***** Black Caviar is 25 wins from 25 starts with 15 group 1 wins. She has never lost a race. She stands shoulder to shoulder with Frankel. and tbh i had never heard of Frankel till now
You are off you head Stef. Not in the top four sprinters i have seen in Australia. An average good sprinter placed to win races not to be a champion. How old are you Stef. Wouldn't rate next to Frankel or Vain the best sprinter miler ever seen in Australia post war.
These are the words, verbatim, of Black Caviar trainer Peter Moody taken from the book written about her shortly after her retirement. QUOTE: "I've been around horses all of my life and I've never known one better than Black Caviar." "I find judging her place in racing history hard because I'm so close to her." "That's why I've always deferred to other people's opinions." "What I do know is this, Black Caviar is the finest horse I've ever seen or worked with.........until I saw Frankel win on that Tuesday at Royal-Ascot." END QUOTE. I'll bottom line it, even Peter Moody knew that if Black Caviar had ever stepped on the same racetrack with Frankel (AT ANY DISTANCE) that his mare would've been little more than just a good tow into the race for him. Period, end of statement!!
The 2 never met. Frankel has a more active action. Catches the onlookers eye. That's all Moody was suffering. Whereas Black Caviar has a more economical, quieter looking action.
Frankel deffiently the best he doesn't have to put any effort in a race as he knows he can win I wish I could of gone to see this racing legand live he is the best racehorse England's ever had !!!x😘 💜u Frankel!!xxx
There is no comparison! Frankel beat Excelebration by an aggregate distance of 5 1/4 lengths(26.25 lengths in total in five races). Excelebration beat Moonlight Cloud by 1 1/2 lengths and that same mare was beaten a head at Ascot by Black Caviar,who in fairness won a tad cosily so obviously there was not much between Excelebration and Black Caviar if you value this form line.Its hard not too because both were very consistent. However, Frankel was something quite different as official world ratings for 2012 show. Furthermore, the poor record of Australian horses abroad and their record in the Melbourne Cup suggests that comparison with European horses is greatly flawed.
+postcardterry The Moonlight Cloud doesn't stand at all ! Black Caviar ran 15 points below her best mark, which her worst career performance . She would have trounced that field a street had she been injury free. The significance of her performance comes to the fore when we consider that she traveled half way around the world to race on a totally unfamiliar and testing track and still made it over literally 3 legs ! So ur attempt to undermine Black Caviar's performance is just a complete failure !
100% spot on Cedric. Terry continue's to compare the Royal Ascot performance of Black Caviar with Frankel's performances. Truth is, as you pointed out, BC's performance at Ascot was rated by Terry's very own ratings agency Timeform as her 3rd WORST performance of her career. Now Terry says it's because she met superior horses but if that were the case then this performance would have been rated much higher than it actually was. The facts are Soul got within 1.35l of the mighty mare at Ascot yet in Australia Soul was beaten 4l by Star Witness at level weights in the Coolmore Stks then Star Witness was beaten 5l at his very next start by Black Caviar who was eased down & Star Witness had an 11lb weight advantage. SW was also beaten 8l on another occasion by BC so we know he was somewhere in the vicinity of 6 - 7l inferior to Black Caviar. That makes Soul a conservative 10l inferior yet he only finished 1.35l behind her at Ascot. So either Soul grew a 5th leg or Black Caviar raced some 8l - 10l below her best due to the injuries she sustained in the run. Which is the more likely scenario ? You, me, the vast majority of racing journo's, her trainer, jockey, vets and the various ratings agencies incl. Timeform are on one side and little old Terry is on his lonesome on the other side of the argument.
Ratings rating ratings ! That is why the bookies are so skint (not)! You should follow me and give a winner before the race or are you like Gardiner ?? If in doubt, use a rating ! Australia will be judged again this year by the quality of its performances at Royal Ascot !
Ratings in Oz mate ! If Oz was so good, why does it struggle to hold onto its biggest race ! If Black Caviar`s performance impressed you, watch Lady Aurelia`s sprint victory at Royal Ascot yesterday ! Then tell everybody who impressed you most prat ! I like Timeform but certainly not for their ratings !
The best horse I have ever seen besides secretariat was a south African horse called horse chestnut.. unfortunately he got injured as a 4 year old.. But he would of run rings around black caviar and frankel.. TH-cam search "Horse chestnut a champion emerges parts 1-5
Frankel is very good horse no doubt about it. but no horse can touch the the GREAT ZINYZTTA,,her present her stemina and her strech long stride.she made every race majic.
Yes and at the time you wrote this winx her sister started to dominate in Australia,something in the bloodlines there and yes youre correct both better than paper tiger frankel
What happened to Black Caviar at Ascot, also happened to Animal Kingdom. Both only ever ran on easy flat tracks. Simply they couldn't handle the uphill mile with its undulations. End of! :-)
Re her Ascot win. Jockey Nolen allowed her to ease down at finish line. As he'd noticed she wasn't her lively self. So duly knew her past muscle managed issues be realised at that point for the safety of the horse. 36+ hrs. flight standing, would have taken effect.
Absolute rubbish and i am Australian . Frankel and Vain would finish panels in front of Black Caviar an overrated powderpuff with an average winning margin of only three and a half lengths. Didn't race over 1400 until five and then only once. Placed to win races not be a champion.
Ratings in Oz mate ! If Oz was so good, why does it struggle to hold onto its biggest race ! If Black Caviar`s performance impressed you, watch Lady Aurelia`s sprint victory at Royal Ascot yesterday ! Then tell everybody who impressed you most prat ! I like Timeform but certainly not for their ratings
@@LachFox Frankel lost a shoe too and still won a Group One in Europe by a wide margin. The racegoer who jumped over the rail to retrieve it for his collection was not ejected from the track. Most people would have done the same because it was Frankel`s !! Google "Frankel shoe auction". Losing a shoe is not the problem you suggest - particularly when you are riding "perfection"
Frankel is defintely my favourite racehorse of all time
***** Black Caviar is 25 wins from 25 starts with 15 group 1 wins. She has never lost a race. She stands shoulder to shoulder with Frankel. and tbh i had never heard of Frankel till now
Peter Moody hadn't much either. Have a look at some of his quotes, he would swap Black Caviar for the greatest racehorse ever. Frankel.
dancing brave WOULD HAVE HAMMERED FRANKEL OVER 10 FURLONGS
you talk absolute shite..no horse could live with frankel from 7 to 10 furlongs...
Id Potter spot on mate everything would get smashed
You are off you head Stef. Not in the top four sprinters i have seen in Australia.
An average good sprinter placed to win races not to be a champion.
How old are you Stef. Wouldn't rate next to Frankel or Vain the best sprinter miler ever seen in Australia post war.
These are the words, verbatim, of Black Caviar trainer Peter Moody taken from the book written about her shortly after her retirement. QUOTE: "I've been around horses all of my life and I've never known one better than Black Caviar." "I find judging her place in racing history hard because I'm so close to her." "That's why I've always deferred to other people's opinions." "What I do know is this, Black Caviar is the finest horse I've ever seen or worked with.........until I saw Frankel win on that Tuesday at Royal-Ascot." END QUOTE. I'll bottom line it, even Peter Moody knew that if Black Caviar had ever stepped on the same racetrack with Frankel (AT ANY DISTANCE) that his mare would've been little more than just a good tow into the race for him. Period, end of statement!!
The 2 never met. Frankel has a more active action. Catches the onlookers eye. That's all Moody was suffering. Whereas Black Caviar has a more economical, quieter looking action.
Needed pacemakers farkall
Frankel deffiently the best he doesn't have to put any effort in a race as he knows he can win I wish I could of gone to see this racing legand live he is the best racehorse England's ever had !!!x😘 💜u Frankel!!xxx
No effort? Frankel races very choppy. With a lot of effort.
Paper tiger
Nah
There is no comparison! Frankel beat Excelebration by an aggregate distance of 5 1/4 lengths(26.25 lengths in total in five races). Excelebration beat Moonlight Cloud by 1 1/2 lengths and that same mare was beaten a head at Ascot by Black Caviar,who in fairness won a tad cosily so obviously there was not much between Excelebration and Black Caviar if you value this form line.Its hard not too because both were very consistent. However, Frankel was something quite different as official world ratings for 2012 show. Furthermore, the poor record of Australian horses abroad and their record in the Melbourne Cup suggests that comparison with European horses is greatly flawed.
+postcardterry The Moonlight Cloud doesn't stand at all ! Black Caviar ran 15 points below her best mark, which her worst career performance . She would have trounced that field a street had she been injury free. The significance of her performance comes to the fore when we consider that she traveled half way around the world to race on a totally unfamiliar and testing track and still made it over literally 3 legs ! So ur attempt to undermine Black Caviar's performance is just a complete failure !
+Cedric Dumont shoulda,woulda, coulda Cedric ! Frankel dida! Final point - "literally had three legs",really Cedric!
100% spot on Cedric. Terry continue's to compare the Royal Ascot performance of Black Caviar with Frankel's performances. Truth is, as you pointed out, BC's performance at Ascot was rated by Terry's very own ratings agency Timeform as her 3rd WORST performance of her career. Now Terry says it's because she met superior horses but if that were the case then this performance would have been rated much higher than it actually was. The facts are Soul got within 1.35l of the mighty mare at Ascot yet in Australia Soul was beaten 4l by Star Witness at level weights in the Coolmore Stks then Star Witness was beaten 5l at his very next start by Black Caviar who was eased down & Star Witness had an 11lb weight advantage. SW was also beaten 8l on another occasion by BC so we know he was somewhere in the vicinity of 6 - 7l inferior to Black Caviar. That makes Soul a conservative 10l inferior yet he only finished 1.35l behind her at Ascot. So either Soul grew a 5th leg or Black Caviar raced some 8l - 10l below her best due to the injuries she sustained in the run. Which is the more likely scenario ? You, me, the vast majority of racing journo's, her trainer, jockey, vets and the various ratings agencies incl. Timeform are on one side and little old Terry is on his lonesome on the other side of the argument.
Ratings rating ratings ! That is why the bookies are so skint (not)! You should follow me and give a winner before the race or are you like Gardiner ?? If in doubt, use a rating ! Australia will be judged again this year by the quality of its performances at Royal Ascot !
Ratings in Oz mate ! If Oz was so good, why does it struggle to hold onto its biggest race ! If Black Caviar`s performance impressed you, watch Lady Aurelia`s sprint victory at Royal Ascot yesterday ! Then tell everybody who impressed you most prat ! I like Timeform but certainly not for their ratings !
But she lost and he remains unbeaten and she is no way up to the class of the mighty frankel !!!
highest rated horse in the world
She didn’t lose are you dumb?
Didn’t lose dumb ass
The best horse I have ever seen besides secretariat was a south African horse called horse chestnut.. unfortunately he got injured as a 4 year old.. But he would of run rings around black caviar and frankel.. TH-cam search "Horse chestnut a champion emerges parts 1-5
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Caviar is the best
Rubbish!… nothing whatsoever compares to Frankel...unless you’re plain ignorant
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@@jamescarpenter6585 your so so right nothing compared to him.
Dream on on you on happy pills
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Frankel is very good horse no doubt about it. but no horse can touch the the GREAT ZINYZTTA,,her present her stemina and her strech long stride.she made every race majic.
Yes and at the time you wrote this winx her sister started to dominate in Australia,something in the bloodlines there and yes youre correct both better than paper tiger frankel
Frankel lmaooooo Nelly queen of racing
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What happened to Black Caviar at Ascot, also happened to Animal Kingdom. Both only ever ran on easy flat tracks. Simply they couldn't handle the uphill mile with its undulations. End of! :-)
Re her Ascot win. Jockey Nolen allowed her to ease down at finish line. As he'd noticed she wasn't her lively self. So duly knew her past muscle managed issues be realised at that point for the safety of the horse. 36+ hrs. flight standing, would have taken effect.
@BadlyPackedKebab . But she did have existing muscle manage issues beforehand.
What happened to Frankel when he went overseas ? Oops that right too scared to send him anywhere
@@keenice5271 Peter Moody still thinks Frankel is the best horse he's seen
@@protarget1 hahaha no he doesn’t he said best horse on the day at ascot get it right numb nuts that’s too funny 😂
Please delete drivel accompaniment when you speak ruins video almost impossible to hear commentary.
whats gonna happen to their national anthem when she dies and there's a king then?
God save the King: th-cam.com/video/WIu7HLTDLEI/w-d-xo.html
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i say frankel is only a little bit better than black caviar as he completed races with an easy flare
Absolute rubbish and i am Australian . Frankel and Vain would finish panels in front of Black Caviar an overrated powderpuff with an average winning margin of only three and a half lengths. Didn't race over 1400 until five and then only once. Placed to win races not be a champion.
Winx's finishes are unbelievable.
Ratings in Oz mate ! If Oz was so good, why does it struggle to hold onto its biggest race ! If Black Caviar`s performance impressed you, watch Lady Aurelia`s sprint victory at Royal Ascot yesterday ! Then tell everybody who impressed you most prat ! I like Timeform but certainly not for their ratings
You do realise she tore muscles during the race
@@LachFox Frankel lost a shoe too and still won a Group One in Europe by a wide margin. The racegoer who jumped over the rail to retrieve it for his collection was not ejected from the track. Most people would have done the same because it was Frankel`s !! Google "Frankel shoe auction". Losing a shoe is not the problem you suggest - particularly when you are riding "perfection"
postcardterry what does Frankel have to do with Black Caviar tearing muscles in her hind quarters and pulling up bruised
She was the most overrated horse i have seen race in Australia over the last fifty years. Please name another if you can.
What about how overrated Secretariat and Zenyatta are????
@@kadersjourneyIf you say that, you know Nothing about champion racehorses.
Still better than farkall,at least she went there but you didnt see farkall go to Australia,to scared