on the otherside you don't want the toys to reveal spoilers before the movie comes out, like the Batman Mask of the Phantasm figure did. It unmasked the villian on the bubble for the whole world to know who the phantasm was
Did… did anyone not know Rey was the main character from the very first teaser? I mean, she was completely coded as the ‘Luke Skywalker’ character from both costume and setting right from the get-go, she occupies the focal point of the poster. Her picking up the lightsaber was the least surprising part of the whole movie when it finally happened given the build up throughout the story.
I disagree very strongly. These movies are movies first, the merchandise comes second. If the merchandise spoils a twist or surprise in the movie, it should absolutely be held back from the first run of merchandise. I remember how the big twist of Padme/Amidala's identity was spoiled by a 12 inch figure for The Phantom Menace. The real problem here is that the toy companies can't be trusted to prevent leaks and keep these secrets to themselves.
Since the merchandise is based off of the movie, and the companies have a pretty good idea-- if not the exact date-- when the movie hits theaters, just schedule the release of the merchandise for a week after opening weekend. Doesn't seem too difficult.
I did, as did every kid I knew, back in the day, especially for properties that were already established. I had no idea who Darth Maul was when Episode 1 toys hit stores but I knew he looked cool enough to buy first.
This same thing happened with the third Transformers film, Dark of the Moon, in 2011. Several action figures were held back until the final waves of the toyline. They included a new version of Soundwave, done preserve a twist in the film where he'd been hiding in plain sight for most of the story in his new altmode. These tail-enders also included a bunch of the film's brand new characters in general (Que and Leadfoot), for whatever reason. What wound up happening was the first few waves of product were filled with a combination of Optimuses and Bumblebees (which everyone already had), characters who only had minor roles in the film (like Ratchet), and characters that weren't in the movie at all (Jolt, the Twins). And then, those first few waves shelfwarmed so hard, that the later waves containing all the more sought-after figures wound up cancelled outright in the West (some stuff still made it out in Asia), so almost no one got to own those figures anyway. Funny enough, despite the toyline secrecy, another major plot twist from the film (a certain character turns evil) got leaked anyway, after preview pages from the comic book adaptation went out early via Amazon.
The reason the actress who was playing Cara Dune, was like going because of the stuff she was posting on Twitter lucasflim just decided not to renew her contract plain and simple.
Hold backs are like when an author writes an incomplete synopsis for an agent or publisher. This isn’t a “fan” who cares about spoilers. They are bus bees entities who need the information for marketing purposes.
I remember the Dick Tracy movie toys .the card back showed all the figures but no one never could find The Blank anywhere except later on it was found up in Canada.apparently the figure wasn't released with the other figures while the film was new was because the figure's mask comes off to reveal The Blank was Breatkless Mahoney and they didn't want to spoil the surprise .a case of the toy actually ruining a movie's surprise was how when Batman Mask of the Phantasm released the Phantasm figure they had the figure not wearing the mask to hide who it was .
I could be wrong, but I thought the Phantasm figure was released after the movie. At the very least, I didn't personally see it until sometime in '94 after the film's '93 release. I remember thinking "they finally got around to making figures for that movie". Of course, it may just be those toys didn't hit my area until months later.
The previous Spider-Men coming back was the worst kept secret since the resurrection of Jon Snow. It was all over TH-cam long before the movie’s release.
This happened a lot with the transformers movies. Figures and waves were never released in the US because the movie hype died and stores weren't interested in the product.
The domestic box office is still the most important for a studio. The studio gets about 1/2 the sales of the domestic gross while they get less then that in most other foreign countries esp. china. And remember for most movies it is nearly a 50/50 split between foreign and domestic- that means the US, a single country, spends more, almost as much or a little less on going to the movies then all the other countries combined.
The figures and show or movie coming out at the same time would be best. I saw all the figures for the acolyte up for preorder but didn’t do that since I feel no connection to any of them.
Oh Dear God! So much wrong here Scott. Disney bought Lucasfilms and Star Wars specifically because they were weak in Boy Brands. They were making bank with Princess crap, but were not reaching the lucrative Boys Market in movies or merchandise. So they bought Star Wars and Marvel to fill that needed niche. This is how they sold it to the Shareholders. This was the purpose. That they then attempted to flip these into Girls brands destroying the decades of baked in brand loyalty amongst the desired consumers that they had bought the properties to get is just a sign as to how badly Disney is managed these days. Expanding Star Wars to girls was never the goal of mandate. Expanding Disney to Boys was what it was all about. And China is not and never will be the largest share of the box office. Because Studios are lucky if they get 10 cents on the dollar out of the Chinese Box office. The Chinese Box Office is a nice to have for some extra bucks, assuming your movie gets paid for out of the Domestic and European Box Offices. Which give the studios a better than 50/50 split of the till. No Western Movie has ever found its point of profit in China, save perhaps the Transformers franchise. And even that dried up fast.
The studio can tell the toy companies that so and so will appear so have the toys ready to go a month after the movie premiers…but I suppose that would be hard for the company to hold back that information. I am glad the newest Spider-Man wasn’t ruined for me even though we all had a hunch the past Spider-Man’s would appear
If you go back to 1986 during the height of transformers, if you pay attention, they pretty much spoil the 86 animated with they toy comericals for the main characters of the movies.
The oppsite can happen that the Toys have things that are not in the Movie like all the Ghost Toys in the Ghost Buster Afterline Line was not in the movie at all another was was the Trendmaster Indepenence Day line Neartly all of it was just the Aliens who was barely in like 5 mins of the Actual movie.
Btw, I'm starting to worry that Rey is far more popular (and by extension, the crappola that's gna slide out of Acolytes) than we may be giving her credit. I was at a couple May4th/Sith events and one nearly got rained out. Only the hardcorest of the hard-core stayed for the costume contest and it was primarily girls dressed as Rey and a handful of other tertiary or just flat-out made-up Jedi. Next event had me noticing even more girls and even more Reys than I normally would have I think. Disney's master plan worked and SW will never be the same. •que "Lonely Teardrops•
Disney screwed up trying to make boy brands for girls and they have not learned from their mistakes now they want to take the feminine out of the girl brands and kill characters like Tinkerbell... I sure hope Disney fails and I for one have quit on Star Wars and Marvel will not watch their content anymore because they destroyed the brand.
on the otherside you don't want the toys to reveal spoilers before the movie comes out, like the Batman Mask of the Phantasm figure did. It unmasked the villian on the bubble for the whole world to know who the phantasm was
Did… did anyone not know Rey was the main character from the very first teaser? I mean, she was completely coded as the ‘Luke Skywalker’ character from both costume and setting right from the get-go, she occupies the focal point of the poster. Her picking up the lightsaber was the least surprising part of the whole movie when it finally happened given the build up throughout the story.
I disagree very strongly. These movies are movies first, the merchandise comes second. If the merchandise spoils a twist or surprise in the movie, it should absolutely be held back from the first run of merchandise. I remember how the big twist of Padme/Amidala's identity was spoiled by a 12 inch figure for The Phantom Menace. The real problem here is that the toy companies can't be trusted to prevent leaks and keep these secrets to themselves.
At least with Baby Yoda, they were able to run a hype train for upcoming merchandise.
Since the merchandise is based off of the movie, and the companies have a pretty good idea-- if not the exact date-- when the movie hits theaters, just schedule the release of the merchandise for a week after opening weekend. Doesn't seem too difficult.
That doesn't really work in the modern era. The toys need to be out first to both help create and to ride the hype train.
@@Tim85-y2q So you buy the toy before seeing a movie? Do you think most toy consumers, i.e. kids, follow that pattern?
I did, as did every kid I knew, back in the day, especially for properties that were already established.
I had no idea who Darth Maul was when Episode 1 toys hit stores but I knew he looked cool enough to buy first.
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This same thing happened with the third Transformers film, Dark of the Moon, in 2011. Several action figures were held back until the final waves of the toyline. They included a new version of Soundwave, done preserve a twist in the film where he'd been hiding in plain sight for most of the story in his new altmode. These tail-enders also included a bunch of the film's brand new characters in general (Que and Leadfoot), for whatever reason. What wound up happening was the first few waves of product were filled with a combination of Optimuses and Bumblebees (which everyone already had), characters who only had minor roles in the film (like Ratchet), and characters that weren't in the movie at all (Jolt, the Twins). And then, those first few waves shelfwarmed so hard, that the later waves containing all the more sought-after figures wound up cancelled outright in the West (some stuff still made it out in Asia), so almost no one got to own those figures anyway.
Funny enough, despite the toyline secrecy, another major plot twist from the film (a certain character turns evil) got leaked anyway, after preview pages from the comic book adaptation went out early via Amazon.
The reason the actress who was playing Cara Dune, was like going because of the stuff she was posting on Twitter lucasflim just decided not to renew her contract plain and simple.
Hold backs are like when an author writes an incomplete synopsis for an agent or publisher. This isn’t a “fan” who cares about spoilers. They are bus bees entities who need the information for marketing purposes.
I remember the Dick Tracy movie toys .the card back showed all the figures but no one never could find The Blank anywhere except later on it was found up in Canada.apparently the figure wasn't released with the other figures while the film was new was because the figure's mask comes off to reveal The Blank was Breatkless Mahoney and they didn't want to spoil the surprise .a case of the toy actually ruining a movie's surprise was how when Batman Mask of the Phantasm released the Phantasm figure they had the figure not wearing the mask to hide who it was .
I could be wrong, but I thought the Phantasm figure was released after the movie. At the very least, I didn't personally see it until sometime in '94 after the film's '93 release. I remember thinking "they finally got around to making figures for that movie". Of course, it may just be those toys didn't hit my area until months later.
Yeah, I could never find The Blank anywhere. And still to this day, I've never seen one in person.
The previous Spider-Men coming back was the worst kept secret since the resurrection of Jon Snow. It was all over TH-cam long before the movie’s release.
Scott is a worm. Spread the word.
Good vid. Thanks and sorry for your troubles over the past few months. I'll do my best to support you via views/shares/comments.
Considering the most of the figure toy market was created on the back of Star Wars and how they released their figures I’d say so.
This happened a lot with the transformers movies. Figures and waves were never released in the US because the movie hype died and stores weren't interested in the product.
The domestic box office is still the most important for a studio. The studio gets about 1/2 the sales of the domestic gross while they get less then that in most other foreign countries esp. china. And remember for most movies it is nearly a 50/50 split between foreign and domestic- that means the US, a single country, spends more, almost as much or a little less on going to the movies then all the other countries combined.
I like when they hold off a little bit for the sake of surprises in the theater, but companies waited WAY too long for No Way Home merchandise
Your making me think of the Dick Tracy --- The Blank action figure.
The figures and show or movie coming out at the same time would be best. I saw all the figures for the acolyte up for preorder but didn’t do that since I feel no connection to any of them.
MOTU Origins still on toy shelves, with new figures update???
I don't think they sued fans, they just threatened to. Which was misguided.
Oh Dear God! So much wrong here Scott. Disney bought Lucasfilms and Star Wars specifically because they were weak in Boy Brands. They were making bank with Princess crap, but were not reaching the lucrative Boys Market in movies or merchandise. So they bought Star Wars and Marvel to fill that needed niche. This is how they sold it to the Shareholders. This was the purpose. That they then attempted to flip these into Girls brands destroying the decades of baked in brand loyalty amongst the desired consumers that they had bought the properties to get is just a sign as to how badly Disney is managed these days. Expanding Star Wars to girls was never the goal of mandate. Expanding Disney to Boys was what it was all about. And China is not and never will be the largest share of the box office. Because Studios are lucky if they get 10 cents on the dollar out of the Chinese Box office. The Chinese Box Office is a nice to have for some extra bucks, assuming your movie gets paid for out of the Domestic and European Box Offices. Which give the studios a better than 50/50 split of the till. No Western Movie has ever found its point of profit in China, save perhaps the Transformers franchise. And even that dried up fast.
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It's now for girls Disney is anti masculinity LGBT woke
The studio can tell the toy companies that so and so will appear so have the toys ready to go a month after the movie premiers…but I suppose that would be hard for the company to hold back that information. I am glad the newest Spider-Man wasn’t ruined for me even though we all had a hunch the past Spider-Man’s would appear
If you go back to 1986 during the height of transformers, if you pay attention, they pretty much spoil the 86 animated with they toy comericals for the main characters of the movies.
The oppsite can happen that the Toys have things that are not in the Movie like all the Ghost Toys in the Ghost Buster Afterline Line was not in the movie at all another was was the Trendmaster Indepenence Day line Neartly all of it was just the Aliens who was barely in like 5 mins of the Actual movie.
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Thank you for making this
Nah, Rey is lame - knowing she would become a Jedi wouldn't have changed that.
Btw, I'm starting to worry that Rey is far more popular (and by extension, the crappola that's gna slide out of Acolytes) than we may be giving her credit. I was at a couple May4th/Sith events and one nearly got rained out. Only the hardcorest of the hard-core stayed for the costume contest and it was primarily girls dressed as Rey and a handful of other tertiary or just flat-out made-up Jedi. Next event had me noticing even more girls and even more Reys than I normally would have I think. Disney's master plan worked and SW will never be the same. •que "Lonely Teardrops•
Disney screwed up trying to make boy brands for girls and they have not learned from their mistakes now they want to take the feminine out of the girl brands and kill characters like Tinkerbell... I sure hope Disney fails and I for one have quit on Star Wars and Marvel will not watch their content anymore because they destroyed the brand.
Well not too many girls and women are into Star Wars, most of them are into anime.
Not even in anime.
@@alexherrera9305 Well how come some of them go with to comic cons with strange hair colors ?