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What if Germany Won WW2 (Part 1) - A Historian Reacts
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To think that all of “modern history” might have only happened because someone took a wrong turn
@Nehesa Setiawan F
To be fair if someone didn’t think to strike two stones together and create fire, civilization wouldn’t exist
@@wojak6793 I mean it probably started with humans stealing fire from lightning strikes and hundreds of years
Pretty sure World War 1 was bound to happen even if Franz Ferdinand was not assassinated. It would just be some other spark. However, I still agree with you as the butterfly effect has shown time and time again that the tiniest changes will have huge impacts, World War 1 starting later probably would still change modern history. We will never know.
M#dern history 🤢🤮
I always like alternate history, rather than just saying generic answers that don’t give a full view they give a in depth picture that seems very plausible.
I found your channel when it was just at around 10k, the fact your almost at 150k and I have only been watching for a few months is insane. You deserve it man, quality content daily.
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Oh sorry i must have been very tired when i wrote that. I know the difference between them and thanks for correcting me
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There is a mod for Hearts of Iron 4 called “The Thousand Week Reich” where Germany technically won, but it was more akin to a stalemate, where only mainland Europe was defeated, but Japan lost and most of the whole of the Allied Empires stayed intact.
TWR (Thousand Week Reich) is one of 2 major mods in Hoi4 that isn't just another Man in the High Castle mod. The Other one is TNO (The New Order). TWR is generally seen as more grounded and gameplay focused, with most of the Nazi hardships being more realistic. TNO takes a more ideological perspective on the Nazi win, with Nazi Hardships coming from actual (but unrealistic) Nazi ideas for the post war world, and is seen as more narrative focused.
Both mods are quite biased towards german competence while the developers themselves are politically biased due to being extreme leftists and full to the brim with californian transgenders, I doubt there will ever be a mod based on germany victory which will give off a truly neutral experience on the subject, due to the mods themselves portraying the german regimes as completely incompetent, even more so in thousand week reich.
It makes more for a narrative experience in which the developers shoehorn their fantasies and political opinions, I reccomend staying away from hearts of iron modding in general outside of hoi3
@@nickghoul1655 Wasn't HOI3 obnoxiously difficult to mod which is why we didn't see too much of a Kaiserreich mod implementation there?
So Europe became a mushroom garden.
thats more realistic
hello together :) As a German im so happy, that the Nazis didnt won the ww2. Im really tired of seeing, that people still call germans today Nazis, but i think this is a nasty thing i have to life with. Cool video dude and keep it going. Watching your videos since a few weeks and i really enjoying my time on this channel.
Plus the fact that the little mustache boy was austrian.
@@raigarmullerson4838 and people sometimes harass indians for using swastika bcz idiot's can't differentiate between Dharmic Swastika and nazi hooked symbol
@@raigarmullerson4838 Austria is a German state
@@joshuabryk4316 wth, they do speak German (they do have their own dialect) in Austria but it is not a German state!
@@rohan-xc5mt they’re called “woke” in The US, and I think any rational person thinks they’re morons. Unfortunately, being woke is currently in vogue and most of the largest US corporations support such thinking. We’ll have to wait and see what the results of these woke ideologies will be, but I don’t think it will be good.
In Poland we already had a bit of this scenario in 18th and 19th century while under divided rule of Prussia/Russia/Austria. Removal of polish language from school, removal of any sign of our culture, history or identity of our nation. Resulted in multiple very bloody rebelions which we celebrate to this day. Poles never give up.
True, but the control of the great powers was different over Poland. Prussia tried to settle as many Germans as possible in Poland and to suppress Polish culture. Russia wanted Poland to disappear completely (culture and language) and to assimilate Poles to Russians. Austria was relatively relaxed. Of course, they also took a piece of Poland and tried to replace the Polish language with German, but they were in no way as radical as Prussia or Russia. The division was also their idea. Austria only took part because it could not allow Prussia and Russia to grow in power without not benefiting itself.
But with the Nazis it was something completely different. The Nazis didn't just want to suppress, they wanted to exterminate.
@@-Eisenfaust- ...what a bullshit.
Poland signed a mutual assistance pact (England, France) before Germany did (SU)
Poland signed a secret-part before germany did (same pact as mentioned)
Poland planned war before germany did in return.
Poland declared mobilisation before germany did.
Poland rejected ANY diplomatic consulation as requested in Brian-Kellog-Pakt.
Poland made no single offer as Hitler did...even not an outrageous one
Poland declared that any further german diplomatic trial will be treated as war-reason.
Poland attacked Lufthansa planes on their way to East-prussia.
Poland treated the german-people against all international rules (as Ukranians and Jews).
Poland blocked more and more train-lines between the Reich and East-prussia knowing it will risk the survival of the east-german people
Poland send cavallerie-companies to east-prussia to kill german farmers....so Wehrmacht was forced to send so called "Jagdkkommandos" (hunting-comandos)....one polish-company was killed on german-ground
......and so on and so force..........
@@keinervondaoben720 Ich spreche genauso wie der Hauptkommentar von der Teilung- und Besetzung Polens zwischen 1772-1918 und nicht vom 2. Weltkrieg!
@@-Eisenfaust- ....Du sprichst auch von den Nazis.....dazu wollte ich etwas differenzierter darstellen.
Kannst Du etwas genauer berichten, wie genau Preussen die Polen angeblich unterdrückt hat....so wie die Polen Deutsche 1919-1939?
Wusstest Du, daß der deutsche und österreichische Kaiser 1916 beschlossen haben die besetzten Gebiete wieder in ein unabhängiges Polen einzubringen - damit man einen Puffer zu Russland hätte. Die Polen waren total begeistert.....solange wenigstens bis Deutschland den 1. Weltkrieg verlor.....dann nahmen sich die Polen deutsche Gebiete mit Gewalt...sehr freundlich.
Polen überfiel nach dem 1. Weltkrieg Deutschland 4x....was hatte Deutschland den Polen getan, damit sie dieses Begründen konnten?
@@keinervondaoben720 Ja ich spreche auch von den Nazis, aber dafür ist keine Differenzierung erforderlich. Das Ziel der NS-Führung war die Ausrottung und/oder Versklavung der Slawischen Völker. Für so eine perverse, barbarische Kriegsführung gibt es keine Rechtfertigung, Unabhängig davon wie die Geschichte vorher verlaufen ist. Und genau das war der Unterschied zwischen der "Vierten Teilung", wie man die Aufteilung zwischen NS-Deutschland und Sowjetunion nannte, und denn vorherigen Teilung- und Besatzungen. Das war der Kern meiner Aussage und der Grund warum ich die Nazis erwähnte.
Und wie sich die Teilungsmächte gegenüber den Polen verhielten habe ich bereits, wie auch der Hauptkommentar, geschildert. Und Deutsche sollen von Polen unterdrückt worden sein? Wann bitte? Übrigens hat nicht Polen Deutschland angegriffen, sondern polnische Bürger haben in Schlesien mehrmals Aufstände gegen die deutsche Fremdherrschaft gestartet, welche alle von Deutschland niedergeschlagen wurden. Schlesien war schon unter österreichischer Herrschaft nur spärlich von Deutschen besiedelt. Die meisten Bewohner waren Slawen wie Tschechen oder Polen.
Zugegeben, Polen verfolgte nach der Unabhängigkeit 1918 eine radikale Politik der Expansion. Ziel war es, die alte Stärke Polens zu erreichen. Polen machte sich dabei bei den meisten Nachbarn unbeliebt und hatte mit so ziemlich jeden einen Konflikt. Der Aufstand in Schlesien war auch ein Versuch, die Region Deutschland zu entreißen, da hast du recht. Aber es ist schwierig das anzuprangern, wenn Deutschland/ Preußen selbst genauso wie Russland und Österreich nur etwas mehr als ein Jahrhundert zuvor ganz Polen unter sich aufgeteilt und annektiert haben.
Ob der deutsche und österreichische Kaiser derartige Pläne hatten, weiß ich nicht, könnte sein. Ich weiß nur das Napoleon solche Ziele verfolgte. Napoleon hatte einen Teil Polens auf seinem Feldzug befreit und als "Herzogtum Warschau" dem neu gegründeten Königreich Sachsen einverleibt. Somit war Polen zwar nicht befreit, aber hatte zumindest wieder bestand. Nach dem Wiener Kongress, akzeptierten die Teilungsmächte Russland, Preußen und Österreich das weitere bestehen des Herzogtums. de Facto war es aber weiterhin ein Marionettenstaat der Großmächte.
Die Teilungsmächte wollten es ursprünglich bei der ersten Teilung belassen, womit ein handlungsunfähiger Rumpfstaat zurückgeblieben wäre, der eben als Puffer gedient hätte. Aber der polnische Adel beschloss daraufhin mehrere Reformen, welche dafür sorgten, dass sich Polen wieder stärkte und aus der Umklammerung löste. Das war für die Teilungsmächte der Ansporn dafür, Polen komplett auszulöschen.
I haven’t even watched it yet and already know it’s going to be a great video
Lol I just hit like before he gets started now cos it's always good
I haven’t watched it yet and already know it’s going to be shit and not based on any kind of reality. But instead, post war propaganda of a beaten people.
Your videos inspired me to watch Monty Python and my god, the number of memes the show has produced LOL
These "what if" videos are always great. Thanks for posting!
There is also a book by Robert Harris, called "Fatherland" about that subject.
I believe it was also made into a movie. It was on TH-cam for free a couple years back when I first found it. No clue if it follows the book faithfully, but 'younger me' loved it.
@@bruitbane2781 Yes, I saw the movie too. It has a different ending.
Excellent, if horrifying, book. Amazing prose and decent attention to some of the lesser known historical leaders in the past.
The book was excellent.
Great book
Channel is becoming a favorite of mine... Side note, Go Bucks... I live right next to Nationwide Arena in downtown Columbus
This was so fascinating and so horrifying at the same time. It's astounding to think the Holocaust might've been just the tip of the genocidal iceberg. I really do hope we learn from our past, especially now that the WW2 generation is passing on. I shudder to think what another world war would look like in our present day.
It was the tip of the iceberg, just the communist doing all the genocides.
@@arvopenaali896 ah yes, the bad communists
It wouldn't look like anything. We'd all be gone before we could blink.
@@xXBlackIce7Xx Never forget the Holodomor 🙇🕋
@@arvopenaali896 bingo
The government didn’t control the means of production in Nazi Germany. In fact they privatized a lot of government shares of businesses. There were economic plans and businesses were strongly encouraged to align their production with the state, however.
When the companies are run exclusively by high ranking Nazi officials it really was controlled by the government lol.
They gave the control of these companies to party officials or to people loyal to the party. Nazi Germany was a Party State, that sums up.
Also what has to be remembered is the timeline is based on Germany winning. In which case all means of production would have been taken over by the state. Hitler et al wanted to do this before WWII but were persuaded to allow a semi-capitalist system because the state did not have the expertise to run the private sector. This would have changed as the situation "normalised" and the state was not under the same constraints. They were also developing the expertise to run these private enterprises at state. Hence as mentioned every companies leadership were members of the Nazi party. The younger members that were the future captains of industry and the workforce were completely indoctrinated and I suggest would have not only accepted some form of state control of the means of production but demanded it.
I love this channel so much as soon as I hear "welcome back everybody" I hit the like button
The best historian out there, i enjoy watching and listening to you
I was always told when learning about WW2 and hitlers rise to power that Nazi germany saw the english as their natural allies and would eventually treat the country quite well if they conformed to nazi rule
yea he did, also there is one thing the vid got wrong is that Nazi Germany or hitler himself did actually see England as a decendent of the Aryan race since the English are basically Norman and Anglo Saxon which are of Germanic origins so if nazis won then in all fairness England wouldn't really be affected all that much due to it being classed as its an Anglo nation tho Wales and Scotland however may not fair so well.
Wish we had....now we have third world and alphabet people holding the whip over us
The scots are celtic which is also Germanic
@@johnfkennedyinanopentopcar8976 eh, kind of. I think they were mostly seen as just, Celtic, but not Germanic/nordic.
@@Jack-dr9zi easiest way to remember it: Aryans are the 3 "-ia"s. Germania, Britannia, Scandinavia. Sharing the same proto-indo European routes
You mentioned Man in the High Castle. I would also recommend Fatherland. It's a made for TV movie from the 90's and it's kind of a detective story in the world where Germans were not defeated in WW2. It's actually pretty good.
Historical references coming into play in an alternate reality just makes me smile
Okay i didn’t recognize your channel immediately because of the new logo. Looks cool!
History Buffs Midway Part 1 & 2 please! Great & insightful reactions as always~
WE MEET AT MIDWAY
Should let you know that Cody doesn’t talk about the US until part 3. But I still recommend the other three parts.
“I believe this is a 2 part series”
Me, knowing it’s a 4 part: ;)
The legend back at it again!
There is a book ( by Robert Harris) /film called "Fatherland" where Hitler wins (sort of) and the US is impotent. I think the author of this is basing his video on this premise.
Is that the one about the ss detective and the murder case?
Yes
Im happy that he mentioned the series Man In The High Castle, because that is such a good series, and its so sad that they stopped its production
One of my favorite shows ever! The history in it was excellent as well
Love it when my favorite History teacher reacts to my favorite History channel.
I was just thinking about the Man in the High Castle in the exact moment you mentioned it 🤔
Great content has always Chris.
So glad you got to alternate history hub! Check out more of his vids if you get the chance, love to see your opinion on them
you should react to his video on what if the south won the civil war. its really well done and based on a book called southern victory. its a really interesting thought cause it really does change a lot of the 20th century in the book.
EDIT: just saw you already did one. keep up the great work man. love the content
That was actually the first video of his I did.
@@VloggingThroughHistory He's talking about another video alternatehistory did talking about Harry Turtledove book about a southern victory. It's really interesting alternate history and greatly changes not only American history but the world's. Even both World Wars are completely different. In Turtledove's alternate WW2 for example, the confederacy basically becomes Nazi Germany in that time line. It's really interesting alternate history that Turtledove created you should check out the videos or read the books yourself.
@@VloggingThroughHistory yeah it just popped up in my recommended. keep up the awesome work man. loving what you make. its nice for a reaction channel to expand on the content they are watching rather than just going huh thats cool. have an awesome day man
Love the videos glad to see your channel exploding !
You mentioned two amazing TV shows in this video lol love your channel man!
14:40 That’s the entire basis of the HOI4 mod “Thousand Week Reich”
17:15 Imagine an alternate timeline where Hitler's favorite playing in Europe has weakened the Italian government, leaving power and wealth gaps for other entities to exploit. Germany enacts the next phase of the plan and starts targeting catholics. The catholic church moves to declare a new modern crusade against the third reich
Crazy to think about how different things could be.
My family is American but grew up with strong German Lutheran heritage. I never thought about it, but it makes sense they’d eventually try and snuff any form of religion out.
I love your videos!! One of the best historian react videos so far and Im blessed that it was uploaded on my birthday!
Darn I love this channel
From a quick glace at AHH's videos, it looks like there are 4 parts.
The Man in the High Castle was phenomenal. Everyone on that shows acting was out of the park.
It was dreadful and a disgrace to the source material.
It’s 1:52 here in Aus and this thing just popped up in my recommended looks like I’m staying up a little later
I watched this video so much so happy you reacted to it
The government in Nazi Germany did not control the means of production to any greater extent than the US did during the war. Germany still had private businesses, such as IG Farben, which was the largest corporation in Europe at the time. Not to mention Volkswagon and several others. They were not a socialist economy, period.
Can you do some more of the oversimplified stuff? Like the mini wars
You should make a video watching and reacting on AHH’s video on the fourth plane that landed in Pennsylvania during 9/11, I understand it can be a very sensitive subject but I think it’ll be something interesting to think about.
I'm going to disagree with the idea that we can't define Nazism as "Left" or "Right". It's just not true. Saying they were socialists because they had "Socialist" in their name is like saying China is a republic or North Korea is a democracy. They were outright fascist who absolutely HATED socialists and communists. The first people Hitler jailed were the socialists and communists in Germany. And the Nazi government didn't take control of the means of production, either. In fact, Hitler and the Nazi party denationalized the means of production. A planned economy is not necessarily socialist or communist. And the Nazis also didn't do anything to reallocate wealth. Hitler took fascism from Mussolini and ran with it.
Source: www.nber.org/system/files/chapters/c9476/c9476.pdf
I think this series has 4 parts, not just 2!
I really wish they'd have made a TV series based on HOI4 TNO's timeline or even TWR's timeline rather than what they did with The Man in the High Castle.
Yea I was excited for The Man in the High Castle as I'm a sucker for WW2 and alt history but that show really faceplanted in the end.
If they made it based of tno or twr, but without the clear leftist bias, it would be great.
@@flyingkite2972 if I may ask, what would leftist bias look like?🤨
YOUR THE GOAT KEEP YOUR HEAD UP BRO
First video I watched of this channel and my reaction 5 seconds into the video: Wait... Aren't you... History Guy? I watched all your Ultimate General stuff. lol
Maybe this point was made before, too lazy to read, but: government/state control of the means of production is NOT Socialism, it's state capitalism. Quite a biggie...
Yes. Thank you. It’s much closer to Italian Fascism than anything else.
It's collectivism. Which is a form of socialism.
Have you seen “the entire history of Japan, I guess”? It’s focused on Japan but had many elements of world history in it as well
Love. Your videos man
love your videos! please do some about Czechoslovakian legion in Russia:) its great story that a lot of people actualy doesnt know
The new Berlin plans were wild. Like straight out of the science fiction of the time. No flying cars, though.
Another great video - I really liked what you said about how Nazis viewed religion given NS is effectively a quasi-religious cult. Reminded me of what you said on what you said on another of your videos (French revolution I think) where the new thing replacing the old things is often very similar
I mean Himmler and Alfred Rosenburg really took the racial and religious theories of NS seriously (not to say Hitler didn't, but even he was a bit weirded out by how far they took it). I'd really recommend Heinrich Himmler: A Life by Peter Longerich because he really explores not just the racial theories, but how Himmler viewed the SS as "teutonic knights" and wanted the castle at Wewelsburg to be the new centre of the world for all things mystic and Ayran.
There absolutely is a comparison between the birth of the United States and the actions of the Nazis. Settler colonial genocide doesn't get less bad because concentration camps weren't invented yet.
Peaky blinders aren't Roma, they're Irish Gypsies. Roma are mostly in mainland Europe.
Pikey Blinders ;-)
What you think Gypsies mean
Dude as a Native American I am happy that you acknowledged manifest destiny guess america doesn't have clean hands after all
@Conner Wine true
@Conner Wine Well the atrocities of America numeber in the millions even compared to many european contries.
As a dumb dumb, I love how smart and chill this community is.
I doubt you’re a “dumb dumb” if you watching educational videos. 🤙🏼😎
You see what I mean. Chill. 😎🖖🏾
I saw you play Hoi4 on your second channel, do you know of the mod Total war?
Idk if u like alt history mods or historical ones, but total war isn’t as crazy as black ice but also pretty complicated but a heavy basis on accuracy.
An interesting thing to look up is "Positive Christianity" which about ⅓ of German churches converted to during the regime. It basically was an effort to scrub Judaism from Christianity and make it revolve around ideals of Aryanism and Germanic culture.
Please react to "How Medieval Kings Would See Today" by Fire of Learning.
Even if it had been victorious, the German Reich would have imploded shortly afterwards due to economic collapse. A lot of people don't realize how inefficient their economic system was, and for most of its life, Germany sustained itself with the wealth it stole from Austria, Czechia, Poland, etc. TIK did a good video explaining how dire their situation really was.
exactly. they were gonna lose WW2 eventually, they could never sustain themselves
Perhaps but if victorious they probably could have straitened out the economy. If it were a stalemate then economic collapse could have happened.
Remember though that industrial production stayed relatively high considering the bombings.
the best "what if Germany won the WW2?" was made by Wolfenstein 2
Is it just me, or do other people also say in unison "welcum back evrebodeh" as they start the video?
What about your reactions on the series on the articles of confederation
What about them?
@@VloggingThroughHistory Sorry i ment when are more of them it coming out.I found them to be very interesting
I am fairly certain that even in the highly unlikely event of a German victory (due to the powerhouse that the USA were at the time), the resulting state of Germany would be unstable or meta-stable at best. The eventual death of Hitler would trigger either the collapse or civil war or both. Also, the way the German economy was set up was simply unsustainable.
As the later videos in this series makes clear, a necessary condition for Alternate History Hub's original scenario is the USA remaining neutral in the war. (Or, rather, the USA going to war with Japan but not Germany and Italy, and smashing Japan while all this is happening in the European theater) This is basically essential to any Germany wins scenario, and even so it's still an unlikely outcome, as Alternate History Hub would be the first to say.
The way the German economy was set up was unsustainable, but that's because their entire economy was devoted to producing for wartime and preparing for an eventual war on the idea that once they were ascendant in Europe they could loot the rest of Europe, forget their debts because they conquered their creditors, and put the most fertile farmland in Europe in Belarus/Ukraine at their disposal and essentially enslave all the surviving Russians/Ukrainians/Poles as serfs for manpower. In the (unlikely) event of a German victory, looting, plunder, and theft of the wealth of all of the defeated powers was a SUBSTANTIAL part of how they expected their economy to work.
Turns out, over-regulation of an economy and oppression of huge groups by race, class, etc causes instability.
Simply put without American involvement there would be nobody to challenge Nazi germany and no unified world economy for them to collapse. By annexing all of Russia Germany would be pretty much entirely self-sufficient and would occupy the same position the Soviet Union enjoyed and WW2 but without the US serving as a buffer. It would be really hard for the Nazis to lose in this timeline after somehow conquering the UK and Russia. Rebellions are really hard to pull off against an industrialized nation that doesn’t have to worry about committing war crimes.
My first observation is that if recent history (say the past 10-20 years) has taught us anything, it's that fascism did NOT die with Hitler.
Love watching ur vids
I was surprised by reading biographies of David Lloyd George stating that Hitler gained an interest in pre-roman Welsh culture due his interest in druids and occult thru to his meetings and gaining knowledge from former British Prime Minister whom was Welsh and raised in Llanystymdwy a village that is 2 miles down the road from me!!
Thanks for the video, I find your reactions fascinating. However, Peaky Blinders depicts Irish travelers, who are genetically, ethnically and culturally totally different to Roma, who these day come from Romania. Both are considered (derogatorily) as gypsies but they are not the same.
This is one of the best videos on the subject of a German WW2 win.....most devolve into the trope cliche instead of staying true to the concept.
You should review TNO: Last Days of Europe lore, good video.
Along the same alternative history theme, Indy Neidell and the WW2 in Real Time channel did a couple in partnership with the game Hearts of Iron 4. The first one is here and definitely worth checking out! th-cam.com/video/7QE1hvH8ZVU/w-d-xo.html
The closes anime to the Nazis where we get a Cast System is Code Geass
Haven't watched code geass but I understand why you'd choose it because of the genre, I'd say from what I've watched it would probably be attack on titan.
Disagree with the comparison of Nazis to Code Geass. Even the Britannians didn't just engage in blanket exterminations of the Elevens, just relegated them to a lower social class than their own people. Attack on Titan is DEFINITELY a much closer take than CG, but even that doesn't really come close. I don't know of one that I'd say really does, TBH.
Not even close.
Brittania Empire has some elements relating (mainly social darwinism), but in the end, it is "only" imperialist empire on the level of those of 19th century.
Not extreme to the level of nazism.
I don't think any anime is closely related to the Nazis but the closest anime that I know is attack on titan but even that isn't close to their atrocities.
There's a Hearts of Iron mod called Thousand Week Reich which is probably a fairly accurate depiction of a German victory scenario.
Wooooo another video
while Wolfenstein is totally over the top, I think it also does a lot of good alternate history as well. Not sure how you could review it, and Wolfenstein leans heavily into Hitler's pursuit of the supernatural to help him win the war. In the Wolfenstein Universe, he's successful finding various supernatural technologies to win the war against the allies. The occupation of New Orleans, 10 year plans to end all non-german languages, city-sized factory death camps to remove undesirables, and like in man in the high castle, the Slavic people are utterly obliterated.
I thought that was more of Himmler's thing than Hitler's thing
I've always seen it attributed to Hitler but I didn't definitively know who was directly responsible.
I know Hitler was overly involved to a fault in all of his military operations and so I simply assumed this was his brainchild.
“Bridden”
I've seen it already "Man in High Castle"
Anyone seen The Man in the High Castle? I'm currently binging it rn, cool to see this video at the same time
When did you get such an interest in History? Asking because I am starting to get into History and enjoying my time here (my favourite is WW2 and Napoleonic wars)
Those events are one of the most common ways people get into history
@@volvoxfraktalion5225 i know i am boring but i am starting to get an interest in other things as well (sorry for ruining your day)
@@GalacticDragon05 lol don't be so anxious, everything is fine. Just remember not to trust any source 100%
@@volvoxfraktalion5225 yea i always see many sources to see which is correct or an estimate etc. so dont worry
8:30 people in Europe still think this today
How about the Treaty of Versailles is enforced and Germany never has the opportunity to remilitarise? Or the allies never send the army up north and the Germans are found trying to cross the Ardennes and their exposed forces get demolished before reaching the coast? Or that plane with war plans never crashes in a field in Belgium? There aren’t many videos of people asking things like ‘what if the Germans never outmanoeuvred the allies’ or if the war just ended earlier or on different stages and terms.
you should do videos on iranian history!
Day no. I have lost count of asking vth to react to Oliver cromwells head by reallife lore
This series has like 4 parts
Hello! Love the video
In long term I think the cult like nature of the nazis would have become more prominent. Particularly I think the veneration of Hitler would eventually turned more openly religious.
I am a Slav (Polish). The idea of Germany winning WW1 was to me kinda promising (If that happened maybe we would have some decent roads here and not ones with holes all the time (Thanks commies) plus communism and fascism would never been born or at least didn't reach the level it did), but watching this makes me sweat.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Germans in WW1 relatively peaceful in occupied Poland, at least compared to the Russians? Any Polish state set up after a German victory would have been a vassal (same in the Baltics and Ukraine), but like you said, things like infrastructure would be better and at least Polish culture would be allowed to exist. In many ways WW1 was a bigger disaster than WW2 just because of the repercussions of it later on
@@samlosco8441 I mean the Germans (Prussians) always tried to germanize us. Unlike the Nazis who tried to exterminate us.
My great grandparents left Lithuania in 1915, right after the Germans defeated the Russians at Tannenberg and from what I can gather from my grandmother's stories, living under Imperial Germany wasn't much different from living under the Nazis. There was no outright genocide, but the Germans considered Poles and Lithuanians to be an inferior subject people. My great grandparents (who oddly enough came over to the USA on the last outbound trip of the Lusitania before it was torpedoed), couldn't wait to get out. Had the Germans won World War I they may have built roads but my guess is they would have been apartheid roads reserved for Germans only.
@@samlosco8441 well not really lol the Russian and (then) Prussian occupied parts of the country were heavily Germanized and Russified. Polish people couldn't really practice their own culture openly. That's the reason why multiple uprisings in 19th century happened here, people tried to take back our country. Only the Austro-Hungarian occupied part wasn't as bad. The Polish culture could still thrive to some extent in those regions but people still weren't fully free.
@@janmedeus3070 there is no shame in wanting to be part of a greater Empire.
In my opinion if Hitler could have won in the east if he did not send his other army to the caucuses then Stalingrad would have been easier to obtain.
Also. Italy's incursion into Greece delayed the invasion by a few months and cost many precious resources as well.
The Axis really was one of the worst alliances.
Pretty sure even if they reached caucuses Soviets would obliterate drilling infrastructure and it would only increase length of front streching supplies to breaking limit .
Only way I can think of Germans winning is if instead of Nazis military junta started war and when they pushed into russia millions of ukranians,polish,baltics people rise against Soviet communists as military government will most likely see slavs as humans
H tequired that Caucuses oil - he needed it and depended on getting it or if he didn't get it he was going to run out of gas before he could finish up. That was His dilemma.
@@davidburroughs2244 why do you capitalize the H in His
What's so good about this story is that it didn't happen.
Since most of those who wrote your comments on the channel simply would not exist in reality, or were just slaves and worked the land or bent their backs in factories for a piece of bread. And so what a cool video. Greetings from Russia.
Everything he said I generally agree with. I just would raise 1 point for thought. The plan was to exterminate most of the Slavic population to make room for German peasant farmers to work the land. However if given the choice between living in a slap-dash farming shack after working all day in the fields yourself or living in a 2 story plantation mansion with slaves working the land and waiting on you hand-and-foot, most people would opt for the latter option. Whatifalthist populated in his own "what if the Nazi's won WW2" scenario that because people would rather be aristocrats than farmers there would be less killing than planned as German settlers enslaved the natives to work the land in their stead similarly to what the Spanish did in Latin America.
Hitler was an idiot though. He’d still opt for genocide before anything else.
6:00 nazi germany was absolutely not socialist. they were anti-nationalization and aggressively anti-union. socialists were quite literally forced into concentration camps. the nazis spent a lot on infrastructure on a similar scale to fdr's new deal, but that's a far cry from socialism. other than that, love the video!
Yeah this dude seems to think "socialism = government controls means of production" or something
It’s a narrative often used by the alt right and conservatives in Europe to spread hate towards social democracy. It’s even common to claim that social democracy and national socialism went hand in hand during the war. When the truth is as you said, the NSDAP actually persecuted social Democrats and socialists and put them in concentration camps. Many of them managed to flee the country only to come back after the war to help rebuilding the country. The former chancellor of west Germany, Willy Brandt, was one of them.
@@spacemanx9595... that's exactly what it means
I'm not 100% sure, but I think that Roosevelt was "naive" and when the spheres of influence were "drawn", he gave more to Soviets than Churchill wanted (Czechoslovakia, Poland), because he believed more than Churchill that it would make Soviets happy and more willing to be friendly after the war.
the spheres were basically the same as what the reds managed to control by the end of the war.
besides the soviets might of not recognise anything less that what they got in our timeline.
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interesting, one think thought, he didn't touch anything to do with Baltic countries, I wonder if they planned doing there anything, I think they could be less heavy on balts because by that time there was some Germanic influence already as Prussia was very close neighbours and they had titanic order in place years before, however I think they would still send people to camps nevertheless or force heavy labour.
Nazism was only socialist in name. Were at odds with communism and other less extreme forms of socialist ideologies. EDIT: in his book, Hitler stated he viewed the British as potential allies and that he considered the US Aryans that were under the yoke of Jewish rule.
I see people argue that Nazi were not "real" socialists often. They were indeed socialist. The government having means of production, Hitler called his party the enemies of Capitalism, they were about workers right and government support of the population, etc. Yes, they were ultra conservative, racists, "right wing" socialists - but they were still in the socialist family of political thought. Show me a real socialist (read communist) country that is not essentially a dictatorship. And don't even try to pick anyplace in Europe - they are all capitalist republics. Yes, they are more 'socialist' than the US but they are not socialist governments - which are in effect communist countries. No one wants to get called a Nazi - but socialism owns the Nazis.
@@bluelionsage99 the government having the means of production doesn’t make it socialist. The PEOPLE or WORKERS having the means of production does. That simple definition of socialism makes it so silly. They weren’t leftist or socialist. The nazis had no intention of giving the means of production over to the workers. That was just one part of the process of telling men they’re going to take their country back and be empowered and prideful.
If you listen to actual leftist thought you’d know there is a lot of debate as to whether even the Soviet Union under Stalin can be considered socialist given the lack of control the worker /average person had. It’s pretty much a done deal that China isn’t socialist and that “socialist with Chinese characteristics” is just a lie to excuse rampant authoritarianism and a lack of worker control. But it’s very obvious that the Nazis weren’t socialist. They were an authoritarian right wing government that made use of capitalist structures like big private corporations and a mixture of left and right wing phrasing in speech. Fascism is a thing all to itself that typically sits on the right wing but will take whatever rhetoric that works.
sorry mate but Nazism was absolutely a socialist idea. Hitler replaced "worker" with "race" as Mussolini replaced "worker" with "nation". The ideology is exactly the same, as are the tactics and goals.
@@bluelionsage99 the Nazis were not socialists
@@TriggeringOpinionsandFacts When you don't know the difference between SOCIALISM and COMMUNISM.
HOI4 The new order anyone?
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Oh this is like a 6 parter I think