Why did they make this metal Bic pen??
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Yeahhhhhh sorry if this video just felt like a lot of whining but hopefully some of it made sense. The drawing still turned out pretty cool so it's clearly still a functional drawing utensil, but I got annoyed by the eco-posturing which in turn made them create an inferior metal ballpoint pen.
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It annoys me to no end how many pens I've had to throw away cause they've run out of ink when theyee so easily refillable if they just came with refill inserts 🙄
sustainable choices should be the norm by now. I believe it's a result of Bic's interest in profit at the end of the day. Those pens are everywhere but they don't put refills in front of your face in the store shelves just a whole new pen to buy.
@Peter Piper • 32 years ago want any sauce with your boot 😂?
I've never been able to run a ballpoint dry, they usually just stop writing long before the ink runs out😡
Your comment just explains you don't or rarily buy pens that are refillable or sustainable. Who's stopping you from buying a fountain pen, dipping pen or refillable ballpoint pen?
@@ValleyOfWillows No I have 2 fountain pens that I use regularly. I'm talking about for everyday use. The ink I have bought bleeds through regular college rule paper and I'm not gonna buy expensive paper just to take notes for class. I try to use them whenever I can but unfortunately it isn't always an option- I also need a really fine tipped black ink pen for my major (writing on legal documents) and I haven't been able to look around to find one yet. I don't really know why you felt the need to criticize my post- this is a pretty big issue that I think most Americans at least deal with, there's no reason to make it personal
are you a magician. how do u just effortless come up with these masterpieces casually?!
Obviously, He’s a magic man
No, I agree with you. A nice aluminum pen with a plastic cap feels less than complete--even if it is a partially recycled plastic cap in a recycled paper box. Maybe they can make partially recycled plastic pens with the partially recycled cap and all aluminum pens with aluminum caps. But anyway, thank for the video. Your drawings are inspiring as usual.
But if it was an aluminum cap it would get stuck all the time. Metal on metal contacts are less than ideal.
Yes love your critique of this! I agree it looks like green washing 🙃
me too i think Peter had nothing but valid critiques. Also just learned a new phrase w "green-washing" so thanks lol
It would be but for the fact that Peter got it wrong, you can actually buy extra refills for this pen!
@@ffotograffydd link?
@@donbutto Google it mate, the link I found is no use to you if you don’t live in the same country.
@@ffotograffydd except shipping a little pack of pen refills you ordered online definitely negates any environmental friendliness this product has
I think that cross hatch shaded background on the square space drawing was so sick
Peter - I swear you are one level up away from cutting off an ear and sending it to an admirer . . .
you want my spare ear?
@@peter_draws Lol!
I love Bic Crystals. I've used them all my life, and i still find them the easiest to get into drawing. When i was a teen i used to doodle tattoo designs (as you do ) and i remember getting sharp edges... i also remember them being so satisfying to build up. Anyway, just reminiscing. Thanks for the drawing
How to get a refill of bic pen
That's why they're still around after over 50 years....they haven't changed much, except for the cap color.
@@rodneyperry6942 that is very true, even that particularly familiar smell is still the same :)
i think i lost majority of pens in my life before i needed to refill them. So for me an eco-friendly pen needs to have a gps built in X3
Also, the box it came in could fit like two or three more pens in it anyways- or like you said, make their packaging more environmentally friendly from recyclable sources and such. Stuff like this has to be thought out completely. I like metal pens too, I like using materials that have weight. I don’t consider your thoughts as whiny, it does seem so… “betraying” in an sense to see something be labeled as one way, in this case eco-friendly and just plainly seeing it doesn’t follow suit.
Really appreciate your insights, and always love the drawings!
If anyone knows any good brands that make good recycle pens and materials, please tell me!!! I’d like to use them!
It's almost like an conceptual art piece where you take something that's cheap and replaceable and just make it special by using high end materials. I like it.
He’s a genius.
Exactly! It's fucking genius. And the fact that the cap is still plastic is hilarious! It allows one to bend the clip part which is also iconic.
This artist is a very talented moron.
Simply beautiful Peter
Preach!! I completely agree with you on the pen and it's crap like this that actually motivated me to get into fountain pens.
oh this! definitely this! the few non-fountain pens that i have around are refillable too (i have two coletos that function as an every day pen and a multi-pencil).
with FPs, once you get that one or few inks that you really want, you just keep using those few inks all throughout your years. plus, buying ink samples for the more fun inks that you're unlikely to use often is much more enjoyable than having so so many pens that you you'll keep throwing away once they're all used up
Hey Peter, hope you have a great day :)
Thanks, you too!
I think it’s really for people that love the Bic pen but want it in a nicer body, that’s all. Like the Pilot G2 you can get all sorts of high end metal and wood bodies for.
Always great to see you, Peter! Thanks for the sensible review 😊 I really like the type of hatching background that you used in your SquareSpace ad!!!
Thanks for the new video and drawing, Peter! I am inspired by you!
Great and very fair review, Peter and I totally agree. I have filled empty Bic refills with my own ink before. Bit messy, and depending on the ink it doesn’t always work, but when it does is quite fun.
I actually made a metal BIC pen, even made a video about it. It was made out of solid brass though, but took standard BIC refills. Looked smashing, but was way too heavy to use for any length of time comfortably. I kind of want this lighter metal one, even if it's performative, I love me a good light metal pen. Currently rocking a full metal Parker Jotter, and it's been my go-to pen for quite a while, but I do have a lot of love for those BIC refills.
I love the Bic crystal inserts. I believe the Bic 4 colour pens use the same tips, and I love those 4 colour Bic pens.
I understand the need for the cap to be plastic with the original bic pen design. The lid only fits onto the original bic pen design because the lid can flex around the ridges of the pen. But I think if bic just made an affordable metal pen that wasn't the shape of the original, and provided quality refills for that one, it would accomplish their goal with this and more.
Agree, the essence of being environmentally conscious is to stop buying more things..if they offer no refills, then what's the point?! If they offer refills for the regular pens, that would be more than enough.
Love the drawing. It's always interesting to see the outcome ❤
I've been using Bic Round Sticks and pulling the inks as refills for my 3d printed pens. I'm all on board with your assessment of this pen and the lack of just refills on the market.
It is odd that they don't supply refills to the most ubiquitous pen in existence.
They do! Somehow Peter missed it. It took me all if 30 seconds to find the refills on Amazon.
@Peter Piper • 32 years ago I watched for a review of the pen, but instead just heard lots of complaints about a nonexistent refill that does actually exist… it might have gained my view this time, but I’ll probably give future reviews a miss… so short term gain leads long term loss.
@Peter Piper • 32 years ago Did you go there? It lists it, but there is no links to buy even though they say there is.
@@ffotograffydd I found refills as well, but was it Cristal refills?(BIC Cristal Ballpoint B3 Refill) I remember seeing them in office supply stores like 20 years ago...but not lately.
@Peter Piper • 32 years ago No argument from me.
It put a smile on my face to see that you posted 😁
Brother, your explanation is good and your drawing with pen is amazing ❤
Subscribed to you. I can relate with you on so many things and quirks… love your channel brother. You have gotten me into fountain pens and drawing on a whole other inspirational level! 😎🧑🎨🧙♂️
Amazon UK sells the refills for £6.61 for a set of 3 and the pen for £8.40 or £12.49 depending on which seller you choose. 🤣
Umm, I am perplexed as you are Peter !
Been usinig these for journaling/sketching for a good while now. 's good.
I got a stainless steel Sharpie once and promptly lost it, that was the last time I buy a fancy version of a cheap pen.
Haha yeah I lost my stainless steel sharpie too
The bic crystal is my all time favorite pen! So smooth for a ball point, water proof, zero skipping, fast drying, cheap
I've been super curious about the bolt action pens i've been seeing floating around Instagram. Bunch of companies that make them, but the one that I remember off the top of my head is called Bastion.
Hi Peter! I really don't think that you're making too big of a deal out of this. I too believe there's too much "advertisement" on eco friendly products, when the big companies are just brushing their waste under the rug and feeding is big, fancy words.
Love the vid! Keep callin 'em out!
I'm getting ready to start singing the Daniel Boone song, with that coon skin hat you are wearing. ha
I agree with you. My idea for Bic is for them to: discontinue the plastic barreled pens altogether; make all of their pen barrels from recycled aluminum; make the aluminum barrels in different colors (for fun and/or ink color); sell refills with plastic tips in colors to indicate ink colors; make a better cap, perhaps in recycled aluminum with rubber/plastic o-ring inside to pressure fit on aluminum barrel; make all of their packaging recyclable; have place on aluminum barrel to etch your name.
Also, make a view strip, so we can monitor the amount of ink in the pen.
I hate that idea, but nothing against you. I just love the classic pens.
Love you Peter 😊
Gorgeous drawing!!!
Have you used a R2 rollerball black ink pen? It's a pen that I got at Dollar tree and the ink was perfectly black instead of a dark grey or blue and the ink flowed so well, like a sparkling water spring. I haven't been seeing them at any Dollar tree near me lately. I hope they aren't taking them off the shelves permanently. The ink is great, it's 2 per pack at $1.25 at Dollar tree, and it has great ink flow. It's my favorite pen. No other pen I've used fills in large areas anything like the .7mm R2 rollerball black ink pen.
There is something interesting about taking the simplest, most discardable objects, and making nice versions of them. Like making a glass version of plastic utensils, or high end metal mcdonald's toys. Anyway, I'd wager that the additional processing, heat, and shipping required for this pen make it far more impactful to the environment than a grip of boxes of regular Cristal pens, and it arguable that having zinc alloys (what I am guessing this is made of) leaching into the ground and water is worse than plastic. But for me, that just adds to my artistic appreciation of its absurdity.
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Bic had an ad here in Europe ages ago which said: Bic Cristal; world's most chewed pen. Now you know why people don't want a refill but a whole new pen.
You make a good point, Peter. Now, I am looking at all my various pens and wondering if they can be refilled.
Bic does have an eco-branded cheap product in their "Ecolutions Clik Stic" line. But when it came about that I wanted some classic paste ink ballpoint action, the other day, I picked up regular Cristals, both in black and colors, not that other stuff. The thing is, the refills last so long, most people lose or break them before they finish the refill...thus the metal pen enters as the "special" one that won't break. Except for the cap. But the cap is the same as the regular Cristal cap. So for the Bic collectors likely to get this, they have everything covered, because if you're just dipping into your collection for the refills, of course you have extra caps.
Everything about Bic is absurdly cost-reduced, to the point that when you get the colors, it does not guarantee that you get an equal assortment of all the colors, but you get so many pens that it doesn't matter. The pens are basically individually wrapped candies, and I'm sure they've been optimized around transport costs too. It might well be the case that on any specific measure other than "quantity of leftover plastic" they have already worked out the option that gives you more pen with less energy and resource consumption.
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I totally agree Peter. On all fronts.
The casing on my Bic pens always break so I'm not sure the idea would work with plastic Bics. In fact they always break before the ink is used and my pens were always scotch taped
I get that problem as well and have to tape it up close to the nib. Because when I start a pen I have to finish it. Unless I get given a partially used one then I have to finish that first.
LOVE the hat!!!😻
It's more sense to buy the normal plastic pens. I love your doodles, Drawing.
nice 'etching' pun during square space section haha
Right on, Peter! 💚
Your point makes the most sense. 😊
Love the hat!
The metal ones are the way to go. I’ve had so many bics break. You are right about replacing the ink but the plastic barrels feel disposable and most end up in landfill or the ocean. How much of that plastic is going to end up going through someone or something’s digestive tract? To me it’s a step in the right direction
Seems like they had a great idea but couldn't be arsed to see it through.
You can buy the refills, Peter just missed them somehow.
Thanks, Peter
Its about putting less plastic in the ground to degrade since it's said that it takes a 1,000 yesrs for plastic to degrade.
nice! im happy i saw this video today, 💮
Call me old fashioned, but I think the best refillable writing instruments are fountain pens and mechanical pencils. I mean, for a pen, all you should need is ink. And for a pencil, all you should need is graphite. When you think about it, anything more is waste. So, when it comes to pens with replaceable cartridges, I don't think of them as refillable so much as reusable. :) Of course, I may be splitting hairs. :)
love your stuff 👍
I really like this piece
It very well may be a performative gesture of a pen, but you made a remarkable drawing with it. Was it the set and setting or was it the pen?
1. How do you like drawing with a BiC?
2. For a while at least two competitors for some years have made metal bodies in which to put a BiC refill. One was $20, one was $40. I'm pretty sure at least one has gone under. They seemed to imply you should buy a BiC Cristal and pull out the refill and shove it in the metal. Not for any eco reasons, but rather to have a sturdier, nicer pen body.
Though not the bic refills your asking for, g2 pens hav refills available in a couple of big name office supply stores, so that’s a start
it seems like the re'news can use the same refills as any non click retracting bic. Now I'm not seeing BiC expressly saying this anywhere, but the measurements on the whitepaper registration seems to fit just fine. Uhhhh I think it's their "B3 standard" refill. Potentially that means being able to find wild color options.
i agree! they should have just worked on their packaging and making it easier to refill the plastic pens. cutting production by only adding 2-3 pens in a pack, adding refills, and then selling the refills in store. making everything out of recyclable waste in the most sustainable ways or we could just do converters and our own ink.
I can completely understand your argument -- and it's disappointing they do not seem to readily offer the refills for these. I grew attached to the older Stainless Steel Sharpie, and after my first refill died, I couldn't find a replacement refill for it anywhere. It seemed to be totally discontinued, and became a stainless steel paper weight. At least with this one you could technically buy another plastic one to harvest the refill, but that seems to defeat their intended purpose. Very strange.
I remember using BIC pens as a kid. I used to bite on them and the barrel would crack before the ink runs out. 😂
Honesty is always best....love that about you. Tell us what you feel it helps us out...
Yahooey Louey! Hi Peter!
I’ve been using the metal pen. I like it but the grip hurts lol. I got it on sale from my school’s bookstore.
Thanks❤️
I like it, I think it's cool
Great to see your making content, I freakin' love this channel!!!
By the way, not to pry...
But how goes the battle with your anxiety and stuff?
Hope this comment finds you happy and healthy!
You can definitely get the refills, at least here in Europe. Are they a new product in the USA? Maybe speak to wherever you bought the pen from?
This is one of those items I'm tempted to buy just because I think it's going to flop in the market and someday somebody will be saying "Remember that metal BIC pen?" Chalk it up to fear of missing out on which I feel probably will not be a market-saturating pen that could inadvertently become something of a collector's item for a very small niche collector.
I think most plastic pens/pencils don’t get much for refills/come in sets of a lot is cause most people don’t have a pen till it is needed to be refilled.
People are verry shocked when they see how short some of my pencils are, and even more shocked when I had to buy refills for one of my favorite pens. (Not even a fancy pen just a regular pilot p2 jell pen)
I make a full copper version. With a copper cap, which takes the inserts, but it's more than 12 bucks.
I agree, the people that made this missed reality.
The metal pen should of come with the 24 refills. Same as the plastic pack at least.
❤ you Peter
Best is using fountain pens. Refilled with ink bottles, minimum waste, especially if the bottle is made of glass.
Some may like the extra weight and sturdiness of the metal ballpoint.
In Canada you can get the metal one for $5 still pricey compared to the plastic ones but a lot cheaper than other places
i have a very similar hat.. loove that hat!! ye boy!
Interesting episode ❗💯🔥👍
I like BIC Cristal because you can see how much ink left. So, it would be logical to sell one BIC Cristal pen with 10 refills and also sell refills separately. Metal Bic Cristal is really strange (and it's not transparent, like Cristal should be, maybe some holes to see ink would've helped) and not needed and is not sold in the USA. Also, BIC Cristal has a competition now PaperMate Inkjoy are also transparent pens - refills not transparent though.
Totally with you Peter, 100%. Understand it completely. I feel the same way about Cascade dishwasher detergent. They have ads telling people to run their dishwasher everyday, no matter how few dishes are in it, because it saves water. You do however have to use the same dishwasher tablet to wash 4 plates as you would to wash a full dishwasher. Cascade is solely trying to sell more of their product, CANCEL Cascade. Whew, I have to calm down HA
I mean yes. But also using the dishwasher literally only uses like 2 gallons of water. Running your tap for like 10 minutes is MUCH MUCH MUCH more water than 2 gallons.
they made it to jump on the "sustainable" train. i wish they made a premium version of this body in polished SS, or brass... like the direction of the Monami 153. And made it cheaper.
I want the 1.6 mm as a refill for writing.
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This is the normal version of it of it of it of it of it of it of it of it of it of it
As I'm not able to draw and also have no imagination - I have to ask what does your drawing represent or portray?
Me regretting buying the metal one when I forget and chew it like the OG ones
you are Peter Draws. Congratulations!
What is your drawing of. Is just random doodles?
Yoo Peter!!
$12. Wah. Isn't the metal Pilot G2 the same price? I love that thing. Not sure how I feel about this though. Kinda seems like a disposable pen itself which defeats the purpose
Beyond the two that come in the pack, you’re stuck scavenging refills. I was gonna buy one until I found that issue.
Those bic pens are my favorite pens. Nothing compares to them.
I agree with your criticism of this pen. Wouldn't buy it.
But one thing, bic claims it uses standard B3 refills, it should be possible to purchase those...
It is!
I agree that you don't need a lot of the stuff the metal pen is pushing. But do you need 24 plastic pens if they're refillable? Btw, in the Netherlands, you can get a pack of 50 refills for €10
Well they want you to buy the box of regular ones for the ink refills and throw out the body makes a lot of sense
Maybe the metal pen doubles adds a straw or to poke a hole into someone's neck as a makeshift trachiotomy
They could have made a fountain pen with cartridges or made a way to refill a fountain pen that isn’t messy.