David Berlinski | The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday Special Ep. 78
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- David Berlinski - senior fellow at the Discovery Institute’s Center for Science and Culture and best-selling author of numerous books including "The Devil's Delusion," "The Deniable Darwin," and his latest offering, "Human Nature" - joins Ben to discuss evolution, religion, science, gender, philosophy, and much more.
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The fact that Bill Nye has more credibility to our culture than David Berlinski says so much about our society.
How so? One promotes observable facts and evidence.
The other one denies evolution and says that bc people enjoy watching shows about animals but not about space....therefore my point is correct.
So true. Well said. Bill Nye repeats false science myths as facts; Berlinski provides a wonderful example of questioning our conditioned thinking pathways.
pushing the narrative vs debunking the narrative in a nutshell
@@MrLou948 When Bill Nye demonstrates abiogenesis, chemicals to life by duplicating the simplest living organism from chemicals, you would be coherent. Until then, no man in any of the most sophisticated laboratories in the world can copy the simplest example, with a working model in hand? Believing a primordial soup created life when a lab can't copy it? That's a fact.. You are a very low information reguarding the actual chemistry required for life. It has been demonstrated it couldn't happen in a mud puddle. TH-cam James Tour: The Origin of Life. He's qualified as a synthetic chemist...
What a wonderfully true statement
I’d never heard of this guest before, he is absolutely fascinating.
He is great. Rapier wit. Check out his book: The Devil's Delusion
If you like this, I cannot recommend enough that you search his other materials out as well as his books. The guy is a legend.
Uncommon knowledge interviews
My thoughts as well! As a matter of fact, I scrolled down to say, "I have never heard of this man before, but am now interested in hearing more from him!"!:) Its rare to find honest people these days...... especially in academia! Intellectuals as a group have "SOLD OUT" to the domestic enemy left! All their interested in now is BRAINWASHING AMERICAS YOUTH FROM ALL LEVELS!! Its part of their coup attempt on this Country and that's not what's "surprising", what's surprising is....... WE THE PEOPLE ARE JUST WATCHING IT HAPPEN!! Its like: You are home, in bed watching TV. You notice there are trespassers in your closet. You also hear them talk about how their plans are to "TAKE OVER" your home and property. Then, instead of jumping up and DEFENDING yourself, your family, home and property......... YOU ROLL OVER AND GO TO SLEEP!?! "You/your" in that story is....... WE THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY!! I can guarantee one thing, our Founding Fathers would have "strapped up the boots" by now!! Anyway, rant over. I just love my Country and can't stand to know we have an enemy among us, yet are too blind, lazy, uninterested, cowardly, whatever, to do something about it!?! Just my opinion of course......
He's done some great interviews with the Hoover Institution that you should check out
“Not attacks. Meditations.”
I love a good dose of passive aggression.
Good seeing you here
Just a great sense of humour
That’s not passive aggressive he’s being slightly facetious
It's actually humor, but I can clearly see how and why you in particular would make that mistake... #SeeWhatIDidThere
He'd blend into Minnesota well then
This guy's actually super funny. I like him. I would enjoy him as a professor.
Lol
@ excuse me? What are you talking about? Haha.
I'm funnier
Absolutely!
@@markcreemore4915 Could you clarify, for us that aren't trendy on internet terminology, what a groyper is? I've heard it a lot recently but I still have no idea what it is. Is it something specific to the US? Thank you.
This man is an absolute wordsmith. I could listen to him all day
He feels the same way.
Yep, sublime.
you would need to listen to him all day to catch him saying anything of substance......and even then you'd be lucky.
@@mcmanustony actually he makes very compact and cogent arguments but one needs to declutter one's mind from all the things they think they know to understand him.
@@TheKbthakur No he doesn't. He's a complete charlatan posing as an intellectual.....just one that hasn't actually DONE anything.
Berlinski’s sense of humor is so dry he could start a brush-fire in Kuala Lumpur in March
Excellent!
I love it
Cousin Mike HL Mencken is his hero
🤣🤣
I live in kuala lumpur and im confused about this joke (still laughing tho)
Certain he arrived to the studio in a DeLorean.
Oh shit I really like berlinski but you right on this one haha
I THOUGHT THE SAME THING
A cybertruck
Ben kinda looks like Marty😂😂😂
😁😁😁😂😂🤣🤣😊😊😋😋
This is the best Sunday special ever. First time Shapiro wasn’t the smartest person in the room.
To argue against evolution is like the story of the viking king who said he was so powerful he could stop the tide.... he couldn't!
To be honest I think Berlinski sounds very smart, which to some extent he is, but he’s phenomenal at using words. He isn’t as deep a thinker as you’d think. Some of his answers were shallow, albeit well phrased. I’m tempted to call him a intellectual comedian/ wordsmith.
Ummm.....william lane Craig, Jordan Peterson....
Isaiah Armstrong he is definitely an intellectual... jus sayin.
Jordan Peterson yes but William Lane Craig? Naaaahh. This guy reminds me of Deepok Chopa.
The way David Berlinksi conducts himself is so pleasantly hilarious. He's a clever man who is capable of having a civil discussion... he can disagree with Ben and provide counter evidence... he even calls Ben out on several instances when he believes that his argument is insufficient simply by saying "sure, so?" 39:35 LOL to which even Ben himself starts to chuckle.
Also, i like the fact that Ben has a more respectable approach to this guest (unlike how he talks in college campuses with hormonal students who seem to "know everything")
Very refreshing conversation.
Feels like I'm watching Bob Ross painting - but in eloquent existential debate of verbal formatting :D
The true difference between two gentlemen getting together to talk about their differences vs taking their differences and bashing each other over the head like clubs. When people can hide behind keyboards, it's easy to try and club each other.
We should all take every chance though to talk to people about their ideas and try to help them follow the train that leads to their own fallacies instead of calling them names and trying to make them feel dumb for their ideas
Great comparison with Bob Ross. Didn't think of that! 😊
They way I saw it was: David personally disagrees with it, so does Ben but Ben clearly states his libertarian position on the matter thus ended repeating himself twice, so David asking 'So what' just means he wasnt really following... as long as government dont cross the line, Ben is fine
Berlinski, one of the last of a dying breed. thanks for having him on
Dying breed of what? Failed academics?
@@mcmanustony Honest academics
@@kylejantjiesauthor He's an academic failure. He never had a full time job and was routinely fired from a succession of non tenured, temp, part time teaching assistant jobs.
Academic? What do you think his speciality is? What is he an academic IN?
@@kylejantjiesauthor Still waiting to hear about Berlinski's field as an academic. Quick FYI- sneering at your betters is not an academic field.
I love Berlinski. Over the past several years I’ve listened to his talks, interviews and lectures on TH-cam. I’ve been blessed by his knowledge and wit. A Rare man. Thanks, Ben.
What exactly is he any good at?
@@mcmanustony Boy, you are certainly a hate-filled troll. Wow, I am glad not all musicians are run by such hatred.
@@michaelbabbitt3837 thanks for that useless outburst. I notice you don’t answer the question. What is he any good at? He has contributed precisely fuck all to our understanding of any aspect of any branch of any science at any time: unless you count sitting on your arse helplessly lying and sneering at your betters as a contribution.
Not big on details are you?
Well.....He's a breath of fresh air.
Three hour discussion with Sam Harris, David Berlinski, Jordan Peterson, and William Lane Craig on metaphysical realities please and thank you Ben
Peterson may need some more time before he takes the world stage again.
Sam... I am certain metaphysical realities do not exist.
David... metaphysical realities may exist but science can only speculate on what they might be and not prove or disprove them, as the metaphysical is outside the boundaries of what science is able to observe and hence comment on.
Jordan...I behave as if metaphysical realities exist.
Craig...I not only believe in metaphysical realities but I know the truth of what they actually are.
...leave Sam home....he isn't up to the intellectual standard of the others.
Travis C. I’d replace Sam Harris with someone like Peter Boghossian instead.
I would sub for Bishop Barron.
This was incredibly unexpected. Ben never fails to surprise me with his guests and Berlinski-I, being a huge fan-was a treat to watch in The Ben Shapiro Show.
Thank you so much for this, Ben! Keep it coming and God bless!
David Berlinski is one of my favourite intellectuals. He is a guy deserving of the moniker.
What exactly is he any good at?
@@mcmanustony Certainly more than you, an internet troll.
@@michaelbabbitt3837 Your retorts are as pitiful as they are childish.
I mentioned having done research in mathematics. In that I proved a conjecture of my supervisor about the complexity of indecomposable modules over valuation rings. Given that Berlinski has contributed fuck all to any science it would seem that you’re wrong, once again.
Maybe look up that word “troll”. It doesn’t mean what you think it does. It doesn’t mean: someone smart enough to see my hero as a pretentious, lying jerk.
Philosophically speaking, Dr. Berlinski is the Galileo of the 20th century and beyond. Very heterodox to the establishment narrative. And
BTW, his word smithing is exceptional which is why I recommend reading any of his books, and if you enjoy sarcastic humor, he’s your man.
Sad to report, I had his book, "The Devil's Delusion;" Lent it to a high school teacher who never returned it.
This is more interesting than I thought it would be.
Check out Steven Meyer
@@jendernewtrall9846 Ben interviewed him Episode 43 Sunday Special.
Berlinski often speaks in a very difficult to comprehend manner. I was glad to see that he was conscious of that and was able to convey his message in a more understandable way.... still a bit lofty but better than usual.
I think Shapiro actually learned some things here
I like your username
DAVID BERLINSKI, FROM "THE DEVIL'S DELUSION":
In 2007, a number of scientists gathered in a conference entitled "Beyond Belief: Science, Religion, Reason, and Survival" in order to attack religious thought and congratulate one another on their fearlessness in so doing. The physicist Steven Weinberg delivered an address. As one of the authors of the theory of electroweak unification, the work for which he was awarded a Nobel Prize, he is a figure of great stature. "Religion," he affirmed, "is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. BUT FOR GOOD PEOPLE TO DO EVIL THINGS, THAT TAKES RELIGION." (caps added).
In speaking thus, Weinberg was warmly applauded, not one member of his audience asking the question one might have thought pertinent:
Just who has imposed on the suffering human race poison gas, barbed wire, high explosives, experiments in eugenics, the formula for Zyklon B, heavy artillery, pseudo-scientific justifications for mass murder, cluster bombs, attack submarines, napalm, intercontinental ballistic missiles, military space platforms, and nuclear weapons?
If memory serves, it was not the Vatican.
END OF BERLINSKI QUOTE
@Zeke Bean They didn't operate on Christian principles whatsoever. They operated on the premise of biological evolution, that humans can be forced to evolve in certain paths and that it is not immoral to destroy humans who are not of the right breed or stock. Contrast that with the teachings of Jesus and there is no comparison.
The Catholic Church has indeed committed atrocious deeds beyond comprehension throughout its history. However, it is not, and has never been, Christian. This can be seen by both looking at their origins as well as many of their doctrines and traditions which Catholic leadership has frequently and freely admitted go in complete opposition to the Bible's teachings. The Pope is considered (as evidenced by the Church's past statements and letters) another Christ on earth and even beyond, being completely infallible and able to rebuke God himself and change His laws at will.
It is a religious continuation of the pagan state of Rome with many Babylonian, Medo-Persian and Roman pagan doctrines as core elements of the religion. They changed the Bible in certain key ways to support their doctrines, and repeatedly killed tens of thousands of actual Christians who held on to any different Bible version including the correct original translation. Many Catholic versions of the Bible today undermine the divinity and teachings of Jesus Christ and elevate man. The "Saints" are equivalent to pagan gods and are treated the same way as ancient pagan worshipers treated their gods. Catholics pray to certain Saints to get certain benefits in the Saints' area of dominion and even bury statues of whichever Saint they need help from (whether that be the saint of finance, love, revenge, etc.) Catholics universally worship Mary as the mediatrix between Jesus and man, casting Jesus as an unforgiving tyrant who can only be persuaded to help man by "seeing the breast which gave him suck, and his wrath shall be appeased." (St. Alphonsus Liguori). They are the single greatest pagan religion in the world all under a vague semblance of Christianity.
See the book "Babylon Mystery Religion: Ancient and Modern" for a full analysis of where Roman Catholicism derives its doctrines and the many parallels it shares with old paganism.
@@valthiriansunstrider2540 I know you mean well, but your understanding of Catholicism is so far off that is is impossible to know where to start in response. So, instead, I'll direct you - if you are really seeking to make an argument - to go over to Catholic Answers at www.catholic.com/, and just look around. Find something you disagree with, and ask questions there. Put the various authors to the test. This should not be a problem to you, as you seem to have all your arguments worked out. If your statements are true, your arguments should be able to win any test you put. Perhaps we can both agree that we both pray that the Lord will lead you to the truth?
I know! Bullshit isn't it. Zyklon B was designed by scientists to kill lice. Which it does effectively. That it was used by the Nazis to kill human beings is no more a reflection on the scientists than that fact that carbon monoxide also kills humans.
Berlinski is pseudo intellectual poseur of the fist order.
Weinberg's assertion was very vague. I don't understand what he really meant by "good people" and "evil people". Are there any descriptions of Good and Evil found in science? Or Weinberg was just taking the benefit of equivocation? Or he has his own unproven beliefs in the abstract?
@@mcmanustony I'd say you have a point for Zyklon B. Still, science is a human endeavor, and has the ability to do good and evil because humans are both. Mengele was doing scientific research, yes? Science and religion are only as good as the people practicing them, perhaps. All have sinned, I'm sure of that.
These two are like opposites in speech. One is slow and takes his time to form his words, while the other spits out his words like a machine gun. I love It
David is a sniper with words, like Jordan Peterson but Ben is a machine gun.
@@Him.TheOneAndOnly Excellent analogy
and neither has the faintest idea what he's talking about.
Haha so true!!
@@mcmanustony lol that’s interesting inference seems pretty opposite to me. These two are are the best in their separate fields and combined have more knowledge and intelligence than half the world
This is one of the main guys that made me question evolution. Can't wait to watch this!
Agreed. Im not a theist but I reject the modern vision of the Theory of evolution. We must question everything equally.
Chris Atlantic I’m a theist but I believe in a different kind of theory of evolution. There is more than one. Neo Darwinian theory is the mainstream view but I hold to process structuralism. That makes a lot more sense to me.
m.th-cam.com/video/pwnerL8M1pE/w-d-xo.html
I am a theist so you could say I was kinda biased not believing in Evolution but I try my best not to let my beliefs get in the way plus I do believe in ID rather than creationism.
You would like the video on the HooverInstitutes channel called Mathematical Challenges to Darwin’s Theory. Berlinski is in that video too.
@@ThatReadingGuy28 That's how science works, whatever makes the most sense to you is probably the most true.
37:15 Berlinski: “Against stupidity even the gods are helpless.” Priceless. Accurate proverb to apply to much of the twaddle coming out of the social (pseudo)sciences and the humanities of today. Love you Ben! You are a refreshing thinking person.
His mastery of the language is striking.
Oh, I need a dictionary when listening to him
"You should never underestimate the attraction of a primitive worldview. It's tedious to develop a sophisticated worldview." Berlinski dropped that Pure Fire.
I would love to see David Berlinski and Jordan Peterson do a discussion. That would truly be epic.
It would be repetitive
Too much sugar for a nickel.
“Many many aspects of the French Revolution are quite similar to things that are taken place today, in terms of the rhetoric, the propaganda, the level of indignation and the synthetic anger. Most anger that we experience today in the United States and Europe is synthetic, it’s the product of a confection: it’s like taking an egg white and beating it up, it may increase in volume but it’s not going to increase in substance.”
- best summary of living in 2019 I have ever heard!
Love Berlinski. He has some of the same insight GK Chesterton had 100 years ago...
“Modern masters of science are much impressed with the need of beginning all inquiry with a fact. The ancient masters of religion were quite equally impressed with that necessity. They began with the fact of sin - a fact as practical as potatoes. Whether or no man could be washed in miraculous waters, there was no doubt at any rate that he wanted washing. But certain religious leaders in London, not mere materialists, have begun in our day not to deny the highly disputable water, but to deny the indisputable dirt. Certain new theologians dispute original sin, which is the only part of Christian theology which can really be proved. Some followers of the Reverend R. J. Campbell, in their almost too fastidious spirituality, admit divine sinlessness, which they cannot see even in their dreams. But they essentially deny human sin, which they can see in the street. The strongest saints and the strongest sceptics alike took positive evil as the starting-point of their argument. If it be true (as it certainly is) that a man can feel exquisite happiness in skinning a cat, then the religious philospher can only draw one of two deductions. He must either deny the existence of God, as all atheists do; or must deny the present union between God and man, as all Christians do. The new theologians seem to think it a highly rationalistic solution to deny the cat.”
As always, David Berlinski's interviews are invigorating. Lots of food for thought
I can't get the picture of David Berlinski watching kitten videos out of my head.
I love me a good Berlinski interview. He's like a living library, and I'm continually astonished at the things he dredges out of memory on the fly. A treat to listen to him.
@@Eric-hw4fm Seriously? His peddles the notion that mathematics is his field of expertise. His "grasp" of that subject is hopeless.....
@@Eric-hw4fm "he's one of the smartest people I've listened to"- try to get out more. He's contributed precisely nothing to any branch of any of the sciences he lies about and sneers at. He sycophants trot out a list of all the universities he has been associated with- not mentioning that he was merely a short term teaching assistant and was fired from almost all of them. His claim to have been a "post doctoral fellow in mathematics and molecular biology" turned out to be, in his words, "self styled"- or what normal people would call a lie.
He never managed to get a full time job anywhere and is now paraded around the right wing Christian bobble head circuit as some kind of intellectual colossus- just not one who has actually discovered anything about anything....ever.
In the sciences he lies about he is totally unknown. My background is in mathematics and philosophy. I studied precisely the branch of philosophy where he did his PhD. His name never came up. I did research in mathematics. Again....no mention of the great Berlinski. I've met precisely ONE mathematician who has ever heard of him- and that had to do with Berlinski's idiotic antics regarding evolution.
An example of a smarter person would be the French mathematician Rene Thom with whom Berlinski claims to have worked.....oddly enough, the "work" can be found nowhere in the collected works of Rene Thom. Maybe the cat ate it....or maybe Berlinski is simple what he appears to be: a pretentious, lying fraud.
@@Eric-hw4fm "the depth and intricacies of his answers"- the what now? Have you listened to the utter drivel of his "cows to whales" routine? It would embarrass a child.
"his insanely sophisticated vocabulary"- He knows all the words. Would be nice if he could actually use them to say something of depth. "Like two immense polar bears, Newton and Leibniz, remain for ever frozen on the tundra of time".......ummm.....polar bears evolved to NOT freeze. His writing on mathematics, as well as being frequently wrong, is pretentious, narcissistic tripe. His accidentally comical account of explaining the concept of "limits" to a group of professional mathematicians is indeed "insane"...but not sophisticated.
He does raise one interesting question: how the fuck does he get away with it?
@@mcmanustony and of course you would know better than an actual mathematician
@@documenter1199 he’s not an actual mathematician- as I explained. He has a bachelors and has done no research in the subject.
I did research in pure mathematics- indecomposable modules over valuation rings- and hence can spot that he’s a pretentious fraud. There is one video on TH-cam where he attempts to discuss advanced mathematics- it’s a train-wreck of comedic proportions. Almost nothing he said- in reference to the Riemann Hypothesis- was correct. He waffled about the nature of “conjecture”, missing the the RH is a HYPOTHESIS- meaning, there’s a ton of work predicated on it being true.
He identified it as a problem in “complex function theory”. Nonsense- it has huge implications for the distribution of the primes. It is a problem in number theory
He dropped the fascinating nugget that poor tragic Riemann died at the same age as poor tragic Schubert- not even close to being true, but how almost painfully cultured he sounded.
He then talked absolute drivel about the hypothesis- revealing that what he might once have known about “complex function theory” he’s long since forgotten (the RH can be understood by a second year undergrad- the stuff he’s forgotten is very very basic)
He then babbled about “proofs that are being considered”- there are none.
Were he an honest man, on being asked he’d have said- I’ve no idea, it way beyond me- but he’s not an honest man.
In short- you’ve been duped. I’ve worked in mathematics at a far higher level that Berlinski and know that he’s a pretentious fraud.
I’m not a mathematician. Neither is he.
I was the first one ever to suggest Dr. Berlinski be invited to the show. Thank you Jesus!
He is like Jordan Peterson if, Jordan never cleaned his room.
😁🤣
@@mrburley I, stand, by, my, grammatical, errors.,
@@mrburley nah, its correct. He is the person speaking, sooooo, he can place a pause where ever he likes...
Rich B if you stand by your grammatical errors, it must mean you also stand by your messy room as well, am I right? 🤨
@@mrburley ahhhh, nope,,,,
So not only did C.S. Lewis say "Plato was right" but Berlinski is affirming the same (at least to an extent). Most ordinary people are "essentialists" and don't know it. Their "essentialism" is what makes them happy and they don't know it. Most intellectuals are "existentialists" of the "atheistic" kind and they know it. This is what makes them unhappy and I think they know it?
I've never listened to David Berlinski not read any of this work. However, this man is one of the most articulate intellectuals walking on this Earth. He's the personification of the education that used to be presumed in previous generations. We've lost our curiosity and he proves it.
This was fantastic. Felt like 10mins.
Really though!
Agree, was just commenting that he is very interesting. But more over, he was very easy to follow despite his seemingly "convoluted" words that don't feel convoluted at all.
Smart guys like Ravi Zacharias cites Mr. Berlinski. So cool to hear this discussion.
To be sure....though if I remember correctly Ravi accidentally/erroneously claimed Beinski was a physicist when quoting him...when Berlinski isn't. Which makes me question how closely Ravi follows David Berlinski.
@@jvt_redbaronspeaks4831 yeah Zacharias was supposed to say that Berlinski is a mathematician. He isn't- but that's the usual lie.
I'm so glad you had David on. He's one of my favorite people. It's rare to find someone so incredibly self-aware, who makes no excuses for themselves and expects the same of others.
Wonderful conversation, thank you for offering actual critical thinking and thinkers to the masses.
Huge Berlinski fan. Haven't seen him in years though. Last I heard he was living the life of a hermit in Paris.
He still very much is lol.
This is the best interview of late...
When are David Berlinski and Jordan Peterson going to have a public discussion together?
When Patterson learns to humble himself.
I am a huge fan of both of these guys. What a treat this Sunday especial is!!!
It is easier to endure any "how" if you have a "why"
It's odd to see an unironic Nietzsche quote under a Ben Shapiro video - then again, Nietzsches main concern was how people were going to make sense of the World without religion in the 20th century. Their attempt made people like Ben - or me, in a reactionary sense.
@@arthurobrien7424 yeah I can't even remember what it was David Berlinski said that made me think of it. There's alot to consider in this talk.
I think it would be pretty cool to have so much study and meditation to draw from and to be able to effortlessly articulate my thoughts in a more precise way.
But I just have fun learning as I bumble around.
Finally! One of my favorite scientists. A true, independent voice of reason in academia. People should hear what he has to say about the biased attitudes and peer pressure regarding the theory of Evolution, in higher education, research and publication.
He is not a scientist and never has been. He is also not in academia having been fired from a succession of temporary teaching assistant jobs long ago. Where do you think he does his "science"? Which department, which university?
@@mcmanustony A simple Wikipededia search proves that you full of s**t.
After his PhD, *Berlinski was a research assistant in the Department of Biology at Columbia University.* (Last time I checked, that is a field of science) *He has taught philosophy, mathematics and English at Stanford University, Rutgers, the City University of New York and the Université de Paris.* (Last time I checked, that is academic positions) He was a research fellow at the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis (IIASA) in Austria and the Institut des Hautes Études Scientifiques (IHES) in France.
And considering the state of universities nowadays, if he is not in academia today, that says more about the state of academia than it does him.
Ben : “thanks so much for stopping by”
Everyone : “thanks for having me Ben”
David : “you’re welcome”
I am absolutely floored by this guest. How did I not know of him before?
Jordan Breon I did he rebutted Dawkins Book: The God Delusion called The Devil’s Delusion.
I’ve loved Berlinski’s brilliance for a few years. Extremely under appreciated mind. Officially an Agnostic, yet impressively free spirited intellectual willing to genuinely criticize any viewpoint.
Because mainstream media refuses to promote him, or Stephen Meyer, John Lennox, James Tour, William Lane Craig etc.
Unlike, Ben and Jordan Peterson.
Enquiring minds will question why some are promoted while others aren’t! It’s no a coincidence, it’s by design.
Matthew 24:4 they don’t want a thinking population.
@Jordan Breon
He works with the discovery institute which are the guys who promote Intelligent Design. THAT'S why you haven't heard of him.
Getting an MS in Math because of this man right here
Jakeyy T Hell yeah. Good for you brother. This man is my hero.
His grasp of mathematics is pitiful.
@@mcmanustony And you are an internet noone-troll. Grow up.
@@mcmanustony "pitiful" : 'A short history of Mathematics,' 'The advent of the algorithm' are but a few books of David Berlinski on Mathematics.
@@su-mu his books are elementary, dreadful in their pompous narcissism, riddled with mistakes and out of print.
I have only once seen him attempt to discuss advanced mathematics. It was a comedic train wreck of staggering ignorance and pretentious posturing.
Asked his “opinion” of the Riemann Hypothesis his honest answer would have been “not a fucking clue. WAY beyond my grasp”….he is not honest however.
We were treated to a pompous monologue about “conjecture” vs “theorem”. Something that could have been said clearly in 2 sentences. He missed the import of “hypothesis” entirely. He could have made, were he not too busy preening himself, the point that a large body of mathematics has been predicated on the RH being true….
“It’s a problem in complex function theory”. Wrong. It involves a complex function but it’s a problem in number theory- again no mention from the “mathematician” Berlinski.
Then a slew of pompous horseshit about poor tragic Riemann dying at the same age as poor tragic Schubert! They didn’t (31=\=39) but how almost painfully cultured he sounds….
Then some nonsense about the upper half plane….WRONG the zeta function is defined everywhere except at 1. He’s half remembering some pop account of modular forms in the proof of Fermat- irrelevant and wrong.
“The question is do the zeros line up on a pole or are they all over the place”….what the actual fuck is that? A pole is a POINT, not a line, where a function has a singularity. The first several thousand BILLION zeros are known to lie on the critical LINE re(z)=1/2. The rest are known to be within a narrow strip around the line. So what the flailing arm gestures illustrating “all over the place” were about is anyone’s guess.
After this comical mess, for an encore he yammered on about proofs that are being examined…..ummmm….there are none. The last was Atiyah’s years ago and a flaw was found very quickly.
Berlinski is a pretentious lying fraud and nothing more.
If you’d like some actual mathematicians to listen to I can recommend many. But this academic failure will waste your time.
Berlinski is brilliant. Always à delight to listen to him.
Thank you Ben for introducing me to him, I’m about to buy his books
Ana Sol thanks I’ll check it out, it’s so refreshing to find someone so precise and direct
“It invigorates me to find a good hater” 🤣
Right after that, he cites a Robert Frost poem from memory. 😱😁 impressive
McManustony must invigorate the hell out of Berlinski .
@@302indian Lmao yeah I've seen that guy around in the comments
Ravi references Berlinski all the time in his talks/debates
Sheena Vaught great crossover
Yes!! That's why I was certain I heard the name before!
@@AdvocateSpirit Me too
he has called Berlinski one of the world's greatest physicists. He not a physicist at all. He poses as a mathematician but isn't that either. Zacharias is too busy lying about his own education to properly rehearse the lies about Berlinski.
Dr Berlinski was my philosophy professor at San Jose State in the 80's and he was as gracious and sincere with a bunch of state school knuckle heads as he is with Ben. He dressed the same and carried himself the same way which suggests a solid, integral character.
Was that one of the many jobs he ended up getting fired from?
@@mcmanustony cope
@@marcusaviles3646 were you hoping at some time to make a point?
David Berlinski destroys the “feel good” , soft sciences. Great interview
Locke Li Social Sciences have a well known replication problem
Virtually no one in any science has ever heard of him. Outside of his circus act in the US where he poses as a scientist for audiences of gullible scientifically illiterate conservatives he is an utter non entity. He is not and never has been a scientist and the same for his supposed field of expertise- mathematics.
The one moderately interesting question he raises- albeit accidentally- is: how the fuck does he get away with it?
@@mcmanustony Okay, can you please point me in the direction of books you have personally written?
@@lucavasilache2390 Why? What possible bearing does my publication record have to do with the fact that Berlinski is a pretentious lying fraud?
@@lucavasilache2390 I am a professional musician. My publications are recordings- and, unlike those of the preening bore Berlinski, they are all still in print.
Maybe you were working up to addressing my point. Berlinski is not and never has been a scientist and is not and never has been a mathematician. His contribution is merely to helplessly lie and sneer from the sidelines. Maybe as you do that you'll realise the irrelevance of my publication record to the antics of Berlinski.
As it happens I have a publisher in England and am working on a book now. I'll keep you posted.
He fixed the flux capacitor I see.
"synthetic anger". That sums up our time.
Exactly! You can beat an egg white until it's all fluffy, and the volume has increased, but not the substance. Genius!
I never tire of listening to Mr. Berlinski. I pray for him often because I really want to meet him in heaven.
I can’t help but notice that how David speaks and phrases his sentences reminds me of Boris Karloff... which is really cool!
"I understand the sentiment, but that still does not make it an argument."
Shapiro destroyed with facts and logic 😂.
Happens often
Whats the timestamp?
@@danoruhdanuk2647 It was a little more than half way through.
I liked him in Ben Stine's Expelled Documentary.
Yes a great use of Berlinski, indeed. He and Dawkins are quite famous debate foes
I liked him in Back To The Future movies
@@jjeKKell they debated once. Dawkins recollection was that Berlinski made a fool of himself in the debate.
Its Stein. The movie was a pack of lies from start to finish. Here in Canada in theatres the average audience was 6.
I must admit Ben asked very good questions that by and large engaged David on a sincere intellectual level, and his replies, as always, never cease to take your breath away if you are actually listening.
Awesome! I just recently read 'The Devils Delusion' by Berlinski. Great book by quite complex at times. I like his wit, humility and honesty. We need more thinkers like him.
one of the few pepole that you can listen to again and again
dude i havent heard from this guy in like a decade, where has be been???
Chilling in his apartment in France haha. Seriously, search for his interview with Rational Religion. He literally gives the entire interview lying down on his couch.
Probably laughed at in any intellectual circle bc he’s a joke. Apparently Ben is now promoting pseudo science but jobs in order to promote his assertion that the bible is the basis for morality.
Lou L lot of ad homs and not a lot of substance in your response. Having read “The Devils Delusion” back when I was an atheist, you claiming Berlinski believes in pseudo science is silly.
As far is Ben is concerned, he’s asking you to make a rational case for your morality: since atheism relies on the subjective, you can’t and that’s why you are salty.
Well, he had a very serious health scare three years ago I think it was. It was not long after his daughter had moved to Paris, I think.
Looooooooove Berlinski! I've been waiting years for this book. Great interview.
"The individual is the ultimate minority" Jordan Peterson
Ayn Rand said it first.
@@soaringwingssecondstage8995 Truth defies ownership.
@@soaringwingssecondstage8995 Yes, but Ayn Rand meant it in terms of an individual's selfish pursuit. Peterson means it in terms of an individual's maturation by taking up responsibility.
@@samuelboucher1454 No, they both meant exactly the same thing when they said "The individual is the ultimate minority". As in you can not find a smaller minority than the individual, effectively praising individuality over collective thinking.
Don't confuse the philosophy of Rand and Peterson with the meaning behind the shared quote.
Bill Whittle often references Individualism (conservative) vs Collectivism (progressive).
Fantastic conversation. Berlinski is a fascinating and brilliant guy.
You need to interview him like 50 times. So smart.
Mark Metternich Photography, LLC isn’t that the truth, i wish he was as prevalent a public figure as Jordan Peterson. I wish everybody was interviewing Berlinski... his vocabulary, eloquence, rhetoric, penetrating insights & ability to gracefully draw lines between key points we aught to have recognized in plain sight!
I like this guy. He's cocky and frank with a healthy awareness of his own limitations. And his point about government not being the only solution to problems, but rather social pressure being a very effective tool, is spot-on and too seldom discussed these days.
I like how he responds with "WHY?" at 39.35...and challenges Ben. teehee
Slowest talker VS fastest talker.
And this proves that the fastest is not necessarily smarter
I'm usually bored by a slow talker. But this guy was pleasant, interesting and managed to make an hour feel like 10 minutes.
Eli S 🤣👍
Sumora isn’t that the truth!
I love this man. I never thought anyone could make Ben look like a hippie. I agree 100% with David Berlinski.
This is awesome, everyone I ever wanted has officially been on the show!
"The governing word is stumble." My goodness he's quick!
Not only is David brilliant and funny, he's a bit of a fashion statement too. You should see him when he's more relaxed and not wearing his suit.
... a one-of-a-kind, through and through 🤗
I feel like I was just constantly fed this whole time.
If only they would both sit up straight! 😅
Every time I watch Sunday specials and see Ben's posture I cringe and want to tell him to sit back. 😅
Ben doesn't have an excuse, David is at least 75, at that point he can do what he wants. (But I agree with you, Ben should get LUMO LIFT as a sponsor, then he'd get a little beep or something on his phone when he slouched 😂).
Jordan Peterson: "I'm on it."
Dumb comment of the day. Please delete
you are barking up the wrong tree th-cam.com/video/VIgHsm3Faio/w-d-xo.html
Ben...you gotta work on your posture in that chair. My back hurts just from watching you.
Those are the shoulders that have to carry all the lies he has been telling and evil he is causing
@@Gnolomweb lmao, that is so weak and pathetic I actually laughed... @you not your point though
@@spencerfly1007 spanish fly tells me about my maturity level. 🤣🤣🤣
Think those chairs are part of the problem actually. Stylish as they are the backs need to be more upright.
"They're Idiots!" Succinct and accurate!
David is one of the greatest scientists in our time
I agree with everything he said ...man the way he thinks is amazing to me
"David is one of the greatest scientists in our time"- What the hell are you smoking? He is not and never has been a scientist of any kind.
Superb conversation!
David Berlinski is a true philosopher! He's the best!
The poetry, I’m slayed
What a fascinating conversion!
thank you for sharing with us!
One of the better Sunday specials!
David is bold, intelligent and entertaining a first principles contrarian. Thank you Ben!
What is he any good at?
Back to the future...Doc 🤗 someone challenging Ben...very enjoyable
David Berlinski is a class act and an eloquent intellectual. Love all his interviews. Thanks Ben!
What exactly is he any good at? What is his field of expertise?
@@mcmanustony Berlinski received his Ph.D. in philosophy from Princeton University and was later a postdoctoral fellow in mathematics and molecular biology at Columbia University. He has authored works on systems analysis, differential topology, theoretical biology, analytic philosophy, and the philosophy of mathematics, as well as three novels. He has also taught philosophy, mathematics and English at Stanford, Rutgers, the City University of New York and the Université de Paris. In addition, he has held research fellowships at the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis in Austria and the Institut des Hautes Études Scientifiques.
@@sirsleepy2472 " Berlinski received his Ph.D. in philosophy from Princeton University"- and had ZERO impact on the study of Wittgenstein. He has since published one minuscule paper on Quine 50 years ago. Good work though! You can cut AND paste!
"was later a postdoctoral fellow in mathematics and molecular biology at Columbia University. "- utter bullshit. A post doc in two subjects, neither of which he has any graduate training and one not even UNDERgraduate training...sure thing. Tune in next week and we'll have Professor Schmorg Blorgendorf, post doctoral fellow in economics and quantum mechanics with his PhD in dentistry. He was at Columbia for ONE semester- post docs are hired for a year minimum and often three. They also produce research- where's Berlinski's? He was forced to admit that "post doctoral fellow" was "self styled"- or as we say in the clean world; a lie.
He had a string of low level, non tenured teaching assistant stints at various places, none full time and, by his own admission he was FIRED from almost all. So, more of a rubbish teaching assistant than an intellectual.
"He has authored works on systems analysis, differential topology, "- expository article, and a book review- decades ago, impact nil.
His mathematics books are godawful pompous tripe- decades out of print- and his pretensions around being a mathematician are simply comical.
Here's a chronological list of his original research in all scientific fields.
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here's that list again this time in alphabetical order.
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"he has held research fellowships"- I don't believe that for a second for the simple reason that he has fuck all published research and a track record of grotesquely inflating his credentials- including lying about a non existent PhD in mathematics.
So, what is he any good at?
@@mcmanustony 😂! I thought you were asking a sincere question. So of course I copied and pasted the information. But to answer your last question since I am not an intellectual myself I really couldn’t tell you about his post doctoral positions and the papers he wrote or there impact. What I can say is that if you are correct and I don’t think you are, but if you are correct he is good at getting away with and convincing people all those credentials are true and well deserved. People in those very intellectual circles and who are far more intelligent than you or I.
@@sirsleepy2472 " I really couldn’t tell you about his post doctoral positions and the papers he wrote or there impact."- you can now because I took the time to inform you. He lied about being a "post doctoral fellow" and has admitted it. He has lied for decades about a PhD in mathematics that doesn't exist.
Besides his outright lies, he is more guilty of grotesque credential inflation. He blabbers about a period at one prestigious institution where, as far as any record I can find, he was there for a few days and gave two expository talks. Whoop!
It's thoroughly dishonest. I gave a graduate seminar hosted by the Economics Department of the City University of New York. Were I as deceitful as Berlinski I'd therefore present myself as a huge figure in academic economics. In the real world I was there for 2 days as an invited guest to teach MBA graduate students about the finances of the independent music sector.
Berlinski's career as an academic was an unmitigated disaster. He never managed to have a full time teaching job and was routinely fired from one institution after another. His "research" you'd need an electron microscope to detect. One short paper on the philosopher WVO Quine 50 years ago.....wow!
If you read what actual scientists and mathematicians (the small number who have actually heard of him) say about him you'll see he doesn't get away with it. He is widely seen for what he is: a lying, sneering, self-important fraud.
"who are far more intelligent than you or I."- you don't know anything about my intelligence. I have worked in mathematics at a far higher level that Berlinski and can see him for the pretentious, non-achieving ego-maniac he is.
You're welcome.
A very great conversation between two intelligent, educated, respectful men. Despite my limited formal education, as compared to them, I'd enjoy sitting down with them for a like conversation. I do question some of the comments, if only ton clarify that with which I disagree. Great post. Thank you.
Watching right before I head out to church, excellent discussion. Try to get James Tour on the next one!!!
Feminisation is what happened to colleges and broader western society.
He hit the nail on the head, “the collapse of authority.” He witnessed intelligent men who were willing to let the mob rule. These “wise” men gave away their authority through fear and inaction. The feminist’s were opportunists who filled the void...they were merely a symptom of a much more insidious failure of mankind. Everyone man and women unwilling to stand up for what is right is equally culpable in the collapse of our society.
You think this guy could build me a time machine..
Out of a DeLorean!
Insert heavy breathing 😆
GEEEEZZZZ-USSS HE LOOKS THE PART!!! OMGLOLOLOL!!!!!!!
😂😂😂
I've seen a couple versions of this quote attributed to George Carlin: "Political correctness is fascism pretending to be good manners." Word! Berlinski is an important thinker. Thanks for the interview!!
Wow! Wow! Wow!
What a breath of fresh air to listen to common sense👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
wasn't expecting this but I'm a fan of David
lanzo86 if you haven’t... search some of his interviews on TH-cam, he has some really interesting points on different topics.
I'd love to see him and Peterson discussing evolutionary biology. It's not their field but they have very strong and polarizing views on it. Granted it'd be great
BRILLIANT!!! ❤❤ LOVE DR BELINSKY!
Thank you SO much daily wire...I have been asking in the comments for months to have David Berlinski on!
One of my more favorite interviews Ben! Good stuff!
First on Frank Turek’s podcast,now on Shapiro’s show,nice.
I would love to see Frank on a Sunday special.
Fiddler Green me too
Frank Turek has a podcast?!
Sergio Ortiz Yes,it’s called “i don’t have enough faith to be an atheist”
He recently had David Berlinski on.
The Devil's Delusion with Dr. David Berlinski: th-cam.com/video/NLrXQ47s1bA/w-d-xo.html&t
Thank you Ben! I really like Dr. Berlinski, so glad you had him on your show. It was a fantastic interview, very interesting!
I've never thought Ben would bring David Berlinski on the show. As a christian I would love to see him turn to Christ. this was a special show for me, i have a deep respect
David Berlinski over the past years. GOOD JOB BEN. GREAT SHOW AS USUAL