Brother Skousen holds a special place in my heart. He's Taught me so much over the past 17,18 some odd years . Wish I had a chance to meet him in this life. Great story teller , great teacher.. He's one of the greats .
It is an interesting theory to be sure. Just realize, this is speculation, and is in no way endorsed as doctrine by the LDS faith. I'll point you to a rebuttal by a BYU professor, Clyde J. Williams, produced in April 2000. IMO, like Elder McConkie's "Mormon Doctrine", I'd wish this talk would just go away.
A Mormon-fringe take on penal-substitution theory. Should be completely jettisoned as devotional material. Interesting sure, but trying to make math out of the divine feels fruitless to me. I liked this stuff once, but this theory harbors really deep issues with our relationship with the divine, and ultimately becomes arbitrarily barbaric.
@ Something sacred should be compelling in their divinity. Penal-substitution theory and its offshoots are anything but divine in its logic and causes God to appear to be a Monster who can’t help it. Proof is not the request. Goodness is what I seek.
@@HedinGolf I would argue that it is Bro. Skousen who, by appealing to anonymous church authority and piecing together specifically interpreted scripture (which interpretations have been refuted by church leaders), is trying to show proof of sacred things. As a side note, It’s also hard for me to see people being influenced spiritually by a man who was a communist conspiracy theorist who was against civil rights.
Brother Skousen holds a special place in my heart. He's Taught me so much over the past 17,18 some odd years . Wish I had a chance to meet him in this life. Great story teller , great teacher.. He's one of the greats .
I love to read and listen Brother Skousen. You can hear that he believes what said.
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Such a powerful talk! Thanks for putting it on here
WOW! This talk really educated me about the Gospel of Jesus Christ and of the atonement.
It is an interesting theory to be sure. Just realize, this is speculation, and is in no way endorsed as doctrine by the LDS faith. I'll point you to a rebuttal by a BYU professor, Clyde J. Williams, produced in April 2000. IMO, like Elder McConkie's "Mormon Doctrine", I'd wish this talk would just go away.
Fantastic!! It makes so much sense.
What an amazing talk!
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A Mormon-fringe take on penal-substitution theory. Should be completely jettisoned as devotional material. Interesting sure, but trying to make math out of the divine feels fruitless to me. I liked this stuff once, but this theory harbors really deep issues with our relationship with the divine, and ultimately becomes arbitrarily barbaric.
Great attempt on sounding academic. However, these things work by faith, period. It is impossible to make an attempt at proof of sacred things.
@ Something sacred should be compelling in their divinity. Penal-substitution theory and its offshoots are anything but divine in its logic and causes God to appear to be a Monster who can’t help it. Proof is not the request. Goodness is what I seek.
@@HedinGolf I would argue that it is Bro. Skousen who, by appealing to anonymous church authority and piecing together specifically interpreted scripture (which interpretations have been refuted by church leaders), is trying to show proof of sacred things.
As a side note, It’s also hard for me to see people being influenced spiritually by a man who was a communist conspiracy theorist who was against civil rights.
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@@EKowallis couldn’t have written it more succinctly myself about Cleon’s talk.