For new machinist, bank this information! It is gold, pretty much like everything titan says but this approach can be huge. Setup is everything. Even if you only have one machine try to at least keep certain standard tools in all the time, in the same locations. Thanks titan!
In our company we have our horizontals tooled up with regular tools (mag sizes are from 140 to 171), BUT in our system we have every 10th tool as a non-regular, so you can use those pots for all kinds of special tools without messing up the whole regular magazine setup. Also of course the regular tools are modeled in mastercam library :)
I can’t even explain how important this is, I have worked in a few machine shops where machinists are running the same material every setup in a prototype environment, and each part they retool the machine. With standard tooling you can know the speeds and feeds for each tool, and the best use for each tool. Programming time goes down, and efficiency goes up. Such a simple solution, even in a job shop.
We did something like this back in the early 2000s when I was a cnc machinist. We had a brand new toshiba vertical lathe that we ran the windmill bearings for GE on the tools stayed in the carousel the program stayed in the control the same offsets stayed in the control, all we had to do was put the part on the table indicate it in and hit the magnetic table switch then cycle start, setup part was done in a few minutes only had to make minor offset changes when changing inserts. Those were mostly the only parts we ran on that lathe.
Thanks … I always want to standardize things if possible even if the tooling is more costly, time can not be replaced. I do not have machines running of my own yet but hearing these great blogs helps me align my thinking well in advance as I am watching videos and reading comments. I have always done this through my life in business. Like a mechanic with a misc drawer but all the others very organized for quick retrieval. Having the specialty tools in certain range of numbers for reduced set up and easier identification may seem so simple but will also alight the whole shops thinking and lend itself to further implementation of seamless transitions between jobs and people either running machines and or programming and setting them up. Thanks for sharing >>>
We kinda do this but our machines only have ~20 pockets. In the mills, I keep it: 1 is always a 1" indexable end mill 2 is a 1/2" end mill 3 is a 3/8" 4 & 5 are drill chucks 6 is a centerdrill 7 is a 1/2" 90* chamfertool 8 & 9 are floating tap holders 10 is a 10mm 12 is a 12mm 17 is a 3/4" end mill 20 is a 4" face mill The rest float around but I keep those numbers constant
I work in the tool room for a thermoforming facility where we make all of the tooling necessary to run thermoforming jobs and the tools in the machine I run is essentially geared up with standard tooling. The CNC mills that run production trimming all have the same fixture setup, the same tool crib, and the same program list from a shared network location. there is no setup time from job to job, and all of those trimming jobs can run on all of those machines.
As a new shop owner, I’ve tried to implement this sort of thinking as early as possible. The way I’ve tackled it is by having my tool libraries all have a consistent numbering system, a bit like having a shop product code. That way when I add ANY tool to the machine, I just use the library number. The convenient thing here is it allows me to mix tools between machines, but also for tool storage. I can then keep tools separate for even individual materials (like plastic finishing separate to copper roughing etc) without much difficulty. By spacing the numbers out too, it allows for duplicates too, in case I was sister tooling to have a separate number for whatever reason. I have about 50-60 regular use tools atm, but in theory this system should be good for up to thousands. I.e should last long enough before I would want to consider a more commercial solution.
What if you need a little bit more length out of holder or different holder to rich some places? And if you have serial production, I don't think that set up and premeasure 20 tools is problem. Plus then you need overall much less holders since they are not in machine. Only if you run small number of same parts
hey guys! Do you have a CNC router table? if you do I'd love to see some more videos around that type of platform as well :) I'm a new cnc router owner as of feb 2022 and I'd love to see some unconventional things done on a cnc router.
Do you charge what you think a customer will pay? Or what it costs to manufacture plus a set percentage of what you expect to profit. In Australia the industry has been crushed where its difficult to maintain machinery let alone invest and grow. I always feel like we’re charging too little because there isn’t many mobs left around doing what we do. I program and run 3 okumas, 2x4 axis mills and a 2 axis lathe. Family business, looking at getting a lathe with milling soon to reduce setup costs. We’re always very busy, and we’re always struggling financially it seems
I had a jobshop for a little while but had to get out since the other shops in my area were trying to outprice each other rather than actually profit 6 of the owners of those shops are now on the street and another 3-4 are probably forcefully liquidated in the coming years, not a single one has posted a profit since i stopped 2 years ago
When I was working in a machine shop we charged a standard rate of $90 per hour plus material, a minimum of $20, and a time and a half expedite rate, it was a job shop. It was always swamped because we only ever had 3or 4 employees. skilled machinists are hard to come by.
Maybe you're using too much grease. I also have red splashing all over when I don't run high rpm for a few weeks then going high rpm suddenly. It's just flushing the excess grease
I work in carbide grinding so abrasive residue gets everywhere, we don't grease chucks but use CRC SP-350 corrosion inhibitor "long term rust preventative lubricant". Once per week, if you run your jaws to full open and close spraying this stuff all up in there your chuck should run smooth and stay that way. Unfortunately there's a guy here that doesn't do his damn job and can't seem to remember to lube his chuck so he's already destroyed one, it locked up 100% with rust and carbide jacking and I'm sure you know that costs thousands to replace. Every time I have to go help his slow ass catch up on work I have to take his locked up chuck apart, clean the shit off of it and lube it up with this stuff. It will wash off with the coolant like anything, but it's easy to spray back in.
The company I work for only has a VMC that I am the only one that knows how to run. I am paid barely more than the bunch pulling the drill press handle down and they even let me unpaid. In many different ocassions I was asked to do batches of thousands within a weeks notice (including sourcing tools and fixture materials, designing and machining the fixtures, setting up the machine and programming it and then even loading the thousands of parts and running them all by myself and often while measuring them too), or machine 50 samples of each of 10 part numbers within 3 days or race my own car to the courier to send samples in time... This job is my passion but fuck this line of work... All my costudents at the university I went to know half as much, offer only a quarter of only that but get paid the same if not better for meaningless desk work.
@@Pondimus_Maximus our company is littered with project managers that know absolutely nothing about manufacturing, I feel that is equivalent to getting on a plane and the flight captain knows nothing about planes or flying them. We have over 400 employees and I just don't understand how the company stays above water.
in short: find a system that works for you that is efficient for you! at my company we tried this with standard tools and gave it a number in an exel file. in the file it would say waht tool i was, what holder, what tap, the tool brand, the stick-out length. the idea was that you could just pick up a tool from whatever machine in the shop and use it if it had the right number. but 6-7 years of using this system casued us to have over 1600 diffrent tools. this ruins the whole idea, so instead of trying to find the right tools, we were running around trying to find the right number. we said: fuck it, and scraped the whole system and went back to basic. tool 1 is and endmill Ø12. tool 2 is a drill, tool 3 is a thread mill etc. much more efficient and easier to work from.
If you had 1600 different tool specs that is a problem in Programming and Quoting. (Being over-specific in holder/stickout dimensions, and job variance). Shouldn't be bidding on every job out there. Stick to a niche that can use the same tool specs as much as possible. At most, you should have a consistent tool rack of 300 Tool ID's (Upper bound of even the largest machine racks). Each common machine will use any batch of 30-40 at one time. (Unless you bought the extended Tool Mags, like 60 or 80 tools). Anything outside your main 300, it's not in your Bid List.
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For new machinist, bank this information! It is gold, pretty much like everything titan says but this approach can be huge. Setup is everything. Even if you only have one machine try to at least keep certain standard tools in all the time, in the same locations. Thanks titan!
In our company we have our horizontals tooled up with regular tools (mag sizes are from 140 to 171), BUT in our system we have every 10th tool as a non-regular, so you can use those pots for all kinds of special tools without messing up the whole regular magazine setup.
Also of course the regular tools are modeled in mastercam library :)
I can’t even explain how important this is, I have worked in a few machine shops where machinists are running the same material every setup in a prototype environment, and each part they retool the machine. With standard tooling you can know the speeds and feeds for each tool, and the best use for each tool. Programming time goes down, and efficiency goes up. Such a simple solution, even in a job shop.
We did something like this back in the early 2000s when I was a cnc machinist. We had a brand new toshiba vertical lathe that we ran the windmill bearings for GE on the tools stayed in the carousel the program stayed in the control the same offsets stayed in the control, all we had to do was put the part on the table indicate it in and hit the magnetic table switch then cycle start, setup part was done in a few minutes only had to make minor offset changes when changing inserts. Those were mostly the only parts we ran on that lathe.
Thanks … I always want to standardize things if possible even if the tooling is more costly, time can not be replaced. I do not have machines running of my own yet but hearing these great blogs helps me align my thinking well in advance as I am watching videos and reading comments. I have always done this through my life in business. Like a mechanic with a misc drawer but all the others very organized for quick retrieval. Having the specialty tools in certain range of numbers for reduced set up and easier identification may seem so simple but will also alight the whole shops thinking and lend itself to further implementation of seamless transitions between jobs and people either running machines and or programming and setting them up. Thanks for sharing >>>
We kinda do this but our machines only have ~20 pockets.
In the mills, I keep it:
1 is always a 1" indexable end mill
2 is a 1/2" end mill
3 is a 3/8"
4 & 5 are drill chucks
6 is a centerdrill
7 is a 1/2" 90* chamfertool
8 & 9 are floating tap holders
10 is a 10mm
12 is a 12mm
17 is a 3/4" end mill
20 is a 4" face mill
The rest float around but I keep those numbers constant
I work in the tool room for a thermoforming facility where we make all of the tooling necessary to run thermoforming jobs and the tools in the machine I run is essentially geared up with standard tooling. The CNC mills that run production trimming all have the same fixture setup, the same tool crib, and the same program list from a shared network location. there is no setup time from job to job, and all of those trimming jobs can run on all of those machines.
If you’re doing high mix low volume, this is way more important than cycle time.
As a new shop owner, I’ve tried to implement this sort of thinking as early as possible.
The way I’ve tackled it is by having my tool libraries all have a consistent numbering system, a bit like having a shop product code. That way when I add ANY tool to the machine, I just use the library number. The convenient thing here is it allows me to mix tools between machines, but also for tool storage. I can then keep tools separate for even individual materials (like plastic finishing separate to copper roughing etc) without much difficulty. By spacing the numbers out too, it allows for duplicates too, in case I was sister tooling to have a separate number for whatever reason.
I have about 50-60 regular use tools atm, but in theory this system should be good for up to thousands. I.e should last long enough before I would want to consider a more commercial solution.
I loved using those hydraulic holders.
If you had to relay one piece of advice to the engineers designing parts, what would it be?
What if you need a little bit more length out of holder or different holder to rich some places? And if you have serial production, I don't think that set up and premeasure 20 tools is problem. Plus then you need overall much less holders since they are not in machine. Only if you run small number of same parts
hey guys! Do you have a CNC router table? if you do I'd love to see some more videos around that type of platform as well :) I'm a new cnc router owner as of feb 2022 and I'd love to see some unconventional things done on a cnc router.
A cnc router is just a weak joke of a vertical mill. All they do is "beast" stuff I don't think you'll find much router work.
Do you charge what you think a customer will pay? Or what it costs to manufacture plus a set percentage of what you expect to profit. In Australia the industry has been crushed where its difficult to maintain machinery let alone invest and grow. I always feel like we’re charging too little because there isn’t many mobs left around doing what we do. I program and run 3 okumas, 2x4 axis mills and a 2 axis lathe. Family business, looking at getting a lathe with milling soon to reduce setup costs. We’re always very busy, and we’re always struggling financially it seems
I had a jobshop for a little while but had to get out since the other shops in my area were trying to outprice each other rather than actually profit
6 of the owners of those shops are now on the street and another 3-4 are probably forcefully liquidated in the coming years, not a single one has posted a profit since i stopped 2 years ago
When I was working in a machine shop we charged a standard rate of $90 per hour plus material, a minimum of $20, and a time and a half expedite rate, it was a job shop. It was always swamped because we only ever had 3or 4 employees. skilled machinists are hard to come by.
Good tip! :)
Stay💰focused 🙏
Hello, what are you using to lube your jaws? Mine grease is splashing all over machine and it’s hard to remove.
Maybe you're using too much grease. I also have red splashing all over when I don't run high rpm for a few weeks then going high rpm suddenly. It's just flushing the excess grease
I always had the same problem. Just had to keep em greased.
I work in carbide grinding so abrasive residue gets everywhere, we don't grease chucks but use CRC SP-350 corrosion inhibitor "long term rust preventative lubricant". Once per week, if you run your jaws to full open and close spraying this stuff all up in there your chuck should run smooth and stay that way. Unfortunately there's a guy here that doesn't do his damn job and can't seem to remember to lube his chuck so he's already destroyed one, it locked up 100% with rust and carbide jacking and I'm sure you know that costs thousands to replace. Every time I have to go help his slow ass catch up on work I have to take his locked up chuck apart, clean the shit off of it and lube it up with this stuff. It will wash off with the coolant like anything, but it's easy to spray back in.
The company I work for only has a VMC that I am the only one that knows how to run. I am paid barely more than the bunch pulling the drill press handle down and they even let me unpaid. In many different ocassions I was asked to do batches of thousands within a weeks notice (including sourcing tools and fixture materials, designing and machining the fixtures, setting up the machine and programming it and then even loading the thousands of parts and running them all by myself and often while measuring them too), or machine 50 samples of each of 10 part numbers within 3 days or race my own car to the courier to send samples in time... This job is my passion but fuck this line of work... All my costudents at the university I went to know half as much, offer only a quarter of only that but get paid the same if not better for meaningless desk work.
Get a new job. Your being taken for a ride and that will not change.
I just brought this up to my leader last week and said all our jobs are different so it doesn't work and he quickly ended the conversation.
That sucks. Nothing worse than a non-machinist, or low-quality machinist being put in charge of people with actual talent!
@@Pondimus_Maximus our company is littered with project managers that know absolutely nothing about manufacturing, I feel that is equivalent to getting on a plane and the flight captain knows nothing about planes or flying them. We have over 400 employees and I just don't understand how the company stays above water.
@@adamt581 sorry to hear than man just had to quit my job yesterday cause of the situation you’re in
He's dumb. No job ever uses a 1/4 em, spot drill, chamfer mill etc? Tool 1 can always be a spot, tool 10 is deburring.
Bro if you know you're right and they don't want to listen, go work somewhere else. Don't let them hold you back.
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in short: find a system that works for you that is efficient for you!
at my company we tried this with standard tools and gave it a number in an exel file. in the file it would say waht tool i was, what holder, what tap, the tool brand, the stick-out length. the idea was that you could just pick up a tool from whatever machine in the shop and use it if it had the right number. but 6-7 years of using this system casued us to have over 1600 diffrent tools. this ruins the whole idea, so instead of trying to find the right tools, we were running around trying to find the right number.
we said: fuck it, and scraped the whole system and went back to basic. tool 1 is and endmill Ø12. tool 2 is a drill, tool 3 is a thread mill etc. much more efficient and easier to work from.
If you had 1600 different tool specs that is a problem in Programming and Quoting. (Being over-specific in holder/stickout dimensions, and job variance).
Shouldn't be bidding on every job out there. Stick to a niche that can use the same tool specs as much as possible. At most, you should have a consistent tool rack of 300 Tool ID's (Upper bound of even the largest machine racks). Each common machine will use any batch of 30-40 at one time. (Unless you bought the extended Tool Mags, like 60 or 80 tools). Anything outside your main 300, it's not in your Bid List.
Y'all are Xtra asf
Boom
I just wonder how much debt titan is in now with all this brand new everything!? I've seen this ruin shops!
Maybe the TH-cam channel helps? Kennametal ain't cheap