How to rid bees of mites fast easy cheap 100% mite kill please share this
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- Everyone please pass this video on to as many beekeepers as possible , this is the best thing ever for killing mites that you will ever find , and it is safe for your bees. it's 100% safe for you as well as long as you wear your respirator. We recommend 3 treatments 1 week apart for 3 weeks, this will completely break the mite cycle. Each treatment only kills mites that are exposed, meaning some will be concealed in the capped brood, by doing 3 consecutive treatments you will kill those that are sealed off the 2nd, and 3rd treatment. Please share this video this will help a lot of people save their bees. We are here to help the new beekeeper and Advance beekeeper as well .WE make these videos in order to help the bee population .The more beekeepers we have, and the more educated people are about bees, will result in a higher bee population in this country. Please like And subscribe to our TH-cam channel Barnyard bees.
100 ml grain or ethyl alcohol
25 grams oxalic acid
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I'm really impressed at your attention to the new bee keeper. I have no interest in bee keeping but you do make it an interesting, compelling watch and I have learned a lot over the past few days watching safely from my keyboard.
Thanks Barnyard Bees, for sharing the excellent content.
I am a beginner backyard beekeeper this year and there are so many things to learn. I follow your vids, are very informative. I just bought a fogger, oxalic acid, grain alcohol and mason jars (regular mouth) and tried out last Sunday. I am still learn to work with the fogger properly. Thank you so much.
James Huynh there are a lot of things to remember, being new, I can only imagine the confusion on things to do, and how to do them.
Just wanted to say thank you for all that you are doing for the beekeeping community. I really appreciate the hard work and the advice; especially when it will end up saving me a lot of money and garner the high success levels that are necessary in the mite game. I've watched a lot of your bee videos and I always learn something else new from them. You guys are doing so much good in this realm! Keep going. You have certainly earned my subscription. I wish I could subscribe more than once to this channel!!!
so does this work?
Hi David, love your channel. I'm a 3rd year beekeeper here in Ohio and go to your videos a lot for advice. I tried OA treatment with Burgess fogger this year, as i have only used apivar strips . Burgess changed design here in 2020, i tried your recipe of 100ml alcohol and 25 g of OA but since plastic container was bigger it wouldn't draw it up... my solution that worked was, i got small glass jelly/ mason jar that screwed in correct, but had to mix a double batch(200 ml alcohol and 50 g of OA ) for it to fog correctly.Just wanted to to pass it along to your viewers to help save some aggravation. Thank you sir
Does this still work for you?
I used a Burgess fogger as per your recommendations....back in 2017. Got two uses from it and the fog did do a great job killing mites. However the plastic parts in the machine were destroyed by the OA. They absolutely fell apart when touched. I did wash it thoroughly after using and put it away dry. I finally went to a pro vap machine. Expensive, but worth saving hives that are worth the price of the vaporizer.
David thank you for your quick and helpful answer as always!
Ordered all my stuff today! Thank you !
Your videos are great, they've really helped me so far on my first season and I'll definitely be buying my bees from you next season.
Can’t thank you enough for all you do-no words can express my appreciation.
did this work for you?
I have been using the battery power units you load up a tray and stick in the bottom of hive for two years now. The bees have been doing great but takes over hour to treat 25 hives in one yard. I am going to order one of these set ups and start using it next month. Thanks for sharing the video.
Great vmessage. Oxalic acid is a great treatment method whether vaporized or fogged. Folks need to remember that oxalic acid doesn't penetrate capped brood. So any mites closed up with the larva will reproduce and come out with the hatching bee. Therefore, 3 treatments are required 5-7 days apart. Last year I almost lost my first hive to deformed wing virus caused by the mites. I did oxalic acid and they recovered and made it through winter very strong. No problems this year with scheduled treatments.
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So what about my uncapped honey, if this stuff is so dangerous then it must be soaking in the honey. I eat that honey!
BBQ Train oxalic acid is a natural chemical in many plants and present in many foods naturally like spinach....
OA should not be used with honey on the hive if its going to be harvested.
BBQTrain
There is Oxalic Acid in honey, with or without treatment. You've eaten more oxalic acid than you may bee aware of.
Thanks for the video, nobody seems to have tested dosage per pump to the hive. I measured 7 times 10 pumps and it turns out that mine (burgess like in video) delivers 0.31 gram of OA per pump. To deliver 1 gram per 10 frame deep box you need 3 pumps. For a double deep it would be 6 pumps (or 7 pumps to get 2.15 gram OA). Hope this helps.
Thank you for this info David. I am a new beekeeper and I am loving it, but one thing that has intimidated me even after a decent amount of research was Varroa treatment. This is exactly what I have been looking for. I really needed a schedule for treatment as well (thanks again). This video also prompted me to research if Oxalic treatment could/should be done with honey supers on (not that I don't believe you, I just want to see the science myself). I found a number of scientific studies showing that there was pretty much no Oxalic added (honey naturally has Oxalic in it) while supers were present. Also, MANY vegetables we eat every day have decent amount of Oxalic acid in them naturally.
EDIT: Please keep the videos coming, so much good info here on youtube from you and a number of others. I'm just consuming all of your experiences :D
did it work?
Amazing that it only kills the mites and not the bees. Really good video!
David, I appreciate your swift comment returns. My 2nd Question is have you herdof any built up resistance with either oxalic acid or mineral oil treatments?
Thank you ❤️. I seen this. Works great. My first year as a bees keep
Thanks David , good video!! I have a tip for you . You may already know this but I will tell you anyway. Harbor Freight sells an adapter that enables you to refil those gas bottles from a larger grill bottle ... keep the good videos coming !! Thanks again ....
You can buy the refill adapters on ebay or Amazon, too.
Wow David do you ever sleep? I appreciate a quick response but with the hour difference and responding back literally in minutes no wonder you are so successful in your work. Again thank you so much that alone solves a big question for us. “Your the Man again”!!!
Go to sleep...
Hey David, as always thank you for the great videos! Im a little confused about your recipe and have one question: How do you set your scale to measure the alcohol in milliliters when milliliters is a volume measure? Does your scale know how much 100 ml of grain alcohol weighs? Thanks again for your videos. I'm learning a ton from you!
go to liquor store and ask a 1/2 pint of PGA...200 ml bottle is what they will give you
I believe the scale assumes 1g/ml, you should be able to convert to recipe straight across to grams. Good luck!
The scale assumes you are measuring water, so "100 ml" on the scale is really 127 ml of the alcohol. Should help others duplicate the results if they measure the alcohol by volume.
Bob Sell
Good catch. I'm glad you asked that question, I wanted to ask the same question 😎
How do you know you are getting 100% kill of mites?
So it's been a year, and you've had a chance now to produce long-term results. Do you have any stats of before/after results? What well did this perform to keep your numbers into check? Where there any hive losses? Any gotcha's or bugs you had to iron out?
Why use alcohol? Would sugar syrup work?
@@douglaswolfgang9698 Alcohol evaporates quicker than anything else. you COULD use sugar syrup if you want to attract bees, but in terms of bee safety the acid is okay and the alcohol will leave a lower impact on your hive just since it goes away quicker.
Also it is a better solvent than water
Awesome and very informative video! I am actually getting started with beekeeping and am currently located in Medellin, Colombia. Quick question...do I treat my honey supers as well?
When you said "You can pour out a little bit", I expected to hear a little "sluuurp!". :)
But seriously, that looks like it would kill a LOT of bees!
Hi David I am looking for the connection size for the propane as I am struggling to find the cylinders in the uk. any ideas
David, I caught a large swarm and put them in a 10 frame hive. Is it advisable to use oxcilic as treatment before the hive get going?
Thanks again for a great video and the on going help provided. One question to a beginner please, is the honey in the hive after a treatment still ok for consumption? If not do the bees in a hive still feed on their honey during the dearth or only storing for winter use? Naive question I'm sure but oh well. Last question I bought a few of your rapid feeders and have experienced the bees getting under the cup and dying in the feeder? It is a great way to feed sugar water! Thanks again for all your time!
Thanks so much for your videos. I am very interested in trying this method of mite control. Most of my hives have a pretty robust mite issue that did not appear to be an issue in September--so I am compelled to try something in order to get through the winter. My only concern is that I typically leave a medium super of honey on hives. Are you aware of the known effect on honey or on empty comb if left in the hive? Most of the honey is capped.
Hello David always appreciate all your videos. Am using your rapid feeders now. One question please about the oxalis acid treatment. Can you do it in the winter (now) if temperatures are 60 degrees and above. We live in California where there is no snow or no extreme freezing temperatures. Would like to treat now if possible.
Thanks again
Thanks for all the great videos David. I will be getting 2 nuc's 4/14 they supplier does not treat. I will of course and will be monitoring mite count with sugar shake. what would you recommend as the best way to start MAQS was what I planned after the colonies had settled in. I live zone 9a so temps will be perfect. if you agree how long after the Nuc's are installed would you say to wait to use the strips? thanks gain
When ever one uses a Respirator you need to be careful you are using the correct filters for what you want to filter out. Not all filters work for everything or anything. Some filters allow what you are trying to keep out through the filter and trap it in the mask making the bad chemical concentrated in the mask. So make sure you are using the correct filters. Just some good info to share.
@OBAMFSpike can't be that intelligent, forgot to list which filters specifically are the ones you want to use. thanks for Half a thing!
These cartridges (yellow band) that come with the 3M respirators are typically general use and rated for most things including a particulate filter, organic vapors, and acid gasses. Some particular chemicals like formaldehyde and mercury vapors need a specific filter though.
Well done, keep um comin!
love your videos please keep them coming they are great
If you use 2 or 3 hits per nuc, how many on a double brood box hive? Thank you.
A side note, your nucs have filled out a 10 frame brood box and half way on second boxes. Full of bees and all stages of eggs and brood in 5 weeks. Doing fantastic! Thank you.
Instead of the alcohol I used vegetable glycerin and mineral oil because sometimes the alcohol will combust when really hot. I use 75 ml of veg glycerin and 25ml mineral oil with 25g of oxalic acid like you happy beekeeping 👍
Nice video. Thanks for sharing. How would you do this treatment when in the honey flowing season?
got it coming and thankyou for this vido you do a wonderful job
Hi David, i'm a newbie to honey bee keeping, I lost several hives in the severe 2017 December freeze. I love the videos, i started fogging last spring with the mineral oil, but i still have some mites, my question is, " do you have to use the 190 alcohol with the acid or could it be added to water or even heated mineral oil" and "can i use this method on a regular basis through out the year"? .
Super vid David! My question to you is if I'm treating with mineral oil and wintergreenoil, how often can I my hives ?
Have you continued this method with fogger and continued to have success?
Hi david vince in northern illinois, how soon can i start this in the spring ? and can i just do it once a month all summer ? and then once a week for a month in the fall , i talked to you a month ago on joes bee chat about my hive dying im thinking the mites might of had something to do with it, please let me know thanks
vince.
Nice will try this tonight! thanks
How many puffs would you recommend for singles and deeps? Thanks so much for sharing!
Have you checked the resulting fog temperature to make certain it is not too hot i.e. too hot and it will break down oxalic acid into formic acid and carbon monoxide ( NO)? Have you done alcohol wash to check effectiveness?
PLEASE LET ME KNOW. Thanks, mike
How could you measure that??
I've also seen you can mix the acid in distilled water instead of alcohol, what is your thought about that
David hello, another beginner question please. In California 190 proof Everclear is illegal and there is a few places that have a bottle of 150 proof Everclear still left on the shelf. Will the 150 proof still work or be as effective? Maybe a simple question but just want to make sure not to make any mistakes. (Any more mistakes!) Again thank you for your time and help with all that are trying to get started in the bee business.
Best Regards
will this work if you reduce the recipe in like a quarter the amount you used.
Hi, thanks for the video and being so clear with the instructions. I just ordered by Burgess fogger from Walmart. Should I be using Everclear grain alcohol? I tried a local farm supply store for the grain alcohol but they didn't have it nor did they have the oxalic acid crystals. I can get this Everclear at the liquor store and I'll have to order the crystals. Is the grain alcohol Everclear 190 proof? My laptop is old and the speakers are fuzzy.
Steve - Can you do fogging treatments at his time of year, or should wait til spring?
To clean the fogger run some water mixed with baking soda when u are done.
What temperature outside do you suggest you treat at? I assume during winter, it can stay pretty cold. Is it OK to treat when it is 45* outside?
Oxalic acid decarboxylase above 189°C so you don't use oxalic acid vapour, just formic acid vapour. This method don't kill more than 60% of varroa mite.
Do the pads work?
There is over 3/4 of alcohol in the mix. He does not heat up oxalic acid, he vaporizes the mix and that steam does not reach 189 C. Stop telling nonsense.
Thank you sir. What scale would say is best? Doug in Denver
You guys doing bit hard work then us I leaving carins QLD Australia far north tropical we haven't this problem finger cross it stay safe hear. Tks for really good information
David, Thanks for the tip on the fogger. Is there a chance to burn the bees, maybe the queen? I read in another blog that the treatment in the fall is 3 puffs once a week for three consecutive weeks in the fall, and then again in the summer. In your opinion, is it necessary in the spring to do this as the bees are recovering their numbers after the winter?
Thanks for sharing this!!!!!!
Is there a purging process that should be done when you're finished treating?
Nice and quick!! Thanks
I just got this whole set up but Im in Japan. I had top get a special adaptor so I could attach the propane tank. Im having a little problem getting the fogger to stay lit. But the treatment was fast. I treated 12 hives in about an hour and that included mixing the oxalic acid and taking off the hornet traps. We have giant Japanese hornets here. They are a nightmare.
I have 8 hives, all 10 frame deep Langs, with 2 supers per hive, in addition to any honey supers. How long should I wait before putting my honey supers back on the hives after treating them? 10 minutes, an hour, a day? I'm going to use distilled water, instead of Everclear. Is the ratio of distilled water to OA the same?
Will it harm my bees if I continue treating once a week until they go into cluster for winter? Or is it not necessary, after the 3 consecutive OA fogging?
Have you noticed if this has any effect on SHB? Wouldn't it be great if it killed them too!?
This looks like a great treatment program, and I'm anxious to see how it works. Thanks for sharing!!
ubiewan
Do it after you have removed the honey supers for the year.
Very informative/ helpful
Hello, I have that kind of fogger since last season and I use oxalic acid and glicerin (liquit) , it is true, it is a very cheap and quick method and bees looks ok after treatment but With "my mites" (I live in Chile South America ) I had to increase much more the dosis (800 g O. A. / litre glycerin) to kill mites in a good rate. I'd like to see an alcohol wash test before and after treatment.
My concern is also the effect on very young bee larve.
Anyway, good video
Keep posting
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I like the idea of glycerin. It would smoke well
Hola Felipe. tengo ese sublimador, traté con 100 ml de alcohol al 95% y 25 gramos de acido oxalico, aveces se incendiaba en la piquera cuando la acercas demasiado, además de que no sublima bien, no sale bien sublimado. quiero verificar con oxalico y glicerina, estuve buscando las proporciones de la mezcla y eres la única persona que lo ha descrito. te agradecería si me envias el link de alguna pagina donde se pueden ver las proporciones de las mezclas además de tus conocimientos.
Very good video. I would like to ask with the use of oxalic bush over once can there be a problem with the bride of the queen? The use of alcohol can cause somebody to get upset with fire?
Hey Thank You for sharing this with us all..
I also found the black flag unit you were talking about on Amazon. I guess the two biggest differences would be the click starter like on a grill and you pour your fluid into the machine not using a jar. I am going to purchase one of those foggers. I'm leaning toward the one in your video because the jar would give me the ability to use different types of chemicals.
Hello, I have enjoyed watching your videos. My question is can you treat mineral Oil this way with honey suppers on? Is there a mite treatment that can be used with honey on?
Hey David do you do this in the fall only ? when do you start ? I know you said
A year later using this fogger, If I’m treating 75 hives, I put 150grams of OA,150grams of ever clear, and 75grams of food grade glycerin in an old pickle jar and heat on stove in a frying pan of water stirring until clears up. Have fogger on lowest setting to just keep flame on and pump trigger until smoke,then count 2 strong puffs on 5 frame nucs, and 5 on double 8 frame boxes. Makes it closer to the recommended 2grams per hive. Don’t count a puff until you see smoke. You must rinse the gun and cycle a jar of water thru the gun after use with flame on until you don’t see smoke or you use 1/2 a jar of water. do wear rubber gloves because jar will leak on you. Still a good kill.😉
Dave, how long have you been using this method? What kind of before/after mite measurements are you seeing (even if just observation/intuition)?
What do you do with the leftover mixture?? Does it separate during if you store the leftover mixture??
Anyone using this method? Never seen it before and I like it!
David how many treatments to you give for spring ,dearth and fall
David, is this still the best and most effective method to treat for mites? There some talk about this is not effective and that it can explode. Are there any reports that you know of about “explosions” from using alcohol? I haven’t. Also, some say it’s not as effective as a vaporizer. What’s your experience since you have been using this for some time now? Thanks.
No reply. Did he blow up?!
So, no need to seal the hive like you would when doing vaporization?
How long can you save whats left in the bottle for the next use? As I would never use that much on all my hives. Thanks
A good respirator is important.
The right filter is what's critical. Wrong filter = useless equipment.
NIOSH and OSHA require a N100, R100, or P100 filter
Don't use anything else or anything less. Some filters are effectively useless against oxalic acid fume.
Did I miss something? Are all these hives without the supers when you applied treatment?
Oxalic sublimator vs oxalic+achool with fogger? The same?
Hi David Frank here from Ireland got one from wall mart cant get jar to fit it in ireland didnt use it yet will try it with yellow container
Please excuse my ignorance, I am new to the idea of beekeeping, it is so fascinating!
I was thinking that if you don't want to breathe this stuff being the size of a human, out in the open air, what chance do the bees have? Also, doesn't this stuff get into the brood, wax and the honey as well? I did hear that bees breathe through spiracles, like most insects, and not like we do, but breathing is breathing. Thanks much.
I noticed the fog wasn’t thick so I refined your recipe I added 1/8 cup of PEG propylene ethyl glycol to the mix and now it fogs the solution well. With thick lingering fog.
Dave. I'm having a problem with the Burgess foggers in that the oxcilac acid is resolving the pump kit. Are you having the same problem? If not what are you doing? If so what are you doing other than replacing the pump kit? Thanks
I also have a Burgess Fogger . That said is it possible to get a more voluminous puff of treatment by removing the small nozzle or opening it up a bit with a drill ? Thanks in advance ...Rick
Once You mix. Will It stay mixed or do you have to keep mixing each time you use
Where did you get the grain alcohol and why heat it up before use?
How do you clean the fogger afterwards? Or is it fine . Thank you .
Quick question I'm treating my bees th with this setup I've heard of people adding essential lemon grass. Also some kind of mint ? What do you think? Either of both of no way.how much honey should I leave for over winter. I'd like to pull excess honey.....thank you
Hello, I plan to start 3 packages when should I start treatments with the fogger
David, is it ok to treat while the bee feeders are inside the hive or should i remove them prior to fogging? Thank you.
Is the same as the typical OA vaporizing? I have heard a lot of people say they are not getting good results any more from OA. After multiple treatments they are finding heavy mite loads.
I have just purchased the Black Flag/Burgess fogger. In the literature it clearly states, "The fogger is a dispenser of insecticides. Results obtained are directly related to the
insecticide used. In order to produce a fog, the insecticide must have the proper oil
base. Black Flag® Fogging Insecticide Formula 2 has the proper oil base. Do not use
emulsifiable concentrate or other materials designed to be mixed with water." Use with alcohol has been reported here to cause internal parts to become brittle. Since neither water or alcohol are effective lubricants, would not mixing oxalic acid with glycerin and/or mineral oil be suggested for extending the life of the fogger?
You might mention flushing the fogger out with straight alcohol or something after treating the hives! I bought one and it worked great...once! Now I have to see if I can take it apart and clean it out,
How long can the oxalic / alcohol mixture be stored? Does it separate?
If you don't have many hives can you save the mix and reuse later ?thanks in advance
How many years has someone used a fogger like this,or is this a first year experiment that seems to work ? Looks good thanks
Definitely clean/rinse the white pump pick up tube after each use. If you don't it will become very brittle. The parts are only $10 to replace but a hassle to get. I didn't have a good kill rate using the fogger. It works, but for me it wasn't close to 100%. Could have been the pump pick up was damaged.
Good to know! Thanks! What do you use now?
Have you heard anything about the alcohol eating up the probe on the fogger?
I lost both hives in the Fall within two months of trying this. I think the fogging machines did not work reliably and injected too much alcohol. No bees left at all! Would stick with just oxalic dry heated to vapor.
Hey Dave how about if you mix the oxalic acid with mineral oil I did it but I really haven't put too much oxalic acid into the mineral oil what's your recommendations
What about the use of Apivar strips??
I see this on a nuc size colony but what about say a 2 body 10 frame hive or even a three bodied hive 10 frame? How many puffs per hive body? Thanks enjoy your channel
Hi, why is FGMO used in foggers and when adding oxalis acid the choice is 95% alcohol?
In NZ one litre is NZ118 which is unbelievably expensive. FGMO is only $16/l.
Thx