You showed two very different examples. Wasting time before inbounding should be addressed, its an exploit. There is nothing the defense can do to counter that. Wasting time after the inbound is a legit basketball play since the opposing team can defend and make them pick up the ball
Well said. The exploit (not inbounding) should be a loss of possession. The non-touch after inbound is the defensive team's issue.. they chose to allow it to happen.
you are missing one point. It's a logical error that a team inbounds (so they are in possession of the ball and they start the play) but their 24 second count doesnt start. that makes no sense at all. that logical error gets even worse because while the team clock doesnt start, the game clock does.
I dont have a problem with "walking the dog" as the inbound play is called. BUT what Ja did where he's purposely delaying an inbound pass is delay of game and should be called.
I agree, but as a defender... it is your job to be there challenging the inbound and yelling 5 seconds when he does this... so that the ref can't miss it.... so it is kind of on the defense and coaching staff too... they should be screaming 5 seconds... right about at the 3 second mark...
@@idkijs435 The first play he showed is a 5 second violation that the refs just missed... The rest if the plays he showed are Lazy defenses, period. There is no delay of game... it is just stupid and lazy defense... and teams tanking on purpose and the offense embarrassing weak defenders... there shouldn't be any room for weak on an NBA court... and less room for changing rules to hide lazy players on the court.
I am not sure but I know the pro league here in the PH calls a delay of game warning (1st instance) for antics out of bounds or before inbounding. 2nd offense anytime on the same game teams get a tech.
it is both unprofessional and smart but yea I agree they should just have the game clock start ticking after the inbound, why it doesnt already is strange to me
As others have mentioned, wasting time out of bounds should be illegal. But wasting time inbounds is fair game. The defense can't do anything when the ball hasn't been put in play, whereas it's their own fault for not pressing when it has been inbounded.
It’s the one in charge of the clock’s fault. Time should run if and only if the ball is touched on a possession. But since they’re lazy before the 2-minute mark they leave the clock running ASSUMING an immediate hand over in ball possession.
yeah i dont get how this is possible. the refs need to stick to the 5 second rule. and rolling the ball for 8 seconds should also be an 8 second violation
I think if you’re delaying out of bounds like Ja did, that should be a technical for delay of game. But if the offense is walking the dog, that’s on the defense to stop
Harden is always considered the rule-breaker but I think between his dribbles, foul drawing, and time shenanigans Ja is definitely the most underrated sneaky guy
@@izjalen then find a way to counter it. Just like the shift in baseball. Want to counter it? Learn to hit the ball opposite field. Find a way to adapt and overcome, not complain and deman a rule change.
@@andrewregard7250 Yea that’s not at all the same thing. In baseball , that’s reading a batter and his tendencies and going off that. The counter is indeed to hit it away from the shift but that takes skill from the batter to stray from his tendencies. BOTH SIDES are involved in high level iq baseball. In this situation (the vid) only the team that has the lead gets this advantage and all it’s adds (as a viewer) is watching one defender come up to cause the offense to touch the ball and they proceed to run back to the other half to play defense. Allowing this doesn’t add anything to the game.. it does the opposite , it takes away game clock that otherwise would’ve been spent on real basketball such as dribbling, passing, shooting, etc. I’ll accept ANYTHING but watching a ball roll on the floor for 24 seconds
It seems like this could be easily defended by just having 1 player defend the inbound. It takes 2 players to inbound the ball and only 1 person to prevent them from doing a lame ass roll inbounds. You don't have to go all out full court press, just have a guard stay to defend the inbound. The defense still has 4vs3 on the other end of the court. There isn't really a mismatch to exploit at that point versus waiting for the ball to roll up to almost half court.
@@izjalen If you don't like the ball rolling up the court, then write a letter to your teams coach asking him to bench LAZY players who won't play defense... you won't see this happen against a well coached competitive defensive team... this is just happening to teams whose defenses have already conceded the loss...or the nets ... who never play D anyways.
It's very clever and a smart tactic but when you do it every position down the court it becomes extremely annoying. Ja definitely abuses this to the fullest.
@@Awkward_Inc3l right! It's not that difficult to understand lol can't blame a team for being smart when the other team is just stupid and lazy smh you full court press the inbound pass and it's not a problem. It's like if someone was to complain they got knocked tf out when they let the guy punch him in the face 😂
@debiruranbo you didn’t actually watch that game…. last 45sec so the clock stops after every shot, rockets do a full court press and foul/pressure every inbound. I kinda joked before but what Jose does is not an accident coaches have late game strategies and defensive sets to stop teams from wasting time.
Man, that’s not NBA’s fault. That’s the defender’s fault. 😂 They could harass those players to make them hold the ball, but defenders gets lazy and players gets unaware that they’re being kind of “stupid” not defending properly.
@@konnichiyawa1360 you can try to get a steal within 5 seconds as well nothings stopping you from doing that, just like you can go for a steal when a player is standing in the paint about to be called for standing in the paint for too long
100% in favor of the rolling inbound. As the defending team, just pressure the inbounds pass, forcing a real pass and not a roll up. You're about to lose anyway so in theory you should be desperate. It's a very simple solution, force a regular inbound pass and get the shot clock started by forcing a touch. I like the rule because that possession that resulted in a made basket was really cool, it was hectic and generated a distinct advantage off of a gamble from both teams. If the rule also forces more pressure and a hectic style full court, that also makes for better end-game basketball IMO. The team that's down should be desperate to force more mistakes full court anyway. Flopping is a pretty terrible comparison. Flopping is trying to deceive refs. This inbounds loophole is just gamesmanship from the team that's up. They're challenging the other team. "Play me or your desperate little comeback is done."
Talking about soccer, at the qatar world cup, many people wonder why they give massive 4 to 10 minutes stoppage time. They did it to reduce time taken because of injury or goal celebration. Usually, a goal celebration can take 1 minute, so 3 goal can take 3 minutes from the clock, not to mention free kick and substition can take minutes off the clock too
But the sport and how the time is kept in them are vastly different... What they do in cricket has nothing to do with what they do in basketball. One thing I do know, if I were to pull this off in our shit tier bush league game they'd whistle a technical foul on you and you could kiss goodbye all the ref calls going your way for the rest of the game... That is for sure. It would probably not be straight according to rules, but we out there to play basketball not play with the basketball rulebook.
@@ayden947 not 100% sure but I think that, even if the clock on the scoreboard keeps going, the ref stops his wrist watch. That's how he knows how much time to add
If it’s apart of the rules then it’s intelligent to take advantage of it in a competitive league where winning directly contributes to success and money. I really loved the new take foul rules and seeing more uneven fast breaks. A way to deter this move would be to have an 8 second count like they do normally but also add in a 10-12 second call that goes with the game clock and not the shot clock. Meaning you can still do that delay of the clock but only 10 seconds at a time max. Or just make it 10 seconds like it used to be and start that counter as soon as the ball comes inbounds whether a player touches it or not. Or start the timer as soon as the ball touches the floor inbounds.
They’ll likely make that rule change in due time. I wouldn’t call it smart when it’s that deliberate and easy to spot out. At that rate, it’s just cheesing and ruining the integrity of the sport. Smart advantages for me is drawing sneaky fouls that look real or how players utilize the gather step tule to make a 3 step not count as a travel. But this time killer loophole is just straight cheese.
@@marcorossi2854 "unsportsmanlike" just stop. It's a good play. Hell, I'd make my players deliberately walk the dog every possession until the defense is forced to play full-court, and then use pace to exploit the space of the defense. Rinse and repeat. Should slower pace teams be punished for being slower than the fastest paced teams? No, so then, how that comes about shouldn't matter.
@@a-a-rondavis9438 "Should slower pace teams be punished for being slower than the fastest paced teams?" They are, it's called a shot clock and it was implemented in 1954. It's also called the 8 second violation and that was introduced in 2001 when it was reduced from 10 seconds. Rules change and this is one that needs to change.
NOT TRUE AT ALL. Clock only stops on a whistle which means it runs when ball is scored. That changes in the last 2 minutes when the clock stops every time the ball is scored. That's why the last 2 minutes feel often so long.
Rolling the ball up is such a clever play. The first one where he’s stalling picking up the ball I think should be called a delay of game and clock should stop but otherwise the rule is very legal and the easy solution is to press way into the backcourt and pressure Ja into picking it up and starting the shot clock.
You don't even have to press just need one guy to defend the inbound pass lmfao 🤣 everyone crying if you have to press then it's a disadvantage when it's not even a full court press all it is just defending the inbound pass lmfao
@@fadercreek they should. Traps have been shown to work well against NBA offenses, I mean look at the Raptors huge comeback against the Mavs a couple years ago. Came back from like 20-something points to win the game and they did it primarily using a full court trap defense.
@@spikehyzer2323 definitely in the spirit of the rules though. Rolling the ball up is something that’s happened for decades. The easy solution is to play defense. Pressure the ball handler in the backcourt so he can’t do that. If that’s in the rules, then so is rolling the ball up and also chucking it to the ref.
Professional players take as much as advantage as they can, so I don't think it's on them for doing so. Same with how they took advantage of drawing fouls for just jumping into their defender while in the shot motion. I think the league needs to focus more on flopping, carries (maybe being more lenient tbh) and cracking down on refs giving technicals for doing little to nothing.
It reminds me of the 1-3-1 trap in the NHL or the shift in baseball. Instead of changing the rules, find a way to beat it. If you can't beat it, that's on you and your teammates and coaching staff for not developing a strategy to counter it. It's all strategy that teams are challenging you to exploit and defeat.
The 5 second inbound violation used to be a violation if someone inbounds didn't touch it within 5 seconds instead of someone simply releasing the ball inbounds within 5 seconds. They changed the rules and now we have this.
@@tupacalypse88 The argument you will most commonly see, is that a strong slugger on a team thinks that they can do better than a single. A bunt, if successful, is almost always just a single. If it was just that, then it would be a stupid argument, because even the best hitters average less than a single per at bat. Even Barry Bonds only averaged like 0.6 bases per at bat, and he is one of the all-time leaders. The real reason you don't see it that much, is pride. Bunting is a skill that needs to be learned, a failed bunt is kinda embarrassing, and if you bunt into the shift, you are doing exactly what the defense wants you to do, so you feel like you shouldn't do it, even though it is probably the most efficient play.
@@anewfuture I can get that kinda like underhand free throw is better but embarrassing. as a fan but haven't played since a kid how hard is bunting as a skill to learn?
Agreed. If the defence messes with the ball after a basket is score, it is called. But the offensive player acts like the ball is all of a sudden covered in grease or passing it to the ref is okay? I don't think the ref needs to touch the ball before inbounding after a made basket.
@@X-Being Clearly an offensive version of the rule is needed too. The ref doesn't need to touch the ball after a made basket and some of those mishandles of the ball before the inbounds are comical.
For the throw-in, I think the referee should start counting for the five second throw-in as soon as the ball is made available to them (right in front of them where they are able to reach out and grab it).
They already start counting for the throw-in (typically the ref furthest away does it), but they could start the back court time limit (8 seconds) at the release of ball being in-bound. It also starts when the player touches in-bounds.
Great video. The defense really need to put more emphasis on not allowing this but I would definitely like to see the league make some changes too. The thing that Jokic and Morant was doing should be stopped by the refs by making the player know that they're doing the five count.
Sadly, they (the refs) can't do that, because the rule book is very specific. There is already a 5-second limit on in-bounding, when the player has full possession of the ball. The rule had to be that way, to prevent opponents from doing things to interfere, such as lagging behind and stepping in front of the refs passing the ball to player. There is, as well, an 8-second back court time limit, but that doesn't start until in-bound pass is touched by player... that one I have issue with, as it should be from the point the ball in back in the play area.
@@spikehyzer2323 The problem with that, the ball has to be checked to the referee, and depending on the action, may not be right there. The issue is the shot clock doesn't start until touched, so makes more sense to just have the shot clock start when the player gets the ball from the ref and just increase the shot clock 5 seconds (for the in-bound pass).
@@spikehyzer2323 So, just to be clear, you lost any respect when you open your comments with an insult. But, I caution you to double check the NBA Official Rules, especially since the inclusion of Instant Replay. To be more direct, if following a successful free throw or field goal, and the ball is NOT accessible to the team to throw in, it is designated as a "Dead Ball". Same is true if the scoring team touches the ball after successful score. The rule was implemented to prevent players from blocking teams from getting to the ball. Section IV-Dead Ball a. The ball becomes dead and/or remains dead when the following occurs: 3.Following a successful field goal or free throw that will remain in play, until player possession out-of-bounds. So, to answer your question... No, I am not. But, then again, I have the ability to discern reasoning details, that checking the ball to the ref is 100% irrelevant to my point... as it is the issue of when the shot clock starts, which is when available to be thrown in... But, thanks for proving you can be sidetracked with non-issues and completely miss the opportunity for "logical discourse.
@@spikehyzer2323 As for the changes to the shot clock, again, it's not actually a "change" of time, but an off-set to other time limits exploited... namely, the 5 second Throw-In limit and the 8 second back court limit.
it has been said but, refs can start calling delay of game warnings and delay of game penalties on the pre inbound time wasting. But, once the ball is inbounded the ball can be defended. Loved the Celtic's play and on the rare occasion when the ball is being walked up and the defense is able to dive on it and get a jump ball or a steal is a very entertaining play. The talent is elite, so should be the situational awareness of the players and coaches to know the clock.
There is no delay of game rule related to this. Per the NBA rulebook "A delay-of-game shall be called for: Preventing the ball from being promptly put into play. Interfering with the ball after a successful field goal or free throw. Failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official when a personal foul or violation is assessed." The ball can be defended, the problem being, they are exploiting the very reason for the shot clock. As for diving for the ball, per NBA rules "Players cannot 'dive on' or 'jump on' their opponents in an attempt to control a loose ball, or to cause a jump ball.”" In other words, since the players are shielding the ball it could be a violation of the rule.
If the celtics did that in Athens Belgrade or Istanbul they would get stuff thrown at them and insults. Doing it at 6:30 of 4th quarter when the opposing team is clearly not pressing is straight up unsportsmanlike.
A part of me wants to see a fan run from a courtside seat onto the floor and kick the ball just to let the league know. I wouldn't even put the onus on the defense because they're trained to defend an active player who clearly has possession or to grab a loose ball. Expecting them to take the bait in this scenario is an injury waiting to happen. Call it illegal offense: if the ball in within reach, moving parallel with you towards your opponents' basket you have three seconds to dribble, pass or shoot.
@@kg3711 yeah like the first clip with wasting time with the inbound was valid, but once the ball is in play, the defence can simply apply more pressure to get them to pick up the ball sooner
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Ja dropping the ball when the ref is trying to get him to inbound is definitely an issue, but if the opposing team loses 20 seconds because they refuse to play press defense, that’s their own fault
If you don't want your team to lose out on precious time to mount a comeback, maybe they should.... just play defense so the player picks up the ball!!! Of the many things you can complain about in the nba, this should be at the very bottom of the list.
Love your content but I gotta respectfully disagree with your take. It's not like soccer players faking injuries because the opposing team cannot do anything about that, whereas there's nothing stopping the defense from... actively defending. The Celtics play you showed is a perfect example of offense outsmarting defense. Defenses will adjust over time and better be able to handle this tactic if it continues to trend.
His analogy has nothing to do with countering the tactic, it was comparing it to the spirit of the game. Soccer rules did not intend for players to fake injuries just like NBA rules did not intend for players to camp and roast marshmallows with the ball on the ground. Two different things can be similar depending on what you're comparing. If I say "apples are like oranges because they are both fruits," you can't counter with "you're wrong because one is red and the other is orange."
@@slimconfucius I appreciate your comment and I agree with you that his point was regarding the spirit of the game, but I don't think it's fair to leave the defensive counter to the tactic out of the analogy. If defenses don't like what it's doing to the spirit of the game they can simply adjust their defensive strategy. Apples to oranges is the phrase used when comparing two things that really shouldn't be compared because they're not similar enough. These two situations are similar in the same way that apples and oranges are fruit, but different in that the defensive ability to respond doesn't exist in one sport and does in the other.
Comparing this to soccer players literally faking injuries is such a stupid take. If the other team wants to prevent it, press. It's that simple. If they don't feel like playing defense, they are going to get punished for it.
Basketball is not just a game of Talent but also Tactics! The Football comparison is way way far from basketball! Yeah they both milking clock strategy but faking injury is different from not touching the ball ! Yeah the football thing should be change i agree but in basketball that's totally fine! It's not the game rule fault its the defender sloppy behaviour! They just abusing defender st*pidity!!! The defender should adjust not the rules!
I think the best way to fix this is to start the 8 second count AND shot clock as soon as the ball touches the court whether a player touches it or not.
I believe every game/sport is going to be played the way the rules of the game allow or don’t allow. If you change some rules you can drastically alter the way the game unfolds. In pro sports it seems they don’t like changing rules too much. Maybe it affects the history and records within the sport. I don’t really like winning by killing the clock that way in the NBA. No good reason I guess, it just doesn’t seem sportsmanlike. I prefer stop clock but understand the arguments against.
Travelling, attitude, 3 pointers, dunking...The NBA has become UNWATCHABLE...Raise the rim to 11' and change the way the game is played. For Heaven's sake there are 12 year olds dunking, why should I pay to watch "Pros" do it?
The part where they let the ball roll once it's inbounded can be rectified by the defense pressing. The "I can't catch the ball even though I'm a professional athlete" schtick after a made basket should be called a delay of game. There now it's all fixed! 😉
I thought about it and it's kinda hard to fix. The first thing I considered is starting the shot clock (and game clock after 2:00 mark) as soon as the ball leaves the inbounder's hands. The problem is that it takes away the Hail-Mary play when a team is down less than a bucket with 1s or so to go and makes the game less exciting. Then I thought just stop the clock after each bucket in the 4th quarter like side-out plays. But that would mean an increase in game duration and that's also problematic for the league as they're trying to stick to a schedule of 2h30m per game. So I thought maybe give the refs the ability to call delay-of-game warning, then technical free throws (a la def-3secs) after the first time. But without a clear criteria for the call to be made, as it is really hard to narrow that down, it would have to be at the referee's discretion. And man, nobody, I mean not a single soul wants the refs to have any more power to influence a game than they already do.
Rule #1 - If a player does not make a concerted attempt to inbound the ball in a reasonable time, the referee can issue a warning, followed by a technical. Rule #2 - If a team inbounding does not touch the ball within 5 seconds of it touching the floor, a violation is called awarding 1 free throw (but still remaining possession). I think these 2 rules would fix it right up and not change the spirit of the current game.
#2 used to be a rule but they changed it to 5 seconds to inbound the ball instead because it was easier for the referees to know whether there was a violation or not and less arguments that way.
that would take away opportunity to make a long pass, when there is almost no time on clock, for spectacular game winning plays. I would propose implementation of a different rule to start the clock. not only when after inbound, the ball touches player, but also when the ball touches the ground. Easy and simple fix....
For me, it's just a smart way to kill time. But I have to admit that when it's more than 10 seconds, it's annoying. So maybe a new rule for that, like a call after 10 seconds or something.
This is mega STUPID. After the basket a player has possession of the ball and passes the ball to his teammate!!!!! Why isn’t the 24 counting? It’s not like the ball was inbounded by itself....
I totally agree.... that pisses me off when guys do that. It kind of says we are not good enough to hold our lead and we need to get that clock down while we are ahead cuz we will lose if we have to play the extra seconds. Another good video Stephan. Thanks.
It's also saying that the other team doesn't want to play defense. Two lazy teams wasting time, and doesn't want to compete. NBA is a failed professional game.
I would say to add another 5-8 seconds rule. You already have one for getting the ball inbound, for going to the next half court, a shoot clock and paint violation. A 5 seconds rule to get the first touch on the inbound should be an easy one to implement.
I'm a little confused but why is the clock still running after a made basket at 0:01? Doesn't the clock stop and resume once the inbound is made and the player touches it? Why is the clock running during a made basket and throughout the inbound?
2 things 1. if you need this to stop if a team made a basket and the other team doesnt get the ball immediately, the referee should act quick and get the ball for the inbounder.. 2. its also the opposing teams fault, thats why your guards should always defend the reciever of the inbound after a made basket
my understanding from being a fiba referee (low level) was that when the ball becomes live (when it touches a player) thats when the 5 second count ends so maybe that needs to be introduced to the NBA
I like it. It's a strategy. If the defense doesn't like it, they should make a threat to grab the ball instead of just heading back to the basket and assuming the offense will "kindly" bring the ball up. It promotes a full court game instead of a half court game every possession. In some of these plays, you can see the offensive player(s) daring the defense to take the ball and with the Celtics, even having an offensive "blocker" like its an NFL play. The only thing I don't like is stalling time before inbounding because the defensive player can't do anything about it while the inbounder is acting all dumb and fake clumsy. In these cases, it should be the ref's discretion to call a kind of "delay of game" technical foul.
The difference with football is that when players fake injuries that time at the end is added on the NBA this types of technics to loose time wont be added. Despite that if my team needs the W and this helps I support it. Everything for the W bro, don’t care if the people don’t like it.
This doesn't add anyything to the competitive nature of the sport... it's anticlimatic and nobody wants unnecessary advantages given to the winning team. They should really patch this one up
Pro players are so much less active than college. Offenses also stand around to “clear out” for set plays that amount to one on ones, instead of cutting and passing.
This actually shouldn't even be a thing. The rule states "...when the ball is inbounded..." not "...when a player touches the ball...". This literally shouldn't be a thing already. It's already a foul should be a 5 second call, it's just ignored because why not
Here is the rule. It says nothing about the 24 second clock. There is also a delay of game rule which is violated when the offense doesn't inbound the ball "promptly". The officials can fix this problem by simply starting to count once the ball is passed onto the court. The purpose of the 24 second clock is to stop teams from doing exactly this. A team shall not be in continuous possession of a ball which is in its backcourt for more than 8 consecutive seconds. EXCEPTION (1): A new 8 seconds is awarded if the defense: (1) kicks or punches the ball, (2) is assessed a personal or technical foul, or (3) is issued a delay of game warning. EXCEPTION (2): A new 8 seconds is awarded: (1) if play is suspended to administer Comments on the Rules-N-Infection Control, (2) when a team gains control of a jump ball in the backcourt, or (3) during a frontcourt throw-in into the backcourt in the last two minutes of the fourth and last two minutes of any overtime period. PENALTY: Loss of ball. The ball is awarded to the opposing team at the midcourt line.
wasting time before an inbound should be addressed by the NBA. but wasting time after an inbound by not touching the ball should be addressed by the OPPOSING TEAM.
wasting time before inbounding should be adress as a technical foul. But sorry wasting time after inbounding it's a defensive problem. You should defend hard and put pressure on your opponent when you are behind at score
Start the goddamn clock right away. "THAT'S THE DEFENSIVE TEAM'S PROBLEM IF THEY DON'T PUT PRESSURE TO THE OTHER TEAM." True, but that also takes away the pressure of making offensive plays out of the other team. If the offensive team has that pressure, the pressure to put up a defense for the other team will still be there. The pressure to put up a defense will always be there regardless, so what was actually happening is the time being consumed for no reason whatsoever. The fans and the defensive team are the ones getting robbed. Ultimately, if the clock would right away after the inbound, the fans will get the best value cos then we'd see more of actual basketball, more planning for coaches to actually make plays on close matches, etc.
Heat Check, I do like your videos and for sure agree with you about these time-eating plays, or better - non-plays... BUT... Do you REALLY find Jokic in the same story with the others... Just watch the video by yourself and then be honest as much as you can...
Inbounds, shouldn't require the ref, like Europe. If you can grab it fast and go, they should. Otherwise, for the delay. I do like 3-5 seconds to get the ball out of the hoop (max). And ball once inbounded and HITS THE FLOOR or players hand should start the clock.
You showed two very different examples. Wasting time before inbounding should be addressed, its an exploit. There is nothing the defense can do to counter that.
Wasting time after the inbound is a legit basketball play since the opposing team can defend and make them pick up the ball
Well said. The exploit (not inbounding) should be a loss of possession. The non-touch after inbound is the defensive team's issue.. they chose to allow it to happen.
the first exploit should draw a delay of game foul.
you are missing one point. It's a logical error that a team inbounds (so they are in possession of the ball and they start the play) but their 24 second count doesnt start. that makes no sense at all. that logical error gets even worse because while the team clock doesnt start, the game clock does.
The clock being wasted before an inbound should be a delay of game technical
I get it, but I think this creates too much defensive pressure. I think it's better to start the clock earlier.
I dont have a problem with "walking the dog" as the inbound play is called. BUT what Ja did where he's purposely delaying an inbound pass is delay of game and should be called.
Yeah seriously it would take just one call to get him to knock that shit off, at least for that game
I agree, but as a defender... it is your job to be there challenging the inbound and yelling 5 seconds when he does this... so that the ref can't miss it.... so it is kind of on the defense and coaching staff too... they should be screaming 5 seconds... right about at the 3 second mark...
It should literally be called delay of game
@@idkijs435 The first play he showed is a 5 second violation that the refs just missed...
The rest if the plays he showed are Lazy defenses, period.
There is no delay of game... it is just stupid and lazy defense... and teams tanking on purpose and the offense embarrassing weak defenders... there shouldn't be any room for weak on an NBA court... and less room for changing rules to hide lazy players on the court.
I am not sure but I know the pro league here in the PH calls a delay of game warning (1st instance) for antics out of bounds or before inbounding. 2nd offense anytime on the same game teams get a tech.
The defense is too lazy to play gritty defense. We gotta solve that problem first.
it is both unprofessional and smart
but yea I agree they should just have the game clock start ticking after the inbound, why it doesnt already is strange to me
As others have mentioned, wasting time out of bounds should be illegal. But wasting time inbounds is fair game. The defense can't do anything when the ball hasn't been put in play, whereas it's their own fault for not pressing when it has been inbounded.
8 second violation on every backcourt position. Problem solved
It’s the one in charge of the clock’s fault. Time should run if and only if the ball is touched on a possession. But since they’re lazy before the 2-minute mark they leave the clock running ASSUMING an immediate hand over in ball possession.
Should be added time. Better solution technical violation.
yeah i dont get how this is possible. the refs need to stick to the 5 second rule. and rolling the ball for 8 seconds should also be an 8 second violation
Well, they could just press the play. It’s up to the defending team.
Gamesmanship is part of the game using the rules to your advantage is smart change nothing
There was a player doing it but instead ended up in shaqtin.
Here's an idea: Play some f*cking defense!
You would have never gotten away with this during the era of the 1980's Piston era. Today's players are such wimps
I think if you’re delaying out of bounds like Ja did, that should be a technical for delay of game. But if the offense is walking the dog, that’s on the defense to stop
Refs should call 10 sec violations on many of these.
What the heck is the purpose of "walking the dog". I don't get it.
100% right
@izzonj the shot clock doesn't start until they pick the ball up. That's why they do it.
Harden is always considered the rule-breaker but I think between his dribbles, foul drawing, and time shenanigans Ja is definitely the most underrated sneaky guy
JA has become the travel king
Also the many offensive fouls the refs dismiss so the NBA can have the Morant highlight dunk.
How the fuck it this a player fault? He knows rules and using it u should blame rhe system not Ja
Ja is the replacement of Kyrie for Nike, so he can travel/carry the ball whatever way he wants
Morant is always not fair… that’s why he will never be a great player.
“I know it’s the defense fault for not pressing… how can we fix this problem” sounds like your answer is in there somewhere
It’s almost like the defense should be prepared for situations like this😮
@@izjalen then find a way to counter it. Just like the shift in baseball. Want to counter it? Learn to hit the ball opposite field. Find a way to adapt and overcome, not complain and deman a rule change.
@@andrewregard7250 Yea that’s not at all the same thing. In baseball , that’s reading a batter and his tendencies and going off that. The counter is indeed to hit it away from the shift but that takes skill from the batter to stray from his tendencies. BOTH SIDES are involved in high level iq baseball. In this situation (the vid) only the team that has the lead gets this advantage and all it’s adds (as a viewer) is watching one defender come up to cause the offense to touch the ball and they proceed to run back to the other half to play defense. Allowing this doesn’t add anything to the game.. it does the opposite , it takes away game clock that otherwise would’ve been spent on real basketball such as dribbling, passing, shooting, etc. I’ll accept ANYTHING but watching a ball roll on the floor for 24 seconds
It seems like this could be easily defended by just having 1 player defend the inbound. It takes 2 players to inbound the ball and only 1 person to prevent them from doing a lame ass roll inbounds. You don't have to go all out full court press, just have a guard stay to defend the inbound. The defense still has 4vs3 on the other end of the court. There isn't really a mismatch to exploit at that point versus waiting for the ball to roll up to almost half court.
@@danielgloyd4529 valid rebuttal
@@izjalen If you don't like the ball rolling up the court, then write a letter to your teams coach asking him to bench LAZY players who won't play defense... you won't see this happen against a well coached competitive defensive team... this is just happening to teams whose defenses have already conceded the loss...or the nets ... who never play D anyways.
It's very clever and a smart tactic but when you do it every position down the court it becomes extremely annoying. Ja definitely abuses this to the fullest.
Literally just full court press. Or just full court press until the inbound then play half court defense
*possession
Put Alvarado on Ja, you wont see him doing this. That man defend full court 1v1...
@@Awkward_Inc3l right! It's not that difficult to understand lol can't blame a team for being smart when the other team is just stupid and lazy smh you full court press the inbound pass and it's not a problem. It's like if someone was to complain they got knocked tf out when they let the guy punch him in the face 😂
@@pplRretards it's cheap, why run up the clock because you're up by 3? Go out there and beat them by 15 smh
Tbh if this is why you lose a game then no rule change is really gonna help. But just get Jose Alvarado to steals those
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@debiruranbo Not only that, but it's lowkey cheating.
@debiruranbo you didn’t actually watch that game…. last 45sec so the clock stops after every shot, rockets do a full court press and foul/pressure every inbound. I kinda joked before but what Jose does is not an accident coaches have late game strategies and defensive sets to stop teams from wasting time.
Man, that’s not NBA’s fault. That’s the defender’s fault. 😂 They could harass those players to make them hold the ball, but defenders gets lazy and players gets unaware that they’re being kind of “stupid” not defending properly.
Nah, even middle school players know to pressure or steal the roll.
Yeah but the court is much smaller compared to an NBA one which is why's it's hard to play defense in the NBA
Nah honestly. This doesnt need to be changed. Players just need to know how to make the opposing player pick up the ball or you steal it
Easier said than done. They are not playing against middle school players. They are playing against Marcus Smart 1:25
@@donaldli4755 is it that hard to put get up in his and force him to pick the ball? Or just suddenly dive for the ball to gain possession?
@@mmry5 but what about the first clip? Where Ja wastes time by not picking up the ball and inbounding it? How are you supposed to deal with that?
maybe a jumpball should be called for a dead ball of like 5-10 seconds
Or just an outright turnover “if a player doesn’t touch the ball within 5 seconds of inbounding it, he gives up possession to the opposing team”
@@mattmmixes or you can steal the ball who would’ve thought
I prefer steal the ball as legit 🤑
@@konnichiyawa1360 you can try to get a steal within 5 seconds as well nothings stopping you from doing that, just like you can go for a steal when a player is standing in the paint about to be called for standing in the paint for too long
@@mattmmixes or just play defense
100% in favor of the rolling inbound. As the defending team, just pressure the inbounds pass, forcing a real pass and not a roll up. You're about to lose anyway so in theory you should be desperate. It's a very simple solution, force a regular inbound pass and get the shot clock started by forcing a touch. I like the rule because that possession that resulted in a made basket was really cool, it was hectic and generated a distinct advantage off of a gamble from both teams. If the rule also forces more pressure and a hectic style full court, that also makes for better end-game basketball IMO. The team that's down should be desperate to force more mistakes full court anyway.
Flopping is a pretty terrible comparison. Flopping is trying to deceive refs. This inbounds loophole is just gamesmanship from the team that's up. They're challenging the other team. "Play me or your desperate little comeback is done."
Talking about soccer, at the qatar world cup, many people wonder why they give massive 4 to 10 minutes stoppage time. They did it to reduce time taken because of injury or goal celebration. Usually, a goal celebration can take 1 minute, so 3 goal can take 3 minutes from the clock, not to mention free kick and substition can take minutes off the clock too
But the sport and how the time is kept in them are vastly different... What they do in cricket has nothing to do with what they do in basketball. One thing I do know, if I were to pull this off in our shit tier bush league game they'd whistle a technical foul on you and you could kiss goodbye all the ref calls going your way for the rest of the game... That is for sure. It would probably not be straight according to rules, but we out there to play basketball not play with the basketball rulebook.
Why don’t they just stop the time then after a goal or stoppage from an injury?
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Yet didn’t mention the main reason for all the added time VAR 😂😂
@@ayden947 not 100% sure but I think that, even if the clock on the scoreboard keeps going, the ref stops his wrist watch. That's how he knows how much time to add
If it’s apart of the rules then it’s intelligent to take advantage of it in a competitive league where winning directly contributes to success and money. I really loved the new take foul rules and seeing more uneven fast breaks. A way to deter this move would be to have an 8 second count like they do normally but also add in a 10-12 second call that goes with the game clock and not the shot clock. Meaning you can still do that delay of the clock but only 10 seconds at a time max. Or just make it 10 seconds like it used to be and start that counter as soon as the ball comes inbounds whether a player touches it or not. Or start the timer as soon as the ball touches the floor inbounds.
They’ll likely make that rule change in due time. I wouldn’t call it smart when it’s that deliberate and easy to spot out. At that rate, it’s just cheesing and ruining the integrity of the sport. Smart advantages for me is drawing sneaky fouls that look real or how players utilize the gather step tule to make a 3 step not count as a travel. But this time killer loophole is just straight cheese.
Doing this before the last two minutes of 4th quarter is not fair. I wouldn't call it taking advantage, i'd call it just unsportsmanlike.
@@marcorossi2854 "unsportsmanlike" just stop. It's a good play. Hell, I'd make my players deliberately walk the dog every possession until the defense is forced to play full-court, and then use pace to exploit the space of the defense. Rinse and repeat. Should slower pace teams be punished for being slower than the fastest paced teams? No, so then, how that comes about shouldn't matter.
@@a-a-rondavis9438 "Should slower pace teams be punished for being slower than the fastest paced teams?"
They are, it's called a shot clock and it was implemented in 1954. It's also called the 8 second violation and that was introduced in 2001 when it was reduced from 10 seconds.
Rules change and this is one that needs to change.
In europe clock doesnt start until they grab or touch the ball so the game truly has clear play time
No. Game clock always running. But coaches are smart and change players at the end of the game and stop time.
NOT TRUE AT ALL. Clock only stops on a whistle which means it runs when ball is scored. That changes in the last 2 minutes when the clock stops every time the ball is scored. That's why the last 2 minutes feel often so long.
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Rolling the ball up is such a clever play. The first one where he’s stalling picking up the ball I think should be called a delay of game and clock should stop but otherwise the rule is very legal and the easy solution is to press way into the backcourt and pressure Ja into picking it up and starting the shot clock.
You don't even have to press just need one guy to defend the inbound pass lmfao 🤣 everyone crying if you have to press then it's a disadvantage when it's not even a full court press all it is just defending the inbound pass lmfao
@@pplRretards just pull a Grand Theft Alvarado and you’ll be good
coaches might start doing half court traps if that's the case
@@fadercreek they should. Traps have been shown to work well against NBA offenses, I mean look at the Raptors huge comeback against the Mavs a couple years ago. Came back from like 20-something points to win the game and they did it primarily using a full court trap defense.
@@spikehyzer2323 definitely in the spirit of the rules though. Rolling the ball up is something that’s happened for decades. The easy solution is to play defense. Pressure the ball handler in the backcourt so he can’t do that. If that’s in the rules, then so is rolling the ball up and also chucking it to the ref.
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Clock should stop after possession in NBA, don't understand how it doesn't.
Professional players take as much as advantage as they can, so I don't think it's on them for doing so. Same with how they took advantage of drawing fouls for just jumping into their defender while in the shot motion. I think the league needs to focus more on flopping, carries (maybe being more lenient tbh) and cracking down on refs giving technicals for doing little to nothing.
Lebron is one of the main reasons fouls are called all the time. He complained and got his way.
It reminds me of the 1-3-1 trap in the NHL or the shift in baseball. Instead of changing the rules, find a way to beat it. If you can't beat it, that's on you and your teammates and coaching staff for not developing a strategy to counter it. It's all strategy that teams are challenging you to exploit and defeat.
I always wonder why more mlb players don't just bunt when facing a shift alot times the 3rd base side is just completely void of fielders
The 5 second inbound violation used to be a violation if someone inbounds didn't touch it within 5 seconds instead of someone simply releasing the ball inbounds within 5 seconds. They changed the rules and now we have this.
@@tupacalypse88 The argument you will most commonly see, is that a strong slugger on a team thinks that they can do better than a single. A bunt, if successful, is almost always just a single.
If it was just that, then it would be a stupid argument, because even the best hitters average less than a single per at bat. Even Barry Bonds only averaged like 0.6 bases per at bat, and he is one of the all-time leaders.
The real reason you don't see it that much, is pride. Bunting is a skill that needs to be learned, a failed bunt is kinda embarrassing, and if you bunt into the shift, you are doing exactly what the defense wants you to do, so you feel like you shouldn't do it, even though it is probably the most efficient play.
@@anewfuture I can get that kinda like underhand free throw is better but embarrassing. as a fan but haven't played since a kid how hard is bunting as a skill to learn?
I feal like if they did just learn and commit to for like half a year the shift will stop for good.
I can see the NBA changing this and making it a tech
They already have a rule in place for that, "it's called delaying the game". They just need to tweak and enforce that
Agreed. If the defence messes with the ball after a basket is score, it is called. But the offensive player acts like the ball is all of a sudden covered in grease or passing it to the ref is okay? I don't think the ref needs to touch the ball before inbounding after a made basket.
The Delay of game rule is primarily a Defensive foul. It is for preventing the ball being able to be placed back in play.
@@X-Being Clearly an offensive version of the rule is needed too. The ref doesn't need to touch the ball after a made basket and some of those mishandles of the ball before the inbounds are comical.
@@BlakeC27 100% agree, there needs to be modifications. I was just pointing out there was nothing the refs could do atm.
@@X-Being Agreed.
Easy solution is to start the shot clock the moment the ball is inbounded and also link it with the 8 seconds violations.
For the throw-in, I think the referee should start counting for the five second throw-in as soon as the ball is made available to them (right in front of them where they are able to reach out and grab it).
They already start counting for the throw-in (typically the ref furthest away does it), but they could start the back court time limit (8 seconds) at the release of ball being in-bound. It also starts when the player touches in-bounds.
Great video. The defense really need to put more emphasis on not allowing this but I would definitely like to see the league make some changes too. The thing that Jokic and Morant was doing should be stopped by the refs by making the player know that they're doing the five count.
Sadly, they (the refs) can't do that, because the rule book is very specific. There is already a 5-second limit on in-bounding, when the player has full possession of the ball. The rule had to be that way, to prevent opponents from doing things to interfere, such as lagging behind and stepping in front of the refs passing the ball to player.
There is, as well, an 8-second back court time limit, but that doesn't start until in-bound pass is touched by player... that one I have issue with, as it should be from the point the ball in back in the play area.
@@spikehyzer2323 The problem with that, the ball has to be checked to the referee, and depending on the action, may not be right there.
The issue is the shot clock doesn't start until touched, so makes more sense to just have the shot clock start when the player gets the ball from the ref and just increase the shot clock 5 seconds (for the in-bound pass).
Poor sportsmanship
@@spikehyzer2323 So, just to be clear, you lost any respect when you open your comments with an insult.
But, I caution you to double check the NBA Official Rules, especially since the inclusion of Instant Replay.
To be more direct, if following a successful free throw or field goal, and the ball is NOT accessible to the team to throw in, it is designated as a "Dead Ball".
Same is true if the scoring team touches the ball after successful score. The rule was implemented to prevent players from blocking teams from getting to the ball.
Section IV-Dead Ball
a. The ball becomes dead and/or remains dead when the following occurs:
3.Following a successful field goal or free throw that will remain in play, until player possession out-of-bounds.
So, to answer your question... No, I am not. But, then again, I have the ability to discern reasoning details, that checking the ball to the ref is 100% irrelevant to my point... as it is the issue of when the shot clock starts, which is when available to be thrown in...
But, thanks for proving you can be sidetracked with non-issues and completely miss the opportunity for "logical discourse.
@@spikehyzer2323 As for the changes to the shot clock, again, it's not actually a "change" of time, but an off-set to other time limits exploited... namely, the 5 second Throw-In limit and the 8 second back court limit.
it has been said but, refs can start calling delay of game warnings and delay of game penalties on the pre inbound time wasting. But, once the ball is inbounded the ball can be defended. Loved the Celtic's play and on the rare occasion when the ball is being walked up and the defense is able to dive on it and get a jump ball or a steal is a very entertaining play. The talent is elite, so should be the situational awareness of the players and coaches to know the clock.
There is no delay of game rule related to this.
Per the NBA rulebook "A delay-of-game shall be called for: Preventing the ball from being promptly put into play. Interfering with the ball after a successful field goal or free throw. Failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official when a personal foul or violation is assessed."
The ball can be defended, the problem being, they are exploiting the very reason for the shot clock.
As for diving for the ball, per NBA rules "Players cannot 'dive on' or 'jump on' their opponents in an attempt to control a loose ball, or to cause a jump ball.”"
In other words, since the players are shielding the ball it could be a violation of the rule.
If the celtics did that in Athens Belgrade or Istanbul they would get stuff thrown at them and insults. Doing it at 6:30 of 4th quarter when the opposing team is clearly not pressing is straight up unsportsmanlike.
A part of me wants to see a fan run from a courtside seat onto the floor and kick the ball just to let the league know.
I wouldn't even put the onus on the defense because they're trained to defend an active player who clearly has possession or to grab a loose ball. Expecting them to take the bait in this scenario is an injury waiting to happen.
Call it illegal offense: if the ball in within reach, moving parallel with you towards your opponents' basket you have three seconds to dribble, pass or shoot.
Letting the ball roll to kill time is a legit strat.
Although he should have gotten a delay-of-game for that first clip.
I agree, and I don’t find it annoying, it’s actually amusing that defenses don’t pressure more.
@@kg3711 yeah like the first clip with wasting time with the inbound was valid, but once the ball is in play, the defence can simply apply more pressure to get them to pick up the ball sooner
The clock should start when the ball is inbounded on the floor
It's a blatant end around the 8 second rule ... just make the 8 seconds start when the ball comes inbound not when touched.
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Ja dropping the ball when the ref is trying to get him to inbound is definitely an issue, but if the opposing team loses 20 seconds because they refuse to play press defense, that’s their own fault
If you don't want your team to lose out on precious time to mount a comeback, maybe they should.... just play defense so the player picks up the ball!!! Of the many things you can complain about in the nba, this should be at the very bottom of the list.
Love your content but I gotta respectfully disagree with your take. It's not like soccer players faking injuries because the opposing team cannot do anything about that, whereas there's nothing stopping the defense from... actively defending. The Celtics play you showed is a perfect example of offense outsmarting defense. Defenses will adjust over time and better be able to handle this tactic if it continues to trend.
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Fair point
His analogy has nothing to do with countering the tactic, it was comparing it to the spirit of the game. Soccer rules did not intend for players to fake injuries just like NBA rules did not intend for players to camp and roast marshmallows with the ball on the ground. Two different things can be similar depending on what you're comparing. If I say "apples are like oranges because they are both fruits," you can't counter with "you're wrong because one is red and the other is orange."
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@@slimconfucius I appreciate your comment and I agree with you that his point was regarding the spirit of the game, but I don't think it's fair to leave the defensive counter to the tactic out of the analogy. If defenses don't like what it's doing to the spirit of the game they can simply adjust their defensive strategy. Apples to oranges is the phrase used when comparing two things that really shouldn't be compared because they're not similar enough. These two situations are similar in the same way that apples and oranges are fruit, but different in that the defensive ability to respond doesn't exist in one sport and does in the other.
Comparing this to soccer players literally faking injuries is such a stupid take. If the other team wants to prevent it, press. It's that simple. If they don't feel like playing defense, they are going to get punished for it.
I don't think this needs to stop. If you don't want the other team to just run out the clock, go play some damn defense.
Basketball is not just a game of Talent but also Tactics! The Football comparison is way way far from basketball! Yeah they both milking clock strategy but faking injury is different from not touching the ball ! Yeah the football thing should be change i agree but in basketball that's totally fine!
It's not the game rule fault its the defender sloppy behaviour! They just abusing defender st*pidity!!! The defender should adjust not the rules!
I think the best way to fix this is to start the 8 second count AND shot clock as soon as the ball touches the court whether a player touches it or not.
like soccer the clock never stops
You can't start a shot clock if someone does not have possession.
or ya know play defense like they should and stop crying about a game you do nothing more then watch
I believe every game/sport is going to be played the way the rules of the game allow or don’t allow. If you change some rules you can drastically alter the way the game unfolds. In pro sports it seems they don’t like changing rules too much. Maybe it affects the history and records within the sport. I don’t really like winning by killing the clock that way in the NBA. No good reason I guess, it just doesn’t seem sportsmanlike. I prefer stop clock but understand the arguments against.
My opinion is if the game clock is running the shot clock should be running as well, meaning that you are draining your backcourt time too.
I was just at the Nuggets game vs the Grizzlies and Ja does this alot 🤣🤣
Sure you were bud.
@@Mudblud 3rd row. Ball Arena. 12/20/22. Bud.
Travelling, attitude, 3 pointers, dunking...The NBA has become UNWATCHABLE...Raise the rim to 11' and change the way the game is played. For Heaven's sake there are 12 year olds dunking, why should I pay to watch "Pros" do it?
People have been walking the ball up the court without touching it to either save shot clock or run time forever.
The new NBA, 90s he woulda got socked. I understand it, it's just how the game is now. Most games are unwatchable
The part where they let the ball roll once it's inbounded can be rectified by the defense pressing. The "I can't catch the ball even though I'm a professional athlete" schtick after a made basket should be called a delay of game. There now it's all fixed! 😉
I thought about it and it's kinda hard to fix.
The first thing I considered is starting the shot clock (and game clock after 2:00 mark) as soon as the ball leaves the inbounder's hands. The problem is that it takes away the Hail-Mary play when a team is down less than a bucket with 1s or so to go and makes the game less exciting.
Then I thought just stop the clock after each bucket in the 4th quarter like side-out plays. But that would mean an increase in game duration and that's also problematic for the league as they're trying to stick to a schedule of 2h30m per game.
So I thought maybe give the refs the ability to call delay-of-game warning, then technical free throws (a la def-3secs) after the first time. But without a clear criteria for the call to be made, as it is really hard to narrow that down, it would have to be at the referee's discretion. And man, nobody, I mean not a single soul wants the refs to have any more power to influence a game than they already do.
How about start the clock after the ball either touches a player or the ground?
@@jeppep95 That actually makes sense and eliminate the “walk the dog” BS.
Just take back the old 5 seconds. The 5 seconds end when someone touches the ball, not on the release of the ball.
@@marcorossi2854 the downside with that is that it limits longer passes since they take more time
Just do what I did. I stopped watching NBA about 10 years ago. I now spend that time with my wife!
Rule #1 - If a player does not make a concerted attempt to inbound the ball in a reasonable time, the referee can issue a warning, followed by a technical.
Rule #2 - If a team inbounding does not touch the ball within 5 seconds of it touching the floor, a violation is called awarding 1 free throw (but still remaining possession).
I think these 2 rules would fix it right up and not change the spirit of the current game.
#2 used to be a rule but they changed it to 5 seconds to inbound the ball instead because it was easier for the referees to know whether there was a violation or not and less arguments that way.
Ja is becoming an annoying person, doesn't he realise that some of us fans have important things to do after a game.
An easy way to change it is to start the 8-second violation countdown as soon as the ball is inbounded by a player.
that would take away opportunity to make a long pass, when there is almost no time on clock, for spectacular game winning plays. I would propose implementation of a different rule to start the clock. not only when after inbound, the ball touches player, but also when the ball touches the ground. Easy and simple fix....
Hockey : Guy gets laid out.
"Keep your head up guy."
For me, it's just a smart way to kill time. But I have to admit that when it's more than 10 seconds, it's annoying. So maybe a new rule for that, like a call after 10 seconds or something.
or ya know just play defense+
This is mega STUPID. After the basket a player has possession of the ball and passes the ball to his teammate!!!!! Why isn’t the 24 counting? It’s not like the ball was inbounded by itself....
I totally agree.... that pisses me off when guys do that. It kind of says we are not good enough to hold our lead and we need to get that clock down while we are ahead cuz we will lose if we have to play the extra seconds. Another good video Stephan. Thanks.
It's also saying that the other team doesn't want to play defense. Two lazy teams wasting time, and doesn't want to compete. NBA is a failed professional game.
huh? Walk the dog is a good strategy. Play defense then, scrub. I bet your idol Jordan NEVER walked the dog...right?
2:48 there’s an easy solution: the 8 second violation goes off of the game clock, not shot clock
In soccer/football people call it "time wasting"
Just press them after made buckets. Doesn't even have to be with great intensity but just to make sure the ball is touched.
I would say to add another 5-8 seconds rule. You already have one for getting the ball inbound, for going to the next half court, a shoot clock and paint violation. A 5 seconds rule to get the first touch on the inbound should be an easy one to implement.
Walking the dog just means the other team has bad and lazy defense.
I'm a little confused but why is the clock still running after a made basket at 0:01? Doesn't the clock stop and resume once the inbound is made and the player touches it? Why is the clock running during a made basket and throughout the inbound?
Player should have 3 sec to pick up the ball. It effects no other part of the game
Unprofessional? I'd argue it's among the most professional things to do.
If you don’t like them doing it against you stop them! It’s simple!
2 things
1. if you need this to stop
if a team made a basket and the other team doesnt get the ball immediately, the referee should act quick and get the ball for the inbounder..
2. its also the opposing teams fault, thats why your guards should always defend the reciever of the inbound after a made basket
If you don't like it, steal the ball. It's right there on the floor.
They won't be happy until they're as popular as WNBA.
I always thought that this is an unfixable bug in NBA2K.
This is just another example of how bad the NBA is.
the only solution is to stop running clock already
EVERYONE IS COPYING JA MORANT's MOVE!!!!
my understanding from being a fiba referee (low level) was that when the ball becomes live (when it touches a player) thats when the 5 second count ends so maybe that needs to be introduced to the NBA
NBA will stop the clock in the future.
Defense can speed up this action .. 🏀🏀🏀
Sports have become a complete clown show
The other team needs to pressure the ball.
I like it. It's a strategy.
If the defense doesn't like it, they should make a threat to grab the ball instead of just heading back to the basket and assuming the offense will "kindly" bring the ball up. It promotes a full court game instead of a half court game every possession.
In some of these plays, you can see the offensive player(s) daring the defense to take the ball and with the Celtics, even having an offensive "blocker" like its an NFL play.
The only thing I don't like is stalling time before inbounding because the defensive player can't do anything about it while the inbounder is acting all dumb and fake clumsy. In these cases, it should be the ref's discretion to call a kind of "delay of game" technical foul.
The difference with football is that when players fake injuries that time at the end is added on the NBA this types of technics to loose time wont be added. Despite that if my team needs the W and this helps I support it. Everything for the W bro, don’t care if the people don’t like it.
This doesn't add anyything to the competitive nature of the sport... it's anticlimatic and nobody wants unnecessary advantages given to the winning team. They should really patch this one up
Ja did this again against the Hornets. He ate up 30 seconds while everyone on Charlotte just watched. It might be dirty, but it’s smart and legal.
If anything, this is the defense fault...If you don't want this to happen to you then go and defend full court like old times!
Pro players are so much less active than college. Offenses also stand around to “clear out” for set plays that amount to one on ones, instead of cutting and passing.
I think soccer flops are more against the spirit of the game. To me, this exploits a defensive strategy failure, so I like it!
This doesnt surprise me. The players these days do whatever they can to avoid actually playing a professional game
In don’t think it’s the same as soccer.
In basketball, you can instantaneously put a stop to this with defense.
This actually shouldn't even be a thing. The rule states "...when the ball is inbounded..." not "...when a player touches the ball...". This literally shouldn't be a thing already. It's already a foul should be a 5 second call, it's just ignored because why not
Here is the rule. It says nothing about the 24 second clock. There is also a delay of game rule which is violated when the offense doesn't inbound the ball "promptly". The officials can fix this problem by simply starting to count once the ball is passed onto the court. The purpose of the 24 second clock is to stop teams from doing exactly this.
A team shall not be in continuous possession of a ball which is in its backcourt for more than 8 consecutive seconds.
EXCEPTION (1): A new 8 seconds is awarded if the defense: (1) kicks or punches the ball, (2) is assessed a personal or technical foul, or (3) is issued a delay of game warning.
EXCEPTION (2): A new 8 seconds is awarded: (1) if play is suspended to administer Comments on the Rules-N-Infection Control, (2) when a team gains control of a jump ball in the backcourt, or (3) during a frontcourt throw-in into the backcourt in the last two minutes of the fourth and last two minutes of any overtime period.
PENALTY: Loss of ball. The ball is awarded to the opposing team at the midcourt line.
wasting time before an inbound should be addressed by the NBA. but wasting time after an inbound by not touching the ball should be addressed by the OPPOSING TEAM.
wasting time before inbounding should be adress as a technical foul. But sorry wasting time after inbounding it's a defensive problem. You should defend hard and put pressure on your opponent when you are behind at score
Start the goddamn clock right away. "THAT'S THE DEFENSIVE TEAM'S PROBLEM IF THEY DON'T PUT PRESSURE TO THE OTHER TEAM." True, but that also takes away the pressure of making offensive plays out of the other team. If the offensive team has that pressure, the pressure to put up a defense for the other team will still be there. The pressure to put up a defense will always be there regardless, so what was actually happening is the time being consumed for no reason whatsoever. The fans and the defensive team are the ones getting robbed. Ultimately, if the clock would right away after the inbound, the fans will get the best value cos then we'd see more of actual basketball, more planning for coaches to actually make plays on close matches, etc.
Heat Check, I do like your videos and for sure agree with you about these time-eating plays, or better - non-plays... BUT... Do you REALLY find Jokic in the same story with the others... Just watch the video by yourself and then be honest as much as you can...
Inbounds, shouldn't require the ref, like Europe. If you can grab it fast and go, they should.
Otherwise, for the delay. I do like 3-5 seconds to get the ball out of the hoop (max). And ball once inbounded and HITS THE FLOOR or players hand should start the clock.