Gymrail Momentum X1 Rocker Plate System Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 มิ.ย. 2022
- This is the most expensive trainer rocker plate and motion system you can buy for your smart trainer. I dive into how it works, how it compares, and whether or not I find it worth it.
The Gymrail Momentum X1 which is by far one of the craziest rocker contraptions I’ve seen make it to production. Unlike most rocker plates, this is a split-component design (kinda like the Inside Ride E-Flex system). This means that you’ve got one portion holding up your front fork doing its thing, while another holds up your entire trainer and remainder of the bike frame.
Between these two components, you and your bike will tilt side to side while concurrently moving forward and backwards. Your handlebars also rotate slightly (which is what enables rotation elsewhere in the bike). However, the kicker here is that unlike most rocker systems, the rear/trainer portion of your bike also moves laterally side to side, thus accenting movement (both steady-state and sprint). And that combined with the rotational portion allows the whole thing to kinda ‘snake’ along.
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You are the greatest product reviewer of all time! Honest, candid and completely raw. Keep it up.
ohhhh look at the new and improved DCR cave! Thanks BBMaker!!
Indeed!!!
I bought:
- a kitchen-top from ikea
- 2 inflatable balance boards
- a plastic twist board
I got 2.5 planes of motion (steering, left/right and a bit of back/forth) with about 50 euro.
Thats interesting, can you tell us how you put it together ?
@@chapmag6578 It is really easy. You inflate the 2 balance board at the same level, more or less. Then you place the kitchen-top at the top of the 2 balance board, with the middle of them being at the same point. Then stick some antislip tape on the kitchen-top, at the contact points of the trainer. Finally put on the trainer and make adjustments so the whole system is horizontal.
As for steering, stick some antislip tape on it, add some soft material, like a piece of a cheap yoga mat, on top. Then add on top, the front wheel holder that came with your trainer and you are ready to go.
@@jazznroll5 thanks mate, will likely give this ago before going full on rocker plate.
This video is perfect for the song “My money don’t jiggle, jiggle, it folds
I'd like to see you wiggle, wiggle, for sure…”
My trainer will jiggle, jiggle, and roll, now I’m going to wiggle, wiggle for sure…
Ray - this looks like something that you have knocked up in your garage from an old skateboard, a tea tray and one of those foot stool type things that people sometimes have under their desk!
While the back somewhat does, the front is super not-garage designed!
This definitely has me more interested than ever in rocker plates as I have a fall Ironman to train for but that price…yikes! And still without connected steering. “You’re gonna sort out that pricing, right?!?”
I have been using this X1 system since 28.1.2022 and I would never go back to trainer alone or any other rockerplate.
Plate and brackets are very easy to put on their place, you doesn't need to be an engineer to fix brackets where your trainer needs them most.
I also got those lesser tension springs and because I am 92kg rider those were quite loose on hard sprints. But now I have those more progressive (+20% front and +40% rear) springs and this "wiggle" movement is not a case anymore.
Rear and front unit also has adjustable rubber cushions and by adjusting those inner/outer side will effect for tilting side to side, but also for that sway movement.
If you are planning a sprinting exercises on X1 you should move all cushions outer side. That will make tilting stiffer, but it will also effect for sway making it little more stiffer.
But if rear end sways too much the main reason is bad pedaling technique. I have learned that and made my pedaling technique much more effective.
My power phase was before Gymrail about 0 - 195 degrees, but now I have much longer power phase from 350 - 215 degrees.
“Unlike outdoors, there’s no gravity in here.”
I’ve figured out the location of the cave. It’s on the international space station!
There is plenty of gravity where the ISS is stationed. It's just always in freefall! (Sorry for being too literal...)
I like the innovation and creativity, but to make this ‘user proof’ they really need some pre-drilled mounting system for an easy and reliable setup process
Why? Anyone can put something on a piece of wood and mark some holes! Do you really expect them to marks holes for the endless amounts of trainers out there that exist? What about when a company brings out a new trainer, would you then expect them to get all the existing ones off the shelf and start marking out those holes too?!
@@20yearsagotoday1
You've clearly never worked at an IKEA customer service.
@@20yearsagotoday1 in a word, yes. They only need one user to injure themselves badly by falling off after ‘correctly’ drilling their own mounts and they’re in a world of pain. Pretty much every other rocker plate on the market has multiple mount options, why not theirs? It ensures a simple safety standard for their product
@@20yearsagotoday1 They should at a minimum have pre-drilled holes for the skateboard installation, since that doesn't vary at all from side to side. As for pre-drilled holes for other trainers, every single other rocker plate company has managed to do this. So...I'm not seeing the issue?
oooh this one is easy to store too!
You can build one with parts available at your local hardware store.
Honey !
Can you believe this ?
The neighbors have been going at it for more than an hour today.
Again !!
I've heard the springs creaking and all the heavy breathing, moaning, ... and not to mention his bragging about beating his personal best !
Thanks as alwaysbRay. One thing none of the rocker plate systems does is integrate climbing simulation à la Kickr Climb...at least I haven't seen one yet.
Nothing native no, but lots of folks have stuck CLIMB's atop rocker plates without too much issue.
Yup, as Ray mentioned, I and many others have used a Climb on the full-length rocker plates with great results.
Ya. De eso estaba hablando. Es así como yo quería este tipo de rodillo, después del Tacx Galaxia.
Cool
How do you think this compares to the Inside Ride E Flex. It looks like they are pretty similar in the action
looka intresting for the 3rd 4th dimension , i think 380£ for my turborocks react plate , only back and forth and side to side better value
Nice Video. which fan do you use?
The wiggle wiggle plate 🤣🤣🤣
I like trailer video
I always worry that these rocker plates seem like they’d be good at finding any weaknesses in the carbon frame of the bike. It’d be interesting if that spring for ‘wiggle’ amount was adjustable. Spicy 🌶 Great review as always Ray! 👏
On the contrary, allowing the freedom of motion that they add is BETTER than placing the same bike into that rigid trainer on a hard floor. If you move off-center or apply any torque to the bike (which pretty much happens all the time and specifically for efforts at and above Threshold), you are applying larger loads to the frame. These fixed trainers lead to higher forces and related stress on the frame than they will see when used on a motion platform.
I wonder how this movement affects maximum power output? Does it reduce as a result of all the movement?
No it will give you more power all pros who riding these have said the same +5-10%
What is it like with a gym/trainer mat under the wheels?
Not great. The fore-aft motion here relies on a smooth and flat floor. It's one of the key criticisms I had when they introduced it a while ago. I am surprised they didn't build a "stand" that contained that motion like they did for the front end. The whole unit is odd to me because each end is built with different methods and materials. Looks unprofessional and lacks the ability to deal with imperfect floors. Even common carpet floors are a problem that would require additional material like plywood or other flooring to be added to use this.
I got the Saris rockerplate and I hate it. I used it a few times and I just couldn't get used to the unnatural spring-back. It's now a $1400 decoration in my basement storage area. This sounds interesting, but I'm afraid of being let down again with a HEFTY price tag. Plus, this isn't available in the USA, according to the ship-to selection. I'd love to try this, but not risking a gigantic price.
Yeah, it's slated to be available in the US a bit later this year.
Sounds like you dislike the notably strong leveling springs that Saris chose to use. It's a complaint that I and others have mentioned since it was introduced. They chose to have a very supportive force, but it leads to what I consider a counter-intuitive ride for at least some riders. At the price they sell them, I feel an adjustable leveling spring would be appropriate. Having the option to increase or decrease the leveling spring forces adds great function to these motion plates. It's possible that you might prefer a lower force like I and others do. Hopefully you can try a different motion plate in the future that gives that option. The MP1 is a fine start, but I feel it falls short in meeting the needs of at least some riders.
Are trainers even balanced left/right to start with?
Not usually. Most with a physical flywheel have that placed enough off-center that the trainer is heavy on that side (usually the left). We typically suggest adding a 10lb [5kg] weight to the outer edge of a rocker on the right side, to properly balance the rocker. It is possible to balance with unequal leveling spring forces, but that leads to slightly asymmetric forces to lean the bike each direction, especially at greater lean angles. The most even lean forces come with use of a counterweight and equal leveling spring forces.
Can you put a Kickr Bike on that? Would be interesting to see how it behaves while rising
There wouldn’t be a place to attach the front end.
@@Dcrainmaker that’s what i thought. Thx for clarifying. Will keep the MP1 then
But is it a more comfortable ride with a rocker?
Are you asking about this X1 as compared to rigid setup or other rockers. In short, adding motion to just about any training setup will improve comfort. The overly rigid setup we get with most trainers is totally unlike the freedom we have when riding outside. That locked aspect leads to excessive loading on the muscles and tissues that support us while on the trainer.
Adding just about any level of motion that lets the saddle move a bit more under us, which reduces the over-pressure issue we get from a fixed setup. There are certainly a range of needs when it comes to motion. Some are very happy with minimal motion while others want very active setups more like what this X1 provides. I am happy we are seeing more options that cover the range of preferences.
Very surprising to hear Ray say that he doesn't care about form on an indoor trainer! The front end of this trainer looks interesting - perhaps adding realism and comfort. The rear seems to create an unrealistic ride promoting poor form making the overall system a thumbs down for me.
Adjustment springs needs to be more stiffer and also tilting side-to-side could be adjusted easily with rubber bumpers.
Every movement is adjustable depending on rider weight, riding style etc.
My comment on form is specific to sprinting. Poor form in this case is specific to sprinting being opposite of the real-world outside. My stance is that for the vast majority of people, I don't see the value in learning a new form that's opposite the outdoor form, merely to make it prettier for people on the internet to watch. I haven't seen any evidence that inverting ones sprinting form on a rocker plate does anything scientific (or training benefit), other than appeasing others.
my friends dad is the founder and ceo of gymrail😎
How well does it work on carpet?
It wouldn't have much fore-aft motion without adding a hard surface for the rear section. It's a design flaw, IMO. Not sure why they build the front and rear sections so differently where the front is fully self-contained, while the rear requires a certain floor condition. It's possible to make it similarly and work independent of the floor, like the InsideRide E-Flex works.
@@Chader9 Hard words Chad and you are wrong about that!
I really wonder where this information comes from??
Because we haven't had any problems with the exercise mat, concrete floor or parquet even though it has been tested several times.
The most important thing is that the floor is flat in the lateral direction. Longitudinal tilt can be corrected with adjustable feet.
I don't know why this is commented on, even though you haven't even seen the product.
But if the intention is just to raise doubts about our product, then it is a nasty way to raise your own status as a "professional".
Have a nice summer,
Br. Harri - inventor & founder of MX1
The MX1 works just fine with a flat and sturdy exercise mat. Wheels also roll well on a soft carpet, but it’s not the best platform. The important thing is that the mat stays straight under the tires and therefore the anti-slip rubber mat works well.
@@harrisalmenautio602 Sorry you see my words as "hard". My information comes from observation of this review, your videos & pictures, and the few user videos of the X1. It also includes my personal experience as a mechanical designer & builder familiar with all the components & design features clearly in use. It's quite possible to make observations & related comments based upon that information without an actual ride on the unit.
Considering your reply, I seem to be correct about the lack of full function on some carpets as a native surface. You mention several additions that are needed in order to support the wheels of the rear section in order to allow proper fore-aft motion if carpet is the initial surface. Notably, "carpet" is a broad term and it's possible that this may work on some types while not on others. For those others, it seems you admit that something additional is needed ("exercise mat, concrete floor or parquet") in order to use the X1 on a carpet surface. And the consideration of the under-pad present with much of the carpet that gets used with it, is another consideration that would likely lead to poor F-A motion. Fine for that additional surface on top of the carpet to be a requirement, but it is good for potential buyers to know that up front.
My intentions aren't to "raise doubts", but rather to answer the question posed by the person above. I try to help with that questions just like this based upon my experience building and using rocker plates since late 2015. I mentioned what I see as a design flaw aspect because there seems notable difference in the design and build of each section. One is fully self-contained while the other relies on a certain floor condition. That aspect has been noted and mentioned below by others here. That aspect has also been discussed in our FB RP group where you have seen them as well.
You seem to have taken my comments above as personal or an attack, which is not the intention at all. I am sharing my thoughts and opinion as I do with any other trainer motion device. No offense or attack meant on my part, so I am sorry if you took it that way. I am just trying to help people learn about and understand the growing landscape of trainer motion options.
Looks good, but what if I have a Wahoo Climb?
That is not compatible with this unit. However, there are other rocker plates that are fully functional for use with the Wahoo Climb. We have seen many happy riders with that combo, and I did a fair number of rides with it as well. Works decent as a step towards a "cycling simulator" for sure.
@@Chader9 Thanks! Could you recommend a few?
@@Chader9 I would like to see CLIMB compatible rockers also. I have been using the InsideRide system. Works well but missing my CLIMB. I have been meaning to build a front that would work with the CLIMB but just have not had the time.
@@jackiewong0806 that depends a bit on where you live, but some of the common brands are:
US: Rocker Indoor Training, Traxxion Dynamics, KOM Cycling, LifeLine, Velocity Rockers, Saris (works with Climb despite their claims), Pedivella
UK: Turbo Rocks, OmniRocker, Bespoke Rocker Plate, LifeLine, CEL UK
EU: BikeSwingBoard, Leeze Boom Board, Coplate Rocking Plate
AUS: JetBlack, Paragon Cycle Works, Sydney Bespoke Rocker Plates
@@derekkuhl see the list & I posted for Jackie.
1700 euros....absolutely ridiculous. That's more than the freekin wahoo trainer.
my trainer don't jiggle jiggle, it folds.
Killed it 😂
Is it a folding bike 🚴?
@@benjaminkaufmann893 rollers
i would say the current rocker plates out there are over priced. This is cool but at the cost of a nice wheelset does not make sense.
For the record, gravity is inside and outside. But I know what you mean.
Looks like a lot of stress is placed on the fork with all that movement. They creaking noise will drive me nuts
Riding down cobblestones or the pave of Roubaix at 50kph creates stress on the fork. This is a relaxing spa by comparison.
Great video as always although I think I will spend $80 on the Kickr Axis action feet, which will save me $1,000 to spend on carbon wheels. really don't understand how they can justify that much money on a mechanical system that relies on very affordable components..but hey, everyone does what they want with their money..
It’s €1395 + VAT. Hmm lol
It's still keeps the bike Upright which doesn't really replicate riding outdoors.
feels like that puts a lot of stress on the fork.
Is this hand build by the finest artists and made of the best sustainable space grade materials? Because if not the production cost would be sub 100$.
I will keep my Saris this looks wonky
Looks awesome… so does a Ferrari and both are stupidly expensive and I will never own
Those wheels- someone’s going to pinch something (a pet or a toddler)
You want to buy me one? Thanks!!
Only if you buy me one first! 😆
Is if ok to start the video as s asnr even if you don't do any the activitys on the watch
The board is made from MDF, so the screws are not going to fit tight under stress in the board. That’s a major construction mistake.
The price BTW is crazy, 90% of the parts you can find at your local hardware store.
Sort that BB out...
I will give this one a pass. I think the rollers would damage hard floors and carpet. Plus the price point is crazy.
They know how to siphon people's money in the rocker plate industry... I think this is right time for quit my job and find that old skateboard in the garage.
When I look at all the products in this setup, only one thing comes into my mind: ridiculous. (Note: during winter I ride 3+ h endurance rides on Kickr and Garmin).
thats a head tube snapper setup
Why?
Just get smart rollers...
Only for 1,250 € 😂😂😂
just like riding a real bike in the real world
Eddy Merx would be turning in his Grave
Not sure about your man Eddy Merx, but our prophet, Eddy Merckx, is very much alive and recently celebrated his 77th birthday.
You lost me at the price...
At this point, just ride outside…..
It's just absurd, tv's, rockers, blah blah.....go outside...
Why's it absurd? You're sitting here on TH-cam watching videos about cycling. Why not just go outside and watch cyclists?
@@alanrobertson3172 not so sure, I really enjoy training indoors - massive fan of TrainerRoad (and the very occasional zwift) but these rocker plates are a tad too far for me.
@@hanifj6233 then choose to not use one yourself, totally fine. But what is the point in criticizing others that choose to use them?
@@Chader9 I was not Chad, people can use what they want. I was just making light of the point that we spend some much to make inside feel like outside that is all.
Do you trust your $20k bike on something like this? I guess if you can afford a $20k bike you are either buying a full trainer bike like the wahoo kickr or you can afford a cheapo aluminum bike. Rocking independently on the front fork alone looks scary.
Practically speaking, this has more flexibility for the frame than a $1,200 Wahoo KICKR does. So in that sense, it'd theoretically be better for the frame. Of course, the entire 'is it OK for your frame' trainer discussion never had any merit to begin with, which is why we've never seen any actual issue despite millions of trainers sold.
Looks lethal. And kinda pointless. Definitely the point at which you should just go for a ride outside. For the cost you can even get a whole training bike if you don't want the 'good' or 'trainer' bike out in the weather.
These things are so lame. None of them feel real. And its really not worth the expense.
the cycling industry is crazy and discusting
Just ride outside
Why?
Alternatively, go outside.
Why?