@@bigbelconut No. The only difference is the cam and the timing set uses gears instead of sprockets and chain. Everything else is the same (accept the firing order). Block, heads, crank, rods... Even the transmission can be made to go both ways by just flipping over the pump, which is easy to do. Ford was not going to build a special reverse rotation motor just to sell a few to the marine industry. That same motor with a simple cam and timing chain swap and a change of the plug wires would make it a standard rotation. The real issue they are going to find is if they upgrade the cam in the RR motor they will find almost nothing to choose from and will require a custom ground cam and that's money.
@@hicksgarage3448oil pump is the same. The pistons will be put on backwards due to the offsetting in spacing where the pin passes through. They wear better on the pressure, or outside of the piston skirt. Those engines used 390 heads.
Back in the mid eighties, I had a 1965 Trojan, 36', with a pair of 427 Fords. They made 350 per side. GREAT engines! Pushed that 36' mahogany boat up on plane, no sweat.
Salt water marine mechanic here. That looks like fresh water use only. Where I work it would be all rusted rotted manifold risers . Nice work guys . Ps one motor is reverse rotation. Firing order and distributor starter water pump are different. Those have heat exchangers only exhaust elbow see raw water from bay lake etc . Will need new water pump rubber impeller. Running dry burns them out quickly. Jabsco probably. Save all Chris Craft stuff worth money to collectors .
@@tankboy8901 It would be a shame to remove to those engines but you and I both know ford marine applications included HP cams and factory ported heads along with water cooled exhaust manifolds. They would make nice flat bottom mills ,or pop a blower in one and drop it in a pickle fork. Just dreamin.
wow! You got two solid runners. I have a 64 chris craft commander. # 27 of the first 50 Glass boats they ever built. check your serial number under the engine hatch or on the back side of the drawers I have the Chris craft Bible tells how many were built color etc. from 1927 to the mid 80's Bro a good clean up inside and out and you got yourself a real American Classic cruiser.
i think they need to know how to read first then look at the owners manuals in the cabin second and third get them away from such a great old classic chris craft roamer
I serviced those engines and have operated that exact boat. It was so cool. I was 18 and it was biggest boat I had ever operated. Later I qualified on helms and planes on the USS Salmon. A much bigger boat.
Hell, those 427's book out at some 20K each. the Hart Cut Mahogany Planing, is Coveted, by Violin Bow Makers. A Good Friend bought a Violin at a Garage Sale, for 20 bucks, had it Appraised, and the Damn Bow, was some Rare Old one, from Europe, got 1K for just the Bow.. Also, All those Bronze Fastening are also Sot After.. If the Chris is to far gone to Restore they have a Good Value to the Wooden Boat World.. Have Fun, Good Luck...
I drag raced those old 427 Fords back in the early 1970’s. There are numerous versions Ford made with different style heads but these marine 427’s are very mild versions but good engines. I worked on an old Chris Craft that had a pair. I drove the boat about 75 miles up river near Nashville for the owner to move it from one marina to another. It drove really well. The one he had was I believe a 1972 40 foot Flush Deck. It was fiberglass.
I found the same thing back in 2005. Kept one for my Shelby build and sold the other for $5,500. That paid for the cost of a complete professional rebuild on the one I used. I paid $1,000 each for the engines.
NICE FIND! and NICE JOB! yes give them both a tune-up. an L.O.F. a spit shine and HE"LL give you guys one hell of a ride. GREAT JOB! Hope you got a good deal/steal
Gentlemen the left on a boat is called port and the right is called starboard. front of boat is called forward and rear is called the stern. and some people when they have put oil in cylinders cover the spark plug holes with cardboard or something even a rag to keep the oil from covering everything when it shoots out. also some let the oil sit for a week before they spin motor to allow oil time to loosen everything up. Glad to see young men doing something besides playing computer games... Keep working and learning...
@davidsandberg7631 Front is called the bow, David. Also, easy way to remember is this; all the short words of the pair go together in the same column. As in the following sequence; Left Right Port Starboard Red Green >>>>Marker light colors on Bow/Channel Marker Bouys Read downward. Left>Port>Red.......Right>Starboard>Green. All apply as you face forward towards the Bow.
@@DarkFlamage, I remember Port and Starboard this way: Port is a four-letter word, and P comes before S in the Alphabet. I use my hands; my left hand is also a four-letter word, so my left hand is Port, and my right hand is Starboard.
I think the reason the starboard engine didn’t crank with the key is the neutral safety switch. That engine seems to be in gear (the prop spinning). Put the shifter in neutral and she might start right up
A boat collector, i.e., a wealthy man, will pay big money if you restore that boat. As a bonus, you will also learn how to work with wood. I'm subscribed with a thumb-up.
Pull the raw water pump I'm sure the impeller needs to be changed. Looks like it's a raw water cooled block as well. Not great for block if ever run in salt water and not properly flushed out. There's so much I would do before I would run those engines again. It's a wet exhaust, please don't run without raw water and the intake. Check youtube for marine engine checkup.
Had a 67 41 footer. This brings back memories. Good for them for trying but the lack of knowledge sure shows. Great way to learn by doing. Hope they have someone that can help teach them.
This is coming from a career Auto/truck Mechanic/technician, I have to give you some unsolicited opinions, these engines have to be the best running engines after sitting dormant for I believe you stated 11 years, I have encountered. It doesn't emit any lifter noise, and if I were you I would change the oil, when the time comes, and replace it with a good name brand Synthetic oil, don't scrimp on cost, it's important. I'm going to try keeping in touch with you guys or you can do the same with me, if you don't mind communicating with a retired 75 y/o wrench, I'll be glad to help out as much as possible. I'm a new subb, left a thumbs up, and a tap on the bell. I wish you luck with this project, I mean that in a good way.
No you don't want to run synthetic oil in these engines because they will start to leak oil like crazy because these old engines weren't machined on the valve cover and oil pan surfaces to be perfectly flat and they will start to leak oil . The other thing is these engines used flat tappet cam & lifters and it needs to have oil that has zinc in it so the cam & lifters don't go flat . I would use some Shell rotella Diesel oil in a lighter weight oil because it has the zinc needed for these engines . You could use some Valvoline regular motor oil and add a can of zinc to it or even STP because it has the zzdp in it which is zinc . I build old car engines some that are used for drag racing and if it's a engine running the flat tappet solid lifter or flat tappet hydraulic cam & lifters you have to run zinc in the oil during engine break in or chances are the cam will go flat and the lifters will wear the lobes off of the cam . Most modern day engines are now using roller cam & lifters so there's no need to use the zinc in the oil. Lately there's been a lot of friends I know who are in the same car club I'm in that have built their own engines and had them broke in on a engine dyno and they had cam & lifter failure even with the zinc in the oil and it's because some of the cam shaft manufacturers here are having the cams and lifters made over seas in China and the quality of these cams and lifters are not very good at times or hardened correctly . The cam lobes are machined a certain way that makes the lifters spin in the lifter bores in the engine block & if they can't spin freely like they should the lifters & cam lobes grind themselves to death causing all kinds of metal particles to get circulated through the engine which means a full engine tear down & inspection to make sure nothing was damaged from the metal particles being circulated through the engine because even a oil filter won't stop all of it . Roller cams are the way to go but they are very expensive and most don't want to spend the money upgrading to that type of valve train because they are on a budget but in my opinion if you go full roller your saving yourself the hassle of not having to worry about cam & lifter failures like can happen with the old flat tappet cam & lifters have happen.
@@chuckschillingvideos these aren't side oilers either, these are just 427 standard oil pan, low rpm marine engines. They are not desirable in the car world.
Chris Craft did use 427FE blocks, however they are not side oilers like a lot of people believe. However being lower output engines built for torque they used the 390FE small valve heads and intakes, but they did use solid lifters with adjustable rocker arms. So if you’re building an engine to make power all that’s useful is the short block and rocker assemblies.
I had a gallon of Marvell Mystery oil in their newer hard clear plastic bottle instead of metal. Dropped it 2 feet and shattered like GLASS! Dummies could have used a different bit cloudy type plastic that would have bounced but it looks prettiest in clear!
They do that on purpose, same as Maguire paint polish products. Had a brand new bottle of polish and dropped it by accident and it shattered. I was so angry, but what did i do? bought a new bottle because i like the polish. If they put it in a different plastic it wouldn't break. Those blasters....They not the dummies, we are. hahaha. Not you, me>🤣
Hey guys, I owned a 1968 Chris Craft Roamer, 37’, in aluminum, for more than 20 years. I sold it 3 years ago. Same 427’s. I’d be happy to answer any questions you might have.
Guys, I'd strongly recommend goin over to junkyard digs and watch every carb video they have. Also little fyi about boats. Usually they have a switch somewhere that controls where your sending power. To one or both engines or your accessories etc. I'd look into that. Also yeah whatever amount of gas your giving it is certainly not enough. When you think you have enough. Fill it more. I'd also recommend getting something and tapping the crap around the carbs. Most certainly your seats and everything is seazed. Personally anytime something has been sitting boat wise. Yank the carbs and do a rebuilt. It's gonna be needed to run decently and your accelerator pump is usually frozen anyhow. Once you get these ol girls running OK enough. Get yourself a few cans of berryman b12. Dump one into your main source of fuel. Then once your engine comes up to temp. Take the other can. And while revving it hard. Slowly feed it the berryman strait down the yap. Rev her like mad. Then use your palm to cut off the air which creates negative pressure and will give it a good chance to get rid of any buildup. Just try to educate yourself sub to Derek over at vice grip garage, or junkyard digs or pole barn garage. You'll learn everything you need to know about working on basic older cars and such. If you get stuck feel free to send me a message. I'll come out and help if I can anytime. Whatever it takes to keep these old boats on the water I think we should do it
PB blaster or even WD40 is your friend to free up linkages. Looks like a lot of work, but both those bit ole ford engines sound pretty good really. Good luck.
Thats one way to get em going... Good job, but they probably will start when you have the Transmissions or reverse gears in Neutral. It's a funny little thing the industry did so you go flying back up the boat dock...
WOW !!!! very proud of you guys . I have a 41 Chris Craft Roamer that I restored. If you need any advice or suggestions please feel free to contact me. I also have the 427's like yours. with a ton of extra parts along with two extra 427s. and part numbers . I also have two you tube videos. "Chris Craft Roamer Restoration." Good luck and safe boating
Thanks for helping these Boys out instead of giving them crap like some of these people. They are young and trying the best they know how . I would bet you know your business Sir . Again thaks for offering them help . We were all young once .
This video is very entertaining! But I would put the drives in neutral before starting those old engines. Good luck! Definitely worth saving that boat. Do a "Go fund me" to save the disadvantaged Chris Craft!
Get yourself a few cans of PB blaster spray in the spark plug holes work that engine back and forth easy so you don’t break a ring my buddy about 10 years ago bought a Case 521 loader with a seized Cummins engine we took the heads off and sprayed everyday 3-4 cans of PB blaster put a big pipe wrench on the crank back and forth easy it finally broke free he still uses the Case to this day
growing up My Dad his Buddies and my Grandfather all Swore MarvelMystery Oil was ATF with MineralSpirits or some form of Petroleum based Paint Thinner /Cleaner ,etc ? Oddly enough in later years my Dad did buy MarvelMystery Oil to. Put in Cylinders of Antique Cars he would purchase or put in Storage I’ve always kept a couple of Antique style triggervPump Oil Cans in the Engine rooms that I filled with Marvel to Squirt on or Lubricate whatever I Saw Fit those Oil Cans are reproduction Brass ones Walmart sells and have a long Nozzle that is easy to put a length of hose on to reach hard to get items
On a side note you may have total system electronic controls for each engine as well as your shore power and battery depending on what you want running.
If you can put some upper cylinder lub in the gas that will lub everything from fuel pump to valves and rings...which will be alot easier to start once the engines have been warmed up and running for awhile.
Maybe the starboard side would not start with the key because of a neutral safety switch cut out. Have to have the engine out of gear to engage the starter with the key.
The Kohler generator is mostlikly a 6.5kw with a Kohler L600 engine. Would be happy to send you the manuals. On the foward bulkhead is a white box "Englhart" on it. This a corroison controller.
28:05 There's why it won't start with the key, the rumble you hear in the background is the wheel (propeller) shaft turning. The shift control has a neutral switch in it, the motor is in gear!
According to SDS (Safety Data Sheet) Marvel Mystery Oil is 70% high grade mineral oil 20% solvent and the rest to make it work..no better choice for soaking into gummed parts..
At time stamp 4:31, I am suspecting you’re not going to put the boat back into service, but remove the engines and dismantle it. Too bad. The CC Roamers were really nice boats back in their prime.
I'm a huge Chris Craft fan but that's really not important. Some thoughts. You'll make money of that boat any way you do it. Put the engines in cars and market used parts of the boat to Chris Craft enthusiast group or market it whole now that the engines are confirmed as running. That company used to be Huge. So big it was responsible for the start of Fox News. Chris Craft Industries used to own communications. Now they have high quality 25' to 38ft boats. Anyway, look on line make a few connections and see if there's still any interest for the Roamer. In fact, there are so many different models of Chris Crafts that there is a Chris Craft Roamer group. Have fun, make some $$$
i commented these boats are extremely rare, rare lke hens teeth an horse feathers, alot of parts there to, like you said theres alot of money either way they go about it.
Not for nothin , but if these 2 guys hadn’t step forward with the enthusiasm & blissful ignorance of youth , this boat would never had shaken back to life with the start up of those twin V-8s . Only a dreamer would look at that tired old yacht & see what once was
@@mikepotter6426 it was years ago that I first noticed from the elevated section of the NJ Turnpike, an old River Yacht was tied up to an old dilapidated pier . Years & years had gone by & I witnessed its slow disintegration until nothing was left , not even the pier . No one was coming to the rescue of this boat , you couldn’t give it away
Are you going to fix up the boat ? Its beautiful. Dont listen to some of these jerks giving you crap . There is a couple of Gentleman offering advice if you need it . Good luck !
Use Valvoline racing oil , it will protect the flat tappet cam as it has zinc in it . Newer oils for roller cam engines don't and it will destroy the cam lobes over time.
You in Los Angeles? Use Kroll oil in the cylinders! It’s a really good penetrating oil the best cities use them! If there’s water in the cylinders you might have to take the heads off and clean them?
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Strange power combo, C/Cs usually had a pair of Chrysler 440s
A syringe works wonders, you only need a coating. A 1966 Egg Harbor was towed into my marina 34 years ago with two 427 Fords and there was a line of trucks waiting to buy them because the guy was scrapping the boat. One gent walked up while I was on the forklift hoisting the starboard engine out and pulled out $20K in cash and said he would be going home with the engines. Time stamp 3:55, you are turning the water pump, you should be trying the crank pulley at the bottom with a socket and breaker bar. Hence the issue at time stamp 6:40. Great view of the spare parts lower starboard side of the carburetor at time stamp 22:30. You didn't cut the fuel line to the carb on the starboard engine which is why it kept running? And you are running it with no water going in.
I would NOT run them at all without cooling water and the cutlass bearings are taking a hiding without water lubing them. So is the water pump impeller.
Those old 427's may be worth more than the whole boat.
The reverse rotation is worth nothing, only good patrs are the block and heads.
@@bigbelconut No. The only difference is the cam and the timing set uses gears instead of sprockets and chain. Everything else is the same (accept the firing order). Block, heads, crank, rods... Even the transmission can be made to go both ways by just flipping over the pump, which is easy to do. Ford was not going to build a special reverse rotation motor just to sell a few to the marine industry. That same motor with a simple cam and timing chain swap and a change of the plug wires would make it a standard rotation. The real issue they are going to find is if they upgrade the cam in the RR motor they will find almost nothing to choose from and will require a custom ground cam and that's money.
@@finscreenname needs cam, oil pump and starter
@@hicksgarage3448oil pump is the same. The pistons will be put on backwards due to the offsetting in spacing where the pin passes through. They wear better on the pressure, or outside of the piston skirt.
Those engines used 390 heads.
@@bigbelconut Isn't it just a cam and timing change for the reverse rotation???
1967 Ford 427 side oilers, worth more than your Granny's farm, don't hurt em!!!!
Back in the mid eighties, I had a 1965 Trojan, 36', with a pair of 427 Fords. They made 350 per side. GREAT engines! Pushed that 36' mahogany boat up on plane, no sweat.
Reminds me of when I was young and learning.
Iv'e come across some hacks in my life but these two have taken it to a new level 😂😂😂
I've said it before and was about to say it again.
They seem to be younger guys so I'm guessing they're learning as they go which is really cool to see.
Will I learn something, marvel mystery oil in the cylinders is a great idea. More power to them for hopping in there and doing their thing.
What did they do wrong? I mean they were just testing to see if they could get them to run not truly repair anything.
@@LHarry-c2tThe guy is just a clown who has never accomplished anything mechanical in his whole life beyond a 3.5 Briggs and Stratton, if that.
You got to give these two young guys “A” for effort.
You have to start somewhere.
Cheers
Salt water marine mechanic here. That looks like fresh water use only.
Where I work it would be all rusted rotted manifold risers .
Nice work guys .
Ps one motor is reverse rotation.
Firing order and distributor starter water pump are different.
Those have heat exchangers only exhaust elbow see raw water from bay lake etc .
Will need new water pump rubber impeller. Running dry burns them out quickly. Jabsco probably.
Save all Chris Craft stuff worth money to collectors .
Nice work what are you high?
@@MichaelLyons-h4ishut up goofball...they are young kids
@@MichaelLyons-h4i Are you?...
@@MegaDirtyberty you don't have a clue. Bran dead much? 🤷🏻
@@MichaelLyons-h4i Salty little guy ain't ya 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You got some mighty fine engines there
Those 427s sound great and are worth some bucks. Chriscraft were top of the line boats back in the day. Beautiful old boat.
@@tankboy8901 It would be a shame to remove to those engines but you and I both know ford marine applications included HP cams and factory ported heads along with water cooled exhaust manifolds. They would make nice flat bottom mills ,or pop a blower in one and drop it in a pickle fork. Just dreamin.
wow! You got two solid runners. I have a 64 chris craft commander. # 27 of the first 50 Glass boats they ever built.
check your serial number under the engine hatch or on the back side of the drawers I have the Chris craft Bible tells how many were built color etc. from 1927 to the mid 80's
Bro a good clean up inside and out and you got yourself a real American Classic cruiser.
i think they need to know how to read first then look at the owners manuals in the cabin second and third get them away from such a great old classic chris craft roamer
No water might wreck the water pumps..But bravo that you got this far...:)..
What a gorgeous old boat, and massive money pit.
What boat isn’t a money pit?
A boat is a big hole in the water you put money into & never get it back
Bust
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Massive money pit if you don't know how to take care of them.
Keep going fellas! It might be a diamond in the rough!
I serviced those engines and have operated that exact boat. It was so cool. I was 18 and it was biggest boat I had ever operated. Later I qualified on helms and planes on the USS Salmon. A much bigger boat.
Hell, those 427's book out at some 20K each. the Hart Cut Mahogany Planing, is Coveted, by Violin Bow Makers. A Good Friend bought a Violin at a Garage Sale, for 20 bucks, had it Appraised, and the Damn Bow, was some Rare Old one, from Europe, got 1K for just the Bow.. Also, All those Bronze Fastening are also Sot After.. If the Chris is to far gone to Restore they have a Good Value to the Wooden Boat World.. Have Fun, Good Luck...
Great video Great channel 😊
I drag raced those old 427 Fords back in the early 1970’s. There are numerous versions Ford made with different style heads but these marine 427’s are very mild versions but good engines. I worked on an old Chris Craft that had a pair. I drove the boat about 75 miles up river near Nashville for the owner to move it from one marina to another. It drove really well. The one he had was I believe a 1972 40 foot Flush Deck. It was fiberglass.
I found the same thing back in 2005. Kept one for my Shelby build and sold the other for $5,500. That paid for the cost of a complete professional rebuild on the one I used. I paid $1,000 each for the engines.
NICE FIND! and NICE JOB! yes give them both a tune-up. an L.O.F. a spit shine and HE"LL give you guys one hell of a ride. GREAT JOB! Hope you got a good deal/steal
This Gillian"s Island Old Timer Tv Series. The SS Minnow was a 1964 Wheeler powered by a 230hp Detroit Diesel... Great job on your Video!
Gentlemen the left on a boat is called port and the right is called starboard. front of boat is called forward and rear is called the stern. and some people when they have put oil in cylinders cover the spark plug holes with cardboard or something even a rag to keep the oil from covering everything when it shoots out. also some let the oil sit for a week before they spin motor to allow oil time to loosen everything up. Glad to see young men doing something besides playing computer games... Keep working and learning...
Forward is “bow”.
@@Chris-jm4zk or prow
@@JoeV-k5r that’s more of a precise location the prow being the very forward-most point of the boat.
@davidsandberg7631 Front is called the bow, David. Also, easy way to remember is this; all the short words of the pair go together in the same column. As in the following sequence;
Left Right
Port Starboard
Red Green >>>>Marker light colors on Bow/Channel Marker Bouys
Read downward. Left>Port>Red.......Right>Starboard>Green. All apply as you face forward towards the Bow.
@@DarkFlamage, I remember Port and Starboard this way: Port is a four-letter word, and P comes before S in the Alphabet. I use my hands; my left hand is also a four-letter word, so my left hand is Port, and my right hand is Starboard.
OMG ❤😊 this is so exciting!🎉
Love what you fellers are doing with the boat.
I think the reason the starboard engine didn’t crank with the key is the neutral safety switch. That engine seems to be in gear (the prop spinning). Put the shifter in neutral and she might start right up
Exactly right
Prop will spin, no drag on it
That transmission is in gear,, Watch when the engine Quits the prop stops immediately@@chip9177
Looks like the youtube algorithm is giving you a shot, good luck!
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A boat collector, i.e., a wealthy man, will pay big money if you restore that boat. As a bonus, you will also learn how to work with wood. I'm subscribed with a thumb-up.
If I recall correctly the Roamers had either steel or aluminium hulls.
@@edwardpate6128 That should make restoring the boat that much easier.
Pull the raw water pump I'm sure the impeller needs to be changed. Looks like it's a raw water cooled block as well. Not great for block if ever run in salt water and not properly flushed out. There's so much I would do before I would run those engines again. It's a wet exhaust, please don't run without raw water and the intake. Check youtube for marine engine checkup.
Exactly
Had a 67 41 footer. This brings back memories. Good for them for trying but the lack of knowledge sure shows. Great way to learn by doing. Hope they have someone that can help teach them.
Hey Lads that was fun to watch so good luck on whatever your doing.
Thanks 👍
These Ford FE 427ci V8 motors are very valuable.........cool.
Thanks 👍
Port and Starboard on a boat young fellers. That was me in the train going by blowing the horn to tell you get some new spark plus.
Those old Ford 427 engines are encredible tough engines
This is coming from a career Auto/truck Mechanic/technician, I have to give you some unsolicited opinions, these engines have to be the best running engines after sitting dormant for I believe you stated 11 years, I have encountered. It doesn't emit any lifter noise, and if I were you I would change the oil, when the time comes, and replace it with a good name brand Synthetic oil, don't scrimp on cost, it's important. I'm going to try keeping in touch with you guys or you can do the same with me, if you don't mind communicating with a retired 75 y/o wrench, I'll be glad to help out as much as possible. I'm a new subb, left a thumbs up, and a tap on the bell. I wish you luck with this project, I mean that in a good way.
Thanks 👍
No you don't want to run synthetic oil in these engines because they will start to leak oil like crazy because these old engines weren't machined on the valve cover and oil pan surfaces to be perfectly flat and they will start to leak oil . The other thing is these engines used flat tappet cam & lifters and it needs to have oil that has zinc in it so the cam & lifters don't go flat . I would use some Shell rotella Diesel oil in a lighter weight oil because it has the zinc needed for these engines . You could use some Valvoline regular motor oil and add a can of zinc to it or even STP because it has the zzdp in it which is zinc . I build old car engines some that are used for drag racing and if it's a engine running the flat tappet solid lifter or flat tappet hydraulic cam & lifters you have to run zinc in the oil during engine break in or chances are the cam will go flat and the lifters will wear the lobes off of the cam . Most modern day engines are now using roller cam & lifters so there's no need to use the zinc in the oil. Lately there's been a lot of friends I know who are in the same car club I'm in that have built their own engines and had them broke in on a engine dyno and they had cam & lifter failure even with the zinc in the oil and it's because some of the cam shaft manufacturers here are having the cams and lifters made over seas in China and the quality of these cams and lifters are not very good at times or hardened correctly . The cam lobes are machined a certain way that makes the lifters spin in the lifter bores in the engine block & if they can't spin freely like they should the lifters & cam lobes grind themselves to death causing all kinds of metal particles to get circulated through the engine which means a full engine tear down & inspection to make sure nothing was damaged from the metal particles being circulated through the engine because even a oil filter won't stop all of it . Roller cams are the way to go but they are very expensive and most don't want to spend the money upgrading to that type of valve train because they are on a budget but in my opinion if you go full roller your saving yourself the hassle of not having to worry about cam & lifter failures like can happen with the old flat tappet cam & lifters have happen.
427 are really good things to be finding.. the best motor ever in the world.. Ford FE 427
You're thinking of the 427 side oiler or the 427 race cammer.
@@fmbbeachbum8163 These are the side oilers. Definitely not the cammer.
@@chuckschillingvideos these aren't side oilers either, these are just 427 standard oil pan, low rpm marine engines. They are not desirable in the car world.
🎶 Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale... 🎶 😅😅😅😅😅
Couldn't help it😅
Definitely got some Gilligan action going on.
Subbed because i want to see this project succeed! I want to hear those beasts screaming at 5,000 rpm down the water!
👍 Same!
A bottomless pit… Great Video 👍🏻
I can’t even say how I feel now. Mystery oil is the best thing I’ve ever used as a mystery solver.
Nice job young fella's !!! 👍👍👍
The boat appears to have good bones. Consider fixing it up and keep it
Mystery oil is not atf
But, but but it's red!!! 😲🙄
@@dennisschell5543😂
Chris Craft did use 427FE blocks, however they are not side oilers like a lot of people believe. However being lower output engines built for torque they used the 390FE small valve heads and intakes, but they did use solid lifters with adjustable rocker arms. So if you’re building an engine to make power all that’s useful is the short block and rocker assemblies.
I had a gallon of Marvell Mystery oil in their newer hard clear plastic bottle instead of metal. Dropped it 2 feet and shattered like GLASS! Dummies could have used a different bit cloudy type plastic that would have bounced but it looks prettiest in clear!
They do that on purpose, same as Maguire paint polish products. Had a brand new bottle of polish and dropped it by accident and it shattered. I was so angry, but what did i do? bought a new bottle because i like the polish. If they put it in a different plastic it wouldn't break. Those blasters....They not the dummies, we are. hahaha. Not you, me>🤣
The little flathead 4 banger generator engine reminds me of continental on a welder. Those are good little units.
That’s a Kohler marine generator. Probably 6KW. The engine was made by Waukesha for Kohler.
The shafts are lubed by water. Start in neutral. The engines also require water and the water pump is part of that
The raw water pump is toast at this point. At this point I would be more concerned about leaks in the motor. Like exhaust manifolds most of all.
Youth - ain't it wonderful?! I started with a crescent wrench. Wasn't anything I wouldn't take apart. Sometimes I even got it back together.
When you get this back floating, can we go for a “three hour tour”?😳🤣🤣😂😂😎 She’s a classic beauty guys👍 Get her in the water! I
When pouring from a square jug, tip it sideways, and it will pour smoothly.
Hey guys, I owned a 1968 Chris Craft Roamer, 37’, in aluminum, for more than 20 years. I sold it 3 years ago. Same 427’s. I’d be happy to answer any questions you might have.
Guys, I'd strongly recommend goin over to junkyard digs and watch every carb video they have. Also little fyi about boats. Usually they have a switch somewhere that controls where your sending power. To one or both engines or your accessories etc. I'd look into that. Also yeah whatever amount of gas your giving it is certainly not enough. When you think you have enough. Fill it more. I'd also recommend getting something and tapping the crap around the carbs. Most certainly your seats and everything is seazed.
Personally anytime something has been sitting boat wise. Yank the carbs and do a rebuilt. It's gonna be needed to run decently and your accelerator pump is usually frozen anyhow.
Once you get these ol girls running OK enough. Get yourself a few cans of berryman b12. Dump one into your main source of fuel. Then once your engine comes up to temp. Take the other can. And while revving it hard. Slowly feed it the berryman strait down the yap. Rev her like mad. Then use your palm to cut off the air which creates negative pressure and will give it a good chance to get rid of any buildup.
Just try to educate yourself sub to Derek over at vice grip garage, or junkyard digs or pole barn garage. You'll learn everything you need to know about working on basic older cars and such.
If you get stuck feel free to send me a message. I'll come out and help if I can anytime. Whatever it takes to keep these old boats on the water I think we should do it
PB blaster or even WD40 is your friend to free up linkages. Looks like a lot of work, but both those bit ole ford engines sound pretty good really. Good luck.
Thats one way to get em going... Good job, but they probably will start when you have the Transmissions or reverse gears in Neutral. It's a funny little thing the industry did so you go flying back up the boat dock...
Those two red lights are indicators that the transmissions are in neutral.
Those 2 motors are worth a lot more than that boat any classic car restore shop would love them 427 1967 date code blocks
WOW !!!! very proud of you guys . I have a 41 Chris Craft Roamer that I restored. If you need any advice or suggestions please feel free to contact me. I also have the 427's like yours. with a ton of extra parts along with two extra 427s. and part numbers . I also have two you tube videos. "Chris Craft Roamer Restoration." Good luck and safe boating
Thanks for helping these Boys out instead of giving them crap like some of these people.
They are young and trying the best they know how .
I would bet you know your business Sir .
Again thaks for offering them help .
We were all young once .
@duanetrivett750 100 % agree!
This video is very entertaining! But I would put the drives in neutral before starting those old engines. Good luck! Definitely worth saving that boat. Do a "Go fund me" to save the disadvantaged Chris Craft!
0:56 Marvel Mystery Oil was invented in 1923 and is not transmission oil
Get yourself a few cans of PB blaster spray in the spark plug holes work that engine back and forth easy so you don’t break a ring my buddy about 10 years ago bought a Case 521 loader with a seized Cummins engine we took the heads off and sprayed everyday 3-4 cans of PB blaster put a big pipe wrench on the crank back and forth easy it finally broke free he still uses the Case to this day
growing up My Dad his Buddies and my Grandfather all Swore MarvelMystery Oil was ATF with MineralSpirits or some form of Petroleum based Paint Thinner /Cleaner ,etc ? Oddly enough in later years my Dad did buy MarvelMystery Oil to. Put in Cylinders of Antique Cars he would purchase or put in Storage I’ve always kept a couple of Antique style triggervPump Oil Cans in the Engine rooms that I filled with Marvel to Squirt on or Lubricate whatever I Saw Fit those Oil Cans are reproduction Brass ones Walmart sells and have a long Nozzle that is easy to put a length of hose on to reach hard to get items
Man, i cant wait to see these run!! 😊
On a side note you may have total system electronic controls for each engine as well as your shore power and battery depending on what you want running.
Pulling engines with a sketchy rig? I wouldn’t expect anything else from these two!!!! “ DANGER IS MY MIDDLE NAME “!
You have a gold mine.. e very Careful...
Good job..
Marvel-ous!
Since you got it running you gotta put it on the water!
The yardstick is used to check the amount of fuel in the tanks😂
If you can put some upper cylinder lub in the gas that will lub everything from fuel pump to valves and rings...which will be alot easier to start once the engines have been warmed up and running for awhile.
Maybe the starboard side would not start with the key because of a neutral safety switch cut out. Have to have the engine out of gear to engage the starter with the key.
Just sit right back and you will hear a tail , a tail of a fateful trip . 🙂
Better question is will it float!
The Kohler generator is mostlikly a 6.5kw with a Kohler L600 engine. Would be happy to send you the manuals.
On the foward bulkhead is a white box "Englhart" on it. This a corroison controller.
Sweet set of engines , great find 👍😎
Thanks 👍
28:05 There's why it won't start with the key, the rumble you hear in the background is the wheel (propeller) shaft turning. The shift control has a neutral switch in it, the motor is in gear!
I would say that makes sense, but one time we turned the key and it cranked over, we happened to not be filming then
Now this bout looks like the SS. Meno 😊 in the first session of Gillian's Ireland.......
Marvel oil the best thing there is in the world!
Absolutely the best for anything you can imagine !
good job
Thanks 👍
Hey Hick's. Don't forget to add water. I don't mean antifreeze.
OMG ❤😊
According to SDS (Safety Data Sheet) Marvel Mystery Oil is 70% high grade mineral oil 20% solvent and the rest to make it work..no better choice for soaking into gummed parts..
Great job! What about some coolant? You might want to hook up a hose to run the engines out of water…..I don’t know, just checking
We didn’t because we were only running them for a very short time, could still easily rest my hand on the block when we were done
Motor sounde great
I hope you had a co2 fire extinguisher while working in tight spaces of boat!😀
Yeah we found one on the boat 👍
Where does that bring back memories
At time stamp 4:31, I am suspecting you’re not going to put the boat back into service, but remove the engines and dismantle it. Too bad. The CC Roamers were really nice boats back in their prime.
I can’t watch this. Those 427s are rare and desirable. These clowns need a real old school mechanic to take over while they learn.
doing g better them most gen z at least
You're an asshole, let them figure things out. Go retire.
Do you know a real mechanic.
Yes sir indeed what carbs are they Holley or autolites
@@eddieweigel9490 They are carters
If it floats….. gonna be a nice boat
I'm a huge Chris Craft fan but that's really not important. Some thoughts. You'll make money of that boat any way you do it. Put the engines in cars and market used parts of the boat to Chris Craft enthusiast group or market it whole now that the engines are confirmed as running. That company used to be Huge. So big it was responsible for the start of Fox News. Chris Craft Industries used to own communications. Now they have high quality 25' to 38ft boats. Anyway, look on line make a few connections and see if there's still any interest for the Roamer. In fact, there are so many different models of Chris Crafts that there is a Chris Craft Roamer group. Have fun, make some $$$
i commented these boats are extremely rare,
rare lke hens teeth an horse feathers, alot of parts there to,
like you said theres alot of money either way they go about it.
It’s really a shame this fine boat has fallen into hands of these two.
It’s a shame the last guy abandoned it 11 years ago
@@hicksgarage3448 at least it was left unmolested. You guys don’t realize the maritime history you’re destroying like it’s a joke.
Not for nothin , but if these 2 guys hadn’t step forward with the enthusiasm & blissful ignorance of youth , this boat would never had shaken back to life with the start up of those twin V-8s . Only a dreamer would look at that tired old yacht & see what once was
@@mikepotter6426 it was years ago that I first noticed from the elevated section of the NJ Turnpike, an old River Yacht was tied up to an old dilapidated pier . Years & years had gone by & I witnessed its slow disintegration until nothing was left , not even the pier . No one was coming to the rescue of this boat , you couldn’t give it away
@@raymondmanderville505 that’s why this one should be preserved
Are you going to fix up the boat ?
Its beautiful.
Dont listen to some of these jerks giving you crap . There is a couple of Gentleman offering advice if you need it .
Good luck !
Thanks 👍
You are in gear so they usually don't start until you put the gear in neutral for that motor. Might be the red light too
Use Valvoline racing oil , it will protect the flat tappet cam as it has zinc in it . Newer oils for roller cam engines don't and it will destroy the cam lobes over time.
You in Los Angeles? Use Kroll oil in the cylinders! It’s a really good penetrating oil the best cities use them! If there’s water in the cylinders you might have to take the heads off and clean them?
Strange power combo, C/Cs usually had a pair of Chrysler 440s
I would like to see the whole boat inside!
Check out video before this one
Starting them up with the props engaged...
Ballast resister, ignition by pass for full voltage when cranking.
427 side oilers worth some money they only made a few don’t know what you have there they where built for Shelby cobra
Not all 427’s are side oilers
@@Glennster2011 called center oilers
It's a Chris Craft!
DO NOT destroy her.
Unless there's major irreparable (and I mean keel ) rot she's definitely capable of going back onto the water.
A syringe works wonders, you only need a coating. A 1966 Egg Harbor was towed into my marina 34 years ago with two 427 Fords and there was a line of trucks waiting to buy them because the guy was scrapping the boat. One gent walked up while I was on the forklift hoisting the starboard engine out and pulled out $20K in cash and said he would be going home with the engines. Time stamp 3:55, you are turning the water pump, you should be trying the crank pulley at the bottom with a socket and breaker bar. Hence the issue at time stamp 6:40. Great view of the spare parts lower starboard side of the carburetor at time stamp 22:30. You didn't cut the fuel line to the carb on the starboard engine which is why it kept running? And you are running it with no water going in.
I would NOT run them at all without cooling water and the cutlass bearings are taking a hiding without water lubing them. So is the water pump impeller.
@@nickviner9489 I agree but I believe they are removing the engines for something else if I understood them correctly.
now that the engines work,lets see what shape the 2 paragon transmissions are in....i had a 1964 roamer.