinosaur as far as I'm concerned...
Jerry has always been the true heart of AiC for me, so I don't care if the Duvall-era albums are called AiC or JC albums. In fact, I'd include Jerry's solo albums in my personal AiC ranking because an AiC ranking to me IS a Jerry Cantrell ranking. I will also say that I prefer Jerry's voice, monotonous as it can be, way over Layne's. I can definitely see what people hear in him, but I've never really been a fan of his particular tone. Of the classic grunge singers, he's always been my least fav, though I love AiC for other reasons. Now, before I post my own ranking, here's one more thing: Dirt is a classic album for sure and it deserves all its accolades. But I have the same problems with Dirt that Joe has with Tripod. With Tripod, I can easily get lost in the absolutely stunning musicality. With Dirt, the depression is way more overwhelming to me, which is why I'm rarely ever in the mood for it. And that's why, great as it is, I have it very low on my ranking. Here it is: 1. Alice in Chains / Tripod 2. Degradation Trip Vol. 1 & 2 3. Boggy Depot 4. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here 5. Black Gives Way to Blue 6. Dirt 7. Jar of Flies 8. Rainier Fog 9. Facelift (This is the only one I don't like at all. Other than Man in the Box there is nothing on here for me.)
Sorry I'm late again, I've been dealing with School. I'm not a Huge Fan of AIC, I'm not a big Grunge Fan, so expect some Controversy 7 - Jar of Flies 6 - Facelift 5 - Dirt 4 - Rainier Fog 3 - Alice in Chains (Actually Like this!) 2 - The Devil put Dinosaurs here 1 - Black gives way to Blue I'm just not a Big Staley Fan, but I'm not Disrespecting him!
Speaking of Faith no More... is there a TLM listography? Would love that! Would fit in with this series of shorter ones. Love that Joe picked that for 1991.
I'd agree they lack youthful speed these days in song construction.....maybe they have a few bones to dig up for us for the next record. I'd love to hear a faster direction now too....Ranier Fog is their first album that has not grown in stature.... disappointingly long winded in middle and at end....
@@TastesLikeMusic Agreed. They're not a thrash band, I'm not looking for that. But Them Bones, Damn that River, We Die Young, or even something like Again would do the trick. They were a little closer to that with Check My Brain. One to two of those on a record of 9-12 songs would improve the overall dynamics and flow. I think the lack of that showed most on Devil.
Where would you rank Boggy Depot in your lists? Although it was released as a Jerry Cantrell solo, I consider it to be a “lost” AIC album, considering it has 3 out of 4 members of the band playing on it, as well as their producer at the time. I believe a few songs on it were even considered for the previous self-titled record. It certainly is more AIC than anything made afterwards.
I haven’t heard boggy depot in a good 15 years or more, but if my memory serves me it’d be above all the Duvall stuff and below all the Staley stuff. -Jason
Both of Cantrells solo disc's are great in my opinion. In fact there are some stronger tracks on both Boggy Depot and Degradation Trip than there are on the last few AIC albums.
7. Devil put dinosaurs- 3 stars- yes I also said it was 2 stars before but my opinion has changed haha. Yeah I like the sound of the album very heavy, cryptic at times and most of the songs are kind of catchy(only kind of) and somewhat infectious harmonies but not enough to keep me coming back. I did like voices though genuinely. Also I liked the solo on stone. Also I liked the second guitar supporting the lead throughout this thing it helps make the songs sound bigger at times. Yeah the album was somewhat enjoyable but not something I would go back to as much, there’s other albums by them that scratch this itch harder. Yes it’s hard to find stand out tracks and some songs are too long 6. Rainer fog- 3 stars: it feels like the songs have more to it and are more substantial than the other Deval stuff plus I like that there’s more guitar solos! But over all I thought it was decent but still not enough for me to keep going back to as much. 5. Black gives way to blue- 3 stars: I thought it was decent with a little more stand out tracks for me than the other deval stuff. 4. Alice I’m chains- 3.5 stars? - the sludgier stuff isn’t exactly my cup of tea but I respect it plus I felt this one was better and more inspired. And Heaven beside you is a classic. If I’m being honest I think I need to listen to this again. 3. Face lift- 4.5 stars- yes definitely a classic I love love hate love that’s the highlight of the entire album!!!! Man in a box is sick! I mean Layne just makes those songs for me but also some sick riffs too ngl. we die young is good, sea of sorrow is awesome, and so is bleed the freak! I think the 80s metal influence makes these songs sound catchier and more fun to me tbh. I also feel I could listen to the entire thing and not get bored. 2. Jar of flies- 4.5 stars- yep I love everything on here but with this one I love the sound they were going for. Although some of the compression and stuff could of been dialled down I love the sound on this thing. Whale and wasp sounds so lonely and so haunting wow it gives me chills. Unlike Jason I actually like rotten apple a lot, I love that riff, the vocals, harmonies and I love that the song can make me feel like death. Nutshell in a nutshell is fantastic. No excuses is great. I just love the moods this album can give you and how they sound. Also I went back to listen to stay away and wow how could I have slept on that! Thanks Joe I can see why you had to get napsters for this 1. Especially towards the end with those string arrangements and Layne’s voice telling me to stay away or else! Or so that’s how it feels to me wow this song gives me the chills🥶 1. Dirt- 4.999999999- yep I both agree and disagree with Kram- some songs I’d skip but rain when I die is definitely not one of them!!!!😂 I don’t think there’s anything that hasn’t been said but would?, them bones and rain when I die are my favourite AIC songs ever and I never get sick of them! Plus angry chair, damn that river, down in a hole and rooster are definitely classic and all these songs are why I feel most of the album is 5 star worthy for the most part plus some other cuts I enjoy. Also I think k I just prefer the dynamics and the heavy metal or alt metal style rather than maybe even Jar of flies just a bit more like the heavy Layne screams and stuff you know!?😎 but love both so freakin much love Aic forever I swear. 0 stars- an abomination: an atrocity was committed by making this album! .5 star- horrendous: absolutely horrendous but luckily someone snuck in to get some of the mixing nobs in some of the right places or recorded a somewhat comprehendable guitar track or something but still can’t clean up from this absolute horror show! 1 star- terrible: I hate it so much I want to give it zero stars but I have to be real here it’s not that bad but it was still horrible. Atleast there’s form, reasonable mixing, people can play their instruments, but in some of the worst of ways. 1.5 stars-bad: yes I did not like the album but hey my ears aren’t bleeding and I suppose people that actually like this are not completely out to lunch. They atleast like something with you know song form and normal things that don’t feel like knives driving into your ears and going in further to slice your brain open. 2 stars- poor: I mean I definitely don’t like it but only slightly, it’s just not worth the hype to get to that point. Like it’s not even trying hard enough. I can listen to this almost no problem what are you doing 🤷♂️ it’s so meh…. Yeah I just kind of don’t like it overall but nothing exiting I can really bitch about. So disappointing. 2.5 stars- neutral: like Switzerland and Belgium I just want to stay out of this. I don’t pick a side or have an opinion, no just kidding I always have opinions when rating things it’s just for this one the teeter totter is perfectly level. I liked it as much as I disliked it or I just could not care less. 3 stars- okay / decent: yeah I ever so slightly liked it but that’s not gonna be enough for me to go back to vs what’s in the competition against this album. But for sure I liked it more than I disliked it overall. 3.5 stars- good: yeah I genuinely liked this album, this was solid man and I might go back to it later because there is even a playlist worthy song or 2 but it still could be better. Like I don’t love it or anything but I definitely like it that’s for sure. 4 stars- great: definitely solid and there’s some playlist worthy songs that’s for sure but it’s still not one of the all time best or anything but it’s definitely one that I’ll keep playing and one I’ll remember but just not an album I listen to and connect with on a spiritual level or anything. 4.5 stars: excellent / amazing: these are the albums I can’t get enough of like candy to my ears or a ride that I can’t stop riding! But some things missing, either there’s a speed bump along the way or the ride doesn’t get you to the highest peaks like this other one next to it does, but I’m still glad I went on this one so cool man! 5 stars- masterpiece: yep pretty much the highest peaks and perfect consistency for me or as consistent an album can get or it shall be. These are the all timers and are on my topster of fame or online album wall of fame for a reason..
1) Jar of Flies - 5* 2) Dirt - 4.5* 3) Alice in Chains - 4* 4) Facelift - 3.5* 5) Black Gives Way to Blue - 3.5* 6) The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here - 3* 7) Rainier Fog - 3*
I’m with Joe on this . Later records with Duvall are not their best but they’re fine 3.5 stars records at the least . Nothing wrong with Duval’s voice .Good songs are good songs . Cantrell is still solid as a writer. Band are still in fine form “ Check my brain” is one of Alice’s best songs so don’t get Jason’s passionate disdain for it or his and Kramzer’s hyperbolic “ rock is dead” ambush of this video. Contrarian stance and Joe is the man of the people day today ?😂 👍 1. Dirt 5 2. Jar of Flies 5 3. Alice In Chains 4.5 4. Facelift 4 5. Black gives way to blue 4 6. Rainer Fog 3.5 7. The Devil Put Dinosaurs 3.5
@@TastesLikeMusic apologies Kram. Maybe Jason’s attack on some of the “Duval era “ records unsettled me and I lost perspective 😊…gist of the crux is I’m strong on the later AIC records getting better appraisal than they do ..they usually don’t .
@@komoleeray687 sorry to let u down....but look at the postive. the newest one i liked the most of the 3 newbies, and mentioned they could be on the road to doing something i like on the next one - kram
@@TastesLikeMusic not letting me down at all. You guys always keep it “ real” with your opinions. The Duval thing is just an emotional trigger for me ..😴…Respect your views 👊🏻…(worship the channel as you know)..even if Jason is 100%,wrong about “ Check my brain “ ( California’s alright ..best part of the song 😊)
Yeah the rock is dead thing was a bit pathetic... Might as well chuck in art is dead, painting is dead, photography is dead, film is dead, progress is dead.... creativity well that's just dead...awful...it's the typical opinion of bias towards lighter middling music I'm afraid....sonically Chains have mastered that harmonic buzz in their songs....only Beach Boys in pop/rock did it better....saying all that I hope the boys are looking forwards to Senjutsu!! 🤘🤠
I disagree with Jason that the newer albums don't have any passion, Black Gives Way to Blue is incredibly passionate and emotional. I mean Cantrell was writing after the death of Layne Staley, there's bound to be passion in there. Come on. Devil Put Dinosaurs Here at 2 stars??? Good grief. Voices is a fantastic song. I will agree that the Duvall albums are the worst of their discography, but they're not THAT bad. Rainier Fog is worse than Devil or Black Gives way to Blue.
I really think you need to revisit the 3 late records, All Secrets Known is an awesome song, Private Hell is awesome, Hollow is great, Stone is awesome and Maybe is great too. I’m completely with Joe here, I really don’t think the other two can judge these from it seems one listen
I'll take some heat away from the guys....I can't get into Alice in Chains. I've tried and it just doesn't click with me. Sometimes it's hard to crack what makes a band special, and I'll make some time to try again soon, but they are probably the only 90s band I'm not goo goo over.
👂👂👂 absolutely....I still don't get the love for Pearl Jam's Ten for example....always baffled me....but everything will have a fan....thats why we need as much art as possible and why art in any form is only as alive as it's new creators.... consuming and loving art is a tricky business when it comes to taste and choices....but that's the spice too...👍
I assume the ranking is only for albums that have his name on the cover (i.e excluding that he actually made some worthy contributions to music over the past decades)?
Wow, I think the Duvall albums are fantastic -- particularly 'Rainer Fog.' Cantrell has always been the most important and truly irreplaceable member of the band. Songwriter / singer / lead and rhythm guitarist, come on. Why does everyone overrate Layne so much?
Thank you for being fair. Because Layne was super unique and impactful. He died at a really odd time in their trajectory. People couldn't accept it. People idolize him so much that nothing would surpass him even if it actually did. I think Duvall is great. Fully functional, not on drugs,great guitar player. He allows their live shows to reach heights they never could before. They can even play songs live now that they couldn't before. People forget, Angry Chair and Head Creeps(intro) is about the best Layne's guitar playing got. Duvall can play everything Jerry plays including leads. So now Jerry doesn't have to pick and choose what parts to leave out live. They can pretty much play all of the guitar parts between them. Within reason. I think Duvall is great for their legacy and wherever they go from here.
Layne brought soul and depth to the band. And the way their voices blended was incredible. I have a lot of admiration for Jerry and he is a huge part but his talent doesn't fully come through on the Duvall albums in my opinion. Not in the way it did on the original run at least. It comes with age and experience, nothing is currently compelling AIC to make another masterpiece like Dirt or Jar Of Flies. It's almost always this way with veteran bands.
Jerry was the heart and soul of AiC but Layne brought the It-factor. And that‘s something you can‘t replicate. I also feel like Jerry was more mainstream while Layne didn’t care about that.
I wouldn't consider Facelift a grunge album, it's more metal than anything. Alice in chains didn't really turn grunge til jar of flies. Some people don't even consider them to be grunge at all.
Not counting Duvall era albums and unplugged, my ranking is: 1. Jar of Files EP 2. Dirt 3. Facelift 4. Sap (EP) 5. Self-Titled I heard Unplugged a couple of times but it's just painful to listen too. Layne Staley was in rough shape at that point and you can hear it.
Enough complaining at you guys(except Joe). Your love for Layne smoothed over your later hatred. I feel like Dirt is documenting their addiction, but then the self titled is documenting Layne knowing he's lost the addiction battle and is dying. My ranking: 8. Devil Put Dinos B 7. Rainier Fog B+ 6. Black Gives WTB B+ 5. Sap B+ 4. AIC A- 3. Facelift A 2. Jar of Flies A 1. Dirt A I saw them live with Layne twice, once with William. I assumed we would just get solo Jerry albums after Layne. The William stuff isn't as electric and immediate as the Layne records. But that's kinda like Jerry's solo records. They are growers. And I do really like them.
@@TastesLikeMusic Hey Kram, I think this is my first reply from you. I haven't been on here as much lately(damn real world messing with my playtime!!). I often like seeing rankings/reviews that differ strongly from mine. It inspires me to give some things a fresh look that I may not otherwise have. And I love your guys' channel, even after you and Jason blew my mind yesterday. Thanks for the great entertainment. Be well.
This got me thinking about a Nick Drake top 10 and now I have to make one or I can't sleep. 1. Place to Be 2. One of These Things First 3. Riverman 4. Hazey Jane I 5. Things Behind the Sun 6. Saturday Sun 7. Day Is Done 8. Northern Sky 9. From the Morning 10. Pink Moon
Happy to see the Jar of Flies loophole and lovefest. Did any of you guys get the version of that CD with the little plastic flies in the case? That was some great Metalocalypse Dethwater merch right there.
Every so often I'd see one on the shelf at Record Exchange and I'd snag it and pull out the flies, so now I have one CD with nine or so flies. For some reason this seemed like time well spent back then.
I never owned a physical copy of jar of flies but I worked in what was basically “The Exchange” for about 10 years so I’m well acquainted with the flies. -Jason
There early stuff was good. The reunion stuff is.....not even bad just invisible. I don't know if Layne was that cryptic though, songs like Godsmack and Junkhead are pretty straight forward. I'm just going to rate the Layne stuff cause the others all tie for last. 5. Facelift. 4. AIC 3. Sap 2. Dirt 1. Jar of Flies
Ouch! Some of that was brutal. But…again, that’s why we tune in. AIC are another band I know little about but listening to this gives me an itch that has to be scratched and I’m now digging into the dirt and opening the jar of flies to see if this really is the death of rock?
Green Day were the death of 90s + mainstream rock imo....the horrible poop on MTV and rock stations that is still prevalent..,but Jason clearly has not heard enough mid to heavy music from last 20 years to understand that rock is very much alive and kicking in many many great bands...and has moved on... different music genres have adopted prog like stances so it's hard to say any genre has now died.... Maybe he feels left behind like old people do when they can't keep up?"Rock and roll deserves to die" loving The Darkness....they nailed it recently....nothing dies...just evolves/is reborn if you look...
For no particular reason that album has three of my top-5 AIC songs. I might be guilty of letting that push the rest of the album above its deeper cuts.
@@179rich Thanks man. They are my all time favorite band. It's very close between those two albums for me. I think the best Facelift songs are better than the best songs on BGWTB. However, I think the weaker songs on BGWTB are stronger than the weaker songs on Facelift hence the slight edge. Both 4 star albums for me.
I was surprised at this episode actually ... this one lacked the enthusiasm i expect, outside of Joe's admiration that is, and maybe its because its a darker band in general. I am a Alice in Chains fan, and i actually think their 2nd half career is quite strong as far as 90's comebacks go. Alice in Chains have always stood alone to me. Its interesting, about "Grunge" really Pearl Jam, Sound Garden, Nirvana, and Alice in Chains don't really sound alike. Especially Nirvana, never understood why they were lumped in outside of location and clothes .....
For me: 1. Dirt 2. Jar of Flies 3. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here 4. MTV Unplugged 5. Facelift 6. Alice in Chains 7. Black Gives Way To Blue 8.Ranier Fog 9. SAP
Well Happy Chainmas guys!🤣🎅 My AIC list.... For me Alice are the Beach Boys of rock.... As usual I have marked each out of 10 and put some general thoughts. Conclusion at end. But I tell you, doing any of your all time fave bands is actually harder! And I thought I had the week off...😢....wait til you see my songs list....jees!... 7 Rainier Fog 6.5/10, it's a good album with excellent grinds, but songs like Red Giant and Drone arnt quite huge enough or memorable to make this a classic overall. Deaf Ear Blind Eyes though is♥️. Its in my top 20 ever Alice tracks. Also least fave end...bit bland. 6 Facelift 7.5/10 a fine debut and the first I'd heard aged 10 when I sneaked the tape off my bro. Sound defined straight away with terrific run at start of album. Ain't Like That punches you in the gut in the middle. Sunshine shows the band had room to grow- it punctures instead of inflates this bluesy raunchy hard dark dark record. 5 Black Gives Way To Blue 8.5/10 the boys did a fabulous job with their comeback. William was the perfect man to come in as proved by his still growing amazing contributions. He is doing Layne proud but also doing it his way. 4 The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here 9/10, clearly the best of the new line up. Punchy. Emotional. Full of textures and epic harmonies. Song after memorable song. Great artwork. The last 5 songs in a row blow me away. Ecstatic fan.🤠🤘🤘🤘🦖🦖🦖♥️ 3 Alice In Chains 9.5/10 my fave at college. As a fan l ♥️ed the return of serious heavy after Jar but glad they also bought in some of those amazing voice harmonies. Great production again - full of hard textures with perhaps more layering of voices due to Layne's failing health...but crumbs it's great. The only lull is So Close. 2 Jar of Flies (10/10)...also put Sap on to it and an easy tie for no 1 for sure. These records really demonstrate the Chains ability with sheer musicality and their amazing voice harmonies. Authenticity abounds in their sound but no band has also made misery sound so beautiful. This is hypnotic emotive hard soft rock at its very best. 🤘👍🌈 1 Dirt 10/10 🏆much like Appetite is for rock, Dirt is the definitive grunge/ alternative new wave metal for that time. The presentation pallette, style, song writing throughout is brilliant. To me a huge leap from debut. They fixed the problem of mastering whole album flow. And it's full of gutteral energetic textural rage, beautiful gloom and as the title tells you, dirt. 💖🤘. Conclusion - it was harder than any other band not to score every song highly for me as each song I know intimately. Whatever the grunge tag actually means I seriously consider the texture, mood, super song writing, distinctive sound, heart and iconic pallette by Alice really defines that era of 90s 'grunge'- alternative sincere kick ass new wave rock/ metal. Sorry to all the other bands. Fourth to Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath and Guns n Roses as my next in line fave heavy band growing up ( Nirvana and Metallica would be next 2 of course)...and the sound of my teens and 20s AIC are always going to be one of my top 10 all time bands. Nearly the whole discography is in my jeans. Yeah my dirtiest ripped jeans...🧐...I loved them even more as a teenager after a close relative died leaving me the the album Dirt on tape. An album I will always associate directly with them as well as just being plain perfectly great. Finally.... Mad Seasons Above was huge for me too but for Alice the crashing drum sound and the magnificent combo of Jerry and Layne's voices and songwriting...their idols, Lennon + McCartney would be proud. Also Chains are the perfect cross over band if you want to get into metal. Out of all my fave heavy bands these guys do the best job of demonstrating how to make dark music that you can just let wash over you. Voice harmony has never been done better in heavy music. The Beach Boys of rock? Yes please. ☠️🎸🤠🤘♥️🌈
@@TastesLikeMusic grunge is just an advertising stunt by labels ...they are hard rock...but being I suppose more real and less showy most the time....Staley live was a monster at start....amazing
@@threestringsomg I should've mentioned their harmonies in my comment! Doh! It's remarkable for a hard rock/metal band to be doing harmonies that good. And you're so right that that AIC was one of the crossover bands that seemed to unite metalheads and punks in the late-'80s and early-'90s. Jane's Addiction and Nirvana did it, too.
07) The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here (3 stars) 06) Rainier Fog (3.75 stars) 05) Facelift (4 stars) 04) Black Gives Way to Blue (4 stars) 03) Alice in Chains (4 stars) 02) Jar of Flies (5 stars) 01) Dirt (4.5 stars) notes: *Fantastic band, but taken as a whole, a quite bleak and depressing listography. *Dirt has more (killer!) five star songs than Jar of Flies so it's number one even though it has a few tracks I don't rate as high, keeping it from a 5 star rating. Also, the album, while gorgeous, is a downer and some of the tracks really drag, so I have to be in the right mood to hear the whole thing. Actually, that's true of pretty much every Alice album! *The only thing that bugs me about my list is that the difference in quality between Dirt and the self-titled is greater than a half star would indicate, but that can't be helped. *If you happen to be put off by my quarter-star ratings, just do what Jason does - take the quarter off and voila. ;-) 0 stars - irredeemably terrible/ the worst .5 stars - terrible 1 star - bad 1.5 stars - between bad and fair 2 stars - fair 2.5 stars - between fair and OK 3 stars - OK 3.25 stars - pretty good 3.5 stars - good 4 stars - very good 4.5 stars - excellent 5 stars - the bomb
@@ttmilbr Hmm. Not sure about that reasoning . . . I mean, I've given 5 stars to albums that have a weak song or two ("A Night at the Opera"). It's the album as a whole. No?
@@NaughtyVampireGod Yeah, I have JOF at my #1 with 5 stars, but I can see why an EP shouldn't be as high as a full album. Still, I wish more bands would keep their albums to 10 songs and keep the filler to themselves.
@@ttmilbr I guess there's arguments either way . . . As you know it's all about the LP to CD sea change in the mid-80's which changed the whole reality of what consitutes the length of an album. Yeah. I wanna hear their best. Editorial discretion is good. Quality control. But more product can be good depending on a lot of things. I think "filler" is a tricky word. I like to apply it very narrowly. I like to give the artist the benefit of the doubt that they aren't producing obvious filler . . Anyway, a classic album with a weak song or two won't make it less of a classic imo. I'm forgiving .. . to a point. :)
@@NaughtyVampireGod I'll tell you exactly where I'm coming from. Like I said, the album kinda drags and taken as a whole it's a downer. But the main reason it gets 4.5 stars from me is because I rate "Dam That River" 3 stars (not sure why I'm not crazy about the song but it has something to do with the lyrics), Junk Head 3.5 stars and God Smack 3 stars. And Iron Gland does nothing for me. I seriously considered giving it 5 stars but I'm with Kramzer on this one. For me, it just can't quite get to that upper echelon. I'm not opposed to 5 star albums with some less than great tracks though.
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Jason's face when Kramzer said he always skips "Rain When I Die" lol 😂 thats such a good song
Hahaha. It’s a great track to be sure.
There's not one bad track on Dirt
@@Shah-of-the-Shinebox Course not, to say otherwise is objectively wrong. It is hands down one of the best rock albums of that era. Can any rock band now even approach a work of art like Dirt? Not many I'd wager.
@@Shah-of-the-ShineboxWell, except for God Smack and Untitled which are pretty bad.
8: The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here
7: Rainier Fog
6: Black Gives Way To Blue
5: Sap
4: Facelift
3: Dirt
2: Jar Of Flies
1: Alice In Chains
If I would’ve counted Unplugged, I would’ve put it above Jar Of Flies.
Digging this list.
@@chapmancarruthers Thanks Chapman. I’m glad you appreciate it.
charlie watts R.I.P. another rock god gone
1. Dirt
2. Jar of Flies
3. Facelift
4. Alice In Chains
5. Rainier Fog
6. Black gives way to blue
7. The Devil Put Dinosaurs here
AIC, THANKS GUYS!!!
My list:
7. Sap EP
6. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here
5. Facelift
4. Black Gives Way To Blue
3. Dirt (yes, I’m weird)
2. Jar Of Flies EP
1. Tripod
Somehow haven’t gotten around Ranier Fog yet.
Gonna see what you guys have!
Oh btw forgot to mention earlier:
What about Tool???
You guys doing a listography of a band I like is always the highlight of any given day. I'm not sure if that speaks more to your brilliance or to my mundane lifestyle... but either way, thanks for doing what you do.
Well youve gotta listen to to the music properly...go for it if you are feeling the approach of the mundane lifestyle beastie🤷♂️....it's great listening new stuff lots.....but yeah I'm sure most critiques and commenters lives are fairly mundane too to a point as these things take time and work ...I will flip the switch to creator once more once the, for me refreshing, journey of exploring way more music than usual and discussion starts to taste bitter or unrewarding....but in mean time get to it too if looking for hobby 👨🎤....each week is funny because with new bands I keep struggling with the 1st albums mostly then find my groove....👍
1. Self-titled
2. Jar of Flies
(Unplugged)
3. Sap
4. Dirt
(Drop off)
5. Facelift
(the void begins)
I love ALICE IN CHAINS, i´m with Joe, my ranking is very close.
1. Dirt (10/10)
2. Jar Of Flies (10/10)
3. Alice In Chains (9,5/10)
4. Facelift (9/10)
5. Rainer Fog (8,5/10)
6. Black Gives way To Blue (8/10)
7. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here (7/10)
Total desagree with Kramzer and Jason about the DuVall era.
Greetings from Canary Islands.
Once again Joe is the voice of reason.
1. Dirt 5*
2. Jar of Flies 5*
3. Unplugged 4.5*
4. Alice in Chains 4.5*
5. Facelift 4*
6. Black Gives Way to Blue 4*
7. SAP 4*
8. Rainier Fog 4*
9. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here 3.5*
Who in their right mind skips Rain When I Die?
I know, right? -Jason
you've been watching the channel for a while...are you under the impression i have a healthy mind? - kram
Yep. That one's in my top 10.
@@TastesLikeMusic 😂
Rain When I Die is one of the cornerstones of sludge metal.
Jason is ON FIRE in this episode...I like it!
I'm going to rank all of the albums with Jerry. Nobody does that but that's my rank anyways ^-^
I differentiate the two eras of AiC music journey and implement Jerry's solo records in between.
1. Jar of Flies (AiC at their peak)
2. Tripod/ST (oddest, trickiest, weirdest and heaviest to me)
3. Dirt (Best songs in terms of composition. AiC in their most powerful period)
4. Degradation Trip vol. 1-2 (personal memories glued to this one. Feel the Void, Pig Charmer, Castaway, 31/32 just let me with tears every time I listen to them)
5. Facelift (this was my first AiC album. Loved it from the start but then I feel my tastes started to change towards something less straight-forward. Great songs here btw. But I never considered Facelift the best one in their discography)
6. Black Gives Way to Blue (the best album in terms of mixing. It's such a powerful tape. Great songs, great energy and it's diverse. Later, the songs' length and lack of arrangements will become a problem to me personally)
7. Brighten (I feel this is the album Cantrell kept in mind while working on Rainier Fog. His country/redneck (as he claimed himself) side shines bright and proud here. The album is entertaining! Black Heart and Evil Done is a perfect example. Noticed the reference in the solo to his tune Hurts, Don’t It but in more optimistic mood. Like Jerry remembers his bad days and reflects the experience so many years later with his new works. As if he said: ’Shit was bad but life goes on and so should we all’. That little detail made this record very beautiful to me)
8. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here (It could be such a powerful turn from BGWtB. Hollow, Stone, Self-titled, especially Breath on a Window and Hung on a Hook had so many moments to resolve into something so captivating but I feel those moments just stuck and guys put them as it is. Songs seemed to be not composed right. As an example, Breath on a Window had a beautiful ending but all those long minutes before it wasn’t glued to it, there was no decent preparation for this resolution to come and slay.)
9. Rainier Fog (I anticipated this one since The One You Know came out. The 1st single was powerful and fresh. But the full album felt powerless and viped out. You had songs that were written ‘in the style of AiC’ by DuVall and more acoustic epics/almost country ballads by Jerry. The album was polarized and that was a good thing after the previous record. At the same time you could tell that Jerry wants his own different thing to go on. And Fly would be perfect in the context of Brighten. The heavier ones like Red Giant had those guitars but its’ length made it boring and bland af. Can't not mention bass work by Mike on Drone. It’s brilliant.)
I think the new stuff is great. Jerry seems to be moving a bit more metal and a bit more polished…maybe at the expense of some of the personality. I don’t think the new stuff is a huge departure from Tripod, musically. But Jerry brings more interesting (albeit, more difficult to interpret) lyrics than Layne did. I think songs like Scalpel and Deaf Ears Blind Eyes point to a lot of struggles. I actually didn’t get into the new stuff until binge-listening before seeing them in 2019. I was disinterested after Layne died. I encourage people to give it a shot.
Layne’s voice was not replaceable and you could argue they should be the Jerry Cantrell project but I’m glad they’re around as AIC. I was able to see them a couple years ago and it was great…including the old stuff. (Man, though, I do wish I’d have seen them with Layne.)
I'm with you on all your points. Saying that from a newbie point of view I imagine I would not be disappointed with what Duval is doing. Infact I probably wouldn't care. I think if I compared his contributions to say Freddie's replacement in Queen....I think Duval offers the creativity of a full band member. Unlike that guy. I think he adds...he helps the band evolve with fresh perspective...and I hope they can continue that way....maybe even more ....doing the unexpected next would be amazing....they've kind of stayed in comfort zone a wee bit despite their successes.....and i have no problem with change even having loved Alice for 30 years.🧐🎸
I'm definitely agreeing with Joe here the most.
1. Alice In Chains (1995) 4.5
2. Dirt 4.5
3. Black Gives Way To Blue 4
4. Jar of Flies 4
5. Sap 4
6. Face-lift 3.5
7. Rainier Fog 3
8. Devil 3
Alice In Chains is one of my favorite bands ever, certainly my favorite band of the grunge era. Unfortunately I agree with Joe & Kram. The Duvall era albums do nothing for me besides get me extremely depressed seeing the AIC moniker on the cover. I wish they were Cantrell solo albums. At least I'd be able to root for them. Alice In Chains as a boring generic rock band is seriously upsetting.
My ranking
1. Dirt
2. Jar of files
3. Facelift
4. Black gives way to Blue
5. Alice in chains
6. Mtv Unplugged
7. Rainer Frog
8. The Devil Putt Dinosaurs here
9. Sap
1 Tripod
1a Unplugged
2 Dirt
3 Facelift
4 jar of Flies
5 Rainer Fog
6 Black gives way
7 Devil put Dino
*WHO DOESN'T LIKE RAIN WHEN I DIE?* Unbelievable.
Insanity. My favorite AIC song. Unreal
Freaking banger
It's not bad
I like it but I thinks it a bit overrated
One of many bands this channel encouraged me to explore further, for which I am exceedingly grateful. Nutshell is so devastatingly sad I almost can't listen to it.
Who is the Action figure in your photo?😮
I am basically with Kramzer here with all of his choices - that said, I hadn't heard their 3 most recent records...so perhaps I'm missing something? My favorite 5 songs of theirs include: I Stay Away, Don't Follow, No Excuses, Got Me Wrong and Would? So, yes, clearly "Jar of Flies" is my record of choice of theirs, but I like "Dirt" as well.
Great band, agree 100% with Jason. Forget about their stuff after Layne.
Their albums with Layne all 4 stars at least. Jar Of Flies my current fav
Top 3 - Jar Of 🪰, Dirt & Black. Great harmonies & Layne had a voice of an angel.
Ive been waiting for this for a while. I remember when I first listened to Facelift because I wanted to delve into grunge and the 90s Seattle scene. Having a pretty heavy classic rock background, at first I thought the album was a little too hard/heavy for me in terms of its metal roots. 5 years later I love AIC and their sound! I haven’t listened to any of their newer stuff, but here is how I would rank their classic lineup output:
1. Facelift - 5 stars (so easy to listen to, have never heard anything like it, vocal harmonies are amazing, highs aren’t as good as Dirt but I personally consider it a more solid album throughout)
2. Jar of Flies - 5 stars (hauntingly beautiful, dark. More incredible harmonies. Seamless switch to acoustic style)
3. Dirt - 4.5 stars (love this album, only harp is that there’s maybe 2 songs I don’t love as much as the others)
4. Alice in Chains - 3 stars (some cool stuff here but a pretty average album imo, it doesn’t stack up to the others)
HM - Sap (I won’t rank it since it’s only an EP but this is like a preview to JoF. Some awesome guest appearances on here. ‘Got Me Wrong’ is such a killer song!)
I planned to listen along this week because I am entirely unfamiliar with the post Layne Staley stuff but narrowing down my 1967 list is a lot more work than I anticipated. That said I really like all the classic era, I would say Dirt is my favourite for sure. I also had the cassette (still have it actually). They have lots of great songs that have held up great over the years. I agree their Unplugged is really great as well.
7) The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here 6) Ranier Fog 5) Black Gives Way To Blue 4) Facelift 3) Jar of Flies 2) s/t 1) Dirt. Black Gives is very good.
1. Dirt
2. Facelift
3. Self-titled
4.Jar of flies
5.SAP
6. Black gives way to blue.
7. Rainer Fog.
8. Devil put the dinosaurs here
"Hey e yeah. Innocence is over. What I see is unreal. I've written my own part. Eat of the apple so young. I'm crawling back to start."
7: The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here 2/5
6: Black Gives Way to Blue 3/5
5: Rainier Fog 3/5
4: Alice In Chains 3/5
3: Facelift 3.5/5
2: Jar of Flies 4/5
1: Dirt 4.5/5
Everything you guys said is like spot on. Dirt is definitely a five if they remove those middle ones like Junk head and Dirt. Rain when I die is not skippable and besides who are you if you skip songs when listening to an album.
7. Rainier Fog
6. Black Gives Way to Blue
5. The Devil Puts Dinosaurs Here
4. Self Titled
3. Facelift
2. Dirt
1. Jar Of Flies
Really hard to rank, love the later albums a lot but just impossible when comparing to Layne.
There are (2) side conversations missing here.
1) Mad Season "Above"
2) Current AiC lineup : "Tears" Rush cover (from 2112). They do an awesome job.
I personally like Duvall
I got "Black Gives Way To Blue" the day it came out.
Facelift has 80's tones because the 80's were 2 years previous. Also because AIC was a glam metal band in their first incarnation. Hair, nails makeup and all. That was their sound when they first got together. That album has so much growth on it.
I’m aware. But the remnants of that previous incarnation do hold the album back a little bit. -Jason
@@TastesLikeMusic Fair point.
#1 for me actually would be Alice in Chains - "Unplugged", #2 Facelift, #3 Jar of Flies, #4 Dirt, #5 AiC, #6 Reiner Fog, #7 Black and Blue, #8 DPDH
And BGWTB is a fantastic record, the best of the 3 DuVall era records.
9 Black Gives Way To Blue
8 Rainier Fog
7 The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here
6 Facelift
5 Unplugged
4 Jar Of Flies
3 Sap
2 Dirt
1 Alice In Chains
Joe is the only sensible one here. AIC have NEVER released a bad album and the William Duvall album is very underrated.
1. Dirt
2. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here
3. Black Gives Way to Blue
4. Alice In Chains
5. Facelift
6. Jar of Flies
7. Rainier Fog
I’m with Kramzer all the way on this one but respect all of the opinions and can see where everyone is coming from.. another great episode..
Dirt less than 5 stars but any Del Rey album 5 stars🤣🤣😂. Go K!
You're right Kram, Sean Kinney is underrated, and Facelift isn't his best drumming -- he broke his arm right before the session and just had to power through it!
1 - Dirt
2 - Facelift
3 - Alice In Chains
4 - Jar Of Flies
5 - Rainer Fog
6 - Black Gives Way To Blue
7 - The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here
5. Black Gives Way to Blue (3.5)
4. Facelift (4)
3. Dirt (5)
2. Tripod (5) "Shame in You" is a deep track GEM.
1. Jar (5)
Haven't listened to Rainer Ftig or DPDH but I liked BGWTB.
I used to listen to them alot more.
My brother died of a heroin overdose so AiC hits a little too hard since then.
These days I have to be in a special mood.
*Frog
“ Dirt” is one of the greatest rock records ever made , “ Jar of flies” is not far behind . “ Alice In Chains “ was a bit too grimy and heavy for me . Haven’t heard the rest . Will do now .Probably the best of the “ grunge “ bands in my opinion.
The entire original run is great. Can't not mention Sap either. It's too bad their window closed due to Layne's health.
Self titled is very good in my opinion. I will say god am, nothing song, and so close are kind of iffy for me. Shame in you, again, and frogs are top tier Layne Alice In Chains
Great band, Dirt is one of the best albums of the 90s. I think Jason & Kramzer are being a bit harsh on the later albums, obviously not their best stuff but still decent enough.
7. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here
6. Black Gives Way To Blue
5. Rainier Fog
4. Self Titled
3. Jar of Flies
2. Facelift
1. Dirt
Bit harsh?
Great great video as always guys. Probably my favorite grunge band (either them or Soundgarden). Like all of the albums, a little shocked at the hate towards the newer records but hey opinions are opinions.
1. Dirt - 5/5
2. Alice in Chains - 5/5
3. Facelift - 5/5
4. Jar of Flies - 4.5/5
5. Black Gives Way to Blue - 4.5/5
6. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here - 4/5
7. Rainier Fog - 3.5/5
8. Sap - 3.5/5
It’s okay, you can say that Jason and Kramzer are wrong. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic Thanks Joe🙏😂, interested to see top 10 songs
Might be a long story but I need to tell it... 15 years ago I bought an old house with 6 bed rooms that I lived in and let out rooms for extra cash. Met an 18 year old punk chick who needed a place to stay and gave her a room. She was a good roomie but would go missing for a few days at a time as she was young and like to party. One day I realised she had been gone for weeks. A few more weeks went by and I realised she wasn't coming back. Got a call 2 months later from her saying she just dropped out and was living on the street just hitch hiking and living free. A couple months later I learned she had been murdered. No one ever came back to pick up her things and I just walled her room off as a tomb for more than a year. Finally, I opened her tomb to clean her room out and found she had a huge music collection that was almost identical to mine from the 1990's when I was a teenager, even though she was less than half my age. I found many CD, Vinly and Cassettes I had lost, or had been stolen. 4 days ago I was looking for something new to listen to in the car and went to her collection I kept and found This was one of the few albums she had that did not match my long gone collection and I 'd never heard it. For the last 3-4 days I have been listening to Dirt 3-4 times a day since finding it. Grew up in the grunge age but missed AIC even though I knew about them. Found this listography and got excited to find out which I should check out next. But it might take a few weeks before I am done with Dirt. It pairs really well, oddly enough, with Valen Halen I so when I need a little break I fire that up.
Heavy stuff
@@TastesLikeMusic Yeah she haunted me for a long time especially in my dreams. I realised it because I mixed her possessions with mine. But she was First Nations and left behind a bundle of sage I eventually burned and that seemed to work. RIP Miranda Chartrand.
RIP Charlie Watts ❤️
1. Dirt (1992) 5/5
2. Jar Of Flies (1994) 4.5/5
3. Facelift (1990) 4/5
4. Alice In Chains (1995) 3/5
5. Black Gives Way To Blue (2009) 2.5/5
6. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here (2013) 2.5/5
7. Rainier Fog (2018) 2/5
CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER:
4.0 Facelift (1990)
5.0 Dirt (1992)
4.5 Jar Of Flies (1994)
3.0 Alice In Chains (1995)
2.5 Black Gives Way To Blue (2009)
2.5 The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here (2013)
2.0 Rainier Fog (2018)
One of the bands I came of age with and I still love 'em, although I must say the self-titled album fell in my estimation this time around. However, their peaks- Dirt and Jar Of Flies- still impress me as much as they ever did. Side one of their debut is so epic that I consider it a 4 star album even though side two is mostly forgettable. I'm one of those "no Layne Staley means no Alice In Chains" people... so, while I don't hate their 'comeback' albums, I also don't find them to be anything more than decent. Layne's voice was central to their sound and without him the music just doesn't have the same oomph.
MY RATING SYSTEM:
5.0 = major classic
4.5 = minor classic
4.0 = great
3.5 = very good
3.0 = good
2.5 = fair
2.0 = poor
1.5 = awful
1.0 = historically awful
I don't go below 1 star because once I'm in the realm of the truly terrible I don't care to differentiate anymore. Anything I rate 3.5 stars or higher is an album I'm enthusiastic about and would likely revisit at some point.
uggghhhh thank u. knew we could count on you on these Duvall records - kram
Seems like 'Dirt' is the album I should give a chance.
Sry whammy but your rankings hardly make sense to me these days....positionally and star wise this is way off the pace of reality. They have no album below 3 stars for a start ....and to me looking at some lists people are just chucking in one listen of Dinosaur and rating it. Overlooked from last week should include Dinosaur as far as I'm concerned...
Jerry has always been the true heart of AiC for me, so I don't care if the Duvall-era albums are called AiC or JC albums. In fact, I'd include Jerry's solo albums in my personal AiC ranking because an AiC ranking to me IS a Jerry Cantrell ranking. I will also say that I prefer Jerry's voice, monotonous as it can be, way over Layne's. I can definitely see what people hear in him, but I've never really been a fan of his particular tone. Of the classic grunge singers, he's always been my least fav, though I love AiC for other reasons. Now, before I post my own ranking, here's one more thing: Dirt is a classic album for sure and it deserves all its accolades. But I have the same problems with Dirt that Joe has with Tripod. With Tripod, I can easily get lost in the absolutely stunning musicality. With Dirt, the depression is way more overwhelming to me, which is why I'm rarely ever in the mood for it. And that's why, great as it is, I have it very low on my ranking. Here it is:
1. Alice in Chains / Tripod
2. Degradation Trip Vol. 1 & 2
3. Boggy Depot
4. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here
5. Black Gives Way to Blue
6. Dirt
7. Jar of Flies
8. Rainier Fog
9. Facelift (This is the only one I don't like at all. Other than Man in the Box there is nothing on here for me.)
Sorry I'm late again, I've been dealing with School.
I'm not a Huge Fan of AIC, I'm not a big Grunge Fan, so expect some Controversy
7 - Jar of Flies
6 - Facelift
5 - Dirt
4 - Rainier Fog
3 - Alice in Chains (Actually Like this!)
2 - The Devil put Dinosaurs here
1 - Black gives way to Blue
I'm just not a Big Staley Fan, but I'm not Disrespecting him!
Jar of Flies last my God
7. Black Gives Way to Blue
6. Alice in Chains
5. Jar of Flies
4. Rainier Fog
3. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here
2. Facelift
1. Dirt
Speaking of Faith no More... is there a TLM listography? Would love that! Would fit in with this series of shorter ones. Love that Joe picked that for 1991.
There is!
@@TastesLikeMusic No way!! I am going to Listen to Mr Bungle first and then the FNM listography!!!
I do think what is missing from the current lineup is one to two uptempo tracks like a Damn that River or Them Bones.
I want there to be at least two Them Bones on every album. - Joe
I'd agree they lack youthful speed these days in song construction.....maybe they have a few bones to dig up for us for the next record. I'd love to hear a faster direction now too....Ranier Fog is their first album that has not grown in stature.... disappointingly long winded in middle and at end....
@@TastesLikeMusic Agreed. They're not a thrash band, I'm not looking for that. But Them Bones, Damn that River, We Die Young, or even something like Again would do the trick. They were a little closer to that with Check My Brain. One to two of those on a record of 9-12 songs would improve the overall dynamics and flow. I think the lack of that showed most on Devil.
@@threestringsomg I'll be curious to see if Jerry's new solo record has any more uptempo tracks. I like the first song that was released, Atone.
@@docvader82 oh haven't ever gone for Jerry's solo stuff....no idea why... but I will sneak a listen or two when released...👍
Where would you rank Boggy Depot in your lists? Although it was released as a Jerry Cantrell solo, I consider it to be a “lost” AIC album, considering it has 3 out of 4 members of the band playing on it, as well as their producer at the time. I believe a few songs on it were even considered for the previous self-titled record. It certainly is more AIC than anything made afterwards.
If they don't like Alice In Chains they sure as shit aren't gonna like an album as great as Boggy.
I haven’t heard boggy depot in a good 15 years or more, but if my memory serves me it’d be above all the Duvall stuff and below all the Staley stuff. -Jason
It’s a 3.5 for me, probably. I thought it was missing something. - Joe
Both of Cantrells solo disc's are great in my opinion. In fact there are some stronger tracks on both Boggy Depot and Degradation Trip than there are on the last few AIC albums.
God Jason and kram are brutal with only two stars Jesus
7. Devil put dinosaurs- 3 stars- yes I also said it was 2 stars before but my opinion has changed haha. Yeah I like the sound of the album very heavy, cryptic at times and most of the songs are kind of catchy(only kind of) and somewhat infectious harmonies but not enough to keep me coming back. I did like voices though genuinely. Also I liked the solo on stone. Also I liked the second guitar supporting the lead throughout this thing it helps make the songs sound bigger at times. Yeah the album was somewhat enjoyable but not something I would go back to as much, there’s other albums by them that scratch this itch harder. Yes it’s hard to find stand out tracks and some songs are too long
6. Rainer fog- 3 stars: it feels like the songs have more to it and are more substantial than the other Deval stuff plus I like that there’s more guitar solos! But over all I thought it was decent but still not enough for me to keep going back to as much.
5. Black gives way to blue- 3 stars: I thought it was decent with a little more stand out tracks for me than the other deval stuff.
4. Alice I’m chains- 3.5 stars? - the sludgier stuff isn’t exactly my cup of tea but I respect it plus I felt this one was better and more inspired. And Heaven beside you is a classic. If I’m being honest I think I need to listen to this again.
3. Face lift- 4.5 stars- yes definitely a classic I love love hate love that’s the highlight of the entire album!!!! Man in a box is sick! I mean Layne just makes those songs for me but also some sick riffs too ngl. we die young is good, sea of sorrow is awesome, and so is bleed the freak! I think the 80s metal influence makes these songs sound catchier and more fun to me tbh. I also feel I could listen to the entire thing and not get bored.
2. Jar of flies- 4.5 stars- yep I love everything on here but with this one I love the sound they were going for. Although some of the compression and stuff could of been dialled down I love the sound on this thing. Whale and wasp sounds so lonely and so haunting wow it gives me chills. Unlike Jason I actually like rotten apple a lot, I love that riff, the vocals, harmonies and I love that the song can make me feel like death. Nutshell in a nutshell is fantastic. No excuses is great. I just love the moods this album can give you and how they sound. Also I went back to listen to stay away and wow how could I have slept on that! Thanks Joe I can see why you had to get napsters for this 1. Especially towards the end with those string arrangements and Layne’s voice telling me to stay away or else! Or so that’s how it feels to me wow this song gives me the chills🥶
1. Dirt- 4.999999999- yep I both agree and disagree with Kram- some songs I’d skip but rain when I die is definitely not one of them!!!!😂 I don’t think there’s anything that hasn’t been said but would?, them bones and rain when I die are my favourite AIC songs ever and I never get sick of them! Plus angry chair, damn that river, down in a hole and rooster are definitely classic and all these songs are why I feel most of the album is 5 star worthy for the most part plus some other cuts I enjoy. Also I think k I just prefer the dynamics and the heavy metal or alt metal style rather than maybe even Jar of flies just a bit more like the heavy Layne screams and stuff you know!?😎 but love both so freakin much love Aic forever I swear.
0 stars- an abomination: an atrocity was committed by making this album!
.5 star- horrendous: absolutely horrendous but luckily someone snuck in to get some of the mixing nobs in some of the right places or recorded a somewhat comprehendable guitar track or something but still can’t clean up from this absolute horror show!
1 star- terrible: I hate it so much I want to give it zero stars but I have to be real here it’s not that bad but it was still horrible. Atleast there’s form, reasonable mixing, people can play their instruments, but in some of the worst of ways.
1.5 stars-bad: yes I did not like the album but hey my ears aren’t bleeding and I suppose people that actually like this are not completely out to lunch. They atleast like something with you know song form and normal things that don’t feel like knives driving into your ears and going in further to slice your brain open.
2 stars- poor: I mean I definitely don’t like it but only slightly, it’s just not worth the hype to get to that point. Like it’s not even trying hard enough. I can listen to this almost no problem what are you doing 🤷♂️ it’s so meh…. Yeah I just kind of don’t like it overall but nothing exiting I can really bitch about. So disappointing.
2.5 stars- neutral: like Switzerland and Belgium I just want to stay out of this. I don’t pick a side or have an opinion, no just kidding I always have opinions when rating things it’s just for this one the teeter totter is perfectly level. I liked it as much as I disliked it or I just could not care less.
3 stars- okay / decent: yeah I ever so slightly liked it but that’s not gonna be enough for me to go back to vs what’s in the competition against this album. But for sure I liked it more than I disliked it overall.
3.5 stars- good: yeah I genuinely liked this album, this was solid man and I might go back to it later because there is even a playlist worthy song or 2 but it still could be better. Like I don’t love it or anything but I definitely like it that’s for sure.
4 stars- great: definitely solid and there’s some playlist worthy songs that’s for sure but it’s still not one of the all time best or anything but it’s definitely one that I’ll keep playing and one I’ll remember but just not an album I listen to and connect with on a spiritual level or anything.
4.5 stars: excellent / amazing: these are the albums I can’t get enough of like candy to my ears or a ride that I can’t stop riding! But some things missing, either there’s a speed bump along the way or the ride doesn’t get you to the highest peaks like this other one next to it does, but I’m still glad I went on this one so cool man!
5 stars- masterpiece: yep pretty much the highest peaks and perfect consistency for me or as consistent an album can get or it shall be. These are the all timers and are on my topster of fame or online album wall of fame for a reason..
1) Jar of Flies - 5*
2) Dirt - 4.5*
3) Alice in Chains - 4*
4) Facelift - 3.5*
5) Black Gives Way to Blue - 3.5*
6) The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here - 3*
7) Rainier Fog - 3*
I’m with Joe on this . Later records with Duvall are not their best but they’re fine 3.5 stars records at the least . Nothing wrong with Duval’s voice .Good songs are good songs . Cantrell is still solid as a writer. Band are still in fine form “ Check my brain” is one of Alice’s best songs so don’t get Jason’s passionate disdain for it or his and Kramzer’s hyperbolic “ rock is dead” ambush of this video. Contrarian stance and Joe is the man of the people day today ?😂 👍
1. Dirt 5
2. Jar of Flies 5
3. Alice In Chains 4.5
4. Facelift 4
5. Black gives way to blue 4
6. Rainer Fog 3.5
7. The Devil Put Dinosaurs 3.5
Kramzer didn't have a rock is dead ambush. Not sure what video you watched - kram
@@TastesLikeMusic apologies Kram. Maybe Jason’s attack on some of the “Duval era “ records unsettled me and I lost perspective 😊…gist of the crux is I’m strong on the later AIC records getting better appraisal than they do ..they usually don’t .
@@komoleeray687 sorry to let u down....but look at the postive. the newest one i liked the most of the 3 newbies, and mentioned they could be on the road to doing something i like on the next one - kram
@@TastesLikeMusic not letting me down at all. You guys always keep it “ real” with your opinions. The Duval thing is just an emotional trigger for me ..😴…Respect your views 👊🏻…(worship the channel as you know)..even if Jason is 100%,wrong about “ Check my brain “ ( California’s alright ..best part of the song 😊)
Yeah the rock is dead thing was a bit pathetic...
Might as well chuck in art is dead, painting is dead, photography is dead, film is dead, progress is dead.... creativity well that's just dead...awful...it's the typical opinion of bias towards lighter middling music I'm afraid....sonically Chains have mastered that harmonic buzz in their songs....only Beach Boys in pop/rock did it better....saying all that I hope the boys are looking forwards to Senjutsu!! 🤘🤠
I disagree with Jason that the newer albums don't have any passion, Black Gives Way to Blue is incredibly passionate and emotional. I mean Cantrell was writing after the death of Layne Staley, there's bound to be passion in there. Come on. Devil Put Dinosaurs Here at 2 stars??? Good grief. Voices is a fantastic song.
I will agree that the Duvall albums are the worst of their discography, but they're not THAT bad. Rainier Fog is worse than Devil or Black Gives way to Blue.
Jason could easily be Les Claypool's brother. Ridiculously uncanny.....
"Put You Down" actually made me think of Pearl Jam which I'm sure heard the track.
I really think you need to revisit the 3 late records, All Secrets Known is an awesome song, Private Hell is awesome, Hollow is great, Stone is awesome and Maybe is great too. I’m completely with Joe here, I really don’t think the other two can judge these from it seems one listen
Two listens
Unfortunately people who are biased to pop and softer music usually don't have the patience dude...🤷♂️🎸
Loving the #realtalk from Jason in this one!
I'll take some heat away from the guys....I can't get into Alice in Chains. I've tried and it just doesn't click with me. Sometimes it's hard to crack what makes a band special, and I'll make some time to try again soon, but they are probably the only 90s band I'm not goo goo over.
Totally legit opinion. Hold your head up high there's no shame in your game.
@@179rich Thank you! There is no such thing as bad or good music. It's all up to the ears. ;)
👂👂👂 absolutely....I still don't get the love for Pearl Jam's Ten for example....always baffled me....but everything will have a fan....thats why we need as much art as possible and why art in any form is only as alive as it's new creators.... consuming and loving art is a tricky business when it comes to taste and choices....but that's the spice too...👍
@@threestringsomg Riot Act is the high point of Pearl Jam for me. Their debut is good, but I haven't revisited it much at all since being an adult.
same!
Sideprojects, How about a show where You go through some of Them, You Know Mad Season and Temple OF the Dog.
Please tell me you guys are actually including the Tarzan soundtrack on the Phil Collins listography...
I wish. - Joe
I assume the ranking is only for albums that have his name on the cover (i.e excluding that he actually made some worthy contributions to music over the past decades)?
Wow, I think the Duvall albums are fantastic -- particularly 'Rainer Fog.' Cantrell has always been the most important and truly irreplaceable member of the band. Songwriter / singer / lead and rhythm guitarist, come on. Why does everyone overrate Layne so much?
Thank you for being fair. Because Layne was super unique and impactful. He died at a really odd time in their trajectory. People couldn't accept it. People idolize him so much that nothing would surpass him even if it actually did. I think Duvall is great. Fully functional, not on drugs,great guitar player. He allows their live shows to reach heights they never could before. They can even play songs live now that they couldn't before. People forget, Angry Chair and Head Creeps(intro) is about the best Layne's guitar playing got. Duvall can play everything Jerry plays including leads. So now Jerry doesn't have to pick and choose what parts to leave out live. They can pretty much play all of the guitar parts between them. Within reason. I think Duvall is great for their legacy and wherever they go from here.
Layne brought soul and depth to the band. And the way their voices blended was incredible. I have a lot of admiration for Jerry and he is a huge part but his talent doesn't fully come through on the Duvall albums in my opinion.
Not in the way it did on the original run at least. It comes with age and experience, nothing is currently compelling AIC to make another masterpiece like Dirt or Jar Of Flies. It's almost always this way with veteran bands.
Jerry was the heart and soul of AiC but Layne brought the It-factor. And that‘s something you can‘t replicate. I also feel like Jerry was more mainstream while Layne didn’t care about that.
Dirt is a grunge masterpiece.
I wouldn't consider Facelift a grunge album, it's more metal than anything. Alice in chains didn't really turn grunge til jar of flies. Some people don't even consider them to be grunge at all.
Not counting Duvall era albums and unplugged, my ranking is:
1. Jar of Files EP
2. Dirt
3. Facelift
4. Sap (EP)
5. Self-Titled
I heard Unplugged a couple of times but it's just painful to listen too. Layne Staley was in rough shape at that point and you can hear it.
Seldom does a catalogue so accurately reflect the psyche of the vocalist. Conversely, love the hopeful(?) Got Me Wrong.
Boooyyyzzz…I have no idea who they are. They completely passed me by. I had no jacket required on vinyl. Not sure it aged well
phil was the soundtrack to the 80's -- - feeling not so inspired by his music now
I just love all their albums 🔥
This makes me even more excited for Voodoo by Godsmack to win my song of the year in 1998.
Voodoo is a great song man
Enough complaining at you guys(except Joe). Your love for Layne smoothed over your later hatred.
I feel like Dirt is documenting their addiction, but then the self titled is documenting Layne knowing he's lost the addiction battle and is dying.
My ranking:
8. Devil Put Dinos B
7. Rainier Fog B+
6. Black Gives WTB B+
5. Sap B+
4. AIC A-
3. Facelift A
2. Jar of Flies A
1. Dirt A
I saw them live with Layne twice, once with William.
I assumed we would just get solo Jerry albums after Layne. The William stuff isn't as electric and immediate as the Layne records. But that's kinda like Jerry's solo records. They are growers. And I do really like them.
wait till tomorrow...the songs list is a BIG LOVE FEST - kram
@@TastesLikeMusic Hey Kram, I think this is my first reply from you. I haven't been on here as much lately(damn real world messing with my playtime!!).
I often like seeing rankings/reviews that differ strongly from mine. It inspires me to give some things a fresh look that I may not otherwise have.
And I love your guys' channel, even after you and Jason blew my mind yesterday.
Thanks for the great entertainment.
Be well.
I know he only made three albums but i’d love a top 10 Nick Drake songs list.
we have a program in the works to conquer the smaller discographies so stay tuned - kram
@@TastesLikeMusic Alright thanks Kramzer!
Dylan and Nick Drake. I can see you're a man of culture.
This got me thinking about a Nick Drake top 10 and now I have to make one or I can't sleep.
1. Place to Be
2. One of These Things First
3. Riverman
4. Hazey Jane I
5. Things Behind the Sun
6. Saturday Sun
7. Day Is Done
8. Northern Sky
9. From the Morning
10. Pink Moon
@@12spanku Lol I try
That is quite the thumbnail. Looks like Alice In Chains trying to do The Beach Boys lol
Well they kind of did in their career...but for heavy rock ...in terms of voice harmonies
Happy to see the Jar of Flies loophole and lovefest. Did any of you guys get the version of that CD with the little plastic flies in the case? That was some great Metalocalypse Dethwater merch right there.
I did not have that version unfortunately. - Joe
Every so often I'd see one on the shelf at Record Exchange and I'd snag it and pull out the flies, so now I have one CD with nine or so flies. For some reason this seemed like time well spent back then.
I never owned a physical copy of jar of flies but I worked in what was basically “The Exchange” for about 10 years so I’m well acquainted with the flies. -Jason
There early stuff was good. The reunion stuff is.....not even bad just invisible. I don't know if Layne was that cryptic though, songs like Godsmack and Junkhead are pretty straight forward.
I'm just going to rate the Layne stuff cause the others all tie for last.
5. Facelift.
4. AIC
3. Sap
2. Dirt
1. Jar of Flies
Ouch! Some of that was brutal.
But…again, that’s why we tune in. AIC are another band I know little about but listening to this gives me an itch that has to be scratched and I’m now digging into the dirt and opening the jar of flies to see if this really is the death of rock?
Green Day were the death of 90s + mainstream rock imo....the horrible poop on MTV and rock stations that is still prevalent..,but Jason clearly has not heard enough mid to heavy music from last 20 years to understand that rock is very much alive and kicking in many many great bands...and has moved on... different music genres have adopted prog like stances so it's hard to say any genre has now died.... Maybe he feels left behind like old people do when they can't keep up?"Rock and roll deserves to die" loving The Darkness....they nailed it recently....nothing dies...just evolves/is reborn if you look...
I like the William Duvall records and Devil Put the Dinosaurs was ranked number 4 on my list!
(Yes; I am serious)
7. Black Gives Way…
6. Jar of Flies
5. Facelift
4. Rainer Fog
3. Dirt
2. AIC
1. Devil Put Dinosaurs Here
Having Devil at #1 is one thing, but putting BGWYB, which is essentially the exact same record, last, makes no sense to me whatsoever. -Jason
I guess you could say when we got our favorite Chains track on we Stop Making Sense 🤣🤣🤣
For no particular reason that album has three of my top-5 AIC songs. I might be guilty of letting that push the rest of the album above its deeper cuts.
@@SomeSong2 I wish you liked talking heads, but a good joke is a good joke. Bravo - Kramzer
7. Rainier Fog
6. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here
5. Facelift
4. Black Gives Way To Blue
3. Jar Of Flies
2. Alice In Chains
1. Dirt
Solid list. I also put BGWTB ahead of Facelift.
@@179rich Thanks man. They are my all time favorite band. It's very close between those two albums for me.
I think the best Facelift songs are better than the best songs on BGWTB. However, I think the weaker songs on BGWTB are stronger than the weaker songs on Facelift hence the slight edge. Both 4 star albums for me.
I was surprised at this episode actually ... this one lacked the enthusiasm i expect, outside of Joe's admiration that is, and maybe its because its a darker band in general. I am a Alice in Chains fan, and i actually think their 2nd half career is quite strong as far as 90's comebacks go. Alice in Chains have always stood alone to me. Its interesting, about "Grunge" really Pearl Jam, Sound Garden, Nirvana, and Alice in Chains don't really sound alike. Especially Nirvana, never understood why they were lumped in outside of location and clothes .....
5. Black Gives Way to Blue
4. Alice in Chains
3. Jar of Flies
2. Facelift
1. Dirt
Jason is having an existential moment.
I could be wrong, but I think Jerry Cantrell actually does most of the singing on the Duvall albums.
The first one yes - Kramzer
So is it possible if you can do a listography on Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds or Tom Waits
Someday, but we already have the rest of the year scheduled. -Jason
The fact that all of you put Dinosaurs at the bottom just reinforces the fact that you guys know what you're doing. (I had it at the bottom too ;-)
Is the Tarzan soundtrack included in the next week's listography?
It is not.
Great ep guys. You gotta go with your true thoughts/views. That’s why I tune in. It would be quite boring if you all agreed all of the time!!
1. Dirt
2. Jar Of Flies
3. Alice In Chains
4. Facelift
5. Sap
6. The rest
Checks out
I also don't care for any of the Duvall albums. I was horrified when I heard Check my brain on the radio. Nothing tops the original run.
Excellent!
Dude doesn't like Rain When I Die.....wtf?!?!?!
This is amazing guys two artist I love to death in two weeks
Waiting on The National week….show them the love!
Recorded it yesterday. Won’t be releasing for a little while though. -Jason
@@TastesLikeMusic what a time to be alive
For me:
1. Dirt
2. Jar of Flies
3. The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here
4. MTV Unplugged
5. Facelift
6. Alice in Chains
7. Black Gives Way To Blue
8.Ranier Fog
9. SAP
Alice In Chains 1995 my favourite album by them.
Well Happy Chainmas guys!🤣🎅
My AIC list....
For me Alice are the Beach Boys of rock.... As usual I have marked each out of 10 and put some general thoughts. Conclusion at end. But I tell you, doing any of your all time fave bands is actually harder! And I thought I had the week off...😢....wait til you see my songs list....jees!...
7 Rainier Fog 6.5/10, it's a good album with excellent grinds, but songs like Red Giant and Drone arnt quite huge enough or memorable to make this a classic overall. Deaf Ear Blind Eyes though is♥️. Its in my top 20 ever Alice tracks. Also least fave end...bit bland.
6 Facelift 7.5/10 a fine debut and the first I'd heard aged 10 when I sneaked the tape off my bro. Sound defined straight away with terrific run at start of album. Ain't Like That punches you in the gut in the middle. Sunshine shows the band had room to grow- it punctures instead of inflates this bluesy raunchy hard dark dark record.
5 Black Gives Way To Blue 8.5/10 the boys did a fabulous job with their comeback. William was the perfect man to come in as proved by his still growing amazing contributions. He is doing Layne proud but also doing it his way.
4 The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here 9/10, clearly the best of the new line up. Punchy. Emotional. Full of textures and epic harmonies. Song after memorable song. Great artwork. The last 5 songs in a row blow me away. Ecstatic fan.🤠🤘🤘🤘🦖🦖🦖♥️
3 Alice In Chains 9.5/10 my fave at college. As a fan l ♥️ed the return of serious heavy after Jar but glad they also bought in some of those amazing voice harmonies. Great production again - full of hard textures with perhaps more layering of voices due to Layne's failing health...but crumbs it's great. The only lull is So Close.
2 Jar of Flies (10/10)...also put Sap on to it and an easy tie for no 1 for sure. These records really demonstrate the Chains ability with sheer musicality and their amazing voice harmonies. Authenticity abounds in their sound but no band has also made misery sound so beautiful. This is hypnotic emotive hard soft rock at its very best. 🤘👍🌈
1 Dirt 10/10 🏆much like Appetite is for rock, Dirt is the definitive grunge/ alternative new wave metal for that time. The presentation pallette, style, song writing throughout is brilliant. To me a huge leap from debut. They fixed the problem of mastering whole album flow. And it's full of gutteral energetic textural rage, beautiful gloom and as the title tells you, dirt. 💖🤘.
Conclusion - it was harder than any other band not to score every song highly for me as each song I know intimately. Whatever the grunge tag actually means I seriously consider the texture, mood, super song writing, distinctive sound, heart and iconic pallette by Alice really defines that era of 90s 'grunge'- alternative sincere kick ass new wave rock/ metal. Sorry to all the other bands. Fourth to Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath and Guns n Roses as my next in line fave heavy band growing up ( Nirvana and Metallica would be next 2 of course)...and the sound of my teens and 20s AIC are always going to be one of my top 10 all time bands. Nearly the whole discography is in my jeans. Yeah my dirtiest ripped jeans...🧐...I loved them even more as a teenager after a close relative died leaving me the the album Dirt on tape. An album I will always associate directly with them as well as just being plain perfectly great. Finally....
Mad Seasons Above was huge for me too but for Alice the crashing drum sound and the magnificent combo of Jerry and Layne's voices and songwriting...their idols, Lennon + McCartney would be proud. Also Chains are the perfect cross over band if you want to get into metal. Out of all my fave heavy bands these guys do the best job of demonstrating how to make dark music that you can just let wash over you. Voice harmony has never been done better in heavy music. The Beach Boys of rock? Yes please. ☠️🎸🤠🤘♥️🌈
Damn our lists are almost neck in neck. 🤠
Beach boys of grunge.... No doubt.... Or beach boys from Hell! - kram
@@TastesLikeMusic grunge is just an advertising stunt by labels ...they are hard rock...but being I suppose more real and less showy most the time....Staley live was a monster at start....amazing
@@SomeSong2 glad to meet a fellow serious fan🤘♥️
@@threestringsomg I should've mentioned their harmonies in my comment! Doh! It's remarkable for a hard rock/metal band to be doing harmonies that good. And you're so right that that AIC was one of the crossover bands that seemed to unite metalheads and punks in the late-'80s and early-'90s. Jane's Addiction and Nirvana did it, too.
07) The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here (3 stars)
06) Rainier Fog (3.75 stars)
05) Facelift (4 stars)
04) Black Gives Way to Blue (4 stars)
03) Alice in Chains (4 stars)
02) Jar of Flies (5 stars)
01) Dirt (4.5 stars)
notes:
*Fantastic band, but taken as a whole, a quite bleak and depressing listography.
*Dirt has more (killer!) five star songs than Jar of Flies so it's number one even though it has a few tracks I don't rate as high, keeping it from a 5 star rating. Also, the album, while gorgeous, is a downer and some of the tracks really drag, so I have to be in the right mood to hear the whole thing. Actually, that's true of pretty much every Alice album!
*The only thing that bugs me about my list is that the difference in quality between Dirt and the self-titled is greater than a half star would indicate, but that can't be helped.
*If you happen to be put off by my quarter-star ratings, just do what Jason does - take the quarter off and voila. ;-)
0 stars - irredeemably terrible/ the worst
.5 stars - terrible
1 star - bad
1.5 stars - between bad and fair
2 stars - fair
2.5 stars - between fair and OK
3 stars - OK
3.25 stars - pretty good
3.5 stars - good
4 stars - very good
4.5 stars - excellent
5 stars - the bomb
Hah, a #1 having less stars than a #2. Good reasoning.
@@ttmilbr Hmm. Not sure about that reasoning . . . I mean, I've given 5 stars to albums that have a weak song or two ("A Night at the Opera"). It's the album as a whole. No?
@@NaughtyVampireGod Yeah, I have JOF at my #1 with 5 stars, but I can see why an EP shouldn't be as high as a full album. Still, I wish more bands would keep their albums to 10 songs and keep the filler to themselves.
@@ttmilbr I guess there's arguments either way . . . As you know it's all about the LP to CD sea change in the mid-80's which changed the whole reality of what consitutes the length of an album. Yeah. I wanna hear their best. Editorial discretion is good. Quality control. But more product can be good depending on a lot of things. I think "filler" is a tricky word. I like to apply it very narrowly. I like to give the artist the benefit of the doubt that they aren't producing obvious filler . . Anyway, a classic album with a weak song or two won't make it less of a classic imo. I'm forgiving .. . to a point. :)
@@NaughtyVampireGod I'll tell you exactly where I'm coming from. Like I said, the album kinda drags and taken as a whole it's a downer. But the main reason it gets 4.5 stars from me is because I rate "Dam That River" 3 stars (not sure why I'm not crazy about the song but it has something to do with the lyrics), Junk Head 3.5 stars and God Smack 3 stars. And Iron Gland does nothing for me. I seriously considered giving it 5 stars but I'm with Kramzer on this one. For me, it just can't quite get to that upper echelon. I'm not opposed to 5 star albums with some less than great tracks though.
I think Jason needs a vacation....
1. Dirt
2. Jar of Flies
3. Facelift
4. AIC
5. Rainier Fog
6. TDPDH
7. Black gives way to blue