8 Smartest Decisions Made By Saw Characters
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Hoffman using the bars to prevent the reverse bear trap from snapping all the way will forever be the most respectable decision ever made in my eyes.
At that moment I wouldve just accepted death but man Hoffman was clever
A pen through the neck to breathe (Cube trap) is both smarter (i.e. creative, to understand human anatomy) and self-sacrificing though.
@@andrewzasidko6595 both are crazy, I personally think the fast thinking needed for Hoffman is more impressive
Most definitely
@@andrewzasidko6595 I give Hoffman the edge because he had to smash his hand to get free and figure out a way to survive in a scenario where there was a smaller chance of survival, at least the other guy had a pen and the knowledge of his anatomy but in Hoffmans case he had to do 2 things to survive something that no matter what he knew about the anatomy it wasn’t going to save him.
Hoffman surviving the reverse bear trap was probably the most epic moment of the series. Definitely the best cliffhanger.
Yeah, I’m surprised at the dude’s quick thinking. He got away with only half a Glasgow Smile.
I'm thinking that Hoffman will find a way to escape and come back in a later version of saw
It didn’t really make sense though. The reverse beartrap is (barely) prevented from fully going off, but that still doesn’t explain how he managed to get out of the device. It was fastened to his head, so why is it when the trap goes off he can suddenly slip out of it when he couldn’t before then?
@@VideoGuy232 possibly to get the trap off post-death
@scoot manke There is absolutely nothing in the design of the trap that would imply it must go off to release its victim. You just made that up. Jigsaws traps don’t automatically release themselves when the victim dies, there’s usually a key for that purpose. It would be a superfluous extra step in the construction of the device. So again I say, it doesn’t make sense.
Petty insults won’t win you your argument either bud
The reverse beartrap escape was so clutch by Hoffman
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When the original Saw movie came out, we bought it and watched it at home. As soon as you realize the situation the characters are in, my Dad immediately said "Those pipes are cast, they could hit them with the lid of the toilet to shatter them". He literally said that within the first few minutes of the movie and I was blown away. The realization of "a little knowledge goes a long way" literally changed my life.
Also there was no way for the electricity to travel though wires to the pipe and through the chains to shock them.
@@SirDistic Probably. I don't actually remember much of the movie. That was the only time I watched it, but the fact that my Dad instantly knew the perfect way to escape always stuck with me.
@@mrnobody6609 I mean that's moot since they had a key for their shackles. Amanda just sabotaged it so the key would go down the drain before Adam woke up. I wonder how that would have played out had they had that key.
@@tamstertx63 What makes you think that would have worked since it didn't work on the chains
@@ZombifiedBuizelchain and lock, different items, different materials.
Its really interesting to think that Hoffman's quick thing and will to survive was guided by John. He really was the perfect disciple so much that John coundn't predict how far he'd go.
In some ways John sorta did. Don't forget John had Dr. Gorden watch over Jill and told him if anything happen to her he was to respond as though he was worried someone would attack Jill. Whether or not he thought the threat would be Hoffman, that could be debatable since John had enemies in the police and FBI that obviously target Jill to get info, but he obviously thought ahead just to be safe
@@ashleighstratmann7783 oh absolutely that was a smart call but I never got the feeling that that was specific to Hoffman.
@@thekawaiislartibartfast42 As I said, it's debatable of who John was specifically worried about as John had other enemies. Even in reality it's not that uncommon for serial killers to have multiple enemies, whether its in the law enforcement and FBI or just those around them whether the people know they are a serial killer or just hate their secret killer lives without knowing who that person really is as in chances of cases of serial killers that blend in with society.
@@ashleighstratmann7783 yeah, I honestly never got the vibe that Hoffman was expected to survive the trap because that would put a target on Kills back which just seems off to me, you know?
@@thekawaiislartibartfast42 True
I still remember YEARS ago, before Saw 7 was ever even an idea, somebody pointed out that the hooded person in Saw 2 sticking the key behind the eyeball was limping the way Gordon would if he had a prosthetic. Ultimately he said it supports his theory that Gordon works with Jigsaw now.
Fast forward to Saw 3D about 5 years later, and the dude was basically a prophet. They actually show that it is Gordon in that exact scene.
There was a large following of this theory for years. The fan theories were the only reason dr. Gordon got to come back, per some interview with him during Saw 3D.
A profit.... oh my.
Interesting
Prophet*
@@roberttaylor3118 Thanks mate, bloody auto-correct.
Brit in Saw V was the smartest. Instead of teaming with the other girl who wanted to selfishly put the guy in the tub to save herself she stabs her in the neck and uses her instead as she wasn't trustworthy and the first in the group to realise they needed to work together and also worked together with the guy to fill the blood jars knowing 2 people could fill enough to escape. If I was in Saw I'd definitely want her on my team.
Actually all 5 were dumb in the movie like they could all have avoided dying but instead they were selfish
@@kyasonkaylor6807 I still think Brit was clever she didn't panic either but it's not easy when your team is mostly selfish or stupid.
Yeah she was so smart for that even tho it immediately caused her death in the very next room with only 2 people left lol.
@@TearMeOpenIBelieve She survived along with the guy.
@@SarahnatorX I could have sworn she died from blood loss after the movie and only the guy lived
Kramer testing Amanda in Saw 3 is by far the most cerebral move in the whole franchise.
nice word "cerebral" fuck you and your thesaurus.
@@1000kaine You think the average person needs a thesaurus to know the word cerebral? Wow.
@@1000kaine big word make me angry
@@1000kaine Calm down
@@1000kaine mans woke up and chose violence because he doesn’t know the word cerebral 😂
Mark Hoffman When He Has The Bear Trap On His Head Is Typing...
This guy came with three most intelligent decisions in this top ... why is it always the bad guys who are the smartest that's not fair 😥
@@maellesaliou5871 Because they're highly intelligent
@@maellesaliou5871 Because the villain is the only cool person in horror movies, that's why lol
I got the 420th comment😌
he should probably get it off his head before he types
I love how most of these puzzles solutions are so much more painful than the punishment itself
thing is its the life which is on the stake. which shows human can do or go through every aspect of pain in order to survive.
Some of them at least hurt for a shorter time. In addition to maybe giving you higher chance to survive. But I think that some of the saw traps I would have just completely noped out of if I was there and just die instead. I think I would be willing to stab my own throat to avoid drowning, but there is a completely valid chance (maybe even majority) anyone trying it would miss the right spot and die anyway
@@zakosist when that guy got shot in the head in the beginning of saw 2 I thought he got off easy. Pretty much every movie after that has several traps that make me go "no thanks, I'll take the instant death over whatever the next game is"
Hoffman putting the jaw trap in between the metal bars to get away alive was by far the smartest thing I’ve ever seen someone do.
Jaw dropping moment
I don’t think Emily telling her boss she has kids was a “smart move” as much as a desperate attempt to live in a situation where her life was being threatened. That’s one of the biggest pleas in horror movies people use is the whole “please don’t kill me I have kids” thing because that’s probably the biggest thing they need to live for. Like I don’t think that was meant to come off as her “playing the game” she just really wanted to live for her kids
It was smart because she thought about it before 5 other people could.
I agree: I don’t think it was intentionally a survival tactic” move. Emily seemed genuinely desperate to live for her kids.
An ACTUAL survival tactic move but that DIDNT work was when the other girl Gina tried to lie about being pregnant....it would have maybe worked had she not been called out for it 😂
honestly though, most people dont know what they would truly do in a situation like that. the only way to know would be to live it, and nobody wants that. that being said, without feeling the fear and adrenaline, i would sooner die than make someone else die for me to live. in a true situation like that though, i hope i never find out.
Her boss knew emilys kids
@@Matthew-mt2fc yeah you'd end up (well at least I would and I am assuming you too) really fucked up from it. But perhaps in the moment - hope we never find out, that you'd want so desperately to live that you wouldn't think about the repercussions of being a survivor over someone else. It's certainly interesting to think about.
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Those two guys were pretty smart that made the decision rather than them being sawed in two they sawed the woman that had been cheating on both with each other in two.
I was just about to say that. That was a BRILLIANT decision ☺️
Facts, ultimate pimp-not-simp move
Yup 🤷🏾♂️🎯🎯🤣🤣
Just looked that up since I've only seen the first 2 Saws. Public Execution Trap in Saw 7, 3D, whatever and you're right, that was smart. If they make a "dumb shit" list that lady trying to break the glass with that document holder needs to be on it. Not even a hard brief case. Hell the cops too, shoot the fucking glass.
Yeea, that was the better decision on their part. She would have probably ended up cheating on whoever lived...
Strahm was my favorite, the way he beat the water cube was probably the most badass way to do a trap.
He could’ve survived that without cutting a hole in his throat. He could’ve either made a small slit the rubber part at the bottom of the trap or cut entirely around it so he could free his head. Yes I am fun at parties
Right?? The throat is full of vessels and a wrong move could lead to fatal damage and ramming that pen in there without seeing and being in total panic makes this scene SO good
Sadly he got killed off after that
@Gurney but the nose was blocked? By the water or not
@@diona8437 I’m no biologist but I can give a crack at the physics:
because the nose and the windpipe are one in the same open space, water would flow right thru as the man breathed through the new hole in his neck. Remember, you’re not the thing stopping or making air go into you, it’s the pressure differential of your lungs and the atmosphere; or in this case, the air pressure stopping the water from going inside.
In any case, puncturing the windpipe would’ve been like poking a hole in cup holding some water. Just like how the water inside the cup would start flowing out, air from your lungs will also ‘flow out’.
Thinking this out loud now kinda makes me doubt the whole idea. Like, unless the man has some weird supernatural power over his epiglottis, he would’ve drowned anyway.
You've heard of elf on a shelf now get ready for Hoffman in a coffin
HAHA
Spat my coffee out for this
@@abrahamdogein86 how?
@Toxic Fertilizer yeah but how, it’s years old
@Toxic Fertilizer or the coffee..
The dr. Gordon reveal absolutely blew me away when I saw it in theaters! I wasn’t the only one either, when it happened, like half of the room erupted in cheers! I had just assumed he died, after all he was absent from two of the sequels. And it was one of the best ways to tie the films together
Ya, he was supposed to be dead, but the amount of fan theories saying he had to be a live brought him back from the dead. I'm glad they decided to write him into the series, although what happened to his wife and daughter?
@@AlphaNumericNZ0 His wife divorced him and his Daughter left him after they found out the terrible condition he was in after escaping the bathroom
@@wafton10yearsago30 so dude cut his own foot to save his daughter and wife and they just leave hi,
cool
There was a Q&A after something like the 3rd movie where they specifically said gordon was not involved in the series after that point
It was by far the most interesting part of that movie and the one scene that feels the most like the rest of the series for sure.
This movie gave me nightmares for years when I was a kid, I thought I’d wake up one day in saw
@@BETA_RuE I feel you😂😂
SAME
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I got locked in a bathroom once and panicked and thought I was in a trap 😭
after i watched saw i literally didn't lie for a whole month thinking that john kramer would abduct me for lying
Strahm shoving a pen into his throat to breathe through it is right up there with Hoffman surviving the reverse bear trap. Both ingenious moves.
The glass case trap wouldn't have mattered, Hoffman wouldn't let him live, so if he had in fact gone into the box he'd just have a backup way of killing him. Probably by being buried alive underneath those walls with no chance of escape. Hoffman has been shown to rig his games just as Amanda did, there is absolutely no reason to believe this wasn't rigged as well.
It wasn't rigged since Hoffman survived that, that's your proof right there, he was not outside to control if he gets out or not which means Strahm would get out as well if he was the one inside :D he wasn't rigging any of the games either, if the people followed the rules or just decided to save someone, they would be saved... it wasn't like with Amanda who made the escape impossible even when people followed the rules... he was following the teachings until the end where he eventually went astray (sure he was blackmailing Amanda before that etc so its not like he was good or anything xD but that has nothing to do with the games, until the very end he always made the escapes possible until Jill tried to kill him, and even after that he still made the game fair if only the people in were working together which is on them, not on him)... but yeah, there is no say he wouldn't try to kill Strahm afterwards but that doesn't mean he rigged the game itself.. but the point here was he outsmarted him by making him think its rigged in which he pushed Hoffman in there instead and by doing that he saved his life and killed himself.
@@Rioushka what about Seth Baxter, the guy that died in the pendulum trap? wasn't that rigged? XDD
@@BOMBOCLAAAAT13 if ure talking about the man because of whom his sister died, then that was his personal vendetta not a jigsaw trap xD
Technically Strahm could have lived the Glass Case Trap if he had run out of the room as soon as he trapped Hoffman instead of wasting time boasting he caught him in his face, then the door shuts behind him and there's nothing he can do about his demise. He had a few good seconds to just run from the room without any problem while the door was still open, but he didn't. The only other way out of this was death, and if he had saved his bullets instead of wasting it on the coffin, he could have killed himself faster to prevent his death from dragging on painfully and slowly. And I also don't think Hoffman expected to be in the coffin, as he jumps when the lid shuts off on him, and he also seems to yell "fuck!" inside of it. So he was surprised. He probably thought Strahm, if he didn't go in the coffin, that he would simply close it on nothing, and was seeing that he was still there.
actually Hoffman had the remote to control the walls movement. If Strahm had gone in the glass coffin, Hoffman simply wouldn't have opened up the walls after they close.
Is funny and easy to understand why most of the smartest actions were made by Hoffman or the detectives that were chasing him, and almost all the dumbest actions were made by the people inside the games.
And yet, the stupidest character in the series was still one of the detectives. Matt Gibson.
I have to give another Kramer one. Specifically from Saw II:
Detective Matthews (after finding out Jigsaw has his son in a game): Tell me where he is.
Jigsaw (being completely honest): He's in a safe place.
And after 2 hours pass the safe that Daniel Matthews was in opens. If Eric had just followed the rules of the game. Sit and listen.
Actually kramer was being cryptic and Eric was probably high an adrenaline you're right though if Eric stopped and thought about what kramer said he would find his son.
And the tape was a recording and tricked Matthews to go to that warehouse at the end
I thought this too. That's why Saw 2 and Saw 5 will forever be my favorites out of the entire series. Just for the simple fact that all they had to do was listen. Like literally LISTEN
@@curtismcpsycho8212 yes I know and understand that Kramer was being cryptic. It wouldn't be Saw if he wasn't. I'm a writer and I love using figurative language in a lot of my work. That's why I can appreciate these techniques within the entire franchise. It just hits amazingly in both the aforementioned films beautifully. 💕 💕 💕. But yes I do agree with what you said
You know what's even funnier? He didn't HAVE to listen to John. He just needed to stay on the room and do effectively nothing until the time ran out.
John told him that "he needed to listen to him" just for shits and giggles, and because he know it would make him mad.
I know many fans hate Hoffman but you have to recognize that he is the second smartest character in this franchise after John Kramer plus not only did he survive the new reverse bear trap, he also gave us a kill done by the OG trap of the whole franchise the old reverse bear trap which was something we wanted to see since the first movie
Why do they hate him ?
I think Saw fans love Hoffman.
@abhisekgogoi1043 From what I've heard/seen people prefer Amanda and wanted more of her and obviously Hoffman was her replacement, so they probably were a bit salty about him replacing her.
I personally prefer Hoffman:)
hoffman is menace
@@LJNorthey I kinda hate both. Like John and Amanda are both hypocrites, but Amanda had the gall to not allow her test subjects to win despite supposedly believing in John's methods. And Hoffman's motivation seems to decay to the point that he's just trapping people because he likes doing it.
If this list was made after Spiral came out Zeke would get on here twice because he completed both of his tests by doing two important things remain calm, and actually listen to the instructions.
I'm hella jealous of you rn
Agreed, Zeke was amazing
As a doctor there is NO WAY Lawrence could not have known he would only need to cut off the heal of his foot.
I mean, it's not rocket science
Ya and I can’t believe he accidentally cut the wrong foot off at first 🤦
@@stevegoldstein3402 lmaoo wasn't that Dr Phil? :P
Heel not heal... That's what doctors do.
@@dandavis3507 LOL, thanks. That's what I get for getting wine-drunk before going on TH-cam
saw 3 by far had the biggest twist (besides gordon). i never wouldve guessed that it was amandas test. everything tied in so perfectly. thats literally what i love ab the saw series. the stories knot together and its SO COOL.
this video alone is emotionally scarring. I can't imagine actually watching a whole movie.
And now there are nine movies I the Saw franchise.
@@TobiGoodBoy9510 now
woman on the spinning wheel: i’m pregnant pls no
they guy: WHAT DO I DO
man on the spinning wheel: i’m also pregnant
the guy: THIS IS TOO CONFUSING
Tbh, in these situations, i think almost anyone would make stupid mistakes, while panicking.... But, yeah..these are pretty smart, if not rather painfull..
Honestly, the fact that Kramer planned events so far after his death, and nothing happened that he didn't plan for pretty much is the reason he should be at the top of the list. Sure it was impressive he recruits Gordon, but honestly, him planning events after his own death and them all going the way he anticipates (mostly), and him having a backup if Jill were to get killed pretty much shows that he was by far the smartest person in this series. Honestly, if Kramer went the path of Hoffman and just start killing people, it's highly unlikely anyone would ever catch him because he'd just outwit them when they try to chase him down.
Fair point, though I think he would probably be caught eventually since Tapp and Sing catch him off-guard in the first film.
@@-xiirusthetwat-5481actually he knows, he was expecting them
If I had a nickel for ever cancer patient genus that became a serious criminal I would have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice. (Walter White)
Strohm using the pen is pure genius. Hes lucky he knew emergency training so he could properly do a trechanatomy
Regarding being chained to the pipe, one thing nobody tried is to just try breaking the pipe itself. Rusty metal is more fragile and it looked quite rusty.
Cuts off his leg when he could have used the saw to reach the phone....
Logic.
with the possible exception of Hannibal Lector, Kramer has got to be the smartest villain (if you can really call both of them Villains) in movie history, if you look at the Saw franchise as a whole, everything he had planned was carried out, he had backup plans for everything that might happen and had backups for his backups, he said it himself "f you're good at anticipating the human mind, it leaves nothing to chance".
I mean sure, but at the point of being widely unbelievable as a character too. The man isn't just good at predicting the human nature : he's goddamn Nostradamus.
As for smartest... His reasoning behind the killings is both stupid and contradicts itself, numerous times actually.
@@aleflippy1997 it is hard to believe someone could have that great a grasp on human nature and how we all work, but I think we lack his unique perspective and, you know, plot armour
@@jptheflipper3825 unique perspective? you mean kidnapping people and putting them in death traps just because he survived a car crash?
I do agree with the plot armor, most of his plans are very far fetched and didn't actually require much anticipation from the human mind. The only reason why it worked was because the writers wanted it to with no coherent reasoning.
The weird thing about the addition of that line is that if Jigsaw is such a genius when it comes to predicting people’s actions, that would imply he already knows beforehand who will and won’t survive his own traps. Which defeats their entire purpose seeing as he “leaves nothing to chance.” It doesn’t help that the success of half his larger games relies on specific characters dying.
Begins to feel like he creates traps just to kill people. Which, I mean, is fair. But it makes the constant philosophizing and moralizing pointless.
@@VideoGuy232 who cares what you think 🤔
You missed the one in Saw V where the woman took the keys from the first trap. She even said she was being smart. If she hadn't taken the keys, she wouldn't have figured out that all five of them were supposed to work together instead of separately
yep. right
I will never get over Strahm dying, man. He was so damn close.
Daniel Matthews pretending to be dead at the end of Saw II should be an honorable mention. It’s the only way he could have possibly killed Xavier, and although he didn’t know it, Amanda couldn’t get him out until the other victims had been tested.
5:21 They could've totally used their clothes, shoes, and tools provided to help tip the weight to their favor
True but that's cheating and could lead that person or both people to dying
@SEAN HARRIS Nah, cutting their butt would give the same outcome as the man's stomach. Too much time consuming
They didn't have their shoes on them , but clothes maybe
But please be aware that the opponent can also take off their clothes if you do so
The tools were chained to the table
Gordon being the number speaks volumes since he was trusted by John to look over jill and act on John behalf should anything happen to her. It was like John knew Hoffman,Amanda wouldn't be able to play by his rules nor be worthy of being his legacy when he did died.
The Saw series’s is literally the only movie can’t stomach to watch, I’ve tried many times bc it’s very interesting but I can never really make it through them, they make my stomach turnnnn
Ive always wished they could make a special eddition where they just tell the story of Jigsaw and all that without the gore. Cause the story is very interesting.
@@ashlynnheller8400 The gore is kind of vital considering his line of work lol.
It's really not that bad lol
yea, bros never watched human centipede 🤣
What amazes me is the fact that water box is real. His head actually was submerged. The panels on the sides did open, however, with crew on standby to open them when needed.
I'd point out that the nutse from Jigsaw was brilliant in making an exact copy of a game he was in 10 years prior to the one 10 years after Kramer's death just to get the dirty cop that let the murderer of his family go was on point.
The only clever thing about the jigsaw movie would have been not making it.
@@XxMCRroxnonstopxX it was still far better than 7 was, which has to be one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen. It’s up there with the last jedi
7:00 It was also an inescapable trap. Which went against Saw, however he still survived it.
Shows that hoffman hasnt changed and will kill someone and make it look like a jigsaw trap. Nice nod to him making Seth's trap inescapable.
I think Hoffman in saw 6 with the voice recognition scene and what he does to get away is pretty quick thinking on his part
You have to be a real SAW starter to call the arm cutting (5:21) a "smart decision" when nearly everyone agrees that both of them could just put their clothes (especially their shoes) on the scale.
*shits in the scale*
Eventually they'd run out of things to put and would need to start cutting flesh, especially the skinny girl, so your everyone agreement on a "smart decision" isn't smart at all. I think they directed it without victims trying to put in clothes, because two naked people cutting themselves would've been too graphical.
A Pound of *Flesh* was the instructions. Everyone knows that if you don’t follow the instructions or you try to bend the rules in Saw Games, you die.
@@andrewp.stewart4585 As far as I know nobody ever tried bending the rules after Jigsaw's death. Hoffman who oversaw all the traps from Saw V-VII probably wouldn't have given a damn.
@@screechingowl7613 got anything any valid argument to the things I brought up regarding this trap? Go watch some vids is not argument, in case you didn't know.
Hoffman was one of my favorite characters, and I remember actually rooting for him when he escaped the reverse bear trap.
I loved how clever he was.
I was recently listening to a podcast about Saw IV and V where they said that Mark Hoffman was the least interesting and charismatic character on the series. I was sitting there like, "He's absolutely one of the smartest dudes in the series, how is he not interesting?"
He's actually my second fav part of the saw serious followed by Matthews
They're completely dumb don't worry.
Probably jealous of him, knowing they'll never get as much love as he did.
I didn't like him initially, but by the final chapter I was sold on him. He became such an entertaining character.
Dr Gordon has the best handwriting of any doctor that I've ever seen 😂
I did NOT just get an ad for table saws lmao
Lol. One time I got an ad for cruise ships… I was watching a scene from Titanic.
you dont use ad block?
Rather than stupid sometimes I think it’s called blind panic that leads to what seems to be a stupid choices from an outer third-party perspective that’s just a random guessed me
The thing is lot of these traps are easily beatable it is the extreme panic and fear that causes the victims to make poor judgment calls and that is what Jigsaw is counting on.
I always thought that the glass coffin trap was to be an inescapable trap for Strahm, as Hoffman has been known to rig traps before, If Strahm had gotten into the coffin, Hoffman controlling the walls would have stopped them and leave Strahm to starve to death, the alternative we see on screen, him getting crushed.
Parents: *abuses kid daily*
Kid: I wish I didn't have to suffer like this
Kid: *goes to bed*
Kid: *wakes up in saw trap*
Pre-recorded tape: "Hello, you have been selected to be part of this trap because you were not grateful for your parents"
Basically saw
The bear trap is my favorite because while I didn’t see him dying I believe that the key must have been somewhere given that it was John last wish and he was against the traps with no escape, and I am good in seeing how a movie will end to the point is almost boring sometimes, but I wasn’t expecting him escaping like that.
Hoffman was the smartest personage after John he never truly was manipulated to be a willing sidekick like Dr.Gordon or Samantha he didn’t join willingly yet maybe with time developed taste for or just was just fed up with his corrupt colleagues, corrupt system and criminals and saw this a way to put stop to that (while not ending in prison). Basically the guy made the best of his predicament.
I always felt that it was kinda unfair to ask revenge on Hoffman given that Jill chickened up (I mean who wouldn’t if the guy survived he would have gone after her… or maybe not if she played fair) and didn’t left a key therefore setting un imposible trap for what was to be his test. Hoffman against all odds survives and gives her the same treatment, he doesn’t kill her he leaves her unconscious as she did with him and puts the trap on.
So if we put aside the “we are taking the justice in our hands, and probably are more effective than police or any prison sentence” gang morals how is that fair?
She actually went against John’s believes of that there must be always a way to beat the test given he found murdering disgusting and by doing so if succeeded becoming a murderer.
Years after film and I’m still mad for him being left there to die when Jill was the one who started the entire thing, could as well not go with her husband last wish and left the “I want to play a game in which you will answer for your crimes” gang do their thing. Let’s be real al the supposed victims kinda deserved it the only exception being the wife of the man who faked to be a jigsaw survivor and was burn alive in a modernized brazen bull (which I don’t get because by then it was John plan and that was murder of someone who didn’t even do anything wrong).
All the victims of the last Saw don't deserve dying, at all.
And you're right, Hoffman was clearly the best and he should have been able to fight back and kill Gordon.
The reason that Jill didn't leave a key for the reverse bear trap wasn't because she was scared Hoffman would go after her. It was because she found a note left by Amanda that confirmed Hoffman blackmailed her and knew of her involvement with the death of Jill's son. She wanted revenge for this which is why she tried to kill Hoffman by not leaving a key. I agree that if she had just stuck to John's wishes and left a key for him she probably would have made it out of the series alive.
The pipe the chain was attached to was rusty why not cut the pipe 🤔
The Hoffman escaping from the bear trap us the best bit
The tracheotomy was brilliant under pressure!
The thing that must people don't realize is that saw might be very cruel but he never lies
He's still evil
@@NotoriousFoxxx nO ReAlLy??!?!??!??
@@NotoriousFoxxx is he though? He takes horrible people and out them in bad places for a chance to live a new life
@@NotoriousFoxxx some people in the movie praised him as a hero. It’s all about perspective
@@laze1000 not so much because he also used innocent people in his traps as punishment for other people he didn't see as good. Or maybe even people just doing regular and not so bad things. Like in the first Saw movie, the flammable jelly trap; the victim was a man who called in sick for work (not really such a bad thing and certainly not deserving of that fate). Or Joyce from Saw 3D : The Final Chapter; she was completely innocent and oblivious to Bobby's lies but was used in the trap as motivation for Bobby to survive. Similar things occur in William Easton's trap from Saw 5 i think, he was just doing his job, granted it may have caused some deaths, thats just how insurance companies go, they cannot give money to everyone. Also Easton's colleagues were all put into the trap despite simply doing what was in their job description. Even though a very few number of traps were in the "right" like the bedroom trap for the rapist or the car jack trap for the "neo nazis" overall Jigsaw's actions are wrong and lots of times they are not "fair" or "just" in the slightest.
2:36 Of course the coffin isn’t safe. If strahm got in the coffin, Hoffman probably would have just used a remote device to stop the crusher. Why would he go into a room where he would definitely be killed if strahm obeyed? He’s not like john, he doesn’t leave a living option, both ways probably meant death.
You are confusing Amanda with Hoffman, Hoffman allowed 80% of traps to be beatable while Amanda non, but in that scene we'll never know what would have happened if Strahm went into the coffin.
Strahm and Hoffman's saves are my favorite moments in the series
yesss finally giving Simone her recognization
black queeeeeen
She won the scream queen VH1 show to get that part
Actually, the smartest way to escape the chained up foot...would have been to use that piece of toilet to smash the lock, locking the chain to the pipe. Once your free you can just carry the chain with you until you get out and then have somebody cut it off of you once your safe.
Strahms tracheotomy is my favorite moment. I hate how that movie ends though
I would say that you could just be the perfect person, but you could accidentally bump into someone and you’d be on Saws hit list
The shotgun trap would backfire nowadays he'd have a hard time figuring out which two actually wanna survive lol
Damn that’s fr tho
Lol I would straight up be like "take me out bro, I don't want to live through the trauma of this shit"
The Hoffman one is always my favourite. Especially when in 7 we see the reaction of Jill and how she know that he is out there hunting him. 😂😂
The saw when the dead guy got up literally made me cry bruh.
They did such a good job with Hoffman's character. To me, he the only true superseder.
I miss the real saw he never killed anybody he truly wanted to help them
That is the flaw behind John Kramer. His philosophy may be just, yet minor misinterpretations create unneeded viscera. Amanda is the first that comes to mind, creating unwinnable games that only serve to horrifically slaughter people.
Yea let’s just ignore the dude he literally poisoned in the first one lol but I do agree johns ideology was very interesting and he was a great character and Tobins performance was great
By putting them in life or death situations, bit overkill i must say.
@@thecommentguy9380 From his perspective its the only way to reinvigorate their love of life. After all, he did when he had to pull that metal rod out of his abdomen.
@@dgrunklesamiii4615 That still doesn't give him any reason to kidnap people and have them torture themselves
I just realized. Spiral had Chris rock tied to a pipe, does this mean we learn what happened to Hoffman?
Yeah "Spoiler Alert" Hoffman ends up becoming the Bathroom Trap's 2nd victim especially since Gordon made sure Mark had no way of escaping he even took the hacksaw just to insure Hoffman doesn't try to get out via cutting off his hand. However in Spiral "Another Spoiler Alert" Chris Rock's lead protagonist character of Detective Ezekiel "Zeke" Banks manages to become the 3rd person to escape the Bathroom Trap and he does this in the most clever way possible and that is unlike eventual franchise antagonist Dr. Gordon, and tragic protagonist Detective Matthews who escape via self-harm, Zeke manages to escape the Bathroom Trap by remaining calm and using his calm state to locate a loose bobby pin and use said loose bobby pin to unlock the shackle chaining him to the pipe.
@@derrickhaggard it's not the same bathroom in Spiral
The tracheotomy one is pure genius from a science nerd perspective
This isn't a move that was made in the film, but just a thought about the first film.... Could they not have just sawed through the pipes that the shackles were attached to? They looked pretty old and rusty and probably could have been sawed through quite easily
Or the cheap ass padlocks
I dunno the saws were so weak that they couldn't even saw through the chains so who really knows
@@ninjagator1183 but they might've been able to saw through the cheap padlocks
@@cooperminion825 Padlock is a good shout... You probably could have just bashed the padlock on the floor a good few times and break it
Did I hear a Hitstart quote
7:22 if the box wasn’t attached facing upwards, he could’ve bent backwords or forewards by just having his head upside down
about the first one, maybe breaking your foot wasn’t the best option, since u got a saw and your foot it chained to an old rusty pipe, meaning it would technically be easy to saw off the pipe and take the chain out of it so you’d be free. I know what you’re gonna say “there might be gas circulating in there” I don’t think there would be, since it’s a bathroom, it would most likely be used for water circulation even if the pipes outside were used for gas circulation
Im sure there was some guy who spilled some coffee on john heard about him on the news and moved to another town and he is the smartest
The smashing the foot trick is still on the table for Hoffman at the end on Saw 3D
Gordon made sure to remove the hacksaw from the room. Since he has been Kramer's accomplice since the 2nd movie, he likely knew about Eric Matthews and may have also removed the tanker lid and any other tools like that while Hoffman was unconscious. Idk, but it is doubtful Hoff survived
@@loganmorton1543 Correct. And the only reason why Zeke escaped the Bathroom Trap in Spiral was because "Spoiler Alert" he remained calm and used said calm state to locate a loose bobby pin and use it like a lockpick to escape.
@@loganmorton1543 I’m pretty sure the creators said Hoffman died but honestly their could’ve been other ways of breaking your leg to get loose
Oh I didnt realize this was just posted I just clicked
same
Samee
Simone face when cutting her arm was killing me XD
2:30 fun fact: it was the director’s son who came up with the idea of the Wall crush idea, after the original idea Peter gets drowned in a flood didn’t work.
8:20 that’s the smartest one imo like my jaw dropped wtf
Wait that was bad wording💀
The thing about the whole sawing his own foot off that I always considered was that they couldn't cut the chain, presumably because the saw blade wasn't adequate, but I wonder if they could have hacked through the pipe they were chained to.
I going to assume time? If I remember correctly they were timed and pressure to escape or kill one another before the clock hit zero? Would it be faster to cut through the pipe or fleshy foot?
You forgot that, instead of doing your own trap, you can just throw Amanda into your trap pit and make her do it!
Absolute genius
My favorite series of movies in the past
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This movie really stressed me when I was a kid. I remember after watching Saw 1-3, my head feels heavy and very dizzy. I felt that all people around are part of the trap game 😵
#2 was my absolute favorite SAW (franchise) moment
7:14 An mistake with the scene. They should have blocked his nose. Because in the scene the nose are open,
so when he breathes through his throat then he breathes through his nose at the same time.
So actually, he would drown there. Not survive 😑
I don't care who does it someone needs to make a "would Batman survive Saw" video.
Saw is one of my favourite horror franchises and i absolutely agree with you on number one when i saw the ending to Saw 3D I WAS BLOWN AWAY! i never expected it to be Dr. Gordon nor was i expecting such a "OMG" moment , i love the story lines of all the movies but Saw 3D has the best ending BY FAR!!!
Hoffman got a more modern bear trap and Jill got the one Amanda was in in the first movie as it was most likely kept in the evidence room after the cops rescued Amanda
John kept it, either that or made another one. It was in the makeshift operating room in Saw III when Lynn was walking around looking at things.
They should make a film where Jigsaw has a trap battle against an evil clone of himself. The entire thing is a series of improbable plan B reveals set to dramatic music.
They could call it Kramer vs Kramer.
Death note but old people
Take out the clone but how about someone that's like him mentally. Like how Holmes had Moriarty?
@@furionmax7824 i have the perfect person
Kevin from Home alone
thats a shit idea, please do not ever consider applying for a job in hollywood
@OffBrandFiji nah man you need to take sarcasm detection lessons
i saw horror in your youtube name and instantly subbed
2:53 that trap was pretty rigged because if straham went into the coffin hoffman could just leave him to rot in there
7:30 what you’re here for
I'm convinced that the people who don't get why horror characters make poor decisions are people who have never experienced actual fear.
i never could hurt myself that much idk
never been in a situation like that but i just cant think about doing this to me
Good video, cant wait to see you all at sawcon 2023!
I'd say Xavair in Saw 2 should have made this list for pushing Amanda into the needle-pit trap. Yes, it's his trap and she fails but he avoid extreme injury and/or picking up an STD from the used needles.
That's not smart, that's called being a selfish asshole.
@@waterzoip Hate to point out, but sometimes being a selfish *sshole is also being smart.
@@Shadowcat753 or you could just have asked for somebody's shoes to dig throu the needles...? or even used the sheets from the bed nearby to cover your hands? Nah man, he just panicked and went full gorilla on Amanda. I don't call that being smart.
*I'm smarter than them all.*
I never got trapped in a room with a sadistic manic telling me to mutilate myself over a speaker system.
10 billion IQ move.
The scene in walking dead when rick, michone and Carl are ambushed and didn’t have time to get to their weapons so Rick bites that guys neck and he bleeds out. By far my favorite scene.
I’ve never watched this before, but I am greatly interested