The Two Deaths of the Admiral Nakhimov
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- In August on 1986 the SS Admiral Nakhimov would collide with a massive freighter and sink with startling speed to the bottom of the Black Sea. But surprisingly this wouldn't be the first time she sunk. This is the story of a 6 decade old passenger liner that went from service vessel to the Nazi party, to transport ship for soviet troops, to it's final plunge as a passenger liner for soviet citizens.
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You should do the Laconia Incident.
Man I would really like to see a video explaining the difference between "Gros Registred Ton", "Large Ton", "Short Ton" and a normal Ton.
@@diegoviniciomejiaquesada4754 Don't forget long ton.
This channel is dope as hell.
If you didn't do it is it possible to make a video of how you do your research and where you Get your information on these stories
If I had a nickel for everytime the SS Admiral Nakhimov sank I would have two nickels. Not a lot, but still weird that it happened twice.
Technically it only happened to the SS Admiral Nakhimov once. The other time it was the German ship Berlin.
@@panzerabwerkanone A ship’s IMO number stays the same throughout her career, in this case being 5002986.
Good joke 👍
Retard if I'm right?
Why does that fit so well?
SS Berlin: Hits mine
SS Berlin: "Wanna see me do it again?"
Pyotr Vasev: I'm about to ruin this man's whole career.
🤣
And that's what she said.
4:16 the German word for hospital used in daily conversation is "Krankenhaus" which literally means sick house. A "Lazarett" in the German language means a military hospital specifically
nice video still
Exactly
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@@ivangenov6782 du kannst es auch beißen
Beweisen....bitte schön
a little extra info:
it is said that the helmsman never tried to get off the ship, rather, locking himself back in his cabin... all who saw him in the moments after the collision said he was lucid, but in a state of deranged anguish....
of the Ship Master... after release from prison, SS A.Nakhimov's captain, Vladimir Markoff, would go on making a living by ferrying sailing yachts from the Baltic & across the Atlantic... (the maritime community did not believe him culpable in the incident, and his licenses were not revoked)
in a tragic irony of fate, on a dark stormy night he would die hitting the shoals off Biscayan Islands (entry to Saint Johns)... within sight of the grain docks where Pyotyr Vasyov had started on her fateful voyage....
(source: "The Dilettante" Historical Periodical of Echo S.Petersburgh Press)
(currently, its own unit as Dilitant.Media)
Ошибка. Яхты перегонял и погиб капитан "Петра Васева"- Виктор Ткаченко. Вадим Марков работал в офисе судоходной компании там же, в Одессе. Работал...Инструктором по безопасности судовождения! Вскоре умер.
I was born in Odessa in 75 and my parents and I would take the Black Sea cruise every year. Nakhimov was the flag ship and it was very hard to get tickets but we were supposed to be on that last voyage. Thankfully my parents friends couldn’t make that date so we switched to a smaller ship on a different date. My English teacher’s husband perished there. After every time we’d pass that spot there’s be a ceremony with flowers being dropped in the water. It’s remarkable how close to the shore such a tragedy can happen.
I first sailed on it with my parents in 1963 and thought it was grandest most magnificent thing ever, fit for a Queen. Even when bigger, more modern ships like Taras Shevchenko or Ivan Franko were at the peir, the Admiral was always special, like a grand old patriarch, not as young, a bit weathered but still splendid .
Are you still in Ukraine?
Спасибо, что напомнили об этой трагедии и сделали это с честью и уважением. Я подсел на ваши видео)))
just a tip, if you ever cover another story about a Lazarettschiff the pronounciacion is Lat-sa-ret (Lat like in latin, sa like in savage, ret like in reticle) and schiff is just like ship but with F instead of P at the end.
greetings from germany, just found your channel like an hour or so ago and i am already addicted, keep up the good work mate
Russian-language Wikipedia, which has a longer article on the Nakhimov than the English one, informs that the two captains were released from prison in 1992. Captain Viktor Tkachenko change his name to his wife’s maiden name - Talyor, and emigrated to Israel. In September 2003, the yacht Viktor Talyor was captaining off Newfoundland at the time sank. The bodies of those drowned in the incident, including that of the captain, were recovered on the Canadian shore. V. Tkachenko was buried in Tel Aviv.
After his release, Captain Vadim Markov took up residence in Odessa and worked in the Black Sea merchant fleet as an instructor for passenger vessel captains. He died in Odessa following a severe illness on 31 May 2007.
"Israel"
Figures...
@@AusDenBergen
"Cool it with the antisemitic remarks" 😎
@@TchaikovskyXVII oy it's not antisemitic, that's pure cohencidence!
@@AusDenBergen The goyim know, shut it down
@@AusDenBergen I wouldn't be letting people like that in the country unless there is special sauce to the story.
8:27 Rule 8 Actions to avoid collision
(b) Any alteration of course and/or speed to avoid collision shall, if the circumstances of the case admit, be large enough to be readily apparent to another vessel observing visually or by radar; a succession of small alterations of course and/or speed should be avoided.
Yes, it would appear someone had never read The International Rules for Prevention of Collision at Sea.
One other mistake...turning to port. The Nakhimov should have attempted to turn to STARBOARD, towards the stern of the freighter. They probably would have been able to pass clear had they done so initially. The idea is that you want to get out of the "line of fire" so to speak...and if you aim for (or preferably behind) the stern, by the time you get to the point where the other vessel's stern was, you have already passed clear. I hope that makes sense... It's easier to describe with a visual aid! lol
This is a good lesson on what NOT to do to avoid a collision! Never turn to port for a vessel forward of the beam!
@@ryano.5149 exactly!
@@ryano.5149 "When red on green you see ahead. Port your helm and show your red."
For the non-mariners in the audience, I will translate the mnemonic.
A ships running lights are red on the port side and green on the starboard side. When you see a red (port) running light on your starboard side you are the burdened ship and must maneuver. The proper maneuver is a sufficiently large right hand turn to show your own red (port) running light and show the other ship that you have maneuvered. "Port your helm" refers to the motion of a tiller. Pushing the tiller to the left make you go right. I was taught this as a young boy by my father and grandfather who were naval officers before me.
The first time anyone calculated a CBDR closing the flashing red lights should have gone off in every watch-stander's head and both captains called to the bridge. At that point every moment matters.
I'm loving that I've found this channel - Love me a bit of Naval history and the fact you are an ex S&R (Thanks for the service, even all the way from NZ)
I'd never heard of the Nakhimov before, so thank you - the vid was very informative. And I reckon you did a great job with the pronounciations :D
I spend a LOT of time trying to get it right. Most of my editing time goes into cutting out multiple takes of me trying to pronounce things correctly lol
It sounds like it should have been a warship.
Admiral Knock-him-off.
Maybe it was purchased by the Russian mafia...?
@@MaritimeHorrors Hi! Your channel is really nice, and I really like the videos!
Since you mentioned trying to get pronunciations correct, here are a few comments in that direction, in case you get to cover any other German ships:
The German ie is long i, close to English ee. So the city of Kiel is pronounced the same way you tend to pronounce keel. (fun fact keel in German is also called Kiel, just like the city).
Next, there's the Lazarettschiff. The Schiff part means ship, and the i there is pronounced the same way as in English ship. The Lazarett part is a bit difficult to explain... The German Z is a bit difficult to explain to English speakers... It's often transcribed as the ts sound from tsetse fly. Some other examples would be the sound at the end of words like cats or sits, especially if you pronounce it quickly.
I'm not a big expert on the Russian part of the pronunciations. They mostly sound OK to me, except the Х in Нахимов. Namely, it's often transliterated into English as kh, but the actual sound is much closer to h as in "here" than k as in kilo.
@@MaritimeHorrors i love your docus. That’s a lot of effort here! You can enter the german words in google translator and hit the speaker icon and listen to the robot. It sounds pretty accurate how it is really pronounced. Swiss here, so i don‘t speak a true German, more an aborigine German :-P
I guess it's understandable this didn't get more attention, it was just a couple of months after Chernobyl.
this guy doesn't get enough credit for his Russian accent impression
started scrolling just for this comment LOL
Interesting fact: The last picture of the Admiral Nahimov was taken supposedly a little after after midday on August 31, 1986. She would sink later that night. The picture can be found on Wikipedia.
I don't care who you, where you come from, or what nationality you claim. The heartbreak in a parent's eyes from losing a child, no matter the age, is Universal. 12:53 😢
Im a survivor from the Herald of free Enterprise (Zeebrugge) disaster.
Im just wondering if you would consider doing a joint video about it.
I'v never yet made public my experiences and also through my studies since that night i"m probably one of the most knowledgeable about the ship before and after the Disaster message me if your interested m8.im loving your channel.I would consider alter the "2 deaths" part of the title tho obviously a miss type but you know what the trolls and cranks are like on here 🙄🥴🤔🧐
Wow, that's got to be a very harrowing tale. I do have the M/S Herald of Free Enterprise on my list of ships to cover (mind you that list seems to grow everyday lol). Also I'm not much of an interviewer. But honestly I feel like that would be very interesting and I'd love to hear your side of what happened! Nothing really can beat a first hand account. I'm part way through my whole Ghost Ship Month, but maybe I'll start gathering some research material and send you a message and we can organize an interview.
@@MaritimeHorrors That would be great! I'm sure a lot of your audience are familiar with the story but to hear Susan's take on it would be very interesting indeed. I think it says a lot about the quality and integrity of your work for her to even suggest being a part of such an enterprise.
I was a truck driver on the Herald of Free Enterprise II that evening. I survived by going up top for a cigarette rather than to bed to sleep. I must be a rare breed where smoking saved my life.
@@robsmithracing Would you be willing to contribute to this?
@@marvindebot3264 of course, I’m getting on a bit in years now and retired but I still remember that night.
How two big ships can not see each other coming on open water always amazed me.
They saw each other. They just didn't follow proper passing procedure.
Your pronounciation is so different and "strange" that it actually sounds really cool. Thank you very much for making a video about our vessel!
A request (of sorts) - the tragic story of cruise liner Bulgaria (derived from an old country near Volga, not the one in the Balkans) is also very interesting, you could also do a video on that.
This is literally the opposite of defensive driving... "Nah, we won't hit. It's fine stop worrying."
But they wouldn't have hit if the helmsman hadn't adjusted course
Yeah...but her captain was right...
Hey man, appreciate your Work, but one quick intervention, please do not try to speak out german words you dont know, it hurts. You can spell them as subtitle on the video or just use the english term, but when you were talking about the Lazarettschiff i didnt even know for the first seconds, what you were talking about. Use for better pronouncing the LEO translator or even the google translator and hear the pronouncing. It should help. Greetings
Edit: btw, same goes for Swinemünde xD
Your russian pronunciation is suspiciously good
Uhhh... I rooted for Rocky in Rocky IV. I swear.
@@MaritimeHorrors Comrade, come home...
Russian pronunciation isn't too difficult, still not the easiest though 😉
as someone speaking both russian and german: your pronunciation wasn't spot on, but thank you for your effort, as most ytbers wouldn't even try to do that. it really shows, that you care. good job!
I have heard of the second time the Admiral Nakhimov sank, but I didn't know it was her second sinking until I saw this video. Great job!
Also, as a suggestion for a future video, I have never seen anyone do a video on the 1900 Hoboken Docks fire.
The History Guy did a good one a few months ago. I'm sure this channel would do well too though.
Didn’t Mark Felton do an episode on that?
Hey, have you ever thought of doing one on the Halifax disaster? I have yet to find a good video on the pre-explosion events of December 6th, 1917, the largest manmade non-nuclear explosion in history, caused, best I can tell, by negligence of two captains.
There is one by Fascinating Horror. I would like to hear this channel do one too.
I think the largest non nuclear explosion actually happened during the soviet test of the n1 rocket...
@@vegasspaceprogram6623 Nope. Halifax explosion is still far larger. About a quarter of the force of the Little Boy nuclear bomb.
@@PandaMan-xy1he huh. The n1 failure resulted in a blast of like, 3 kilertones worth of tnt...but the novascotia vblast was probly bigger...
@@vegasspaceprogram6623 The N1 blast had a potential energy of 6kt, but only produced ~1kt in the end due to the fuel being mostly still separated. The Halifax explosion was just 3kt of actual TNT going off simultaneously. Blew the entire Halifax port to pieces.
I'd like you to do one on the Estonia disaster.
It's on the list.
@@MaritimeHorrors
Im curious on your thoughts on the cause of the sinking.
This channel needs way more subscribers lol
Appreciate the support, shipmate!
I just discovered your channel and I can’t get enough. I’ve had no interest in boats or maritime culture and you’re changing that fast. Bravo!
7 minutes...think about that! 7...minutes! Just, wow!
other commentators when faced with russian words: there's a word idk how to pronounce! sorry i'll probably pronounce it totally wrong lol *mangles it terribly*
maritime horrors when faced with russian words: *gets briefly possessed mid-sentence by the ghost of a native russian speaker*
No, I’m pretty sure the Baltic fleet in the Russo-Japanese war was the worst maritime disaster in Russian history…
To be fair wasn't it just primarily one ship and crew with a Captain who was convinced there were Japanese torpedo boats everywhere the problem?
I’m amazed that 811 of the 1,234 onboard did survive given how the ship sank so fast.
Yeah that is actually impressive.
@@AusDenBergenNo lifeboats could be launched in that short time
Relatively warm and calm summer sea + no heavy clothing + many could swim. Sounds like a few just jumped right out of their cabins through open portholes instead of getting into a stampede somewhere
Such a huge loss not just the enormous human toll but the loss of the last of the great pre-war European liners.
S.S. Wilhelm Gustloff
@@joachimguderian4048 The _Wilhelm Gustloff_ was powered by Diesel motors, and as such held the prefix “MV.”
It was supposed to be scrapped after this last cruise
Another excellent episode my man, keep em coming, I'll be viewing!!!🙏👍😎
Maritime Horrors should take a look at the Mikhail Lermontov. That was tragedy mixed with alcohol and stupidity. FW&FS2U.
Sounds like a case of Drunk driving
What amazes me and we still see this today in commercial aircraft is the fact that people actually see these things developing and because of their place or rank many times choose not to take action or speak up, especially in other countries. I know commercial airlines have taken steps and created policies and rules that sort of force lower rank or position pilots to act or speak, yet it still happens because the trust put into the rank or seniority of the other person.
Considering the ship went down in seven minutes I am amazed so many actually got off and survived.
Good job, crew!
Just think a certain Captain Schettino had been in command. Not a hundred would have made it... XD
Does the Russian Baltic Fleet's cursed voyage to the Pacific and ensuing Battle of Tsushima count as a Maritime Horror?
Admiral Nakhimov ordered to scuttle his ships during the Siege of Sevastopol (1854)
Ships named after Nakhimov has bad luck:
Cruiser Admiral Nakhimov (1885) sunk at the Battle of Tsushima (1905)
Light cruiser Admiral Nakhimov (1915) was sunk by aircraft (1941)
SS Admiral Nakhimov (1925) sunk in 1986.
But another 3 ships with this name had a more successful fate - 2 cruisers were scrapped and a nuclear-powered battlecruiser still in use
It looks like if the Nakhimov stayed her course she would have been all right.
Ship looks extremely modern for when it was created.
It was a good looking ship. Shame she sank under such horrible circumstances. A ship like that is more fitting of an artificial reef than as an underwater mass grave.
Why try to evade to port? That looks like it steers you into the oncoming ship, not away from it.
>Admiral Nakhimov
But wait! There's more!
1 The armored cruiser of the same name, took part in the infamous voyage of the damned, being part of the second pacific squadron during the russo-japanese war. Sank at the battle of tsushima.
2 The light cruiser. Well, an entire class of light cruisers. The lead ship was renamed chervona ukraina after the revolution, sank during the ww2, was later raised and used as a target. Out of 4 laid down ships of this class, only two were completed - the other being Admiral Lazarev, renamed krasny kavkaz after the revolution, fared a bit better during the war, was then used as a training ship after it ended, and finally was also used as a target.
There were two more vessels that re-used the name but didn't have such eventful careers and were eventually scrapped. Currently one of the kirov class battlecruisers is also re-using the name and is undergoing a refit and might start sea trials this year.
Seeing as how fate of ships bearing this name is a bit of a coin toss, I'd think twice before boarding one. Still, better than the Kamchatka...
Found your channel in my recommendations. I have great interest in the Golden Age of Transatlantic Liners, having scores of books and periodicals on the subject. Some of those deal with maritime tragedies, as well. It is an interesting pleasure to see the high degree of information and graphics/video you bring to these subjects. This is a clear, concise effort and easy to follow even if one just has a basic interest in what can happen with man and machine on the oceans and seas. I’ll add something to Cunard’s old advertising slogan, “Getting there is half the fun (unless you never get there). My friend, you should have many more subscribers. But well done. Since I am retired, I’ll be binge watching your other videos. Subscribed.
Losing the Mikhail Lermontov in February, then Chernobyl, now this. 1986 was a sad year for the Soviet Union.
Sadly it was probably the beginning of the end. They USSR didn't last much longer afterwards.
Yep, that was around when the reforms began happening that would start the events that led to the shelling of the soviet parlament building in 93.
I knew about the 'Admiral Nakhimov', but this might be the first video about it I've encountered. Well scripted, and well presented.
I wonder if you would consider covering the TEV (turbo-electric vessel) 'Wahine' (said 'WAH-hee-neh'), which is probably the best known wreck in New Zealand (where I live), as not only was it very close to shore and relative safety, but the unfolding saga was broadcast on radio and TV (something of a novelty in 1968 for NZ). Like the 'Herald of Free Enterprise' it was a RO-RO ferry, but it hit the reef just outside Wellington Harbour when trying to escape the clutches of the two cyclones that had merged over Wellington, creating winds of up to 275 kph/171 mph. Eventually it capsized, and 53 people were lost either to drowning, exposure or being dashed upon the rocky beaches.
Great channel from what I can see, and you have a new subscriber.
Never heard this story before. Very well made.
I've been watching a few of these and they're so great!!! I can't wait to see the quality of production impove over the years as you gain experience in video making and voice recording. subscribed !
You’re really doing an amazing job. Thank you for the great quality of your content.
So. the Passev set her course to miss the other ship, then the other ship turned (the wrong way) into a collision course, but her captain still spent 15 years in jail?
The error was to make such small changes in course, he should have made much larger changes and to starboard, by turning to port he probably guaranteed that they would colide (as they did collide after those alterations in course) similarly by making small changes in course it would not necessarily be obvious to the on coming vessel that he was doing so very poor seamanship.
Considering how Russia treats their ships today I think the Nakhimov is glad it sank. It would've been a shame to watch her rot away in Rostov or somewhere else.
Even then, any sinking is still a tragedy. May the souls who lost their lives on the Nakhimov rest in peace.
Awesome channel! I love all your videos and can’t wait for more!
I like your Russian accent!!! Its the best😃
Small note, Lazarett specifically means military hospital, not a regular hospital. Those are called Krankenhaus or Klinik
Klinik ... clinic?
@@bradmiller2329yes. And 'krankenhaus' is literally 'sick house'
I have very little experience with ships, but I can't understand how, with radar, moving at such a slow pace, 2 ships could collide that way.
Капитан Ткаченко был недисциплинированным лихачом. Он очень любил проскакивать перед судами и не уступал дорогу. По радару он рассчитал, что пройдет за 50 метров перед Нахимов, но рулевой Нахимова сделал ошибку: увеличил скорость и немного повернул курс.
Thank you so much for this❤
My dad told me about that ship a while ago, he even got to be on in 1977 when he was a kid while it stood in sochis harbour, he said it was the most famous ship at the time
4:15 - Hospital is Krankenhaus… nobody uses Lazarett except military
this was very interesting.
you should do more passenger liners more often 👍
Planes: plane crash channel
Ships: maritime disasters channel.
Just stay home...
Murder channel
These stories make me shake my head, such a vast ocean and yet, and yet ships well aware of each other are drawn together like magnets.
Sounds like the second in command turned right into the freighter's path.
There can be few more horrific ways to die than being trapped aboard a pitch black, listing, sinking and flooding vessel with no possibility of escape or rescue!
The screams and shrieking of the terrified victims and the sound of the seawater surging into every space one's final sounds...
You should cover the MV Wilheim Gustloff, another commandeered German cruise liner used for evacuation efforts in the closing of WWII, sunk by Soviet forces with an estimated 9,400-9,600 fatalities.
Thats alot of dead nazis.
New Subscriber,enjoying your work keep it up
So the bulk captain was hard on Vodka right? Else WTF
Do a video on the USS Indianapolis, The HMS Jersey, or Japanese Hell ships. All three are true Maritime horrors.
Did you put this on every video? o.O
@@ThroneOfBhaal you bet your ass I did, I just love this channel, and think he would knock it out of the park!
All those photos of the АДМИРАЛ НАХИМОВ's wreck is actually really creepy.
Love that you put effort into pronunciation of Russian names
I always heard Krankenhaus as the German word for hospital... Literally "sick-house"
Reminds me a lot of the Empress of Ireland and Arctic
"THE RUSSIAN TITANIC"
So they wouldn't have hit if the helmsman hadn't adjusted course
Excellent presentation!
3:20 that’s the SS France it was a ship that Went Into service on April 20 1912 five days After the titanic sank
Ah thanks for that, I thought it didn't look right! Different livery and 4 stacks instead of 2 - which just made me wonder what ship it really was.
You make fine videos, but I have one request:
PLEASE find something other then that B & W video of the ocean. It's seemingly in every video. I know this may sound nuts, but it gets annoying after a while.
Some pictures show her with two funnels and some show four funnels??? What's the deal?
I think it was just a mistake, 3:20 is hospital ship SS France, four funnels and different livery.
Oh god, you said "founder", not "flounder"! You're my hero today!
I just found this channel. And its utterly absurd how good you are at story telling. I love the detail and enthusiasm as well!
I'd say the Battle of Tsushima was probably a bigger maritime disaster for the Russians.
Did the helmsman go down with his ship because he felt he was responsible? I wonder why he would stay while the captain himself abandoned ship?
Он приговорил себя к смерти сам, осознав, что его ошибка стоила сотни жизней. Это суицид. Его нашли лежащим на диване в запертой каюте изнутри, ключ в скважине.
Поступок настоящего офицера!
Takes me 7 minutes to smoke a cigarette. Holy crap it sank fast. Thought the Lusitania sank fast.
Isn't the German word for hospital Krankenhaus?
It is, though "Lazarett" was used as well - its a little antiquated now but it would have been used in WW2
Great prononsiation of russian and ukraian cities. And names too! Great job!
Its hilarious how you shift into a stereotypical Russian accent from 80's Action movies, when pronouncing Russian names.
nice
My gf said the same thing when I mention that the ship was 69' at the beam.
Still can't fathom having all that ocean and still being able to collide with the one object for hundreds of miles due to human error
my father and mother was supposed to be on this ship. the only reason why they weren't because apparently father was too lazy and got to the ticket booth too late and couldn't buy tickets anymore. But whenever they discuss this father says they have survived because most likely they would be drinking at the bar..
Thanks for the video have heard stories in my family about this ship but this is the most detailed description of what actually happened.
Krankhause meaning sick house. At least that is what I was taught in school...
Lol. German doesnt have trilled "R"s. Its guttural.
Sorry about the reupload. Still a very interesting story and I still feel bad about this poor ship.
Please do a video about the RMS Carmania. There’s a really funny story about it that took place during WW1
Also 69 feet…
Nice
Canadian grain is an interesting fact about the soviet economy ;)
I can't remember the spelling but there's an Italian (I think?) word similar to Lazeratte that meant quarantine; islands tended to be the earliest form of quarantine for various early pandemics and plagues, and some places had to employ ships as quarantine centres, which adopted a similar name
Bruh hmu if you need to know how to pronounce russian words or names
It was in our Black sea...
I really appreciate your effort in pronouncing foreign names/words correctly, it adds even more character to the video. Great job as always.
The head of Odessa district kgb office and his family were on the ship and that’s who the captain went to see after he left the bridge. Unfortunately the family didn’t make it
The whole in the side of it was bigger than my apartment
Fascinating video, thanks mate! I wonder if either / both Captains had had a few sherberts.
No. No. This was clearly not the worst disaster in Russian maritime history.
The Armenia would be a close one for worst, if not the worst. But that's a wartime disaster.