I've watched most of your other interviews Kevin with other SF Podcasters and am now working my way through your own Podcasts on your own channel after discovering them. Could listen to you talk about this stuff all day long. Doesn't matter how many times I've heard the same stories across multiple podcasts, they are always captivating and I end up watching the full 2-4 hours into the wee hours and then heading to work the next day sleep deprived. LOL. Anyway my own War of Independance and Civil War story comes from my mother who told me a story about my granny (her mother in Law) and my grand-aunt. Gran and Grand Aunts father owned a farm in Loughlinstown Co. Dublin which was used as a safe house by the Old IRA so there was a family connection to 1916 the WOI already even when my gran and grand-aunt were little girls. So grand-aunt is visiting gran at the same time mam and me were visiting (this would be mid to late 70's) and mam entered the Livingroom and Gran and Grand-aunt went quiet for a few seconds. Mam asked what they were talking about and Gran says that "we were talking about who killed Michael Collins, do you want to know who it was?" Mam said yes and as they were about to tell her, the doorbell rang and everyone got distracted and never went back to that topic of conversation afterwards. Now you might say to yourself, "Jaysus, sure everyone in the country has a story about older family members alive at the time knowing who killed Michael Collins." ie. highly implausible because so many have a similar story that it would mean 10s of thousands in the know and if that was the case it'd be common knowledge by now. The difference here though is that Grand Aunt, my grans sister was married to Joe McGrath Jnr a son of Joe McGrath Snr who was Michael Collins' Intelligence Chief during the Civil War, the writer of the letter in red ink to Collins begging him not to go to Cork that day, the guy who was suspected by some as the torturer and killer of Noel Lemass but who took a slander case in the 30's against the accusations and won and who went on to regularily play poker with Sean Lemass (So Sean musn't have believed the accusations). Joe McGrath Snr was also the guy who set up the infamous Irish Hospital Sweepstakes which is one of the things that made his family very wealthy indeed. Point is, given all that, its probably one of the most plausible, "Granny or Grandad so and so knew who killed Michael Collins" type of stories out there....and a feckin' knock on the door at just the wrong time prevented mam from ever hearing a name. LOL. I presume gran changed her mind about divulging that information to Mam later.
Kevin, these podcasts are by far some of my favourite. I was born and educated in England, to Irish parents who emigrated in the 80s looking for work. I lived in Ireland for a short time, but educated in England I missed out on much of this history. The names are familiar from stories from my father but the details yourself and Oisin discuss paint the picture of my family’s predecessors history in Ireland. I now live in the US and will make sure my children know this history of their grandparents homeland. Keep up the good work
Britain 1914 ; "Despicable German 'frightfulness' in Belgium a war crime." Britain 1920; "A strong regime of 'frightfulness' in Ireland a police action."
I get incredibly excited whenever I see a new episode out about history with both of you. These are my favorites so please keep them coming!!! Thanks fellas!!
I hope you two cover local history like Tipperary Clare Kerry limerick Longford in the he Irish revolution there was some great leaders there Michael Brennan of clare tom Ellis trim of Kerry Sean treacy Dan breen of Tipperary Tomas Malone of Limerick
22:00 if you ever want to see an absolutely badass picture of Eamon De Valera, look up the photograph from when he was made an honourary chief of the Ojibwe tribe
As long as none of Oisin's patients expire while the podcast is recorded please continue these. I found your points about smart unschooled folks to be quite interesting. It's possible none of my grandparents even attended high school, and I'm fairly certain none graduated. Now their grandson just sits around and listens to podcasts.
I love these history videos and I'd love to see more videos about history. It would be cool if you did some videos about some of the great warriors, tacticians, spies, etc from American history and even other places as well if you could find the right people. Washington was something of a spy master himself and the history is fascinating.
The Monto...Dan Breen in his book My Fight For Irish Freedom, praised the women who worked the streets there for collecting information and often, even the arms of army personal and delivered same to the republicans. The women who the streets of The Monto I think should be acknowledged for their part in the struggle for freedom...
If they're a freedom fighter I want to know about it. I don't care if it was just passing along messages, to me everyone who played a part played a part in Freedom. Many lost their life's that we will never know who they were or what they did.
@@queenb62Yeah sure. Most Irishmen were Catholic. That was the only reason Éire was hard pressed but nowadays everyone goes on about the Church. The Church was the cradle of Irish nationalism.
Not just is the Beal na Blath armoured car still around (yes in the Curragh Museum) But it was rebuilt (Timelapse video of it on TH-cam) And still in running order
That photo of Michael Collins was taken in Cathal Brugha Barracks (then Portobello Barracks) in Dublin, as he came back from Mass, probably going back to the Red House (currently the HQ of the Army bands), which was meant to have been his quarters. There is a memorial to Collins at this very spot in the barracks, beside the current Privates Mess and Dining Hall and close to the Military archives. It is very close to the Main gate. It was unveiled around 10 years ago.
In the London times newspaper general Wilson stated about the reconquest of Ireland in April 1922 which was provocative which Collins felt he had to act on him
I’d like to make a suggestion that you both consider the contribution to the IRB of the Fenians specifically as it relates to the Fenian brotherhood. The brotherhood’s 19 century worldwide organization was huge and plays a part in the bombing campaign by ODonivan Rossa that preceded the war. In addition the Boor War plays a part in contributing to the tactics of the IRA though the Boor’s gorilla tactics were employed The countryside while the Rebels took it to the streets. Much of the terrorist tactics employed in the Middle East today are taken from these earlier conflicts. The ORahilly was a Boor commander in that conflict.
@@seanmccann8368 Well the Boers side was seen as equivalent to the Irish and it was a turning-point in Irish nationalism. Of course the original comment does not give credit to them since in large part the Irish rebels were not an urban organisation but a rural one. The British were arguably winning The Irish War of Independence (1919-1921) but they did enough of course.
Lots of Irish were in the British Army my granddad who was Micks cousin was in the 2nd Boer war then was in Mons before the British Expedition Force had even left England then Ypres and still back in Mons on the last day of the war there was little if any work Mick and his sister moved near to us in the East End until 1916 when conscription started thats when he left for Ireland
Michael Collins was incredible so multifaceted minister of intelligence and finance main arms smuggler successful propagandist whats interesting about him he had a way of getting people to do the best most for him loved and loyal to those under his command
I just don't I understand why Wilson assassins dunne and Sullivan didn't have a getaway car driver close by kind of common sense basic especially with Sullivan with a peg leg
Hi Oisin. There is no record of O'Sullivan being a sniper. Given he was badly wounded in the right arm in WW1, and was an intelligence officer in IRA, when he died in 1950 he became a convenient fall guy.
I think you mean Sonny O'Neill, it was Seamus Kearney who claims that O'Neill took the fatal shot, but his story has big holes in it. Tom Foley, who was at the ambush site, doesn't remember Kearney being there and also stated that Sonny O'Neill had already left by the time the convoy arrived. Kearney then claimed that O'Neill told him the day after the ambush, that he had taken the fatal shot. O'Neill served in he Cavalry and as you've said was not a trained sniper.
Mr. Owens You did not tell us if you were pro or anti treaty. I'd love know. But I understand if you would like to keep that to yourself! Also, do you have a Facebook account? Or just TH-cam, Instagram, and TH-cam? I've also noticed you haven't posted to Rumble lately. Have you abandoned that platform as well?
The Irish turned world opinion against the English. Irish writers turned the English language into sorcery. The most prevalent national origin of Marine officers at Iwo Jima was Irish. But they aren't perfect; when you find four Irishmen together you will often find a fifth!
1. It was reported that even ANZAC’s (who were on their way to France) were diverted to Dublin. Some were Irish born or first generation and didn’t know where they were until they emerged on the streets of Dublin & were ordered to shoot at Republicans! 2. Didn’t the British & Americans make the same mistake in Iraq, post invasion & place all Iraqi’s in the same big prison where they organised resistance?
Dev was one set up treaty bur sent collins to go get it as he knew there was never 32 county in table he sold MC out Trator dev form anty treaty yet after MC death he ran sat in same treaty dail. I smell rat
Sean Lamass was never a member of the squad he was a member of the 1st Dublin brigade, not one of the twelve apostles went against collinsand why does nobody ever talk about the fact that with or without Collins signing the treaty Ireland was already partitioned by the government of Ireland act December 1921 and these are historical facts
Kirsten has a good personality and is good looking too, but we lose that Irish accent and your personality when you're not on the mic. I would like to see a podcast where you're both on the podcast talking to a 3rd person.
I've watched most of your other interviews Kevin with other SF Podcasters and am now working my way through your own Podcasts on your own channel after discovering them. Could listen to you talk about this stuff all day long. Doesn't matter how many times I've heard the same stories across multiple podcasts, they are always captivating and I end up watching the full 2-4 hours into the wee hours and then heading to work the next day sleep deprived. LOL.
Anyway my own War of Independance and Civil War story comes from my mother who told me a story about my granny (her mother in Law) and my grand-aunt. Gran and Grand Aunts father owned a farm in Loughlinstown Co. Dublin which was used as a safe house by the Old IRA so there was a family connection to 1916 the WOI already even when my gran and grand-aunt were little girls. So grand-aunt is visiting gran at the same time mam and me were visiting (this would be mid to late 70's) and mam entered the Livingroom and Gran and Grand-aunt went quiet for a few seconds. Mam asked what they were talking about and Gran says that "we were talking about who killed Michael Collins, do you want to know who it was?" Mam said yes and as they were about to tell her, the doorbell rang and everyone got distracted and never went back to that topic of conversation afterwards.
Now you might say to yourself, "Jaysus, sure everyone in the country has a story about older family members alive at the time knowing who killed Michael Collins." ie. highly implausible because so many have a similar story that it would mean 10s of thousands in the know and if that was the case it'd be common knowledge by now.
The difference here though is that Grand Aunt, my grans sister was married to Joe McGrath Jnr a son of Joe McGrath Snr who was Michael Collins' Intelligence Chief during the Civil War, the writer of the letter in red ink to Collins begging him not to go to Cork that day, the guy who was suspected by some as the torturer and killer of Noel Lemass but who took a slander case in the 30's against the accusations and won and who went on to regularily play poker with Sean Lemass (So Sean musn't have believed the accusations). Joe McGrath Snr was also the guy who set up the infamous Irish Hospital Sweepstakes which is one of the things that made his family very wealthy indeed. Point is, given all that, its probably one of the most plausible, "Granny or Grandad so and so knew who killed Michael Collins" type of stories out there....and a feckin' knock on the door at just the wrong time prevented mam from ever hearing a name. LOL. I presume gran changed her mind about divulging that information to Mam later.
Kevin, these podcasts are by far some of my favourite. I was born and educated in England, to Irish parents who emigrated in the 80s looking for work. I lived in Ireland for a short time, but educated in England I missed out on much of this history. The names are familiar from stories from my father but the details yourself and Oisin discuss paint the picture of my family’s predecessors history in Ireland. I now live in the US and will make sure my children know this history of their grandparents homeland. Keep up the good work
It's your homeland too brother!
Excellent episode again! Oisin is such a wealth of Irish history. Thank you Kevin and Oisin!
Glad you enjoyed it
The new book 'Solving the Murder of Michael Collins' takes these findings into account.
@@kevinowens9636 really enjoying the podcasts if you see this message contact me thanks
These videos are incredible, thank you for continuing to make them
The episodes with the Oisins, Dr and otherwise, are some of the best.
Kevin these videos are fascinating. Thank you for all the effort you put in.
Britain 1914 ; "Despicable German 'frightfulness' in Belgium a war crime."
Britain 1920; "A strong regime of 'frightfulness' in Ireland a police action."
I’ve been looking forward to this one for a while now! Awesome!
I get incredibly excited whenever I see a new episode out about history with both of you. These are my favorites so please keep them coming!!! Thanks fellas!!
I love these episodes!
I hope you two cover local history like Tipperary Clare Kerry limerick Longford in the he Irish revolution there was some great leaders there Michael Brennan of clare tom Ellis trim of Kerry Sean treacy Dan breen of Tipperary Tomas Malone of Limerick
Over an hour about The Big Fella! Can't wait to listen
Bloody Sunday didn't happen in 1921 it happened on Sunday November 21st 1920 and Collins didn't go to London for the truce Devalera went.
Why was there never an autopsy on Collins simple to know of entry wound and Angle
22:00 if you ever want to see an absolutely badass picture of Eamon De Valera, look up the photograph from when he was made an honourary chief of the Ojibwe tribe
Lets do this!!!!
Brilliant again gents, just class!!!!!
i love the comment about putting a go pro on dan breen. class,
As long as none of Oisin's patients expire while the podcast is recorded please continue these.
I found your points about smart unschooled folks to be quite interesting. It's possible none of my grandparents even attended high school, and I'm fairly certain none graduated.
Now their grandson just sits around and listens to podcasts.
Thanks Kevin and Oisin , great channel, great content, stay strong stay free brother.
Thank you both,great show
Glad you enjoyed it
I love these history videos and I'd love to see more videos about history. It would be cool if you did some videos about some of the great warriors, tacticians, spies, etc from American history and even other places as well if you could find the right people.
Washington was something of a spy master himself and the history is fascinating.
Really good discussion. The newspaper for the volunteer movement at the time was called - 'An t-Óglách - The Official Organ of the Irish Volunteer'.
Great cast man
The Monto...Dan Breen in his book My Fight For Irish Freedom, praised the women who worked the streets there for collecting information and often, even the arms of army personal and delivered same to the republicans. The women who the streets of The Monto I think should be acknowledged for their part in the struggle for freedom...
If they're a freedom fighter I want to know about it. I don't care if it was just passing along messages, to me everyone who played a part played a part in Freedom. Many lost their life's that we will never know who they were or what they did.
@freebeerfordworkersI read somewhere once that we were colonised twice, first by the british and then the catholic church.
@@queenb62 everyone should be remembered who served our country
@@queenb62Yeah sure. Most Irishmen were Catholic. That was the only reason Éire was hard pressed but nowadays everyone goes on about the Church. The Church was the cradle of Irish nationalism.
@freebeerfordworkersOh! WoW! BASED!
Not just is the Beal na Blath armoured car still around (yes in the Curragh Museum)
But it was rebuilt (Timelapse video of it on TH-cam)
And still in running order
That photo of Michael Collins was taken in Cathal Brugha Barracks (then Portobello Barracks) in Dublin, as he came back from Mass, probably going back to the Red House (currently the HQ of the Army bands), which was meant to have been his quarters. There is a memorial to Collins at this very spot in the barracks, beside the current Privates Mess and Dining Hall and close to the Military archives. It is very close to the Main gate. It was unveiled around 10 years ago.
In the London times newspaper general Wilson stated about the reconquest of Ireland in April 1922 which was provocative which Collins felt he had to act on him
Where is Oisin from?
I’d like to make a suggestion that you both consider the contribution to the IRB of the Fenians specifically as it relates to the Fenian brotherhood. The brotherhood’s 19 century worldwide organization was huge and plays a part in the bombing campaign by ODonivan Rossa that preceded the war.
In addition the Boor War plays a part in contributing to the tactics of the IRA though the Boor’s gorilla tactics were employed
The countryside while the Rebels took it to the streets.
Much of the terrorist tactics employed in the Middle East today are taken from these earlier conflicts.
The ORahilly was a Boor commander in that conflict.
Insurgency tactics.
Or even the Boers?
@@seanmccann8368 Well the Boers side was seen as equivalent to the Irish and it was a turning-point in Irish nationalism. Of course the original comment does not give credit to them since in large part the Irish rebels were not an urban organisation but a rural one. The British were arguably winning The Irish War of Independence (1919-1921) but they did enough of course.
@@johnnotrealname8168 I agree completely, I was just pointing out they were Boers not Boors.
@@seanmccann8368 WoW! I am an egotistical @#£%&?!.
Tennant farms are almost like 15min citys
Lots of Irish were in the British Army my granddad who was Micks cousin was in the 2nd Boer war then was in Mons before the British Expedition Force had even left England then Ypres and still back in Mons on the last day of the war there was little if any work Mick and his sister moved near to us in the East End until 1916 when conscription started thats when he left for Ireland
Michael Collins was incredible so multifaceted minister of intelligence and finance main arms smuggler successful propagandist whats interesting about him he had a way of getting people to do the best most for him loved and loyal to those under his command
I just don't I understand why Wilson assassins dunne and Sullivan didn't have a getaway car driver close by kind of common sense basic especially with Sullivan with a peg leg
Hi Oisin. There is no record of O'Sullivan being a sniper. Given he was badly wounded in the right arm in WW1, and was an intelligence officer in IRA, when he died in 1950 he became a convenient fall guy.
I think you mean Sonny O'Neill, it was Seamus Kearney who claims that O'Neill took the fatal shot, but his story has big holes in it. Tom Foley, who was at the ambush site, doesn't remember Kearney being there and also stated that Sonny O'Neill had already left by the time the convoy arrived. Kearney then claimed that O'Neill told him the day after the ambush, that he had taken the fatal shot. O'Neill served in he Cavalry and as you've said was not a trained sniper.
@@strawdog291The range may not have required a sniper and you assume it was a sniper. Why would you bring a sniper to an ambush?
All the books say it was a ricoshey that killed him.
@@patrickporter1864 Rick o'shea has denied he was there
Your on about Sonny O'Neill
Mr. Owens
You did not tell us if you were pro or anti treaty. I'd love know. But I understand if you would like to keep that to yourself!
Also, do you have a Facebook account? Or just TH-cam, Instagram, and TH-cam?
I've also noticed you haven't posted to Rumble lately. Have you abandoned that platform as well?
I used to drink in the Confession Box.
The Irish turned world opinion against the English. Irish writers turned the English language into sorcery. The most prevalent national origin of Marine officers at Iwo Jima was Irish. But they aren't perfect; when you find four Irishmen together you will often find a fifth!
How can anyone align the TeT offensive to the 1916 rebellion, nonesense
1. It was reported that even ANZAC’s (who were on their way to France) were diverted to Dublin. Some were Irish born or first generation and didn’t know where they were until they emerged on the streets of Dublin & were ordered to shoot at Republicans!
2. Didn’t the British & Americans make the same mistake in Iraq, post invasion & place all Iraqi’s in the same big prison where they organised resistance?
Dev was one set up treaty bur sent collins to go get it as he knew there was never 32 county in table he sold MC out Trator dev form anty treaty yet after MC death he ran sat in same treaty dail. I smell rat
Sean Lamass was never a member of the squad he was a member of the 1st Dublin brigade, not one of the twelve apostles went against collinsand why does nobody ever talk about the fact that with or without Collins signing the treaty Ireland was already partitioned by the government of Ireland act December 1921 and these are historical facts
@@JohnBoylan-r3tWhat has that got to do with Partition and his role in it?
This is illogical. In fact the historical alignment on the question is particularly funny.
are you drunk writing this silly statement, it seeems so to me
That sniper fake had bad right hand walker with aide of cane on left hand some sniper collins was excutet close range inside job
Why doesn't he want to talk about the "covid shit" ? Its the same stuff that Collin's was fighting !!!!
Kirsten has a good personality and is good looking too, but we lose that Irish accent and your personality when you're not on the mic. I would like to see a podcast where you're both on the podcast talking to a 3rd person.
DL was a coward