Josh Pate On Notre Dame Joining A Conference (Late Kick Extra)
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- Notre Dame and Marcus Freeman saw another solid season in 2023 capped off by a top 10 finish in the JP Poll, and on the latest edition of the Late Kick Extra podcast Josh Pate responded to more robust debate brewing about whether the Irish may soon have to join a conference. Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Josh as an ND fan I do want to give you some props. You are ALWAYS fair to EVERYONE. I watch a lot of your videos that don’t have anything to do with ND and do so because I appreciate your level headed logic to football in general. Keep up the great work sir.
Clemson fan here. Absolutely LOVED Notre Dame and the campus! It was an amazing road trip and I had a lot of fun! Couldn’t recommend it more. I just wish we had won the game.
🤔 my experience was similar, of course Notre Dame has never beaten the Dawgs.
So that parts a little different.
@@kerrygardner773 I look forward to a potential playoff matchup soon
ND fan here, I went to the game this past season in Clemson and your guys campus was electric and beautiful. We loved it, I only hated the walk for away fans. 2 miles up and down hills sucks 😂
I also went to the game this last season and the Clemson fans were great hosts .
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ND fan. I was at the 2017 game, all the Dawg fans I met were awesome.
Had to laugh...I live in Frankfort, KY and am a lifelong (read 50+ years) ND fan. I agree, go to South Bend for a Fall afternoon visit. It's all it's cracked up to be. Cheers and Go Irish.
You’re correct Josh. The campus is special.
It's amazing to me how ND has maintained its unique mystique since I was taken in and transformed by it in 1967 as a scholarship athlete. Despite the power politics that permeates the administration and religious community that operate it, ND is possessed of a spiritual ethos that not even the arrogance of its 'betters' can destroy. The subway alumni - and Josh Pate gets an honorary mention here - are living testimony that the charism of ND extends as much to the little guy as anyone. I 💚 ND.
I too have a weird relationship with Notre Dame. I'm from the south also and I was raised to hate Notre Dame, the Charlie Weis years were so fun! But I also want Notre Dame to always be a contender. If Notre Dame is having a good season, the college football season feels right.
The ND campus is truly something special been to many College campuses but there is nothing like ND its just an incredible feeling when your on that campus can't explain it but its there
Notre Dame currently has a death grip on their independence. It will take them not having a path to a championship for them to join a conference. As a die hard ND fan myself I need to see just how difficult their path is by staying independent in this new playoff format.
You know it's funny, but I think that if Notre Dame joins a conference----and I'm not surprised if they do------it will be a surprise. Everybody seems to think that they'll become a member of the Big Ten, but I don't think so. At the end of the day they will join the ACC. The demise of the ACC is vastly overstated. Sure, they're losing FSU but I think everyone else is staying put and in the not too distant future ND is coming on board!
If Notre Dame loses 1 game their chance of making the playoffs are 50/50. If Notre dame loses 2 games their chances are basically zero. In the SEC and Big 10 that’s not the case. Possibly a 3 loss team could get in the playoffs if they win the conference championship. Why put yourself at an extreme disadvantage like that? just to keep the mystique that “hey we’re independent”.
What if … Notre Dame and NBC created a new conference comprised of the best FBS private schools in major TV markets? USC, Stanford, BYU, Baylor, TCU, SMU, Rice, Tulane, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Syracuse, Boston College, Duke, Wake Forest, Miami.
I always think it's funny that people hate ND for not being in a conference; yet nobody realizes that Michigan actively blackballed ND from joining what was then the Western Conference way back in the day. That's the whole reason they went independent in the first place.
ND wanted to join the big 10 in the 1920’s. Michigan and their bigotry against Catholics lead a campaign to boycott ND to from joining or even play ND unless that team in the BIG 10 that did play ND was ok with losing their spot in the conference. Thats where USC comes in and ND becoming a national and not a regional brand. So if you hate ND cause of their independence, blame Michigan
Facts
I think Yost used the Catholic angle because he didn't want actual competition. He was fine playing them while they were a punching bag.
@@jeremymiller6933 exactly, after we won against them for the first time they stopped playing us esp when we got Knute. Then 30 years later we play again, they beat us a lot. Then we beat them and they stop. Happened over and over that’s why they have the lead on the series. Also the audacity to say ND chickened out
You blaming Michigan from a 100 years on why Notre Dame not in a conference. More TH-cam comment section logic.
@@pharaohbtw that wasn’t the only time they boycotted ND on joining the Big 10. ND tried several times. They’ve always been scared of ND
If ND does join the B1G, they should do it sooner rather than later. They hold most of the bargaining chips right now. That may not be the case the longer they wait. Personally, as an ND fan, I think it would be fun - especially since USC has joined.
Leverage buddy
ND currently has very little bargaining chips with the B1G. That's why they joined the ACC with that crazy deal because the P2 said no thanks. And the B1G already wrote them into their agreement so there's nothing to negotiate. It's a take it or leave it deal already in writing. ND had the most leverage pre-COVID-19. I do agree they should join at the same time FSU departs the ACC and destabilizes it. At that point they lose all leverage.
@@heartbreak25 You are delusional. The B1G would bend over backwards to get ND to join. There are still the matters of the ACC buyout, revenue-sharing, and ND's deal with NBC televising home games, which I would imagine ND would insist on keeping. Bringing an extra $200 million from the major networks - plus millions of more eyeballs to boost the Big-10 network ratings - to the conference carries a lot of bargaining power.
@@Necile2 Jack Swarbrick said on Dan Patrick's regarding joining a conference that if the ACC didn't throw ND a lifeboat, it would've been very challenging to remain independent during the COVID-19 period. He strongly implied other conferences rejected the "bend over backwards" offer that the ACC accepted. If I'm delusional then so is the former AD who said it which you can Google and watch.
ND is not earning $200 million from NBC and the partial payment from the ACC. Stop.
If they have a lot of bargaining power, then what exactly can they bargain other than what was already offered? It's this type of ridiculous statements that have turned so many people off from Notre Dame and why the P2 was formed without them.
@heartbreak25 Is English not your first language? The rider in the contract with the networks and the B1G if ND joins is $200 million. No one said they were earning that on their own. My whole post was regarding IF ND joined the B1G. It had nothing to do with the deal ND worked out with the ACC. If the ACC implodes, that is what will dilute ND's bargaining power because they will have no place to park their olympic sports. That's why I said they should do this while they still have the bargaining chips. And the B1G is not the only avenue available to ND. The SEC would also take them in a heartbeat. And spare me the "this is why people hate ND" crap. You would hate them no matter what anyone said because you are jealous of their independence. Nothing is stopping YOUR team from being independent, unless they can't carry it off without having a dozen other teams prop them up.
I can kinda understand the ND hate, but there are a lot of people that pretend that ND wouldn't bring major money at all wherever they would go. Like people pretend they have the same or slightly above the value of Army/Navy, and thats ridiculous. They would bring an entire network with them and a top 10 average viewership by team
Josh speaks truth and cuts through the misguided bigotry. ND isn’t independent because of arrogance they are independent because they were rejected 3 times and then made a tough national schedule work for them. However, the change in college football to an NFL minor league may now require another try at a conference…and the Big 10 makes most sense.
The only reason that so many people want ND to have to join a conference is so that ND can boost the conference money collective, and everyone in said conference can benefit from ND getting in.
Here’s a fresh take. How about abolishing all conferences, and see what teams can no longer maintain?
It would be a lot of teams and notre dame/Ohio state would be on top
As a buckeye fan that doesn't scare me, but it'd be ridiculous. I want ND to join the B10 because their rivals are there both geographically and historically
Very well laid out Josh. Wish more in the media landscape had more measured takes.
Man, as a younger Penn State fan, bring the ND Penn State rivalry back! Come to the Big Ten, we have USC and Michigan here too for ND
See you soon Notre Dame!
Sincerely,
The Big Ten
If ND goes undefeated in the regular season, they will always be in the playoffs. That is reality now, and it won't change.
I've been to Notre Dame's Campus before. Even got my picture taken in front of Touchdown Jesus and the Golden Dome. South Bend, Indiana isn't all that great however. If they joined the B1G, they would get to play Michigan, MSU, PSU, and Purdue regularly now.
100% agree. Live in Ohio and was a huge Ohio state fan, went to Notre Dame game, Long story short, have season tix. The school represents GOD,most of all, but FAMILY VALUES, TRADITION, If it didnt mean anything, it would just be a small school in Indiana❤☘️p.s. I still have ptsd from ohio state game😂
Yeah that game was rough I was there too
My sister works in Dublin so went to the Notre Dame game last year. Her company got sent some corporate tickets
Anyways she’s an alpha and plays rugby so kept texting me sh*t like - oooh that guy is hot, just my type, I could take him no problem, who is the coach…he’s my cuppa tea.
😮
That’s the closest I’ve come to blocking a family member.
It’s up to them if they want to or not!
You know I'm not even a ND fan, but if it were up to me I'd give the committee the discretion that if they think ND is one of the best four teams they can just give them one of those top four seeds. Maybe you could add that they have to play 10 p4: teams. And this caveat would be for ND ONLY lol. I feel like that very much in the spirit of college football.
Josh good eval. Notre Dame in the next three years and form their own conference with selected team joining. This would force the 14 team playoff structure to accommodate them. Possible teams, Penn State, Miami Fl. Florida St., Clemson, North Carolina, Duke, Boston College, Northwestern, Baylor and Stanford. The conference could be called American Legacy Conference. The television rights would be in the billions.
As an Alum, I appreciate the praise. We'll see what happens.
9 mil a year when B10 is paying over 50 mil? Seems kind of dumb to say 9 is cool.
ND hockey is in the Big Ten
And the other sports other than football are ACC.
Harder than nailing jello to the wall. Great phrase. Admittedly I am going to use that.
As long as there isn't a rule literally banning ND from the playoff if they're independent, they won't join a conference.
I don't think they will unless there is another major conference expansion happens because then there wouldn't be enough open games to fit in all their traditional rivals and at that point they would probably be missing out on a good chunk of revenue to the point where they have to ask themselves if it's worth being independent
If/when the SEC and Big 10 say they want most of the slots in the future CFP it will likely cause ND to join one of the two.
Right now no they won't cause of the NBC contract. And they don't want to share the MONEY!!
@@johnbochenek5526nope sorry buddy
They can go be as irrelevant as they’ve been since “Rudy” came out with the non Power 2 schools when the B10 and SEC do an NFL style playoffs on their own
I don’t see why they would. They get a “by” in a way because they don’t have to play a conference championship. If they make the playoff, they get a home game. They may have to play an extra playoff game without a chance for a “by”, but they are sitting pretty where they are. There is no strong motivation to join a conference.
They don't play an FCS game (save 1 time for HBCU) like everyone else so they don't get that bye
It’s “bye”, ffs.
NBC, they will if it’s extremely profitable
College football was waaaay better with more independent schools, not less.
Ask Penn State if they are better off now or before. Better yet, ask Miami.
But forget about that. Instead, unless you aren't old enough to remember, think about that period and ask yourself, was college football as a whole better then? Of course it was!
40 years ago. Notre Dame was THE greatest college football program. So imo, that program staying independent was their way of being a program alone as one that had power status. But since the last national title by Notre Dame in 1988, and clearly becoming more like the other independent programs at the time, like Army, and I think Penn St was an independent, so was FSU. The label of being independent doesn't have that same punch as what the SEC and the B1G's punch has done to the world of college football, and college sports in general, but mainly football. Notre Dame should absolutely join a conference. Because I know alot of Notre Dame fans are proud of that label and it gives them their stand alone program what seems to be a right of passage. But I am pretty sure that if they don't. They will slowly fade into the nothingness that is what we used to call college football. I want Notre Dame to be a team that remains relevant. And I think joining a conference is their only path to doing so. And imo, the B1G is where they belong. Especially the days of old when ND was THE program! They played Michigan, and USC every year. That Michigan rivalry was amazing!
The fact that you're talking about Notre Dame shows how relevant they are. Don't worry about Notre Dame. They're in good hands. Their AD Jack Swarbrick was in the room when the playoff format was designed. He's the only AD in the country that had input on the the new playoff, along with two conference commissioners. Outsiders don't understand why ND values playing a national schedule with traditional rivalries. Until they're forced to join a conference in order to be included in the playoff, they won't join a conference in football. I can absolutely guarantee that. If they are forced, I can assure you that they have contingency plans in place. Think about it. Why would the powers that be want to force Notre Dame out of the playoffs? Notre Dame means eyeballs, like it or not, it's a fact. That translates into ratings, which translate to TV revenues. Notre Dame has all the leverage right now.
Go Irish 🍀
Jack Swarbrick just recently talked-about this kind of thing in the media: ND has ZERO intention of joining a conference, but the 'news' about it by people like Pate create for Notre Dame the need to dispel these poorly-informed stories, based on nothing other than speculation, and without ever having sought Notre Dame's reaction.
Yes they'll join a conference: No, it will NOT be the Big Ten. To all of those outside of the Midwest Big 10 area, we are keenly aware that Notre Dame is in Indiana. That does not mean that the Big 10 wants them in the conference. We've let Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland, USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington join before Notre Dame. Expect Notre Dame to go to the ACC where the majority of their sports are played.
😂 The big conference that can't count "let" those teams join before ND? You make it sound as if ND was trying to join but were turned down in favor of the teams you listed!
I promise you, there isn't a conference that exists today, or in the future, that wouldn't roll out a red carpet if ND came knocking. And that includes the big ten.
The only thing that will cause them to join a conference is not being able to schedule top D1 teams. Also a tv deal that isn't competitive. Other than that they are in good shape.
We will join a conference when pigs fly unless there is another pandemic
Have fun being with the leftovers then
Think it hinges on what happens to the ACC because all their other sports are in that conference and they also have a scheduling agreement in football with that conference. If the ACC is suddenly without FSU, Clemson, Miami and UNC then they might be forced to make a move. Maybe they join a conference or maybe they just change their scheduling agreement/conference membership in other sports to the B10 or SEC though and manage to stay independent in football.
If the Big math and the SEC collaborate to build the post season they want, Notre Dame will have a choice: join one or stay independent and be left out like a G5. It's not the world I would build, but it's the one we're going to get. Adapt or die.
Ok, big Notre Dame fan here. If everyone wants ND to join a conference, just stop letting their Olympic sports join without football. It is that simple.
Penn State was independent until they couldn’t handle the financial aspects of independence. They chose to join a conference in 1990
As Swarbrick stated:
1) broadcast partner
2) good home for non-rev sports
3) path to the football national championship
The moment any of those 3 things is no longer viable with ND as an independent in football, ND will join a conference.
I think the playoff format also helps them out too. With expanding, yes ND only gets to be ranked as high as 5, but I’ll take that and here’s why.
If they joined a conference, their schedule would go like this assuming they get top 4:
Conference champ (neutral)
Bye
Playoff (neutral)
Playoff (neutral)
Playoff (neutral)
If I’m ND and I’m independent and get the 5 seed, it goes
Conference Champ (BYE)
Playoff game (home)
Playoff game (neutral)
Playoff game (neutral)
Playoff game (neutral)
I’d rather have a bye and play a home game + 3 neutrals then play a neutral, have a bye, and then play 3 more neutrals
What if FSU and Clemson join the SEC, then the 2 big conferences are essentially set from that point, but then Notre Dame takes themselves and the 4 or 5 other best football products in the ACC and join the XII? So like Miami, Louisville, Pitt, Virginia Tech, NC State? Notre Dame retains the national scheduling model they have prioritized and maintians it with let's just say 6 games between themselves and XII teams? Then they take the other 6 and split them between B1G and SEC?
I can see ND placing a ton of value on hosting playoff games perhaps they value it so much they would forego a bye
Notre Dame dosent need a Conference. The conference championship games are de facto playoff games with way the losers all but eliminated. And while those games are going on and teams are getting eliminated ND is sitting comfortably at home watching. It’s basically a bye week BEFORE the playoffs. And let’s say ND goes undefeated and is seeded #5. They’ll get a home playoff game, something #1-#4 WON’T get, and play the #12 seed. And if they win that game they’ll play the lowest seed of #1-#4 (the 4 seed).
Personally, a bye before the playoffs start, a home game against a weaker opponent, and a subsequent playoff game against the lowest seeded team who has a bye sounds pretty darn fair to me.
The Superleague could force them but as everything stands now no.
"Oh ND wont have a bye week for the playoffs"
Yes they do lol it just comes up earlier on conference championship weekend
As an ND fan, the idea of eventually joining a conference never bothered me too much, but I really hate the direction the SEC and Big Ten are taking the sport. If they want to create their own postseason and block everyone else from participating, then let them. I think I’d rather have ND be a G5 team than join a worse version of the NFL.
Here is the situation (in my opinion) It is inevitable that FSU will be allowed to leave the ACC (SEC calling?) When that happens, expect the ACC to go the way of the PAC 12. If this occurs this will force Notre Dame to join a conference. Possibly the Big 10 or whatever their name is now.😅
The SEC isn't calling but the BIG is...
the ACC disbanding will be good for ND lol that deal has turned out to be awful in terms of SOS for ND. I would expect a similar deal to be made with the big ten if that were to happen.
Unless they specifically say, only conference teams can get into the CFP, there is no way Notre Dame is joining a conference. It's all a money and ratings grab by conferences and I can prove it by saying, no one is talking about UConn. They are independent and no one is worried about them at all. Why? Because they have no real football brand and no real football ratings so they are completely overlooked. If the issue really was, being in a conference is just the best way to survive in college football, they would bring UConn into this too and force them into the ACC or something. Notre Dame isn't worried about money. They stay independent for tradition. That's way more important to us ND fans than conference money. Notre Dame makes an absurd amount of money each year and the donors love to pull money together for the team. It's such a fundamental tradition, it would be equivalent to say only teams without large banners can be in the top 4 seeds (Michigan). Only teams that don't do the Tomahawk Chop can be in the top 4 seeds (Florida St.) Only teams that are in a conference can be in the top 4 seeds (Notre Dame). And all the school would react the same... Okay, we'll play an extra game in the CFP because losing tradition is not an option
I agree with you.. but to me that tradition died a decade ago when they got affiliated with the ACC. It’s not really an independent schedule, only semi. Notre dame doesn’t even play Michigan/Michigan state any more, and the rivalries they used to have and we saw every year are just every other year or every few years.
Swarbrick has said that football needs to be a “Stand Alone” entity. Go back to original conferences in all other sports and create a 50 team super league for football. Lower tier conferences and teams can fight their way into the top 50 like European soccer teams
Long time ago. ND wanted to join a conference (what is currently the B1G) and not only got rejected (UM fault) but were prevented from playing teams that were close. That’s why the USC rivalry got started and they played a national schedule. So now that ND doesn’t want/need to join a conference they won’t as long as they have access to the CFP. Take that away ND will join. So if you hate everything with ND 1 blame Michigan and 2 reference Josh’s last video about ND.
It will mever happen the make way to mich money from the tv contract why share that with a conference
Notre Dame is part of the Big Ten for men's Ice hockey. For football, they are loosely part of the ACC. So they either stay as they are. Or start over as completely part of a conference. They show no interest in changing.
ND has shown plenty interest recently of joining the B10. They tried to join a long time ago.
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ND is joining the BIG10. Negotiations are already underway.
If the SEC and Big Infinity get the two byes in CFP, ND has zero need to join a conference.
FSU to the Big10 would give the Big 10 state of Florida’s media markets & Florida recruiting. SEC immediately is weaker !!! Win win for both.
You need to qualify things for context. Notre Dame as an institution is a member of conferences. All their sports belong to either the ACC or B1G except FB. And even then, they only control 7 games. So roughly 60% of their schedule in one sport. Not how I would define independence.
You can define it any way you want. According to the ACC media rights deal, ND is very much independent. At the end of the day, that’s the salient point, and the big reason this is even a conversation.
Makes no sense financially for Notre Dame to join conference they make more as their own brand than it would be if they joined conference
Go Irish ☘️ ☘️
If they aren't in a conference they shouldn't play for a championship. They can have their TV contract.
During the covid season ND beat Clempson at home. Fans rushed the field. And they didn't get fined from a dopey conference.
Go Irish
Every person in that stadium was tested for COVID before they were even allowed in. I don't know why people thought that was going to be a super-spreader. You can't spread what you don't have.
@@Necile2 We're talking about why independence is an advantage.
@@Robotron2084psn Oh, got it.
Go Irish!
I mean I appreciate Notre dame’s sense of independence compared to certain other sellouts littered across this sports
*cough*Texas*cough*
They make 9 figures from NBC?
New deal rumored to be around 50 mil. Precious was 15-25 per year plus ACC kickbacks
@@bobo2u7damn that's almost as much as CBS was paying for the SEC all those years
NO!!! We aren’t. Nothing indicates we might need to at all. Until that happens, we wont
Stop letting the Olympic sports join without football. That is how the conferences have to stop enabling this.
The issue is going to be scheduling.
And money
@@Mike-sp7zv IDK. If there is a split between the schools who employ football players and the schools that have students playing I think ND will end up with the student athlete schools even if the money is less.
One more team BYU, a total of 12 teams.
Nope, not joining a conference.
Does it matter?? even a little?
A four minute non-answer to the question... nobody rides a fence like Josh Pate
Partially because there's not really a good answer. At this point, we don't know because we have no idea what's happening to the rest of the conferences and playoff format. ND doesn't want to join a conference, but I think they would want to be excluded from the playoffs less. It's a fair answer to say "it's definitely more possible than we thought before, but we're still waiting and seeing what happens"
State the obvious. The Southern bias stemmed solely on bigotry toward Catholics.
If you think about it how independent are they? Not being in a conference just means they have no say moving forward because they are going to be forced by the TV execs to play all those teams in the conference they refuse to join but they will have little say on scheduling and those schools given how hard there in confidence schedules are, will more the likely over time not want to schedule them so ND needs them way more then they need ND. In fact the Big Ten and SEC don’t need them at all. So you are holding on to some mythical independence when in fact you are just giving up having any say in how collage football will be moving forward.
A big twelve
I’ve been there a couple of times. It doesn’t do anything for me. They should join a conference
Much love and respect for Notre Dame; but they lost most of their credibility in the late 1980's when Lou Holtz gave a full scholarship to Rahib Ismail. When asked about recruiting a muslim; Holtz said: "he runs fast and catches the ball"....
I know I’ve already said this before, but I’ve gotta say it again: Notre Dame needs to join the Big Ten. At this point, Notre Dame would be foolish NOT to join the Big Ten.
The Irish won’t join the big ten
5 years independent= 100 million less than Rutgers in an NIL era
This crap where Notre Dame just floats along no confrence has to end.
Why is it “crap”?
Blame the wolverines
@@hermitudinous Why are they special ?
Answer the question. Why is not being in a conference “crap”?
@@hermitudinous Because they can't be kept out of play off games like other teams in a conference can be. They havent been relevent in years as it is(1988), and get the consideration that they do because of their following, not their potential.
Tell ND they can be part of the real big boy college football league or be the #1 team in some leftover conference that only leftovers care about
When nd makes their choice we should either embrace them losing in the playoffs every now and then or looking down upon them as we do to Louisiana Tech and the rest of the leftovers.
Like anyone values your opinion enough to care if you "look down on us." You're a nobody who has no bearing on any of our lives.
The B1G/SEC should not schedule ND
They will keep doing it though. The ratings and sales are way too good to not. Notre Dame just has too much pull
Be mad if you want but notre dame brings the doe. Big 10 and SEC salivate over scheduling notre dame
Agree....the SEC should keep scheduling Eastern Montana Tech at home. It's good for the highlights.
Who cares .
Notre Dame gets special treatment for some reason. Its not the 80s anymore.
I have the same desire to go to Notre Dame as I do LA. Zero
Notre Dame ain’t winning a natty regardless
Thank God, it would be worse than alabama winning
You better pray to whatever god you pray too that they don't ever win a natty.
@@skylernd8323I believe in Jesus . & no prayer needed a good season for them is 10 wins a cotton bowl appearance
@@KingPolo985that's an average season for them
ND winning a natty this year
Conferences should be for volleyball teams. Follow the ND model
The national media is so ignorant, ND won't be joining a conference anytime soon but keep wishing, keep up the bs takes for click bait
It doesn't matter ND can stay independent and if the 2 big conference join ND should form there own conference and playoffs plus national championship since they don't need these conferences. A lot of talk from some fans saying they don't SEC bigten ACC or whoever. They got all money they need