W123 OM617 Double The Power
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- We enjoyed doubling the power of this old W617 with the use of the Dieselpumpuk custom injection pump.
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I own a 1983 300SD turbo diesel. My favorite car! I love the sound of my old diesel! I have over 300,000 miles and still get 23 mpg! A definite tank rock solid car!
In the '70s when mercedes launched the 617 turbo, some trial versions already made 180+hp on the running pad. To keep engine's life long, they reduced to 125hp then became available on the market.
@benz merc those extra 60hp are at the top end, where you don't spend most of the time
@@joebotelho248 But as you can see in the diagram, the power increase in percent is even higher in low and mid range.
You don't necessarily need a 1 million mile car. There is plenty of life in this engine.
Ya they did that by changing up the cam shaft making it more torquey
Because the street version had no Intercooler.
That 5 cylinder growl with whistle behind it 😍
I used to have an N reg sprinter with the 120hp 5 cylinder in. It sounded just like that
why USED to..........
RainbowFoxSilo because I sold it
@@Dan23_7 thats sad..
RainbowFoxSilo I had it years ago
@@Dan23_7 still sad
A more in depth how to tutorial on removing and replacing the pump itself would be amazing. I will be ordering a pump from you soon!
I would like to see the owners reaction from his or hers first testdrive with double the power.
@Curtis Maverick damn it must be regional or something because it did not work for me
Great information. I have a 1981 Mercedes 240d with the 4 speed manual rather than the 5 speed manual commonly found in Europe. The 4 cylinder diesel does not put out a lot of power but I keep up with traffic okay and I have taken many trips to the San Diego area from north of Bakersfield about an hour. It takes about 7 hours after you fight through the Los Angeles traffic. It is always the struggle between lowering the RPM on the top end and having zip on the bottom end. The first 2 gears I am usually right with the traffic but by the 3 gear the car drags behind the traffic until I get back to the flow of traffic.
Something I did modify was having the 205 70r14 Michelin tires but now I can't find them at Costco. I also added another air scoop close to my AC condenser. A drunk hit my first Mercedes and totaled it but it makes a good parts car. I took the air scoop added a PVC Y and channeled both air scoops into the engine. I have never put it on a dynamometer but it has made the diesel just a bit perkier. I also add Cetane and Marvel's Mystery oil to the fuel. That helps lower the loud chatter of the engine while getting more power out of the engine. My next big project will be to replace the mechanical radiator fan with an electric fan to take back some of the horse power lost on moving the mechanical fan. I upgraded the alternator to a bigger alternator that took the same plug in. That has also helped. It would be nice to put a turbo on that engine but it was not designed to take a turbo so that idea has been nixed.
@@kermitefrog64 How is it over the grape vine? No problems with those inclines? I imagine the turbo helps with elevation change.
@@MiikeyLawless Actually, the 240d 4 speed manual does not have a turbo. I get a good run up the hill and then have to shift into 3rd but it stays around 55 mph. which really pushes the engine. I currently put on a new set of tires and went with the Uniroyal 205 75r14 and it makes a nice difference on the top end and drops the RPM. It makes a bit of change on the speedometer but the added comfort makes a nice difference. My recent project has been replacing the mechanical radiator fan and replaced it with a Flex-a-lite electric fan. I am no longer taking the long trips down to San Diego since my wife died from cancer 2 1/2 years ago.
Gives us more builds plz 💪 great job
Actually, the 240d 4 speed manual does not have a turbo. I get a good run up the hill and then have to shift into 3rd but it stays around 55 mph. which really pushes the engine. I currently put on a new set of tires and went with the Uniroyal 205 75r14 and it makes a nice difference on the top end and drops the RPM. It makes a bit of change on the speedometer but the added comfort makes a nice difference. My recent project has been replacing the mechanical radiator fan and replaced it with a Flex-a-lite electric fan. I am no longer taking the long trips down to San Diego since my wife died from cancer 2 1/2 years ago.
Put a turbo on it, is easy
👎There was definitely and obviously something wrong right from the beginning because a normal 300TD makes much more HP than this one did! So the complete engine should have been checked and maintenanced correctly before tuning! Therefore 👎
Dynos hurt peoples feelings
Great videos and I wish you were near Albany, New York. I am curious if this engines upgrade includes an Intercooler?
From the factory, the 3.0L turbo diesel made 110 hp @ 4500 rpm.
Iknow
but with a stt turbo kit only 56hp!
WHAAAT
@@catfish_lude they are reading the power at the wheels. Manufacturers rate the engine, itself, at the crankshaft. Also, I am not sure if Mercedes did this, but I know American car manufacturers, back until the later 70s or 80s, basically tested just the engine, with no accessories bolted up. No cooling fan, no power steering pump, no alternator.
@@dposcuro Whaat
@@catfish_lude okay, gimme a second, dumbing myself down a bit here:
Factory spec if engine alone. No transmission, no final drive and their inherant losses.
These guys are using a chassis dyno, which measures power at the wheels. This take into account the power used to drive the transmission and differential. It is always going to give you lower power figures than an engine dyno.
If you say what, one more time, I will get out the crayons, so don't eat them.
OM 617.912 = 88 hp
OM 617.952 = 125 hp
So is there any loss in fuel efficiency with the new pump? Or is it just better overall?
There may be no loss, you may even gain some efficiency via turbo doing its job better, but your fuel usage will increase either way, as you are actively pumping more fuel... To reduce fuel consumption and to increase fuel efficiency are not the same thing... You can have the best, most fuel efficient engine and induction system but drive like a moron and have poor fuel mileage, and you can have an engine that has poor fuel efficiency(not power necessarily) and drive it with good fuel mileage... Power of the engine, its fuel conversion efficiency and fuel usage are related, but not strictly linked... Either can change without impacting others, and any change in any of them can impact all others in some cases... I cant say in this case does the fuel efficiency of the system rise, but i can say with certainty that fuel usage does rise, and as was shown, so does the power... Now it can be calculated, if we were told all the data and could establish formulas for original setup and its efficiency and then compare it to what we see here, but not enough data is given, and sure, it could be fetched and gathered, but im not here to provide both the resources for math, the math and info, i hope this did help, altho untimely, but whatchugonnado?
Its like a PQRST wave!
Neither the fuel supply nor the turbo if so equipped was ever the constraint to power on the OM617. It was always the valve timing. There is a 26° or so period at TDC where both the intake valve and exhaust valve are closed - no overlap, no scavenging. Compare this to the later OM602/OM603 which has overlap.
Are custom camshafts available to address that?
Just wonder how much this kind of setup will cost
Nice, i like the old school diesels. These old Mercs & PSA XUD are 2 of my favourites, do you guys do common rail stuff too though? We've got a Volvo S80 D5 (euro3 163) and a 206 1.4HDi currently, the Volvo is decent enough but i'd be interested in any tips you might have for getting a little more from the pug, though TBF i think the standard turbo is the limitation as it's running out of puff at the top end. That and no intercooler is a problem (It's pretty standard, running gutted cat/disabled EGR & wastegate adjustment's maxed out).
I would try to get a Turbo engine and do this conversion on. There is a reason why Mercedes upgraded the oil coolers, sprayers, pistons, etc on the turbo models.
But if that guy doesn’t care. Oh well.
Sideshow 44 I have no clue when it will go boom. It might go tomorrow. It might go in 5 years. But one thing is for certain. It will not last as long as one of the US spec Turbo models.
I have one of those STT kits on my 300D. 1985. 130,000 miles and still runs like new. The only thing that kills the OM 617 is rockapes who abuse them,lack of maintenance mainly. And the turbo is the same as the factory fitted to the turbo version. Without doing any pump mods I even got a speeding ticket last year.
been done by the finns.
om617a stock internals seem to throw connecting rods around 250hp.
om606 is your guy for big power.
We had the same engine in a G-Wagen with after marked turbo kit turning out around 150 HP. It ran close to 600.000km (372822 miles) before it cracked a piston. Quite strong engines in my opinion.
How did it only make 82 hp with the turbo already
Awesome stuff! I have a MB100D which has a OM616 in it and I 'd like to swap the engine out for something with some more power. Something tells me the OM606 wouldn't fit and would also be overkill but perhaps the OM617A would be a good shout. Do you have any experience with the MB100D? Also do you do full engine rebuilds?
Om616a turbodiesel force motor
Hi, I was wondering what countries the w140 chassis was available with the om606? I know the USA wasn't one, unfortunately.
Love what you are doing mechanically - however can you PLEASE get a tripod? I have a headeache from the spinning camera every time i awatch.
Botswana plate, considering buying one out here too
I'm so happy you did this thanks
Disco at the mechanic shop!!
What have you guys done with the tranny. I had a 85w123 and those transmissions are a pain in the ass that the vacuum pump and the lines have to be right. Did you guys change the tranny out with something else. You guys killed it that car is sick and its a wagon too
Why has this car with turbo only 82hp (stock would be 88hp for NA)? My s123 300d NA does almost 100, but then it smokes pretty much!
hi sir, i have a question, I'm making improvements to my old om617, did you have to reinforce the engine?
Hola amigo,tengo una Mercedes benz 409d t1,es un furgón pero con el mismo motor pero sin turbo,crees que seria posible ponerle el turbo? Afectaría negativamente al motor? Espero su respuesta gracias de antemano saludos
How what power increase did the turbo kit give over the standard engine ? How did it increase the power over standard if there was no fueling increase ?
Love its smells
I have last 2.4D from w123 in my w115/8. It possible to add turbo there?
Have you guys tuned diesel ssangyongs yet?
My 300D made about 80hp when new. Doubling the power would still have made it a slow car lol
Im across the pond did you put special parts in that new pump or can i get a bigger pump off some other engine?
Also look at the power curve. It makes more stock until the peak and falls off. What is the max rpm on the new pump Dyno curve?
(Edit) ok I could make it out (rpm @power) toward the end of the vid. 4500 is good
More power with better fuel economy ? Sounds like a winner. But how much is it ?
Czechbound I think like two grand USD
@@theshadetreewelder3523 Ok, that sounds more likely.. I thought someone mentioned £18000, which seemed way to high.
A 2nd gen Camaro in background. Cool. Still your current project is impressive. Or Firebird ?
3rd gen looks like z28 78-82. Hard to be exact with front bit missing.
So what’s one of those pumps run shipped to los angeles?
What did you do to the valvecover? So nice!
Hey Luke iam not far from you, could you do the same pump on my 190d ? Its the five cylinder with TB aftermarket turbo. How much we looking? £££
You have an 2,5l om602 thats an completely different engine... you just have to look up at there website www.dieselpumpuk.com they have a pretty good online store. You can chosse between different power goals (275hp/400hp/600hp)
Can you guys ship to Florida?
I'm also curious if you find out can you let me know
Never got a response from them lol
Curious about rpm data…the 5.5 pump hp and torque data is recordeed below 4000 rpm. The new pump data for hp and torque is around 4500 rpm. This would make a difference in data numbers, correct? So is the dyno data accurate? Also, how is the engine hp calculated? Is it strictly mathematical? Not actual physical data? Thanks! Nice video looking forward to adding a new pump. Tim
The dyno calculates the drivetrain loss, if an engine makes more Hp regardless of what rpm it is in fact more hp
The valves were adjusted and the new pump. Where to buy one?
Nice!!.
how does just changing the pump make so much more power? Do they tune other aspects? Is efficiency lost? Thanks in advance
well imagine you have 10g of tnt you get poff now imagine you got 20g ot tnt now you got POFF the engine was originally without a turbo so the stock pump was already strung out and not able to give the fuel needed to drive the turbo properly, now with a pump serving more fuel you have a bather combustion pushing the turbo faster hence making more bost as unlike petrol cars i dont belive this has any boost limiter so more spool is more air and more poff
@@Stale_Mahoney This is a great answer. So the pump itself was designed for a non-turbo predecessor engine; and thus not optimized.
@@JoeHeine yeah that would be the basics of it all, as you from factory need to comply with emissions and such, but a pump able to deliver more fuel is bether for power
Love your videos bro but the background noise is quite annoying!
Thanks for the video though !
How come that thing is knocking so hard at idle? Is this normal? the camera mic perhaps? You mentioned I can send to you an "MW" pump but will get back this "M" pump. I am not familiar with the difference but my core/car is a U.S. 300SD turbo diesel om617 pump. Is this this core acceptable to send to you? Thanks.
I am a little confused now. Have You turboed this engine?
NICE!!!!
I thought it was always a bad idea to just slap in a turbo, there are other parts that need to be changed
Nice work. I couldn't watch more than a few sporadic minutes because the cinematography was emetic ;] Review some Bergman/Fellini ..or David Lean (UK master!!) work prior to the next one ;] Cheers, fellas!!
Would love to buy this car...can I?
Are you in Liverpool or maybe Wales?
I live in the Netherlands i want to buy upgrade diesel pump where can i contact yall
Does it matter if you have an automatic with a turbo? Im in the USA
love it.. where i can get that setup .and details what you did to it..i want more power on my
I think from their site
How can the engine power be so low? A stock 617 without turbo should be 88 hp and stock OM617A with turbo should be about 120 hp
Robin. T the factory claims are miles off, we generally get 40bhp for n/a om602, 55-60bhp for n/a 617 and 55-65 for n/a om603. I’ve tested on a couple of different dynos also. I think Mercedes may have been a bit naughty with the power claims. If you don’t believe that they are that low, ask anyone that’s ever driven a n/a diesel Mercedes, if of sane mind they will confirm how slow they are.
@@DieselPumpUK I've read how it's a bad idea to add a turbo on NA 617. Do you have an update on how the car is doing right now?
@@hubalahu well it had an ancient stt turbo kit on it for years that was starving for fuel from a stock pump and now its an ancient stt turbo kit getting the proper amount of fuel, therefore I would assume much better unless the owner wrapped it
@@MrDrb8354 so it turns out the engine isn't "fried" or obliterated like what the forum people say
Will be on to you for a pump to go in my G soon as I can my friend
What kind of pump is that?
I'm not sure how 68whp is the same as a 128hp turbo om 617. I understand driveline losses buy that's excessive.
Stock turbo 617 puts down 98-108hp to the dyno wheels.
Would like to find out more about these motor I got a om617 but it’s a 86 Jeep Comanche
you have this engine in a comanche?
Hi guys is there any mods for the volvo d5s euro 4 185 version manual thanks
I have a 1983 300d what can I do with it thanks for your time in responding
new pump
turbo kit
valve adjustment
free flow
knn air filter
oyeah diff swap maybe
A standard om617 na has 80 or 88hp. Why does it have even less with the STT turbo kit?
Speedbuster Nederland your basing your figures on manufacturers claims, the reality of the actual power to the wheels is far different.
DieselPumpUK the 80-88hp isnt Factory claim to the Wheel but at the crank.
But even then,..... with STT kit less power then factory specs without turbo?
Speedbuster Nederland the turbo kits made next to no difference, the stock pump didn’t have any more to give than 40cc so it was a total waste of time anyway. They were fitting these kits with the stock n/a pump, you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to realise that was pretty pointless.
Awfully louder with the new pump
Can you do any magic for a VM D219 AC turbo?
I’d like to purchase a 70cc pump
Jesus christ, that's a massive jump. Something like that has to affect the reliability of it surely.
Not really...no one gonna use it on full throttle all the time..
I like driving slow to piss off all the punks and housewives in hopped up pickups, suvs, broncos, and jeeps!
a 617 016 03 01 can you tell me motor this is outta all I know is it’s OM617 turbo 5 cylinder diesel turbo
Great to see renewed attention these OM61X motors are getting.
Have you considered a rebuilding service (factory spec) for the W115 and W123 OM616/7 pumps? Similar to what the Bosch service centers used to do before they lost their expertise?
the music you guys are listening to is horrendous...what do the neighbors think
Just wondering how much power you had got from old pump if max rpm had increased to same level as in new pump.
Stock pump is good for more power than he made with this pump.... I got 147hp at the wheels from mine...
@@superjesus4307 Hi, what chassis and engine? Very curious. Thanks
How do I contact you to purchase a pump? I've recently started driving my 300D Turbo again and I'm not impressed. lol
twdarcy you can buy on our online shop or email us for more details/support.
where can I get those mud flaps!!?!
they are for sale on fleabay from turkey
My like 51
What about advancing pump timing ?
123k views today
IMO this car needs one more gear.
I like this intercooler, where can i buy it?
can you please improve your sound, it fades at times
It would be probably cheaper to just buy a w124 300d and save a lot of work.
thats a lot of diesel knock sound like and old tractor at idle, I think you need to throw in two head gaskets to reduce the compression!
1985 MB 300SD turbodiesel American stock power 180 horse, plus stock pump, which one is (0617) in yours? I'm confused on your 22, 23, degree settings? It's 24, 25 Max here?
Matt Gorgoglione he has a once naturally aspirated but currently turbo converted 617
Stock not converted...
This air filter without airbox looks crap, IMO.
Dr Who mecanic
i want to buy a pump and daily drive it do you know about how many miles per gallon ?
easy
DieselPumpUK, Where are you Based ? I have issues with a Renault Master Van. I Would like to Have a chat with you Sometime.
Happy to Pay for any advice / Knowledge or info .
Many thanks.
Do you really have to have that hideous “music” playing in the background. Incredibly annoying.
I would like to buy a pump I have a 1983 300D
The video is not professional loads of noises montage
Though I subscribed 😂
Jesus Christ hold the camera still, we're making me sick.
Need more om617 Dyno runs!!! Excited to see what my wagon pushes out
Hi Luke
Very impressive what you are doing with diesel engines.
I'd love the opportunity to quote you on machining some of you conversion components.
Thomfield engineering Ltd. We are a small company in South Wales.
Any opportunities would be very much appreciated
i love these OM series diesels!!!
what did this conversion cost--total--- thx
£18000
@@xavierrochas £18000 ? What did £18000 include? Thanks
How big of a pump can you go for and still daily it without it blowing
Awsome How do I go about getting one of your pumps??
Nice car
That car was brand new when I passed my driving test! My BMW f30 320d makes about 185 BHP.