@@paul2609 Either by filming the screen with a camera using the same settings or having the SDR version be brightness matched in the HDR video container
Most important: Use Windows HDR Calibration tool. I beleive Windows default to a HDR1000 monitor. (Or it did on my setup, anyway.) After I used the Windows HDR Calibration Tool,, it show that I had a HDR600 monitor. Things looked a lot better. It only make sense. If the system is adjust SDR colors for a HDR1000 monitor, when in reality it is only a HDR600, it not going to look the best. (With HDR enable, you can check monitor setting at system > Display > Advance Display.)
Also another feature too, is that if you have a monitor that gets absurdly bright (displayHDR1400) but you want to be able to use it at night time, you can set up a calibration profile as if it were an HDR600 or HDR400 monitor and have it run at lower brightnesses, but still have proper HDR color and brightness control. You can easily change all these profiles in either windows color management or through display settings.
When people use SDR, they don't put it on sRGB mode. So they got used to really bad, uncalibrated, oversaturated image. Blame manufacturers for this, they don't use sRGB by default because they want to sell more TVs and monitors on a retail showfloor by oversaturating their TVs compared to the competing TV next to it so that they can make a sale. The industry is now aware of this and is trying to reverse this with HDR. HDR have strict standards that displays must be calibrated for atleast Rec709 (basically sRGB) or DCI-P3 (only 25% more colours than sRGB) out of the box. So when someone goes from uncalibrated, non-sRGB SDR to HDR Rec709/DCI-P3, they think it looks washed out but that is what colours are suppose to look like. Human skin are not supposed to look like it's red and sunburnt all the time, but that is what people who leave their monitors on non-sRGB mode thinks that looks good for some reason.
Yeah ! Peoples want to look their TV and Monitors as they were under illicit products. It's way funnier than looking at the true nuances of our objective world. They don't really want to look at reality with their displays.
Yeah ! Peoples want to look their TV and Monitors as they were under a word that bots don't let me to say. It's way funnier than looking at the true nuances of our objective world. They don't really want to look at reality with their displays.
Look at some grass through your phone's viewfinder. It is clearly less saturated. SDR is supposed to compress colors by reducing saturation. Old TVs used to have presets which restore the color but those are gone now.
I’m currently using my PC with an S90D while playing Cyberpunk, and I've noticed that everything looks significantly better with HDR turned off and sRGB calibrated. I even have a Spyder Pro, and I find it much easier to calibrate without HDR. The lack of a consistent standard for HDR in games and movies-like HDR+, HLG, and Dolby Vision-means that each show and game often requires custom calibration, making the whole process confusing and less effective.
Without telling you my life story I agree with this 100% I bought a really crappy HDR monitor and thought HDR sucked. Then I bought a really good yet crappy HDR monitor (LG 32GQ950-B) and messed with the saturation and contrast levels of the Nvidia control panel and it made it really good for me!!! Like it changed my views on HDR! Just the blacks weren't good. then got a QD OLED monitor and I'm super happy
I think most people refers to the SDR on HDR washed out look, and that is unavoidable... Only solution use SDR content on SDR and only turn on HDR to watch HDR content, that's what I do. "SDR" has a size on the color and luminance spectrum, the HDR size is just bigger, to put it in simple terms. When you try to fill the HDR with SDR you have to get things out of place and stretch them in order to fill the bigger space. When you map SDR black point cero luminance to the HDR space, what was cero now is positioned at the coordinate 0.1 luminance (just an example) this causes black to look a very dark grayish but not black, consequently all the other tones will be displayed a bit higher than they should to fill the space (we end up with raised gamma), and what happens when you display a tone on a higher luminance level, yes it looks washed out. This is the correct direct translation of SDR to HDR there's no way to do it better without heavily altering the image. You could do something different introducing digital processing to remap every tone to a new position altering heavily the intention of the original SDR image, you'll end up with over saturated colors, an over brightened image and probably not a pleasant image at all, but you get black to be cero again and gamma may be closer to what's expected of SDR
The argument of having a good/proper HDR monitor is true to some extent most people don't have a good one. But I do have one so I can speak on this. I have a Samsung Odyssey G7 28" 4K 144hz and can tell everyone first hand, that HDR does nothing but make colors way more saturated making everything way too bright causing massive eye strain and leads to headaches. It's either too bright or too dark. There is no way to properly adjust the colors so they are correct as there is no actual standard. A good way to explain this is simple Comparing SDR vs HDR is the same as comparing color vs black and white. Black and white is far more defined and has a 10 times sharper image than color.
I found out that on my HP laptop that HDR only works if you turn off HDR in the Windows display settings. Otherwise it breaks the color range (washed out) and blacks (artifacts like a blizzard in there). If the video is HDR, it will automatically turn on actual working HDR, (you notice that the Windows GUI menu looks washed out and the brightness turns on all the way up when the HDR video is on screen). It might be a conflict issue of an automatic setting clashing with a manual one.
I've been on SDR since the beginning of time. I tried going HDR today, and I just followed the Windows 11 HDR Calibration tool, and a color profile was automatically created and applied. I was surprised it looked awesome and more colorful. Also not eye straining as much unlike with SDR.
Honestly, I've been an HDR junkie for years. I've had the entire LG C series, most of the Samsung QN90 series, and multiple HDR monitors. In recent weeks, I've gotten sick of constantly twittling and tweaking everything. I'm now running everything in sRGB on an Innocn 32" LCD and I can just relax and enjoy my content.
Nah, yeah it is 100% not the end user's fault that the industry at large makes this such an issue. People rightfully expect that plugging in and using HDR SHOULD be as easy as plugging it in and enabling it and then it looks great, maybe with some subtle tweaks at best. The issue right now is that there are too many standards and no one is agreeing on the one to stick to for now and so on some monitors/TVs it looks bad, hell then there's Window's dog**** implementation of it, which works in some instances but doesn't in others. And finally there are games not using it properly (possibly b/c the APIs are convoluted nonsense, who knows). On controlled platforms like consoles, HDR tends too look fine, better even in all cases. But the industry really needs to codify a 10 year standard and then every 10 years upgrade to the newer better one (once all existing tech is ready for it). There needs to be an actual plan here, instead of everyone adhering to whatever the hell they want, leading to all kinds of crappy incompatibility issues and worse overall results that are inconsistent between each user. There are tools to "fix" this but right now it's a big f***ing mess, because realistically people shouldn't need to use tools.
I think it's very risky to call a potentially washed out image on a monitor "more accurate", simply because when I look out my windows what I see is NOT washed out. The SDR image in those cases look much closer to "reality". From my experience crappy HDR monitors are a blight on the planet. A while back I bought a 32GP850 and the image looked really washed out. Why? Because while the max brightness was very high, the contrast was bad, so it ended up with an washed out image. If you want HDR that looks amazing, go OLED. When I tried an LG CX, I was like "now this is looking amazing." For me personally deep blacks are more important to HDR than max brightness. (Both is best, but one is more important than the other.)
I think nvidia has an rtx hdr thing for games that don't support hdr but it uses system resources a bit, and some games just have hdr support builtin and will automatically change your display's settings into hdr mode, and change off of it when the game closes so normal desktop colors arent ruined
@@ssgtblackmamba7991 Unfortunately HDR on Linux sucks still. Color calibration is still being worked on and there's no universal solution like RTX HDR/Windows 11 auto HDR yet. There's no RTX video HDR also so no HDR for video content in browsers. There's HDR on plasma desktop but the colors are way off and it doesn't work for games/programs. Pray three times a day in the direction of Valve's headquarters that they can get something working on kde plasma desktop since that's on the steam deck.
Which is what I recommend. A good hdr tv or monitor will do better on console thus consoles has better hdr compared to windows. Most people that’s complaining is running hdr on windows and windows has terrible hdr. Dull and washed out Btw s90c isn’t the best when it comes to black levels compared to let’s say an lg c3 or c4 so that’s something to keep in mind. Deeper blacks on the lg
Honestly i used hdr on my lg 27gp850 (i know, fake hdr 400 monitor) and while on windows it obviously looked washed out because of wrong gamma curve, in games it was more vivid and punchy (+100 nits of brightness compared to sdr). Only contrast was ass being an ips. Then i switched to an oled (aw3423dwf) and obviously hdr and overall picture quality is miles better. Yet, hdr still looked good and vivid on the lg (if you ignore absent blacks)
Can someone help me ? how much percentage SDR should I put on it, my screen has 320 nits, and I want the best possible quality, but I don't quite understand how it all works
I have an appletv 4k and use an HDR monitor, but HDR still looks terrible. It’s not just flat and washed out, but on most movies or shows everything appears to have an oil slick appearance to it. It’s as if I’m seeing all individual pixels, in all their varying tones. When I switched to “match content” to fix this issue with movies and videos shot in SDR (meaning I get a black screen when I load into content in SDR as it switches dynamic range), it seems that the majority is still just made in SDR anyhow. So what is the answer for the muted, oil slick appearance of HDR?
You forget that in many cases its just bad HDR implementation by the game developers, either you don't have proper calibration menus or those don't do what they show or the game doesn't support system level calibration. Then there's games like Cyberpunk 2077 where you get elevated black levels in HDR, kinda defeating the whole point when you want contrast, in that game RTX HDR does a better job than the ingame HDR.
next time get Samsung or LG :) and once u turn on HDR u need to recalibrate brightness. If u use nvidia there are also settings for colors and color depth and range (default in windows is set to "limited")
is there some movie scene clips that show what you miss in sdr that is new content in hdr, like an image in the clouds or something? I seen some super over bright tail lights on a car that looked out of place and actually brought me out of the movie cause the scene should not bring attention to red tail lights being crazy bright for nothing. Is there a movie that shows a character in the bright or dark that can't be seen in sdr?
The issue with HDR on some monitors is it locks you out of certain settings like contrast and brightness. So if you've adjusted them on the monitor in SDR mode. When you go to HDR mode it's fuckin gone. What i've done is I've set the brightness boosting thing to 0 in windows HD colour settings. That's mostly fixed my problems but to be fair, I like most of my screen not being bright as shit. Why did I buy HDR1000 monitor? Manufactured FOMO. Anyway HDR looks a lot brighter than SDR, which makes sense because thats the entire point of HDR. I've turned HDR on and off and adjusted the HD colour setting till it looked close to what its supposed to in SDR mode. And i'm happy. I don't know objectively what the colours supposed to look like, senses are subjective and if I can't tell who tf cares. What I want to know though is if HDR monitors improve the visual experience even in SDR mode. A HDR capable backlight should made SDR look good still shouldnt it?
Win 10 was so bad for HDR however win 11 using the calibrate tool, setting rtx HDR on in nvidia CP, using the nvidia app for the slider settings and last but not least using calibrize I was able to make HDR look so dam good, my biggest issue was your number 3 I was just not use to the colors being more correct so at first I didn't like it however I did notice way more variations in color so realized the issue and now I love it. Instead of everything just being a vibrant color it has all shades and the difference in games/videos is amazing, once again you must readjust to not every color being a beautiful vibrant color which at first can make it seem well less colorful so at first you see all these colors you dnt like as they aren't the vibrant colors your use to it truly is weird but so much better. Easy fix when your not sure is just to watch a HDR video and you will see all the vibrant colors again :) that way you are like arh ok it's just the games color pallet.
Questions: Why aren't there any comparisons of SDR and HDR anywhere? Why did TV manufacturers fake the initial comparisons by turning down the brightness to nearly 0 for SDR TVs? If HDR was better, why fake it? I've asked everyone on the planet to make a HDR vs SDR comparison and they avoid it like the plague. Why can't all the reviewers do a comparison and show us how HDR is better or worse? Why do manufacturers not allow us to toggle SDR and HDR easily like we stitch scenes from Standard to Cinema? I'm one of the few people that has had an A/B version of SDR and HDR with an OLED laptop that hits nearly 1000 nits full window. I've done more testing than just about anyone here and I'm not convinced about HDR. I feel it's a mode with metadata. It's not bad, it's not great always, and it's not better than SDR on a real SDR display. It's just different and it can have massive issues. Imagine watching the movie Coco in calibrated mode. It's going to look horrible. Same with HDR - it can be worse in a lot of content and it is. In some scenes, it can occasionally be better but overall I personally prefer a medium between SDR and HDR, maybe 75% SDR and 25% HDR. Just highlight SDR a bit more - push it to HDR in some areas but keep that vibrant image of SDR the way it is - it's gorgeous.
My monitor has HDR but doesn't have local dimming zones I still find it better than SDR but I fully understand much better HDR monitors exist. And above that is oled
I don't think anyone is talking about it but the 'color temperature control' setting in AMD's gpu software is on by default and completely ruins colors from what i can tell (even with custom color disabled, need to toggle custom color enabled then disable color temperature control). Turning this off appears to fix washed out hdr and looks way more realistic, and the opposite seems true for sdr which is seemingly oversaturated when windows is in sdr mode (unless this is disabled). Someone here know about this? Has anyone tested this setting?
Yeah I notice that too. I just left custom on default and set contrast to 110 and saturation to 120 and color temperature disable. It looks good to me at leash not looking washed
I've been having problems with a lot of movies/series that are "HDR" but just look like dog ... I have a Samsung S95B, no matter what I use to play the content, be it straight from the PC, through Plex, through Netflix, some movies/series look like garbage, while others look really good. I even checked what the HDR encoding and all that jazz is to make sure my TV can play them, still looked horrible.
When people use SDR, they don't put it on sRGB mode. So they got used to really bad, uncalibrated, oversaturated image. Blame manufacturers for this, they don't use sRGB by default because they want to sell more TVs and monitors on a retail showfloor by oversaturating their TVs compared to the competing TV next to it so that they can make a sale. The industry is now aware of this and is trying to reverse this with HDR. HDR have strict standards that displays must be calibrated for atleast Rec709 (basically sRGB) or DCI-P3 (only 25% more colours than sRGB) out of the box. So when someone goes from uncalibrated, non-sRGB SDR to HDR Rec709/DCI-P3, they think it looks washed out but that is what colours are suppose to look like. Human skin are not supposed to look like it's red and sunburnt all the time, but that is what people who leave their monitors on non-sRGB mode thinks that looks good for some reason.
Kind of sucks more games don't have HDR or OLED settings. They really need option to tone the UI way the f down. Turn HDR just because I don't want a games UI burned into my panel.
If a game has no way to dim or avoid static elements consider lowering the light. I know most people like bright panels but to avoid burn-in the secret is lower the light. 120 nits is enough to watch SDR content and get all the goodness, if you are not in front of a window during daylight that is. OLED burn-in is caused by the energy heating up and degrading the material, less light, less energy, less heat. at 120 nits the ABL won't even trigger on full white screen and your panel will last a lot longer. HDR is another story but to be honest I've seen just four games doing HDR right and faking it by tone mapping, anyway HDR is unhealthy for long gaming sessions
"Windows handles wide color gamut and SDR very poorly" that's not an opinion. That's a fact. Even Linux (KDE Plasma) handles the wide color gamut display better, and it's opensource 🤷♂🤷♂
can you share settings?i have the same monitor. in sdr with srgb as everyone(including this video) suggest,my reds look like orange a lot. same thing happens in HDR. I deleted ICC, calibrated hdr
A lot of the time it’s people with 1080p HDR 400 LCD monitors wondering why it looks trash. Other times it’s poorly implemented HDR. IMO it’s both the fault of the manufacturer, the HDR certification process, and the consumer not researching how to use or get the most out of the feature. Use HDR10 on a 4K OLED with properly implemented HDR, and then decide if HDR is bad.
Just stop using SDR content on HDR mode that conversion is what causes that washed out effect. Turn on HDR only for content in HDR and even then if the game or movie is faking HDR by tone mapping then it will look lifeless
@@saidchammas it's not that hard, HDR content in general is marked as HDR compatible, movies are labeled 4KUHD, streaming movies will be labeled as HDR compatible. Videogames are not labeled but you can look online lists of HDR compatible games. The hard part is identifying real "10 bit color produced content" from "fake HDR tone mapped content". Movies and games suffer from this. fake HDR has no dark depth, raised black levels are the first thing you'll notice. Real 10bit color HDR looks a bit darker than SDR, black is cero luminance, and highlights are very bright. It's hard to tell but I'll give you some examples, Forza Horizon 5, Ghostwire Tokyo, Dead Space Remake use real 10bit color, they look really nice on HDR. Meanwhile Red Dead Redemption 2 and the Capcom's RE engine games both use fake HDR, just tone mapping. Devil May Cry V, Resident Evil 2, 3 and 4 remakes use fake HDR and it shows, these games look way better on SDR. With some practice you'll notice right away and to be honest, you don't need HDR
Yeah personally for me I just prefer vivid colors to accurate colors. To me HDR when I turn it on completely saps out the color in a lot of games while in others they look so close I couldn't tell the difference. Plus I've noticed in HDR that some things are just less accurate like the distinct Final Fantasy blue in FF7 Remake changes to a shade of grey so creative intent isn't always accurate anyways. Other thing is that I've noticed that turning on HDR to make the bright spots brighter makes the general image dimmer. It's just a simple result of them wanting to make the image more dynamic but as a result makes the entire image look dull. Doesn't help that dimming a display also further reduces color.
When people use SDR, they don't put it on sRGB mode, which is the creator intent of game developers and filmmakers. So they got used to really bad, uncalibrated, oversaturated image without sRGB mode. Blame manufacturers for this, they don't use sRGB by default because they want to sell more TVs and monitors on a retail showfloor by oversaturating their TVs compared to the competing TV next to it so that they can make a sale. The industry is now aware of this and is trying to reverse this with HDR. HDR have strict standards that displays must be calibrated for atleast Rec709 (basically sRGB) or DCI-P3 (only 25% more colours than sRGB) out of the box. So when someone goes from uncalibrated, non-sRGB SDR to HDR Rec709/DCI-P3, they think it looks washed out but that is what colours are suppose to look like. Human skin are not supposed to look like it's red and sunburnt all the time, but that is what people who leave their monitors on non-sRGB mode thinks that looks good for some reason.
@@paul2609 well clearly if people were buying those TVs it's what people wanted. Most people are not enthusiasts enough to care for "creative intent" much like nobody buys studio monitors to listen to music. What's accurate and what people want aren't the same thing and what one person wants, another may not. Like how some people like a cold image and others like a warm one. Like I said, I personally do prefer the high contrast vivid colors. I think sRGB is incredibly bland. I honestly question how that's "accurate" when looking out a window is far more vivid. Like I get if you live in the cities where it foggy, but the outdoors are more colorful than sRGB images show. Think it says a lot with HDR demonstrations always being extremely vivid yet the content we actually get rarely is. HDR allows for higher contrast and wider colors, but that doesn't mean they'll use it. And like I said, in many cases HDR achieves the higher bright spots by lowering the general brightness of the screen. The end result isn't actually higher contrast, just the venire of such as the bright spots are inherently brighter in comparison.
@@terrynewell8761 I'm not on Windows 11, still on Windows 10. Haven't really had a reason to upgrade. I had a Windows 11 laptop for a bit but sold it. Really not a fan of the new right click menu and as someone who rarely uses hot keys, that bothered me strongly.
I'm kind of like this to an extent. You're not alone, either as a TON of people prefer the image to pop off the screen. Most people don't like perfectly accurate colors. I prefer more rich, saturated colors over the more correct, but dimmer ones, but not by a lot. Because I don't like to lose color details and I DO like the extra shadow detail you get in HDR. So I tend to go for HDR, but then just slightly tweak colors to be a tad more vibrant so you still get a nice pop in most scenes, but without losing detail as well.
I have an appletv 4k and use an HDR monitor, but HDR still looks terrible. It’s not just flat and washed out, but on most movies or shows everything appears to have an oil slick appearance to it. It’s as if I’m seeing all individual pixels, in all their varying tones. When I switched to “match content” to fix this issue with movies and videos shot in SDR (meaning I get a black screen when I load into content in SDR as it switches dynamic range), it seems that the majority is still just made in SDR anyhow. So what is the answer for the muted, oil slick appearance of HDR?
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Not even a side by side comparison? damn
Because he can't prove it, that's why
that wouldnt really work here on youtube doesnt make sense you gotta have the same panel either monitor or tv twice turn on hdr and off
How are you going to do a side by side comparison on a video encoded in SDR on a SDR display? You can't see HDR on SDR.
@@paul2609 Either by filming the screen with a camera using the same settings or having the SDR version be brightness matched in the HDR video container
GamingTech has done pretty good SDR vs HDR comparisons with Dead Space for example
Most important: Use Windows HDR Calibration tool. I beleive Windows default to a HDR1000 monitor. (Or it did on my setup, anyway.) After I used the Windows HDR Calibration Tool,, it show that I had a HDR600 monitor. Things looked a lot better. It only make sense. If the system is adjust SDR colors for a HDR1000 monitor, when in reality it is only a HDR600, it not going to look the best. (With HDR enable, you can check monitor setting at system > Display > Advance Display.)
This is a W11 exclusive tool, HDR sucks on W10 period.
Also another feature too, is that if you have a monitor that gets absurdly bright (displayHDR1400) but you want to be able to use it at night time, you can set up a calibration profile as if it were an HDR600 or HDR400 monitor and have it run at lower brightnesses, but still have proper HDR color and brightness control. You can easily change all these profiles in either windows color management or through display settings.
@@pedrohenriquemorais4979who even use windows 10? Me. Damn my pc can’t be upgraded
When people use SDR, they don't put it on sRGB mode. So they got used to really bad, uncalibrated, oversaturated image. Blame manufacturers for this, they don't use sRGB by default because they want to sell more TVs and monitors on a retail showfloor by oversaturating their TVs compared to the competing TV next to it so that they can make a sale.
The industry is now aware of this and is trying to reverse this with HDR. HDR have strict standards that displays must be calibrated for atleast Rec709 (basically sRGB) or DCI-P3 (only 25% more colours than sRGB) out of the box. So when someone goes from uncalibrated, non-sRGB SDR to HDR Rec709/DCI-P3, they think it looks washed out but that is what colours are suppose to look like. Human skin are not supposed to look like it's red and sunburnt all the time, but that is what people who leave their monitors on non-sRGB mode thinks that looks good for some reason.
Yeah ! Peoples want to look their TV and Monitors as they were under illicit products. It's way funnier than looking at the true nuances of our objective world. They don't really want to look at reality with their displays.
Yeah ! Peoples want to look their TV and Monitors as they were under a word that bots don't let me to say. It's way funnier than looking at the true nuances of our objective world. They don't really want to look at reality with their displays.
Look at some grass through your phone's viewfinder. It is clearly less saturated. SDR is supposed to compress colors by reducing saturation. Old TVs used to have presets which restore the color but those are gone now.
Slightly oversaturated colors look better, not worse, to most people
People like vibrant colors, whether it's technically less accurate or not
Each time I enable sRGB, I disable it back instantly
I’m currently using my PC with an S90D while playing Cyberpunk, and I've noticed that everything looks significantly better with HDR turned off and sRGB calibrated. I even have a Spyder Pro, and I find it much easier to calibrate without HDR. The lack of a consistent standard for HDR in games and movies-like HDR+, HLG, and Dolby Vision-means that each show and game often requires custom calibration, making the whole process confusing and less effective.
Without telling you my life story I agree with this 100% I bought a really crappy HDR monitor and thought HDR sucked. Then I bought a really good yet crappy HDR monitor (LG 32GQ950-B) and messed with the saturation and contrast levels of the Nvidia control panel and it made it really good for me!!! Like it changed my views on HDR! Just the blacks weren't good. then got a QD OLED monitor and I'm super happy
I just got the 34 inch thru monthly payments I just wanna taste of hdr I'm coming from 1080 how do you enjoy your monitor?
@@frankbuell1307 by the time u pay off the monitor the oled will have already burnt it, so ure basically renting the monitor
@@kerkertrandov459 it seems you made bad experiences with oleds because you dont know how to treat them
I think most people refers to the SDR on HDR washed out look, and that is unavoidable... Only solution use SDR content on SDR and only turn on HDR to watch HDR content, that's what I do.
"SDR" has a size on the color and luminance spectrum, the HDR size is just bigger, to put it in simple terms. When you try to fill the HDR with SDR you have to get things out of place and stretch them in order to fill the bigger space. When you map SDR black point cero luminance to the HDR space, what was cero now is positioned at the coordinate 0.1 luminance (just an example) this causes black to look a very dark grayish but not black, consequently all the other tones will be displayed a bit higher than they should to fill the space (we end up with raised gamma), and what happens when you display a tone on a higher luminance level, yes it looks washed out. This is the correct direct translation of SDR to HDR there's no way to do it better without heavily altering the image. You could do something different introducing digital processing to remap every tone to a new position altering heavily the intention of the original SDR image, you'll end up with over saturated colors, an over brightened image and probably not a pleasant image at all, but you get black to be cero again and gamma may be closer to what's expected of SDR
The argument of having a good/proper HDR monitor is true to some extent most people don't have a good one. But I do have one so I can speak on this.
I have a Samsung Odyssey G7 28" 4K 144hz and can tell everyone first hand, that HDR does nothing but make colors way more saturated making everything way too bright causing massive eye strain and leads to headaches.
It's either too bright or too dark. There is no way to properly adjust the colors so they are correct as there is no actual standard.
A good way to explain this is simple
Comparing SDR vs HDR is the same as comparing color vs black and white.
Black and white is far more defined and has a 10 times sharper image than color.
I found out that on my HP laptop that HDR only works if you turn off HDR in the Windows display settings. Otherwise it breaks the color range (washed out) and blacks (artifacts like a blizzard in there).
If the video is HDR, it will automatically turn on actual working HDR, (you notice that the Windows GUI menu looks washed out and the brightness turns on all the way up when the HDR video is on screen). It might be a conflict issue of an automatic setting clashing with a manual one.
I've been on SDR since the beginning of time. I tried going HDR today, and I just followed the Windows 11 HDR Calibration tool, and a color profile was automatically created and applied. I was surprised it looked awesome and more colorful. Also not eye straining as much unlike with SDR.
Honestly, I've been an HDR junkie for years. I've had the entire LG C series, most of the Samsung QN90 series, and multiple HDR monitors. In recent weeks, I've gotten sick of constantly twittling and tweaking everything. I'm now running everything in sRGB on an Innocn 32" LCD and I can just relax and enjoy my content.
QD OLED monitor with RTX HDR on = problem solved enjoyed God tier HDR!
Nah, yeah it is 100% not the end user's fault that the industry at large makes this such an issue. People rightfully expect that plugging in and using HDR SHOULD be as easy as plugging it in and enabling it and then it looks great, maybe with some subtle tweaks at best. The issue right now is that there are too many standards and no one is agreeing on the one to stick to for now and so on some monitors/TVs it looks bad, hell then there's Window's dog**** implementation of it, which works in some instances but doesn't in others. And finally there are games not using it properly (possibly b/c the APIs are convoluted nonsense, who knows). On controlled platforms like consoles, HDR tends too look fine, better even in all cases. But the industry really needs to codify a 10 year standard and then every 10 years upgrade to the newer better one (once all existing tech is ready for it). There needs to be an actual plan here, instead of everyone adhering to whatever the hell they want, leading to all kinds of crappy incompatibility issues and worse overall results that are inconsistent between each user. There are tools to "fix" this but right now it's a big f***ing mess, because realistically people shouldn't need to use tools.
I think it's very risky to call a potentially washed out image on a monitor "more accurate", simply because when I look out my windows what I see is NOT washed out. The SDR image in those cases look much closer to "reality".
From my experience crappy HDR monitors are a blight on the planet.
A while back I bought a 32GP850 and the image looked really washed out. Why? Because while the max brightness was very high, the contrast was bad, so it ended up with an washed out image.
If you want HDR that looks amazing, go OLED. When I tried an LG CX, I was like "now this is looking amazing."
For me personally deep blacks are more important to HDR than max brightness. (Both is best, but one is more important than the other.)
I dont have any issues and leave my pc in HDR always. The only complaint I have is it makes desktop a lot dimmer
Everyone keeps complaining about how Windows handles hdr. Can anyone speak on alternatives? Like what's it like on KDE plasma desktop (linux)?
I think nvidia has an rtx hdr thing for games that don't support hdr but it uses system resources a bit, and some games just have hdr support builtin and will automatically change your display's settings into hdr mode, and change off of it when the game closes so normal desktop colors arent ruined
Nvidia RTX HDR, converts all SDR content (games or web videos) on WIndows to look like proper HDR.
RTX hdr is cool and all guys, but my question was specifically about linux. The Nvidia solution for windows isn't of interest for me 🙃
mac OS but too bad its not good for gaming
@@ssgtblackmamba7991 Unfortunately HDR on Linux sucks still. Color calibration is still being worked on and there's no universal solution like RTX HDR/Windows 11 auto HDR yet. There's no RTX video HDR also so no HDR for video content in browsers. There's HDR on plasma desktop but the colors are way off and it doesn't work for games/programs.
Pray three times a day in the direction of Valve's headquarters that they can get something working on kde plasma desktop since that's on the steam deck.
Hdr is better if done right but sadly a lot of games have black level raise and yes my s90c has good hdr + i play hdr games on ps5
Which is what I recommend. A good hdr tv or monitor will do better on console thus consoles has better hdr compared to windows. Most people that’s complaining is running hdr on windows and windows has terrible hdr. Dull and washed out
Btw s90c isn’t the best when it comes to black levels compared to let’s say an lg c3 or c4 so that’s something to keep in mind. Deeper blacks on the lg
Honestly i used hdr on my lg 27gp850 (i know, fake hdr 400 monitor) and while on windows it obviously looked washed out because of wrong gamma curve, in games it was more vivid and punchy (+100 nits of brightness compared to sdr). Only contrast was ass being an ips. Then i switched to an oled (aw3423dwf) and obviously hdr and overall picture quality is miles better. Yet, hdr still looked good and vivid on the lg (if you ignore absent blacks)
Can someone help me ? how much percentage SDR should I put on it, my screen has 320 nits, and I want the best possible quality, but I don't quite understand how it all works
I have an appletv 4k and use an HDR monitor, but HDR still looks terrible. It’s not just flat and washed out, but on most movies or shows everything appears to have an oil slick appearance to it. It’s as if I’m seeing all individual pixels, in all their varying tones. When I switched to “match content” to fix this issue with movies and videos shot in SDR (meaning I get a black screen when I load into content in SDR as it switches dynamic range), it seems that the majority is still just made in SDR anyhow.
So what is the answer for the muted, oil slick appearance of HDR?
You forget that in many cases its just bad HDR implementation by the game developers, either you don't have proper calibration menus or those don't do what they show or the game doesn't support system level calibration. Then there's games like Cyberpunk 2077 where you get elevated black levels in HDR, kinda defeating the whole point when you want contrast, in that game RTX HDR does a better job than the ingame HDR.
I have a tcl led 4K tv when I turn on hdr the whole screen goes super dark
next time get Samsung or LG :) and once u turn on HDR u need to recalibrate brightness.
If u use nvidia there are also settings for colors and color depth and range (default in windows is set to "limited")
Check settings for brightness
@ I did, washed out when I turn it up
is there some movie scene clips that show what you miss in sdr that is new content in hdr, like an image in the clouds or something? I seen some super over bright tail lights on a car that looked out of place and actually brought me out of the movie cause the scene should not bring attention to red tail lights being crazy bright for nothing. Is there a movie that shows a character in the bright or dark that can't be seen in sdr?
The issue with HDR on some monitors is it locks you out of certain settings like contrast and brightness. So if you've adjusted them on the monitor in SDR mode. When you go to HDR mode it's fuckin gone.
What i've done is I've set the brightness boosting thing to 0 in windows HD colour settings. That's mostly fixed my problems but to be fair, I like most of my screen not being bright as shit. Why did I buy HDR1000 monitor? Manufactured FOMO. Anyway HDR looks a lot brighter than SDR, which makes sense because thats the entire point of HDR.
I've turned HDR on and off and adjusted the HD colour setting till it looked close to what its supposed to in SDR mode. And i'm happy. I don't know objectively what the colours supposed to look like, senses are subjective and if I can't tell who tf cares. What I want to know though is if HDR monitors improve the visual experience even in SDR mode. A HDR capable backlight should made SDR look good still shouldnt it?
Win 10 was so bad for HDR however win 11 using the calibrate tool, setting rtx HDR on in nvidia CP, using the nvidia app for the slider settings and last but not least using calibrize I was able to make HDR look so dam good, my biggest issue was your number 3 I was just not use to the colors being more correct so at first I didn't like it however I did notice way more variations in color so realized the issue and now I love it.
Instead of everything just being a vibrant color it has all shades and the difference in games/videos is amazing, once again you must readjust to not every color being a beautiful vibrant color which at first can make it seem well less colorful so at first you see all these colors you dnt like as they aren't the vibrant colors your use to it truly is weird but so much better.
Easy fix when your not sure is just to watch a HDR video and you will see all the vibrant colors again :) that way you are like arh ok it's just the games color pallet.
You need Windows 11 to be able to get the calibration tool. When done correctly, you get awesome results.
Questions:
Why aren't there any comparisons of SDR and HDR anywhere?
Why did TV manufacturers fake the initial comparisons by turning down the brightness to nearly 0 for SDR TVs? If HDR was better, why fake it?
I've asked everyone on the planet to make a HDR vs SDR comparison and they avoid it like the plague. Why can't all the reviewers do a comparison and show us how HDR is better or worse?
Why do manufacturers not allow us to toggle SDR and HDR easily like we stitch scenes from Standard to Cinema?
I'm one of the few people that has had an A/B version of SDR and HDR with an OLED laptop that hits nearly 1000 nits full window. I've done more testing than just about anyone here and I'm not convinced about HDR. I feel it's a mode with metadata. It's not bad, it's not great always, and it's not better than SDR on a real SDR display.
It's just different and it can have massive issues. Imagine watching the movie Coco in calibrated mode. It's going to look horrible. Same with HDR - it can be worse in a lot of content and it is. In some scenes, it can occasionally be better but overall I personally prefer a medium between SDR and HDR, maybe 75% SDR and 25% HDR. Just highlight SDR a bit more - push it to HDR in some areas but keep that vibrant image of SDR the way it is - it's gorgeous.
I hate HDR it looks awful. They should release movies on Blu Ray 4K but without HDR
I also want to yell at Discord for not being able to screen share HDR and or at least tone map it back to SDR so it's not blown tf out or washed out.
My monitor has HDR but doesn't have local dimming zones I still find it better than SDR but I fully understand much better HDR monitors exist. And above that is oled
I don't think anyone is talking about it but the 'color temperature control' setting in AMD's gpu software is on by default and completely ruins colors from what i can tell (even with custom color disabled, need to toggle custom color enabled then disable color temperature control). Turning this off appears to fix washed out hdr and looks way more realistic, and the opposite seems true for sdr which is seemingly oversaturated when windows is in sdr mode (unless this is disabled). Someone here know about this? Has anyone tested this setting?
Yeah I notice that too. I just left custom on default and set contrast to 110 and saturation to 120 and color temperature disable. It looks good to me at leash not looking washed
I've been having problems with a lot of movies/series that are "HDR" but just look like dog ... I have a Samsung S95B, no matter what I use to play the content, be it straight from the PC, through Plex, through Netflix, some movies/series look like garbage, while others look really good. I even checked what the HDR encoding and all that jazz is to make sure my TV can play them, still looked horrible.
When people use SDR, they don't put it on sRGB mode. So they got used to really bad, uncalibrated, oversaturated image. Blame manufacturers for this, they don't use sRGB by default because they want to sell more TVs and monitors on a retail showfloor by oversaturating their TVs compared to the competing TV next to it so that they can make a sale.
The industry is now aware of this and is trying to reverse this with HDR. HDR have strict standards that displays must be calibrated for atleast Rec709 (basically sRGB) or DCI-P3 (only 25% more colours than sRGB) out of the box. So when someone goes from uncalibrated, non-sRGB SDR to HDR Rec709/DCI-P3, they think it looks washed out but that is what colours are suppose to look like. Human skin are not supposed to look like it's red and sunburnt all the time, but that is what people who leave their monitors on non-sRGB mode thinks that looks good for some reason.
And most importantly "Who's your daddy" was epic 🤣
I love HDR, especially when the game supports it in a standard way. But there are times when a game implements it ass backward. Looking at you RDR2
Thanks for pointing out reality.
You need to record in HDR.
HDR is trash because i cant get the brightness up very high. the monitor looks dim even after calibrating it and using max hdr brightness content.
Kind of sucks more games don't have HDR or OLED settings. They really need option to tone the UI way the f down. Turn HDR just because I don't want a games UI burned into my panel.
thats bs right there 😂😂
If a game has no way to dim or avoid static elements consider lowering the light. I know most people like bright panels but to avoid burn-in the secret is lower the light. 120 nits is enough to watch SDR content and get all the goodness, if you are not in front of a window during daylight that is. OLED burn-in is caused by the energy heating up and degrading the material, less light, less energy, less heat. at 120 nits the ABL won't even trigger on full white screen and your panel will last a lot longer. HDR is another story but to be honest I've seen just four games doing HDR right and faking it by tone mapping, anyway HDR is unhealthy for long gaming sessions
HDR is worse if their display can't actually display HDR properly AKA low nits.
Well i watch a lot of animes and i might be used to over saturated colors
I went HDR for 2 years. Too much of a mess. Went SDR this time.
"Windows handles wide color gamut and SDR very poorly" that's not an opinion. That's a fact. Even Linux (KDE Plasma) handles the wide color gamut display better, and it's opensource 🤷♂🤷♂
Whats going on ? HDR looks much better than SDR on my Dell Alienware AW2334DWF OLED
can you share settings?i have the same monitor. in sdr with srgb as everyone(including this video) suggest,my reds look like orange a lot. same thing happens in HDR. I deleted ICC, calibrated hdr
hdr 400 is like no diff at all
Color may change a tiny bit however hdr1000 will make every thing pop
Personally I’ve never had an issue with HDR 🤷🏼♂️
Won't care, buying an lg C6 in 2026 48 inch for my gaming pc 🤩
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The first thing i turn off on a monitor is HDR😂 maybe better on oled?
Of course better on OLED, what do you mean maybe?
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Windows is crap man! Don' t use HDR on windows!
A lot of the time it’s people with 1080p HDR 400 LCD monitors wondering why it looks trash. Other times it’s poorly implemented HDR. IMO it’s both the fault of the manufacturer, the HDR certification process, and the consumer not researching how to use or get the most out of the feature. Use HDR10 on a 4K OLED with properly implemented HDR, and then decide if HDR is bad.
HDR keeps making my screen more dimmed/greyish and less saturated colors. I don't get it
What screen you got
@@kawasakistevo this was the case with my windows laptop, but it's the same with my KTC M27P20 Pro while connected to m3 macbook
Just stop using SDR content on HDR mode that conversion is what causes that washed out effect. Turn on HDR only for content in HDR and even then if the game or movie is faking HDR by tone mapping then it will look lifeless
@@cortbelmont how do i know if the content is HDR? Video games movies etc
@@saidchammas it's not that hard, HDR content in general is marked as HDR compatible, movies are labeled 4KUHD, streaming movies will be labeled as HDR compatible. Videogames are not labeled but you can look online lists of HDR compatible games.
The hard part is identifying real "10 bit color produced content" from "fake HDR tone mapped content". Movies and games suffer from this. fake HDR has no dark depth, raised black levels are the first thing you'll notice. Real 10bit color HDR looks a bit darker than SDR, black is cero luminance, and highlights are very bright. It's hard to tell but I'll give you some examples, Forza Horizon 5, Ghostwire Tokyo, Dead Space Remake use real 10bit color, they look really nice on HDR. Meanwhile Red Dead Redemption 2 and the Capcom's RE engine games both use fake HDR, just tone mapping. Devil May Cry V, Resident Evil 2, 3 and 4 remakes use fake HDR and it shows, these games look way better on SDR.
With some practice you'll notice right away and to be honest, you don't need HDR
Yeah personally for me I just prefer vivid colors to accurate colors. To me HDR when I turn it on completely saps out the color in a lot of games while in others they look so close I couldn't tell the difference. Plus I've noticed in HDR that some things are just less accurate like the distinct Final Fantasy blue in FF7 Remake changes to a shade of grey so creative intent isn't always accurate anyways.
Other thing is that I've noticed that turning on HDR to make the bright spots brighter makes the general image dimmer. It's just a simple result of them wanting to make the image more dynamic but as a result makes the entire image look dull. Doesn't help that dimming a display also further reduces color.
If you have not already, run the Windows 11 HDR calibration tool, and see if it helps. I comment already about it.
When people use SDR, they don't put it on sRGB mode, which is the creator intent of game developers and filmmakers. So they got used to really bad, uncalibrated, oversaturated image without sRGB mode. Blame manufacturers for this, they don't use sRGB by default because they want to sell more TVs and monitors on a retail showfloor by oversaturating their TVs compared to the competing TV next to it so that they can make a sale.
The industry is now aware of this and is trying to reverse this with HDR. HDR have strict standards that displays must be calibrated for atleast Rec709 (basically sRGB) or DCI-P3 (only 25% more colours than sRGB) out of the box. So when someone goes from uncalibrated, non-sRGB SDR to HDR Rec709/DCI-P3, they think it looks washed out but that is what colours are suppose to look like. Human skin are not supposed to look like it's red and sunburnt all the time, but that is what people who leave their monitors on non-sRGB mode thinks that looks good for some reason.
@@paul2609 well clearly if people were buying those TVs it's what people wanted. Most people are not enthusiasts enough to care for "creative intent" much like nobody buys studio monitors to listen to music. What's accurate and what people want aren't the same thing and what one person wants, another may not. Like how some people like a cold image and others like a warm one.
Like I said, I personally do prefer the high contrast vivid colors. I think sRGB is incredibly bland. I honestly question how that's "accurate" when looking out a window is far more vivid. Like I get if you live in the cities where it foggy, but the outdoors are more colorful than sRGB images show. Think it says a lot with HDR demonstrations always being extremely vivid yet the content we actually get rarely is. HDR allows for higher contrast and wider colors, but that doesn't mean they'll use it.
And like I said, in many cases HDR achieves the higher bright spots by lowering the general brightness of the screen. The end result isn't actually higher contrast, just the venire of such as the bright spots are inherently brighter in comparison.
@@terrynewell8761 I'm not on Windows 11, still on Windows 10. Haven't really had a reason to upgrade. I had a Windows 11 laptop for a bit but sold it. Really not a fan of the new right click menu and as someone who rarely uses hot keys, that bothered me strongly.
I'm kind of like this to an extent. You're not alone, either as a TON of people prefer the image to pop off the screen. Most people don't like perfectly accurate colors. I prefer more rich, saturated colors over the more correct, but dimmer ones, but not by a lot. Because I don't like to lose color details and I DO like the extra shadow detail you get in HDR. So I tend to go for HDR, but then just slightly tweak colors to be a tad more vibrant so you still get a nice pop in most scenes, but without losing detail as well.
HDR haloing effect on ips glower .. Va QD panel no problem OLED 0 issue.
Lots of bs going around. Almost makes me feel that someone is trying to stoke things for benefit.
I wonder what it's like in that conspiracy theory nutcase mind...
WHR IS MY MSI MAG 321UP REVIEW?!?!?!
Obnoxious
I have an appletv 4k and use an HDR monitor, but HDR still looks terrible. It’s not just flat and washed out, but on most movies or shows everything appears to have an oil slick appearance to it. It’s as if I’m seeing all individual pixels, in all their varying tones. When I switched to “match content” to fix this issue with movies and videos shot in SDR (meaning I get a black screen when I load into content in SDR as it switches dynamic range), it seems that the majority is still just made in SDR anyhow.
So what is the answer for the muted, oil slick appearance of HDR?