Then again, they specifically had the new form be something Sonic can't use anymore after he overused it. That could have been a compromise to let them have a new form without invoking power creep. It's pretty much in the same boat as Hyper Sonic now.
@@ZachStone3213To be fair, Hyper Sonic is generally always much harder to achieve than Super Sonic, no matter the situation... besides hunting the Chaos Emeralds, you must take them to the Emerald Shrine alongside the Master Emerald, summon the Super Emeralds, and THEN awaken their power... _one by one._ Sure, the result is an even more godlike Super Sonic, but the Super Emeralds can't stay active for long and unlocking them is a lengthy process... not something you can do in the face of danger, and not something you can prepare in advance.
@Eldoofus Then you don't know what Power creep is. If they bring back Hyper Sonic even once, then that will be the new standard. Nothing else would be cooler, so they'd have to bring Hyper sonic back in every game otherwise the game would be lame, but if they keep reusing Hyper Sonic then Hyper Sonic will be lame. Better to sick to the whole Super Sonic is the final form or another situational form.
@@FowaJCT kinda too late since they introduced Hyper Sonic as this new, awesome form that Sonic can obtain in Sonic 3&K. Just like SS2, Hyper can be situational like it drains too much from the Master Emerald or that the Super Emeralds break, making it impossible for them to be used again.
Didn’t the moon said tear between dimensions and isn’t the super emeralds in another dimension, that means it’s possible if they bring back hyper sonic
Fun fact: the devs originally planned to have sonic use the chaos emeralds, cyber corruption and summon the power of the ancients to transform into hyper sonic in the final battle but they scrapped it off Check the wiki to see for yourselves.
@@matiasriesgo119Solaris was able to defeat with the help of a super form, so the hyper form will not be necessary. The fact that Ian wanted to bring back his hyper form for the battle against The End is reinforced by the fact that The End is a threat to the Multiverse level more than Solaris.
@@HonestJohn_01.19 Yeah and it's brilliant. The modder could have easily just had him go from hyper sonic to normal sonic. But he didn't. He distinctly made sure all 3 forms were accounted for during the cutscene. Mad props for small attention to detail.
*Power Up* “Master King Koco’s trial has connected Super Sonic’s hidden power to the Master Emerald, even from far away. Parry has powered up to become Ultra Parry, which can reflect any amounts AND types of attacks at once. Ultra Parry STILL needs the exact timing to pull it off. Keep moving forward in that Hyper Sonic glow! Show The End the power that has connected you with your friends!”
The only way this could get any cooler, is if the song started playing Doomsday or sky sanctuary bits during the song to hint at hyper sonic's originl, sonic 3 & knuckles. ^^
For people who don't know what Power creep is. If they bring back Hyper Sonic even once, then that will be the new standard. Nothing else would be cooler, so they'd have to bring Hyper sonic back in every game otherwise the game would be lame and not meet expectations, but if they keep reusing Hyper Sonic then Hyper Sonic will be lame. Better to sick to the whole Super Sonic is the final form or another situational form. However Hyper Sonic should be brought back in the comics, that be cool.
It's not because of "power creep" I don't know why people keep saying this it's because of copyright issues with dragon Ball. If Sega was worried about Sonic becoming "too powerful" then he wouldn't have any other forms besides super to begin with
@@HYPERxSONICxFANx2012 Sega doesn't want any more similarities with dragon Ball so they fear that if they use hyper again it might lead to some legal controversies which is just stupid because hyper was before ultra instinct.
I don’t know if anyone will see this comment because im late but if you go to 4:21 where the plasma ball is you can see sonic flash from super sonic 2 back to his original form if he’s under a certain ring count But lets be fr your only gonna see it with this mod
Hyper is still miles and tons stronger than Cyber Super Sonic 1 Super emerald is literally the equivalent of 7 Chaos Emeralds, and using 7 Super Emeralds? Hyper Sonic is on a different level
@@nobu6833I'm sorry, but this information is from Archie Comics. It is not actually known how much stronger the Super Emerald is than the normal Emerald.
its a controversial topic since it caused seizures with the color swapping. i dont think they will bring him back sadly and if they do i hope they make him as op as possible.
@@captaindystopia I’m pretty sure that’s just a myth. If it did cause seizures they wouldn’t have released sonic 3 & knuckles multiple times afterwards with no changes to hyper sonic
Its stuff like "super sonic 2" that make me question wtf they ment by "powercreep" when hyper sonic keeps getting rejected. They made forms left wnd right back in the 2000s and that wasnt a problem then
Well too bad we will never see hyper sonic Sega has stated that they didnt like hyper and the only reason they added him in the first place is to reward the people for grinding the emerald stages in 3 and knuckles.
I firmly believe that Hyper Sonic could have been utilized in this story, say Tails has this one line saying "We know something about the Chaos Emeralds that the Ancients didn't, the Super Emeralds!" and they work to try find a way to restore the broken Super Emeralds left on Angel Island (As seen in Mania), which Knuckles could help in that department with his knowledge of the Servers of the 7 Chaos, utilizing Cyberspace to transport the Super Emeralds to the Islands and have Sonic go through the trials so the Ancients could restore the Super Emeralds to their former glory but will break again after their use when he goes all out just like the Cyber Sonic form. The God that the Ancients worshipped likely also was the Creator of Dark and Light Gaia, of which the Light Gaia temples restored power to the Emeralds in Unleashed, so why not have a similar situation with the Ancients? It's a good way to emphasize that the Ancients have bestowed and entrusted the Chaos Emeralds upon the world and they're being utilized a way that they never had thought was possible, as they had no idea the Master Emerald even existed before their arrival on Earth, so the Super Emeralds is another surprise to them. Its very story heavy and not an asspull. It's a pity that Sonic team just won't allow it.
He *Was* supposed to appear as part of the final battle. The wiki shows in the trivia section that Sonic would've called out to the Koko and the Ancients' remaining memories and channeled that into the energy to become Hyper Sonic. Ian himself originally pitched this idea, but it was rejected. Proof that Ian understands what the fans want better than the damn higher-ups. Flynn wanted to give us Hyper Sonic, *but the people in charge wanted the Space Shooter instead.*
@@SabeNo-rh7mb It's not like they couldn't have both. Have Supreme, have the Ikaruga shooter, then have a fight inside the dark moon involving Hyper Sonic.
This was like the best chance to bring back Hyper Sonic in Sonic Frontiers the Final Horizon I’m mean sure Super Sonic 2 did looked cool but it would’ve been way cooler if they had brought back Hyper Sonic
If we're at the point where Sega has to power up Super Sonic then they might as well bring back Hyper. There is only so much Super can do. Not saying he shouldn't still be around. In DBZ, we still will always see SSJ1 despite Goku having much stronger forms.
sega always does this, they bring new forms that are only used once due to the conditionals, the only difference is that Super Sonic 2 is stated to be stronger than Super Sonic, or at least, the hidden power of Super Sonic, that's at least is an advancement to the return of Hyper Sonic
Exactly. Especially since this form was a direct power up Super Sonic rather than a new transformation entirely. This should have just been hyper sonic
is there a mod where sonic doesnt go super sonic 2? like a line of code i can change to make it only just super sonic for the end fight. it seems possible without the powerup ngl
Sega’s refusal to bring back Hyper Sonic is ridiculous. You gave it to us once and here we had the perfect opportunity to have it again, even for only a single fight. “We don’t want to fall into the new form trope” (or something like that) Oh but it’s fine here with Super Sonic 2/Cyber Sonic? What about Dark Spine Sonic? Or Excalibur Sonic?
It's just that Powered Up and Cyber are just a power up for the super form himself, and Darkspine and Excalibur are situational forms for other worlds. Hyper is a full-fledged new form as a form of Super Saiyan, so it was abandoned.
2:03 - i think that Cyber Super Sonic phase 1 is more like Ultra Sonic from Archie comics (~4 Super Sonic's). And phase 2 8:03 (final blow) is getting close to power of Hyper Sonic (4 or 5 Ultra Sonic's)
This is cap but in 5he real game 5hat actually happens but he does not turn hyper he turns cyber super sonic wich is super sonic but with cyan eyes and 2x stronger
Man i knew im not the only one feeling wired about the new update even though frontiers is good game but not perfect and transformation should look cool like this still disappointing
Ian Flynn wants Hyper Sonic in the fight The End but Sega Declined.
In Bright side we get Super Duper Sonic
Or super sonic 2
lol tfs
Imagine if we got super dee duper Sonic
i used to use a sprite sheet of ss3 sonic and loved it@@generaljimmies3429
Ultra Mega Sonic.
_4:24__ THAT TIMING THO_
The transition between Super Sonic and Hyper Sonic, especially in the cinematics was very well done. Glad someone was paying attention to the details.
Now that's going all out
With sega backtracking on the idea of power creep and giving sonic new forms, I think we’ll maybe see hyper sonic again one day.
Yessir
Then again, they specifically had the new form be something Sonic can't use anymore after he overused it. That could have been a compromise to let them have a new form without invoking power creep. It's pretty much in the same boat as Hyper Sonic now.
@@ZachStone3213To be fair, Hyper Sonic is generally always much harder to achieve than Super Sonic, no matter the situation... besides hunting the Chaos Emeralds, you must take them to the Emerald Shrine alongside the Master Emerald, summon the Super Emeralds, and THEN awaken their power... _one by one._
Sure, the result is an even more godlike Super Sonic, but the Super Emeralds can't stay active for long and unlocking them is a lengthy process... not something you can do in the face of danger, and not something you can prepare in advance.
@Eldoofus Then you don't know what Power creep is. If they bring back Hyper Sonic even once, then that will be the new standard. Nothing else would be cooler, so they'd have to bring Hyper sonic back in every game otherwise the game would be lame, but if they keep reusing Hyper Sonic then Hyper Sonic will be lame. Better to sick to the whole Super Sonic is the final form or another situational form.
@@FowaJCT kinda too late since they introduced Hyper Sonic as this new, awesome form that Sonic can obtain in Sonic 3&K.
Just like SS2, Hyper can be situational like it drains too much from the Master Emerald or that the Super Emeralds break, making it impossible for them to be used again.
This would've been a great opportunity to bring back Hyper Sonic. But, perhaps it was too soon.
If the end makes a reappeaance than yeah he should reappear.
Yeah- especially cause hyper sonic could beat the end better than super
In fact, Ian Flynn wanted to bring Hyper Sonic back in this scene, but SEGA wouldn't let him, so it stayed that way.
Didn’t the moon said tear between dimensions and isn’t the super emeralds in another dimension, that means it’s possible if they bring back hyper sonic
Nah izuka was just too weird about it
That transformation of Hyper Sonic was to be more amazing of 😁
Hi
No cap, this is what I thought we were gonna get. The return of Hyper Sonic, being the hidden power of the chaos emeralds
Fun fact: the devs originally planned to have sonic use the chaos emeralds, cyber corruption and summon the power of the ancients to transform into hyper sonic in the final battle but they scrapped it off
Check the wiki to see for yourselves.
The fact they scrapped it makes me so mad
it's better to save the hyper form for a multiversal threat, like solaris
@@matiasriesgo119Solaris was able to defeat with the help of a super form, so the hyper form will not be necessary. The fact that Ian wanted to bring back his hyper form for the battle against The End is reinforced by the fact that The End is a threat to the Multiverse level more than Solaris.
I just learned that last *Night!* I'm like 'We gave up *This* for the damn *Space Shooter?'*
*apparently*
Man this would had been a perfect time to reintroduce Hyper Sonic into a Sonic game, would had flipped the lid to see this in the trailer.
only if sega let ian use hyper sonic😔
It's okay, if we ever get Sonic Adventure 3- It's a blessing in disguise to still have Hyper Sonic in their back pockets.
Hyper Sonic will be back! Hopefully!
I guess it won't happen
I believe
Yeah keep coping and hoping
Keep dreaming he won't happen again
In order for Sega to bring back Hyper Sonic, he would have to go against Unicron from Transformers
Going from super to hyper and hyper to super is INSANE! Well done!
They literally just swapped models. The particles, and transformation/ transformation sequences was all Sega.
Transformation/ de-transformation*
@@HonestJohn_01.19 Yeah and it's brilliant. The modder could have easily just had him go from hyper sonic to normal sonic. But he didn't. He distinctly made sure all 3 forms were accounted for during the cutscene. Mad props for small attention to detail.
4:17
*Power Up*
“Master King Koco’s trial has connected Super Sonic’s hidden power to the Master Emerald, even from far away. Parry has powered up to become Ultra Parry, which can reflect any amounts AND types of attacks at once. Ultra Parry STILL needs the exact timing to pull it off.
Keep moving forward in that Hyper Sonic glow! Show The End the power that has connected you with your friends!”
mind if i use this for my headcanon?
👍
Update hasn't been out for a week and we're already getting mods that's awesome:)
Good to know I’m not the only one who misses Hyper Sonic
Ain’t no way bro genuinely believed he was the only one 💀
I’m sure that Hyper Sonic would win this with no effort.
I cannot express how glad I am to see a new sonic form for the first time in years.
You somehow made the fight even better and I'm so proud.
The only way this could get any cooler, is if the song started playing Doomsday or sky sanctuary bits during the song to hint at hyper sonic's originl, sonic 3 & knuckles. ^^
Ian’s vision has been made lol
For people who don't know what Power creep is. If they bring back Hyper Sonic even once, then that will be the new standard. Nothing else would be cooler, so they'd have to bring Hyper sonic back in every game otherwise the game would be lame and not meet expectations, but if they keep reusing Hyper Sonic then Hyper Sonic will be lame. Better to sick to the whole Super Sonic is the final form or another situational form. However Hyper Sonic should be brought back in the comics, that be cool.
i still say having just super sonic is boring
I mean super sonic in itself has been overused. Also dragonball is still popular despite the horrid amount of power creep.
It's not because of "power creep" I don't know why people keep saying this it's because of copyright issues with dragon Ball. If Sega was worried about Sonic becoming "too powerful" then he wouldn't have any other forms besides super to begin with
@@ashuraomega1000 what copyright issues? how is there copyright issues for a form that's existed long before ultra instinct?
@@HYPERxSONICxFANx2012 Sega doesn't want any more similarities with dragon Ball so they fear that if they use hyper again it might lead to some legal controversies which is just stupid because hyper was before ultra instinct.
I don’t know if anyone will see this comment because im late but if you go to 4:21 where the plasma ball is you can see sonic flash from super sonic 2 back to his original form if he’s under a certain ring count
But lets be fr your only gonna see it with this mod
Dang there are already mods
That’s what I’m sayin 💀
"Hey guys, we accidentally found the super emeralds, crazy, right guys!"
You know, I wonder if the corrupted sonic form is more powerful than hyper
Maybe when he goes all out.
Hyper is still miles and tons stronger than Cyber Super Sonic
1 Super emerald is literally the equivalent of 7 Chaos Emeralds, and using 7 Super Emeralds? Hyper Sonic is on a different level
@@nobu6833I'm sorry, but this information is from Archie Comics. It is not actually known how much stronger the Super Emerald is than the normal Emerald.
Bro that transformation was chefs kiss
It would've been great to see Hyper Sonic return but I guess another day. Across a new horizon.
I don't think we'll ever actually see Hyper Sonic in another Sonic game.
its a controversial topic since it caused seizures with the color swapping. i dont think they will bring him back sadly and if they do i hope they make him as op as possible.
@@captaindystopiathey can just slow down his flashing colors so he won’t cause seizures
@@Gorilla-r4gor just make him white, white is a mix of all colors anyway
@@captaindystopia I’m pretty sure that’s just a myth. If it did cause seizures they wouldn’t have released sonic 3 & knuckles multiple times afterwards with no changes to hyper sonic
well thats just a good point. but what i say is what borderline everyone says so i dont know@@bagelgod946
Its stuff like "super sonic 2" that make me question wtf they ment by "powercreep" when hyper sonic keeps getting rejected. They made forms left wnd right back in the 2000s and that wasnt a problem then
Actually the 2010s didn't have any new forms for Sonic, tho the 2000s had a few.
@@sylasexd whoops, typo on my part
I kinda wish that Hyper Sonic exist in every modern Sonic games.
Ok, maybe not every game
@@This-is-a-commentt Whaddaya mean?
@@xavierkittreles2711 he doesn’t need to exist in every modern game, maybe a few
And that's irrelevant because?
@@xavierkittreles2711 why?
"unleash hyper sonic!" "Sonic has found A new power after harnessing the power of the seven super emeralds, go fourth and destroy!"
You know I wonder if Hyper Sonic will Work on the metarex saga
Well too bad we will never see hyper sonic
Sega has stated that they didnt like hyper and the only reason they added him in the first place is to reward the people for grinding the emerald stages in 3 and knuckles.
I firmly believe that Hyper Sonic could have been utilized in this story, say Tails has this one line saying "We know something about the Chaos Emeralds that the Ancients didn't, the Super Emeralds!" and they work to try find a way to restore the broken Super Emeralds left on Angel Island (As seen in Mania), which Knuckles could help in that department with his knowledge of the Servers of the 7 Chaos, utilizing Cyberspace to transport the Super Emeralds to the Islands and have Sonic go through the trials so the Ancients could restore the Super Emeralds to their former glory but will break again after their use when he goes all out just like the Cyber Sonic form.
The God that the Ancients worshipped likely also was the Creator of Dark and Light Gaia, of which the Light Gaia temples restored power to the Emeralds in Unleashed, so why not have a similar situation with the Ancients?
It's a good way to emphasize that the Ancients have bestowed and entrusted the Chaos Emeralds upon the world and they're being utilized a way that they never had thought was possible, as they had no idea the Master Emerald even existed before their arrival on Earth, so the Super Emeralds is another surprise to them. Its very story heavy and not an asspull.
It's a pity that Sonic team just won't allow it.
He *Was* supposed to appear as part of the final battle. The wiki shows in the trivia section that Sonic would've called out to the Koko and the Ancients' remaining memories and channeled that into the energy to become Hyper Sonic. Ian himself originally pitched this idea, but it was rejected. Proof that Ian understands what the fans want better than the damn higher-ups.
Flynn wanted to give us Hyper Sonic, *but the people in charge wanted the Space Shooter instead.*
@@SabeNo-rh7mb
It's not like they couldn't have both. Have Supreme, have the Ikaruga shooter, then have a fight inside the dark moon involving Hyper Sonic.
@@espurrseyes42 That’s what I *Thought* the final battle was going to be. I really thought there was some after the space shooter, but nope.
Super Sonic 2 is great, but Jesus, could you imagine the absolute shock & hype that could've from bringing back Hyper Sonic after 30 years!?
Can you mod the LEGO Tails, LEGO Amy and LEGO Knuckles into Sonic Frontiers as playable characters?
The hum when he says "oblivion" is from Panzer Dragoon... 0:36
Bro is screaming like a monster but he’s a titan😂
he is finally back after nine-ten years they once again found the super emralds after once again
Imagine if SEGA reacted to this.
This was like the best chance to bring back Hyper Sonic in Sonic Frontiers the Final Horizon I’m mean sure Super Sonic 2 did looked cool but it would’ve been way cooler if they had brought back Hyper Sonic
If we're at the point where Sega has to power up Super Sonic then they might as well bring back Hyper. There is only so much Super can do. Not saying he shouldn't still be around. In DBZ, we still will always see SSJ1 despite Goku having much stronger forms.
sega always does this, they bring new forms that are only used once due to the conditionals, the only difference is that Super Sonic 2 is stated to be stronger than Super Sonic, or at least, the hidden power of Super Sonic, that's at least is an advancement to the return of Hyper Sonic
Exactly. Especially since this form was a direct power up Super Sonic rather than a new transformation entirely. This should have just been hyper sonic
is there a mod where sonic doesnt go super sonic 2?
like a line of code i can change to make it only just super sonic
for the end fight. it seems possible without the powerup ngl
Sega: "we can't use hyper because of risk of epilepsy."
Fans: proving time and again he doesn't need to flash all colours of the fucking rainbow.
Tbh they shouldve brough back hyper sonic for this fight but i respect their choices on making another super sonic form
Sega’s refusal to bring back Hyper Sonic is ridiculous. You gave it to us once and here we had the perfect opportunity to have it again, even for only a single fight.
“We don’t want to fall into the new form trope” (or something like that)
Oh but it’s fine here with Super Sonic 2/Cyber Sonic? What about Dark Spine Sonic? Or Excalibur Sonic?
It's just that Powered Up and Cyber are just a power up for the super form himself, and Darkspine and Excalibur are situational forms for other worlds. Hyper is a full-fledged new form as a form of Super Saiyan, so it was abandoned.
We’ll get Hyper Sonic once again soon enough
Hyper Sonic style!
They could bring him back if they just make it so he doesn’t cause seizures
Also sonic pulled a shadow the hedgehog
when the game drop the star that fall from the sky at night you can instantly get max on everything
...let's be real if the perfect parry actually did give a perfect super mutation that'd be sick
Wasn’t hyper supposed to return in the dlc?
ian wanted that but sega rejected it
Sonic Frontiers 2 should be called Sonic Horizons
They should have done this
Hyper sonic will return
7:06 👌
The modern gotta go Fast..
The power..
1:52 See this cutscene in 1st time made me embarrassed
Hyper sonic time
i hope if sonic frontiers 2 will exist there will be real hyper sonic that would be cool
If hyper sonic form make apperance for first time in 3d sonic game for first time
Did sonic risk life to save the entire planet 😅
they better go full shonen and give sonic a scream next time
The one who have made the hyper sonic should have change the aura into white aura.
It locks so good
CYBER HYPER SONIC!!!!
7:06 FATALITY
Amazing
2:03 - i think that Cyber Super Sonic phase 1 is more like Ultra Sonic from Archie comics (~4 Super Sonic's). And phase 2 8:03 (final blow) is getting close to power of Hyper Sonic (4 or 5 Ultra Sonic's)
I have this mod, how did you get the form to show up in cutscenes? it won't do it for me.
*CANON.*
Leave it to the fans to fix Sega’s stupidity
I like your edit
So Sega's okay with a new super form but not the Hyper one
They are not happy
Sonic JUST DIDED
Is this thing a sonic frontiers hyper shadic
Next video dark sonic
SHEEESH
DAT GLITCH SONIC FORM DOE
This is cap but in 5he real game 5hat actually happens but he does not turn hyper he turns cyber super sonic wich is super sonic but with cyan eyes and 2x stronger
Yeah ngl, Super Sonic 2 looks better.
how?
Man i knew im not the only one feeling wired about the new update even though frontiers is good game but not perfect and transformation should look cool like this still disappointing
Could they not just say hyper sonic😂😢