GAYNOR LORD Inquest Reveals SHOCKING Intertextualities with Nicola Bulley
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RIP. Gaynor. People don’t always talk about how menopause is affecting them. I can say, that without a doubt, I have had the most horrendous 2 years of it. I have been on the brink often. It’s torture. You do think you’re going crazy, the anxiety can be off the charts. HRT made me feel much worse.
looked into stats and it show that menopausal women experience mental health issues, including unalived thoughts, but too many stay silent.
@@gateshead_angel "The Change" is no joke
@@islesofshoals3551 I'm so lucky I didn't notice it.
@@islesofshoals3551absolutely, for more than we know. When people say they’ve “flown” through it I struggle to believe them.
@@islesofshoals3551it's 💯👺👺💩💩💔💔🤮🤮👹👹😓😓🥺😜🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 to put it mildly!!
Even if you voice your thoughts there isn’t enough mental health support to help you immediately or in the longer term
Our NHS health board is in special measures for all aspects of mental health and has been for years 😢
I did want to say how good and refreshing it is to see someone championing mental health and the scourge, because thats what it is, of people taken too soon as a result of their suffering and the terrible impact on the poor families left behind. It's the worthiest cause to get behind.
Unfortunately people who suffer from black depression don't talk about it....they don't know why they feel the way they do and just want the pain to end...
Thanks for following through on the story I know most who were following this case won’t!
There is an interesting distinction between Nicola's inquest finding (accidental death) and this one (death by misadventure) - which basically reflects there being evidence of intent to enter the river in this case, that was not there in Nicolas. But the Coroner felt there was not sufficient evidence of intent to die. Don't under-estimate how important family testimony is in Coroners Court,- it probably stopped Nicola's being at least an open verdict. If we are really interested in making a difference we should get angry about lack of Mental health provision, restricted access to health provision, and lack of education and poor public perceptions around mental health.
In Nicolas case, the families legal representative requested the accidental verdict - this was coordinated & pre-emptive imho. Because based on what the family themselves said at the Inquest (I was there listening to their testimony) I don’t believe that’s what they genuinely believed. None of them. IMHO, my hypothesis you could say, I believe they may have been led to believe the Coroner was thinking down the self deletion route (which he never was) which left them open to accepting (or preferring) an accidental verdict as a better outcome - though NOT what they really wanted? Like any family, they wanted answers to what happened to Nicola. They wanted the truth. But because the Inquest outcome was determined long before it began - the Authorities wanted an end to the case there & then. They could not give an open verdict (which would have been appropriate given the facts as presented) as an open verdict left the loose ends dangling forever & inevitably FOI Requests may have uncovered the truth. So an accidental verdict it was. Case closed, signed sealed, buried in concrete. Never to be reopened.
Louise says in a clip from the documentary tonight ‘sometimes bad things just happen, it doesn’t always have to be something sinister…’ and I agree, it doesn’t always.
But it was in Nicolas case. There’s no doubt about it in my eyes, or mind.
Knowing that, it leaves the door open to the same perpetrator being responsible for many many more river deaths in the UK. IMHO
And big Pharma.
she rushed because she wanted peace. In her final moments taking the time to look at her loved ones to say goodbye in her own way. I believe the coroner got in wrong
Mikah Miller’s husband was literally driving her crazy and wouldn’t leave her alone. He was a narcissistic domestic abuser.
Cohesive and Coerce Control💯
Great thank you .
So sad, bless her ❤️
wow imo they don't want to link that HRT could be an attribute to her state of mind, giving her unalived thoughts.
She couldn't stop for the crossing lights at the Cathedral, stepping out in front of cars and dodging the, as though she couldn't pause and was driven by thoughts. Her coat was off and she was seen going down to the river there by the Cathedral to Pulls Ferry. When she is seen on camera leaving the Cathedral grounds she is pulling on her coat, maybe more for comfort than warmth. She was still walking fast and probably not cold at all. Just wonder if she had thought about the river there, but couldn't do it, and then remembered the park she knew well. Her walking then was slower on camera, as if she was steadying herself and thoughts more focused on what she might do. Poor lady, I didn't know the problems she had. Some meds and alcohol don't go together, don't know if that affected both Nicola and Gaynors minds.
“Confederacy of dunces” 😅 oh my that was a good one.
Good book too!!
The title of an excellent novel by John Kennedy Toole, who himself died by S very young (@30), and his book was published years after his death.
The external and internal pressure on women to be perfect is at an all time high. This is not 'mental health challenges' in the usual sense. Instead of anxiety and self-doubt being something to 'snap out' of, you're not supposed to ever go there. I knew this as a very young adult when people would correct me when i showed any stress expressions in my face. Stop, that will make wrinkles or an ex-boyfriend urging me to unscrunch stress lines in my brow. Take care of 90% of things but don't boss, control, or show any signs of distress.
Good point. There is pressure on women to be genial, people pleasing and not to express anger or dissatisfaction. And there is pressure on men to be strong and stoic. Neither are healthy. And there is the society we create around us, the values, the sharing of resources. We are all only here for a short time, and every time we impact negatively on another's brief sojourn here, it makes a difference. Or indeed when we impact positively.
@Flowersofromance6-fs4pb I agree. Women must be attractive but not too attractive, be smart but not too smart, be the best mother but not be frumpy, sexy but not slu**y, have a great career but not too successful or certainly not more than men, or you are a b***h. We can't win!!! Menopause is the sledgehammer to the soul that we really don't need!! Lol!
@Flowersofromance6-fs4pb I agree. Women must be attractive but not too attractive, be smart but not too smart, be the best mother but not be frumpy, sexy but not slu**y, have a great career but not too successful or certainly not more than men, or you are a b***h. We can't win!!! Menopause is the sledgehammer to the soul that we really don't need!! Lol!
Interesting point and as a Gen X woman grew up being told to smile / don’t cry / stay slim etc. 😢
Amazing 👍
My home town. I know that park and river. So sad.
As a long term bipolar survivor I welcome any discussion concerning mental health. Thank you
She could have been in a manic state of mind over the loss of her dog.
The two women even looked alike IMO. So sad.😢😢
I need to head to your playlist...However, there were several red flags, I wonder had 1 other person besides herself, been aware of all the different issues, this may have been different. I feel she may have been the strength in the family throughout her long marriage, possibly why she couldn't discuss with her husband. I wonder what her husband thoughts are on the Coroners verdict!
Great insights, thanks....
OK, my take on the coroner is they absolutely do NOT want to officially declare that a person brought an end to their life unless it's 100% evident. In my opinion, this is not 100% clear, therefore the right verdict was reached.
Well said Nick, I think she has been let down by the coroners. There is currently a missing 34 year old woman in Yorkshire. Police are looking in the river. I don’t know much about the case yet. Best wishes Nick.
Thanks Robbi. What is the woman's name missing in Yorkshire?
@@TCRS Victoria Taylor. I will just check I have the correct details though.
@@TCRS Yes she has been missing since Monday 2nd October from Malton, North Yorkshire. She has a baby apparently. I have only just been reading about her tonight in the Mirror Online. X
The baby is safe with family.
Completely concur with you 💚 It's unbelievable how some of these numerous folks beholding power,get such impertive elements so immensely wrong God bless you 💚😢🌼
I think one of the main reasons why it is such a taboo is that it somehow can feel like foul play to others.doesn’t fit into the idea of men and women being heroic, also very much in religious contexts where to this day it’s regarded as a sin sometimes. makes many people feel more than uncomfortable.
Isn't it also because of technology we can also actually see those on their way to die, either deliberately themselves, accidentally maybe from drinking, or murdered by another. We try and make sense, searching for any slight clue the camera may have caught, but all the while we are sort of trying to save them even though we know its too late.
I believe the coroners court need very explicit evidence before they rule a death is a result of self harm. Personally I think Nicola’s death was an accident, but I suspect her mind was busy, maybe anxious, perhaps some brain fog and that may have played a significant part in her accident. Gaynor’s death I think is more complex, it almost sounds like a manic episode. In both cases, the women were affected by health problems, which shouldn’t be swept under the carpet.
Personally I think Nicola’s death was an accident,>>>How do you drown by accident? Drowning takes several minutes. Nicola wasn't a child, she could swim and the water wasn't deep or particularly fast moving. Also, most people in an accident situation would cry for help. If it was an accident you would expect to see skid or slip marks in the mud near the edge. That wasn't there either. The proper way to think about this is to list the evidence of an accident versus the evidence of something else. This is where the true hypocrisy lies. This is where all the psychological evidence is just dismissed and a subjective view [absent of any evidence] is suddenly elevated to evidence, when it simply isn't.
Sometimes people don't really want to acknowledge what could be and for the families sake and quite possibly what they would of wanted, leave it at that. I find it difficult to believe she would of moved underwater and that fast and how she went over the weir without them finding her in those first days 😢
The first serious seizure in some time is interesting. Anyone who liked the band Joy Division back in the day (love will Tear Us Apart band) will remember the sad death of the lead singer Ian Curtis. A big factor was thought to be - not the epilepsy itself - but the trials of living with an intrusive illness and the horrible side affects of medications that didn't have enough good affects, but plenty of side affects. And it tormented him. I would hope that treatments have improved since then, but I don't know. He wrote a song called 'She's Lost Control Again' about when he worked in a job centre before getting famous, and a client of his there who had a seizure, which tells you how he felt the illness affected his own life.
Yes, that's so true, Curtis suffered badly & was driven to it. Such a sad, heartbreaking loss, not just to music but to his loved ones.
@Camille it certainly was
Gosh Nick, catching up now x
Once one decides to take one’s life The decision is made and the person appears surprisingly calm because they are no longer conflicted about whether to or not to do so
Yes sadly she knew what she was doing ❤
to me it looks like she was running to her death
By her hand though or someone else's? Many medications don't go with drinking alcohol, Nicolas is known to drink, I don't know about Gaynor but she worked in the gin bar at Jarrolds.
Forgive me for my ignorance but, are you a trained Investigator because your research & insights are second to non. Your videos on Madeline McCann in particular give us in the UK info that we just don't get from our mainstream media. Thanks for everything that you do ❤️🦓
Gaynor was severely depressed and hopeless. She may have felt ashamed about her predicament and assumed that loved ones would be better off without her around . I feel that she identified with Nicolas pain and loneliness and rationalized that floatnng away from the misery of this world would be the best choice.
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bang on correct.
I think I heard that two other ladies deliberately went into the river in the UK. One was 80 years old./The cold water may be because of hot flashes./I think Gaynor deliberately went into the water. She also stopped at a church on her way to the river./Maybe Gaynor craved attention and wanted to be rescued?
It was Norwich cathedral. But she was not seen inside but walking down through the cathedral close to the river at Pulls Ferry. I don't know if she thought about going in there, its a lovely quiet spot but on the other side of the river is a fairly busy road. Always thought there was something more going on, she was involved in something or had discovered something. Couldn't ever understand about the supposed yoga pose in the park. But now, Nick talking about her phone and her photos in her final moments and recent epilepsy episode, it looks as if she was maybe in some kind of psychosis. There are reports she was followed, and a link with a van, but I'm not sure if it's facts.
Sorry Cathedral Close, it's the area around the actual building.
There’s evidence of premeditation. Her comment about Nicola Bulley, is the one that is most striking to me. IMO, she knew exactly what she was doing when she went into that cold frigid water.
Her comment about Nicola Bulley, is the one that is most striking to me.>>>100%
Sorry but there was something medically wrong as she suffered epilepsy which could be a sign of something deeper that causes erratic behaviour.
I took psilocybin last night. Not looking for a cheap thrill but for insight, as I have heard it can provide. It is as if a dam burst. Stuff I have been keeping in check is now square in my face screaming at me. I want it to stop. I want to sleep and not wake up. It is at such times when we may be "crazy" but to us it is as if we are finally seeing the truth. It is just too hard and too sad.
The most powerful thing one can do is accept what is. The truth hurts-- it may seem unbearable-- but that pain is temporary and it can usher in deep, profound understanding and healing. And with that comes transformative compassion for yourself-- compassion that takes the place of what was once fear/terror. Resisting what needs to be acknowledged and is desperately trying to be heard doesn't make it go away-- it only ensures the pain becomes victimizing suffering. But when we stop running and turn to face what already IS, we find ourselves-- and what we find is so much more beautiful than we can imagine when we're stuck in our broken down narratives.
Take care of yourself. Listen for that soft, gentle inner wisdom. The road is there. You might as well walk it. My heart is with you.
@Emily please be careful Emily, I know these things sound seductive, but it is your brain chemistry you are experimenting on. I wish you health & happiness.
@@Flowersofromance6-fs4pb Thanks folks. I'm doing better. Coming back to myself.
@@Flowersofromance6-fs4pb Thanks folks. I'm coming back to myself--maybe the self of delusion, but it feels much better.
@@Flowersofromance6-fs4pb Thanks folks. I'm ok now.
Not with you this time. Just because you think about something doesn’t mean you are in your right mind. You can look at pictures and want to die, even plan to die, but is that kind of thinking normal? Of course not! She didn’t just decide to go mental/ it happened to her. So how can you he outcome ever be voluntary if you aren’t living in reality?
Exactly, it sounds like she may of had a psychosis which can go on for days, eg when she was rambling about Nicola up to when she died.
These ads are popping up every few minutes, 2 at a time. Absolutely insane
Yes Nick it seems like premeditation to me.
Listening to the coroners report 🤔
There is a woman just gone missing in North Yorkshire in similar circumstances 😢
The coroner got it right under UK law. There has to be clear evidence of intent on that day at that moment. Recognising behaviours that may indicate it (wanting to be like Nicola, etc - itself a contentious case to draw assumption from!) is not the same as proof , it is subjective opinion in coroner court. Because it is balanced with other things - a history of erratic behaviours and a couple of incidences of mental disorder like having to be taken to hospital from a pub thinking aliens were after her. Plus, evidence from her husband who on being asked why he thought she was in that park said she'd watched a programme on cold water swimming and may, in a disordered state, have intended to do that. Relatives views on state of mind and intent are evidence in coroner's courts. We might have our own views (& I do, about this and Nicola) but I respect the Coroners Court need for actual proof and they were legally correct in calling it as death by misadventure. Coroner's aren't there to find on their gut feelings or opinions. Death by misadventure reflects the involvement of reckless, even life threatening behaviour being a factor.
Coroner's aren't there to find on their gut feelings or opinions.>>>I guess evidence to one person is "subjective opinion" to another.
legally correct>>>>
If someone says they want a similar result to Nicola Bulley, and we know what the end result was, and then, that's precisely what ends up happening, that's proof that she entered the water because she wanted to live? How is that logical or correct in any universe?
On the night she had to be taken to hospital from a pub thinking aliens were after her - what if in her disordered mental state she'd jumped into a river, ran in front of traffic - would that have been S? The evidence is an accumulation of circumstances that certainly point to mental disintegration rather than what counts as evidence of intent to die under UK colonial law - I didn't write the legislation, it just is. As I say I have my own opinion based on probability, and it's similar to yours as it happens although I think chaotic thinking may have played a part also, but I recognise that it's not the coroner's role to apportion intent where it can't be demonstrated. They have to have an unambiguous COD and positive proof of hard intent.
I’ve only just heard about this case but it looked like she was running to meet someone and was late.
Verbal diarrhoea is a lay persons term for “pressure of thoughts “
Being so stressed or agitated or deluded that you cannot have a normal conversation and continually need to speak out your problems / issues to others - friends or not
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Given that she had lost her beloved dog, had her seizures to cope with and her age ( menopause ) was probably depressed.
Maybe she got in the water just to stop the overwhelming feeling.
Wow what the heck is going on ?
A person in a fugue state is not going to respond to cold water
This lady was clearly very distressed and overwhelmed by her thoughts and feelings
Your idea about cold water may have been a desperate idea to try and stop the pressure of thoughts
@TCRS
Coroners may not have a good knowledge of mental health issue 😢
If you planned to leave this world, why would you go to your place of work, that's the last thing you would even think of. To me it looked like she was rushing to go somewhere, was she meeting someone ?? my dog passed and when you love them you do look at photos of them regularly, here's nothing wrong with it. I would personally find this very suspicious if I was on the case
Perhaps she went for a drink 🍷
People CAN be such fools if they believe Menopause Killed these two targeted woman. Someone got away with Murder, not once but twice.
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I don’t agree. Menopause can be and is tortuous for some women, including myself. We’re not fools. This is why women aren’t opening up about it because they can’t be seen as crazy.
@@Cosmic-lover293 You make it seem like you are the only one that goes through it.Get a Grip! Millions of woman have been living with Menapause since the beginning of time. Myself included!
@@cu4achat123 get a grip? What an awful thing to say. You have absolutely NO IDEA what I’ve been going through, and no I’m certainly not alone, and you shouldn’t assume I think so. I know a lot of women who are struggling with it. A lot of women are ignored. For you to say that is unhelpful and quite frankly disgusting!!!
Why can't I leave a comment?
I see your comment
If you directly write the word (S… or unliving yourself) utube automatically deletes at times.
Depending on the words used in our comments, the algorithm has trigger words that delete the comment. I hope this helps. It’s called sensorship.
I have been trying to thank the two folks above for their words of support, and to say I'm okay now, and I keep getting deleted. Nick is right: certain subjects are taboo and we aren't supposed to talk about them. It seems ol' TH-cam is in agreement with that, and so part of the problem.