Very nicely done. :o) I plan to use some of the info. you provided on a smaller scale to make mini-pond water features to reduce mosquitos and aerate the ponds without electricity. Thanks for the inspiration! God bless!!
Good work !Congratulations . As MATH , there are many things that don't get old.... I've built a savonius electric generator ( see savonius santa fe here ) and now I've connected an axial flux small ac generator to it ,but the final project is to connect an 3 phase AC motor as generator on a bigger and more powerfull savonius device .
Thanks for the video. This has been a windy year here, but normally, not much wind so looking more at your water spiral pump. Interesting that the water spiral pump video was published in 2017 (placed questions on that video) and this one which seems more sophisticated was published in 2010.
Thanks. The water spiral pump's simplicity was, in large part, to avoid some of the complications that come with greater complexity. As I mentioned in my answers to your queries about it, I think I would put a flexible rotating pipe (gas pump hose) inside a flexible stationary pipe (poly) for both of the designs to achieve both simplicity and compact design.
Hi All, The book "Wind and Windspinners" by Michael Hackleman, apparently reprinted in 2010, predates this design by decades, but is well worth reading. Thanks, take care
Just a thought....While you are Moving that water uphill anyway, Why not add a screw type electric generator at the end where the water comes out? Great work btw, good luck with your pursuits.
Hello prosstaylor. your idea for changing the svaonius at high wind is very nice. would you care to provide more information and drawings? Thanks. Noam
Is there a calculation for the pressure (how high this rotor can push the water) according to wraps and/or total length of pipe? I need the water to be pumped up about 2 meters above water level.
I can imagine both of the halves of the Savonius Rotor being mounted on sliding tracks with adjustable stops at each endpoint in the travel, and an adjustable spring on each half to pull it back into position after the high winds subside. The problem with this setup would be the likely tendency for the sliding pieces to stick and jam in the tracks. Your rotational governor seems more efficient and reliable.
I may be misunderstanding your suggestion -- it seems you would have the to barrel halves sliding out on rails but still maintaining the same orientation to the wind. This would result in even greater forces on the rotor at high wind speeds -- larger rotational radius producing more torque and greater chance of disintegration due to rotational forces. In my system, the effective radius stays the same, but the system becomes less efficient, absorbing less energy and thus protecting itself from destruction.
@@prosstaylor No, the idea was to have a heavy counterweight on the other end of each half to swing out against a spring and pull the two sliding halves together to form more of a closed cylinder to slow it down, but I still agree your idea is more elegant, and uses rotating friction, not sliding friction and has no heavy counterweights like mine to slow the wheel down.
Oh, sorry, @@andrewbarrett1537, I misunderstood. I actually have a drawing of a design like the one you describe, but I haven't implemented it. This makes an aggressive, positive-action governor that starts well under low-wind conditions, and spins faster but with decreased torque under high-speed conditions.
@@prosstaylor...........i'm very impressed with the design..Think you have pitched it just right.,between availability and complexity and with attention it could almost arrive in the barrel that becomes the turbine..
Complimenti! Vorrei farti Però una domanda, Come fa la pompa a mandare su a quella altezza l'acqua senza che l'acqua torni indietro? Hai installato una valvola di non ritorno?
No valves required -- the air in the top half of each "wrap" of the pipe prevents any flow-back. In essence, each wrap of the pipe has a vapour lock that moves ahead as the spiral pump turns.
Hi, Joseph, I don't have blueprints for this -- it was a research platform that led to a number of changes (most significantly, I ended up using gas pump hose for all the flexible links, and I put up a simple 2x4 frame to provide a bearing on the top of the turbine). My intent was to get people thinking as to how they could use materials locally available to them to build something similar. In terms of contacting me, the email provided in the video works best -- that's how I get notifications like yours from TH-cam as well.
Bro, when u say that 50 liters per hour, that is heart breaking. All excitation went away. Do you have any more efficient solutions for compiting Motorized pumps.
Efficiency isn't a strong point for Savonius rotors -- horizontal turbines with carefully-engineered blades are much more efficient. My intent is to show that it's possible to convert some of the energy available into useful work using a low-cost, simple design. I'd be interested to see if anyone out there has a design that's suitably inexpensive, simple, and efficient all at the same time -- that's an excellent goal to aim for.
@@Francois_Dupont Thanks for your input. The spiral pump has at least three advantages over a piston pump. 1) low-cost (i.e. low tolerance) piston pumps typically drain back when not active, whereas the spiral pump is ready to deliver water the moment the wind comes up, since it is impossible for it to drain back unless there is a leak in the piping. 2) the spiral pump can pump dirty/gritty/bug-filled/weed-filled water without damage or loss of performance. 3) the spiral pump can be made by relatively unskilled people without any special equipment. The piston pump is the obvious choice for pumping water from a well, but the spiral pump is nicely suited to intermittent pumping from surface water sources. Working in conjunction with a biofilter, it could be used to produce drinking water from contaminated pools and streams.
@@prosstaylor what i dont like with this compared to a piston pump is the flexible hoses used to deliver the movement and the water. it is is weakest point in my view.
@@Francois_Dupont You are absolutely right -- I tried a lot of things before I eventually settled on 3/4" gas pump hose, which has now been working for me without fail for a few years. Another option is a rotating seal like those used in wind-up garden hoses.
Look into how the centrifugal advance distributors work. ;) He effectively gives the blades most powerful "wing effect" at slower speeds, as it picks up speed and it gets too fast, it reduces the "wing" so it slows down, pulls back in, big wing, speed up, little wing slow down. Repeat as nature allows.
Very nicely done. :o) I plan to use some of the info. you provided on a smaller scale to make mini-pond water features to reduce mosquitos and aerate the ponds without electricity. Thanks for the inspiration! God bless!!
HI: Just wanted to say "Thank You". This was a great working model.
Good work !Congratulations . As MATH , there are many things that don't get old.... I've built a savonius electric generator ( see savonius santa fe here ) and
now I've connected an axial flux small ac generator to it ,but the final project is to connect an 3 phase AC motor as generator on a bigger and more powerfull savonius device .
@waltonsrcool Thanks, Stephen! Hopefully you'll get to see it "live" this summer!
Thanks for the video. This has been a windy year here, but normally, not much wind so looking more at your water spiral pump. Interesting that the water spiral pump video was published in 2017 (placed questions on that video) and this one which seems more sophisticated was published in 2010.
Thanks. The water spiral pump's simplicity was, in large part, to avoid some of the complications that come with greater complexity. As I mentioned in my answers to your queries about it, I think I would put a flexible rotating pipe (gas pump hose) inside a flexible stationary pipe (poly) for both of the designs to achieve both simplicity and compact design.
@@prosstaylor more compact design is through the inverted barometer so we download the water instead of uploading it 😃😃😃
great job on your video and pump
One of the bes mechanized eco system
Hi All,
The book "Wind and Windspinners" by Michael Hackleman, apparently reprinted in 2010, predates this design by decades, but is well worth reading.
Thanks, take care
nice, different way of pumping water with a windmill.
hey, i know this voice! is it SH?.
great vid, your narration is exxccellent and your purpose for this project is even much greater.
good job.
Sam
Just a thought....While you are Moving that water uphill anyway, Why not add a screw type electric generator at the end where the water comes out? Great work btw, good luck with your pursuits.
Hello prosstaylor. your idea for changing the svaonius at high wind is very nice. would you care to provide more information and drawings? Thanks. Noam
Obrigado amigo,Deus te abençoe
The shaft or axle you've used is great, where did you get that?
Hola me podrías ayudar explicándome cómo se hace la tubería flexible hacia la bomba ?
Muito bom esse video!
Very good this video!
Is there a calculation for the pressure (how high this rotor can push the water) according to wraps and/or total length of pipe? I need the water to be pumped up about 2 meters above water level.
Take the diameter and multiply by the number of wraps to get the height and add a couple more turns for good measure.
Very cool ...Old is new again...Your pump is amazingly simple. I have a blog and woul like to get inputs from you. Let me know if you are interested.
I can imagine both of the halves of the Savonius Rotor being mounted on sliding tracks with adjustable stops at each endpoint in the travel, and an adjustable spring on each half to pull it back into position after the high winds subside. The problem with this setup would be the likely tendency for the sliding pieces to stick and jam in the tracks. Your rotational governor seems more efficient and reliable.
I may be misunderstanding your suggestion -- it seems you would have the to barrel halves sliding out on rails but still maintaining the same orientation to the wind. This would result in even greater forces on the rotor at high wind speeds -- larger rotational radius producing more torque and greater chance of disintegration due to rotational forces. In my system, the effective radius stays the same, but the system becomes less efficient, absorbing less energy and thus protecting itself from destruction.
@@prosstaylor No, the idea was to have a heavy counterweight on the other end of each half to swing out against a spring and pull the two sliding halves together to form more of a closed cylinder to slow it down, but I still agree your idea is more elegant, and uses rotating friction, not sliding friction and has no heavy counterweights like mine to slow the wheel down.
Oh, sorry, @@andrewbarrett1537, I misunderstood. I actually have a drawing of a design like the one you describe, but I haven't implemented it. This makes an aggressive, positive-action governor that starts well under low-wind conditions, and spins faster but with decreased torque under high-speed conditions.
@@prosstaylor...........i'm very impressed with the design..Think you have pitched it just right.,between availability and complexity and with attention it could almost arrive in the barrel that becomes the turbine..
Complimenti!
Vorrei farti Però una domanda, Come fa la pompa a mandare su a quella altezza l'acqua senza che l'acqua torni indietro?
Hai installato una valvola di non ritorno?
No valves required -- the air in the top half of each "wrap" of the pipe prevents any flow-back. In essence, each wrap of the pipe has a vapour lock that moves ahead as the spiral pump turns.
Very nice
@prosstaylor How do we contact you? Are there blueprints or plans for this?
Hi, Joseph, I don't have blueprints for this -- it was a research platform that led to a number of changes (most significantly, I ended up using gas pump hose for all the flexible links, and I put up a simple 2x4 frame to provide a bearing on the top of the turbine). My intent was to get people thinking as to how they could use materials locally available to them to build something similar. In terms of contacting me, the email provided in the video works best -- that's how I get notifications like yours from TH-cam as well.
Ouger 1 axel Done!
that so good to thanks
Genial!!!
Nice going Ross! I totally get it (not)!
Какой напор?
Needs springs when savonius turns it like throw it
Bro, when u say that 50 liters per hour, that is heart breaking. All excitation went away.
Do you have any more efficient solutions for compiting Motorized pumps.
Efficiency isn't a strong point for Savonius rotors -- horizontal turbines with carefully-engineered blades are much more efficient. My intent is to show that it's possible to convert some of the energy available into useful work using a low-cost, simple design. I'd be interested to see if anyone out there has a design that's suitably inexpensive, simple, and efficient all at the same time -- that's an excellent goal to aim for.
@@prosstaylor a simple circular disk driving a piston pump and rod would be better in my opinion.
@@Francois_Dupont Thanks for your input. The spiral pump has at least three advantages over a piston pump. 1) low-cost (i.e. low tolerance) piston pumps typically drain back when not active, whereas the spiral pump is ready to deliver water the moment the wind comes up, since it is impossible for it to drain back unless there is a leak in the piping. 2) the spiral pump can pump dirty/gritty/bug-filled/weed-filled water without damage or loss of performance. 3) the spiral pump can be made by relatively unskilled people without any special equipment. The piston pump is the obvious choice for pumping water from a well, but the spiral pump is nicely suited to intermittent pumping from surface water sources. Working in conjunction with a biofilter, it could be used to produce drinking water from contaminated pools and streams.
@@prosstaylor what i dont like with this compared to a piston pump is the flexible hoses used to deliver the movement and the water. it is is weakest point in my view.
@@Francois_Dupont You are absolutely right -- I tried a lot of things before I eventually settled on 3/4" gas pump hose, which has now been working for me without fail for a few years. Another option is a rotating seal like those used in wind-up garden hoses.
is it still working ?
Yes -- I've replaced the flexible links with 3/4" fuel pump hose, but other than that, it's pretty much the same!
i am very interested in your governor.
Look into how the centrifugal advance distributors work. ;)
He effectively gives the blades most powerful "wing effect" at slower speeds, as it picks up speed and it gets too fast, it reduces the "wing" so it slows down, pulls back in, big wing, speed up, little wing slow down. Repeat as nature allows.
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GOOD JOB !!! 🙂👍
👍+sub ! ;) ...
Nice....👍
add hydrotaran
How high it is ???if it's 10 meters high then use a barometer. And download the water instead of uploading 😃😃😃😃😃
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Colocasse uma bomba de acordo que tá com meu canal se que eu quero puxar água
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