Women’s Prize Winner Predictions & Shortlist Ranking with Mum | June 2023

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  • It’s almost Women’s Prize 2023 finale time, so before the winner is announced ‪@louisesavidgemuses4135‬ (aka my mum) and I rank the shortlist, choose our personal winners and discuss what the actual winner could be. So join us for some serious ‪@WomensPrizeforFiction‬ chat. #WomensPrize #BookTube
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  • @nestwithbooks
    @nestwithbooks ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Really new subscriber and love your channel. Never really cared for the Woman's Prize but you and your mom made me want to read all of the books!

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      Awwww glad we’ve got you into our favourite prize.

  • @susprime7018
    @susprime7018 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    One thing is certain, it has been a delight watching all the prize videos from both of you. Thank you both very much.

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So pleased you’ve enjoyed them. We will be back in 2024, I think lol

  • @lomazowr1
    @lomazowr1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A truly wonderful book discussion.I always enjoy watching you and your mom interact and enjoy each other’s thoughts and opinions.

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      So pleased you enjoyed it. Thank you for watching.

  • @Jennikreads
    @Jennikreads ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'm born and raised in Appalachia, and you can actually pronounce it either way - "app uh lay shn" or "app uh latch n". It varies by region and dialect.

    • @JustJanetAshley
      @JustJanetAshley ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes I am from Southern Ohio and you are correct but Simon pronounced it entirely different than either of those…but that’s OK because we love him 😊

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m just following the advice of Barbara Kingsolver. So that’s that 😉

    • @user-qu8zs7vs1x
      @user-qu8zs7vs1x ปีที่แล้ว

      @JenniKing I appreciate your comment on how to pronounce the name, no idea why his reply was so sarcastic

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-qu8zs7vs1x it wasn’t sarcastic. Barbara Kingsolver told me how to say it so I said it that way. Please don’t go looking for the worst in people, it’s really boring.

    • @user-qu8zs7vs1x
      @user-qu8zs7vs1x ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SavidgeReads just lost a subscriber. So that's that

  • @Jennikreads
    @Jennikreads ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is always a pleasure to watch! I love hearing your and your mom's thoughts on this list and hearing you passionately discuss the books!

  • @LaMadone
    @LaMadone ปีที่แล้ว

    In praise of indies, women's prizes and Canadian Fiction-Hey Simon and Louise. I’m writing again to say thanks for your loyalty to women’s writing. I am an avid fan of you both. As a former CBC book reviewer I am a huge advocate of the “chunkster”. In the early days of radio we not only read and reviewed fat reads- we were given plenty of time to review them- 15 minutes. Now it’s two minutes a book. I left the world of radio to write and am so happy you guys dedicate more than one minute to books you deem worthy. NOW that you’re a Kingsolver BFF Simon I encourage you to read Prodigal Summer. I reviewed a few of hers, read them all and STILL that’s my favourite (Louise, I believe you will love the older women). I have also been dedicated to the new Carol Shields prize. I believe you have the Sleeping Car Porter, which was in the running and won our Canadian Giller prize. SO if I may add to your Canadian book list of must-reads and great CDN writer-heroes. Reading onward! Madonna in Saskatchewan.

    -Carol Shield’s: Larry’s Party (a man who is an expert on Labyrinths) and Republic of Love

    -Mary Lawson: Crow Lake (brother, sister and nature)

    -Paulette Jiles: The Colour of Lightning; Stormy Weather; News of the World (a movie now, better as a book)

    -Lisa Moore: February(one of my all-time favourite novels about losing a husband to an accident and starting life over); Alligator
    -Marina Endicott: The Difference (Yes, it takes place on a ship but it’s hugely engrossing as it looks at the lives of a woman and her sister accompanying the woman’s husband around the world as a trader
    -Michael Ondatjee: Coming Through Slaughter (early jazz era New Orleans); In the Skin of The Lion (my fav out the building of bridges in Toronto but of course so much more about richly drawn characters) and for Nonfiction his memoir about his family- Running in the Family.

    -Elizabeth Hay; Late Nights On Air; Garbo Laughs
    -Thomas King: Medicine Walk; Green Grass, Running Water
    -Timothy Findlay: The Telling of Lies; Famous Last Words (My fav); Not Wanted on the Voyage; The Piano Man’s Daughter
    Guy Vanderhaeghe: The Englishman’s Boy ( about making cowboy westerns in 1920’s ); The Last Crossing

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      Oooh thanks so much for all these recommendations. I have read and loved Larry’s Party in fact mum and I read that when we read all the women’s prize winners we hadn’t for their 25th anniversary. Been meaning to read Lisa Moore for ages. I feel like I’ve read Crow Lake but also not sure I actually have. I had definitely read The Sleeping Car Porter, this very month, so my thoughts will be in a wrap up soon.

    • @LaMadone
      @LaMadone ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SavidgeReads Yippee- thx for responding! Madonna Hamel in a Saskatchewan village, Pop89, on the order of Montana.

  • @abeeshark
    @abeeshark ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I haven't read Fire Rush yet but I loved Demon Copperhead so much!

  • @jenny6904
    @jenny6904 ปีที่แล้ว

    Louise! You haven't read A Little Life?! You lucky thing, you're in for such a treat. I'd love to read that book again for the first time!

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahaha. I just laughed at you calling it a treat. Not sure many would describe it, myself included and it’s one of my favourite books.

  • @cmleidi
    @cmleidi ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I agree that it's so hard to decide between most of the books this year. There was only one that I disliked from the entire longlist. I wish I'm a Fan had made the shortlist as I think it's an absolutely brilliant book. IF forced to choose my top pick, it would be Trespasses. I thought it was so gorgeously written and it captures the quiet/day to day moments that happen during times of chaos. My ranking would be Trespasses, Pod, Fire Rush, Black Butterflies, Demon Copperhead and Marriage Portrait.

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      I had the pleasure of chatting to Louise Kennedy tonight. She’s a joy. Can’t wait to read her short story collection. It may well be next.

  • @kathycurwin3123
    @kathycurwin3123 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love watching both of your videos. Louise I liked what you said about characters becoming real for you. The books I think I love the most are those that when I finish them I think,”oh I’m going to miss them”. It is a sad but also satisfying feeling. Then I know I have really connected.

  • @lindaleehall
    @lindaleehall ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Maggie’s description of the tiger is one of the most amazing things I have ever read.

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes! Amazing aren’t they. That was actually the scene she started writing the book with we discovered last night at the shortlist readings.

  • @hegeste
    @hegeste ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love you guys together😀So interesting to hear your conversations about books!

  • @erikaneal8458
    @erikaneal8458 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is an awesome video! I’m so happy I found this channel!

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Awwww thanks Erika. Hopefully you can head back through plenty of videos while I have my little booktube break.

  • @GraceCC06
    @GraceCC06 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this video !! Hoping to read Demon Copperhead in August

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hope you enjoy it when you get to it Grace.

  • @Smurf-fo2xf
    @Smurf-fo2xf ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have loved the prize this year, so many great reads. My favourite amongst the whole prize is Demon Copperhead and i really believe it deserves to win as its such an important subject area and I loved the protagonist If it doesnt win i personally would like Tresspasses or Black Butterflies. However I think if we are going on who i think deserves to (after DC) i actually think its POD, this one has stayed with me and i do think it is such an imaginative and creative novel

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      It won. Hoorah!

    • @Smurf-fo2xf
      @Smurf-fo2xf ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SavidgeReads I'm so happy for her. Is she going to win the Booker too?!

  • @karenmiddlebrook5069
    @karenmiddlebrook5069 ปีที่แล้ว

    Also really love the ' My last duchess' poem, however the book didnt grip me in the same way that Hamnet did.

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s fair enough, we can’t love every book.

  • @janedolman6691
    @janedolman6691 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So any change in thoughts after the readings at the Women’s Prize Festival? For me it has got to be Trespasses especially after hearing Louise Kennedy…what a wonderful character!

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      I have been wanting Trespasses to win all day. Barbara’s speech was wonderful though. Very emotional.

  • @18Alpine
    @18Alpine ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please let it be "Trespasses". My reasons are twofold: This book struck me to the core; and the conversation it it ignited between the two of you.

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      It wasn’t to be but I have absolutely loved that book and can’t wait to read Louise Kennedy’s short story collection.

  • @janedraycott5919
    @janedraycott5919 ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved The Marriage Portrait and Demon Copperhead, I DNFed Trespasses because I found it utterly tedious (I much preferred Milkman in this vein). I haven't read the other three. But did you see the article in the Guardian about the sales figures of the books on the shortlist? Maggie O'Farrell has sold 73k copies, Barbara Kingsolver about 45k, whereas Pod, Black Butterflies, and Fire Rush have only sold a couple of thousand each. Huge disparities!

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      Well the sales thing is so skewed. I thought it was a click bait piece. Maggie and Barbara have huge followings as they’ve written loads. Plus Maggies has been out quite a while in comparison to the others. Huge puff piece I thought. Lol

  • @AliceandtheGiantBookshelf
    @AliceandtheGiantBookshelf ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant discussion, you both hit on so many of the things I loved about these six novels. Demon Copperhead was my winner from the moment I read it and it’s still my favourite book of the year so far, but Fire Rush was a really special book in terms of the rhythm and language, I thought it had a very good chance of winning. 😊

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think each book was very strong in its own way so was soooooooo hard to call this year. Hope it’s the same next year to be honest as as tough as it is shows how amazing women’s writing is.

  • @allisonryder4781
    @allisonryder4781 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Simon and Louise! Another fun video. Take care Simon, and see you soon. Louise I’ll be over on your site as usual! ❤

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Allison. I’ll look forward to chatting with everyone when I’m back.

  • @carolewatson2113
    @carolewatson2113 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ooh,I’ve been waiting for this, Savidges!

  • @HannahGreendale
    @HannahGreendale ปีที่แล้ว

    Just love hearing you two chat books! Demon Copperhead is my pick to win, but if Pod wins, I'll be thrilled. Of all the books on the shortlist, Pod strikes me as the most courageous and ambitious. I'm so, so excited for the women's non-fiction prize debuting next year. So much to look forward to!

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You picked the winner. Along with Mum. Congrats lol.

  • @suedavy5394
    @suedavy5394 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am with your Mom on this one. Enjoy the night!

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      She (and you) were right and I’m genuinely thrilled.

  • @MilenaReads
    @MilenaReads ปีที่แล้ว

    I was so happily surprised with the short list. Demon Copperhead is my number one as well.

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      Congrats on predicting the winner!

  • @ameliabarlowbooks
    @ameliabarlowbooks ปีที่แล้ว

    popping up here just in time to say I have a feeling about Trespasses too! I’d be delighted to see it win 📚♥️

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Alas it wasn’t meant to be. I had a lovely chat with Louise though. Can’t wait to read her short stories.

  • @hasteyebooks
    @hasteyebooks ปีที่แล้ว

    I always love your videos together! My favourite of the list was The Marriage Portrait I think, but my pick for winner is Fire Rush I think!

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      Two corkers. Not the winners but absolute corkers. It’s been such a strong year this year.

  • @jenniferfyffe6949
    @jenniferfyffe6949 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m looking forward to reading Fire Rush, so thank you Louise for setting it up! Sadly it didn’t win, but what an amazing shortlist!

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is a corking shortlist. I would have loved Fire Rush to win, that said I would have loved all of them (but four in particular) to win because the shortlist was so strong. Was, it’s over, weeps. Thrilled for Barbara.

  • @cecilialau_
    @cecilialau_ ปีที่แล้ว

    Enjoy your yt break, Simon ☀️ Take all the time you need; we’ll still be here and looking forward to seeing you back in that t-shirt without the added “y” 😁😎 (which btw no judgement, it’s understandable with your incredible workload - and the high standards you set for yourself) 💛
    Excited for the announcement later!! 🍿 Lovely seeing you both as always

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ahahaha. I am not really being moody. I’m just tired and a little booked out.

  • @DoreenLay
    @DoreenLay ปีที่แล้ว

    Doreen L It's absolutely delightful when you both appear together sharing your feelings about the same books. Great reviews.

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you’ve enjoyed the videos. Just have to wait till March 2024 for the next ones… well we might do a few in between.

  • @emmyb7613
    @emmyb7613 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was very interesting, thank you, love you two! ❤

  • @benreadsgood
    @benreadsgood ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can hardly believe we’re finally on the cusp of finding out the winner!
    Demon is probably my favourite, and I’d be happy to see it win, but I am kind of rooting for Black Butterflies or Trespasses. Fire Rush would be a very worthy winner but I just didn’t gel with it (great ending though!)

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Barbara did it. And everyone was saying she couldn’t as she had won the Pulitzer. Watch out Booker I say. She could sweep the awards this year I reckon.

    • @benreadsgood
      @benreadsgood ปีที่แล้ว

      She did it! Very pleased for her 👏

  • @SelinaAllinson
    @SelinaAllinson ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree with what you said about Trespasses Simon. I also loved Cushla. As I was immersed in her world I got real feeling of helplessness. All this stuff was going on around her and happening to her, The Troubles, her mother's alcoholism, the affair she was involved in. I felt like she wasn't trying to change any of it rather than just live around it and exist and I found that really refreshing and I loved being in there with her.
    I'd LOVE Fire Rush to win. I loved Demon Copperhead but I think Fire Rush is really really special. I didn't even expect to like it and it was the last book I read on the shortlist. It's so good for so many reasons. So many surprises and changes. Just when you thought you were comfortable with something BAM another change and another twist. I listened to some Dub Reggae while reading parts of it and that was a really great experience ❤️
    You can put your book down now 😆😆 Haha love it
    Love the channel Simon ☕🩷

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Awwww thank you. Hope you keep loving it while I have a mini break from it. I hope you weren’t too upset Fire Rush didn’t win. I am sad but so happy for Barbara too.

    • @SelinaAllinson
      @SelinaAllinson ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SavidgeReads You enjoy your break Simon!! You look like you work so so hard. I don't know how you do it. Please enjoy your time away and whenever it is you decide to return everyone will still be here ❤️ I was happy Barbara won. Her book was truly amazing. I shed a few tears watching her take the prize. Very special.
      Enjoy the break and take care 🩷

  • @mashamj
    @mashamj ปีที่แล้ว

    Ah! I’ve been waiting for this video today, it’s now my annual tradition to watch these! ❤
    I’ve only read Black Butterflies so far but I think either Pod or Demon Copperhead are gonna win 🥸

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Awww so pleased to be a tradition. I like that.

  • @davidlittlebellschannel8282
    @davidlittlebellschannel8282 ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved Trespasses, the characters so believable, especially young Davy.

  • @cindyhaiken5644
    @cindyhaiken5644 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ah, I have been waiting for this video! Simon, what did you do with your Christmas presents???? You two are a riot together. Impossible for me to predict this year’s winner. My personal order is DC, Trespasses, MP, Black Butterflies, Fire Rush and Pod. I admire so much about Fire Rush but I just didn’t love it, I think mostly because the form of storytelling it uses is not my favorite. If it were not for the Pulitzer, I would expect DC to be the favorite. I know a lot of people who thought Trespasses was flawed, but I loved it. We’ll see very soon.

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I loved Trespasses. I spent all day wanting it to win. Thrilled with the winner though. Her speech made me and mum cry. We also had a lovely chat, I’m bff’s with her now. Ha. Presents wise. I used to find them all in advance. Every year. But mum was rubbish at hiding them.

    • @cindyhaiken5644
      @cindyhaiken5644 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SavidgeReads Her speech was perfect! I did a happy dance at work when she won! Sounds like you had an amazing evening.

  • @juliequick5526
    @juliequick5526 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderful to see your different takes, even though I disagreed a bit! Demon Copperhead was overwritten for me, but bow to your superior tastes 💖

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can discuss and disagree all you like that’s all part of the fun, it’s what me and mum do with each other after all. Ha.

  • @kduhy4379
    @kduhy4379 ปีที่แล้ว

    Id be happy if Fire Rush, Demon Copperhead or The Marriage Portrait wins

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahahaha. I think that’s called hedging your bets a little too much hehehe.

  • @karenmoore4430
    @karenmoore4430 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have a lovely break Simon see you in Julyx

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hopefully July. Well I’ve been told by my agent that it better be July. Hahaha.

  • @kduhy4379
    @kduhy4379 ปีที่แล้ว

    my choice today would be Fire Rush

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      Alas it wasn’t Fire Rush’s day!

  • @spexi513
    @spexi513 ปีที่แล้ว

    I get so weak at that artist formerly know as bit and her reaction to it 😂

  • @mradcaqbdb
    @mradcaqbdb ปีที่แล้ว

    My prediction: either Kingsolver or Crooks. Sadly, I have no desire to read either one.
    My choice: (1) Black Butterflies or (2) Trespasses
    I enjoyed hearing both your thoughts on these books. Very well done!

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad you enjoyed the videos even though you’ve no desire to head to some of the books. Ha.

    • @mradcaqbdb
      @mradcaqbdb ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SavidgeReads Hey, sometimes you change my mind about a book and sometimes you don’t. But you are always informative and entertaining.

  • @kathrynmccallum2157
    @kathrynmccallum2157 ปีที่แล้ว

    My prediction for the winner is Fire Rush! My personal winner was The Marriage Portrait ❤❤❤

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Two corkers. Such a good year this year.

  • @user-qo6tz1oe1v
    @user-qo6tz1oe1v ปีที่แล้ว

    In my opinion, The Poisonwood Bible is Kingsolver's best novel

  • @lauracorsi3309
    @lauracorsi3309 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the American cover of Trespasses is better.

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      I haven’t seen it but I bet it is.

  • @katrinamuritala3207
    @katrinamuritala3207 ปีที่แล้ว

    Number 6 pod number 5 trepass number fire rush number number 4 marriage not sure on the others but loved black butterflies and deamon copper head

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hope you were happy with the winner.

  • @janethansen9612
    @janethansen9612 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think it's wide open this year but my pick is Black Butterflies. The only one I don't want to win is Pod, I didn't overtly dislike it but it was just a meh book for me.

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      I think it’s been one of the strongest years ever.

  • @angelajones129
    @angelajones129 ปีที่แล้ว

    Time for a "Moody Reader" t-shirt. 😂

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hahaha. Could be a thing. Though I’m not really moody. Just a bit tired post Hay and in need of some chill time.

    • @angelajones129
      @angelajones129 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SavidgeReads I hope you find some time to do exactly that. 💜

  • @jenniferrosebruce6385
    @jenniferrosebruce6385 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can read any content about any disturbing issues, except abuse of animals. Simply cannot get my head around those topics, so wont be reading POD. Otherwise look so forward to you and mum,s collaborations . Your book review knowledge and insights are unlike other book tubers who just read the blurbs and I am left still unsure on a deeper level. The exceptions being The Book Castle by Alice and Louise ,s different take on her channel. ❤❤❤

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Awww thanks for saying such nice thinks about our reviews. That’s lovely. Means a lot.

  • @kduhy4379
    @kduhy4379 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you like beautiful , brutal books and haven't tried Jesmyn Ward maybe give her a go

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว

      I have read Jesmyn. Loved her women’s prize shortlisted novel. Very excited for her new one this year. Thing I’ve a proof coming.

  • @JardineraAnge
    @JardineraAnge ปีที่แล้ว

    💜💙💚🧡❤

  • @cathrineboysen1017
    @cathrineboysen1017 ปีที่แล้ว

    🧡📚🌈💜

  • @janepeacock3704
    @janepeacock3704 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanxx Both 👍🤓
    Re “A Little Life” - as you probably know, it’s now ‘on stage’ 🎭 & as much as I’d ❤️ to see James Norton (main character), I can’t go …. because it’s too disturbing imho 🥹

    • @SavidgeReads
      @SavidgeReads  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I saw it last month. It was powerful but also too much on occasion. I have mixed feelings.