A walk through the Handley Page "Halifax" in Elvington
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- A walk through the Handley Page "Halifax" in Elvington
On August 8th, 2006 I had the great chance to visit one of only two remained Handley Page Halifaxes in Elvington, UK. Once again, many thanks to the museum for the great support.
The reconstruction of the presented Halifax LV907, named 'Friday the 13th' is based on a selection fuselage of a Halifax II (HR792), which crashed after an emergency landing on the Isle of Lewis in 1945. Originally the wings belonged to Handley Page Hastings (TG536).
It was very impressive to see this aircraft from outside and above all it was exciting to explore it inside.
Am 08. August 2008 hatte ich die großartige Möglichkeit, eine von nur noch zwei existierenden Handley Page Halifax in Elvington, UK von außen und innen zu besichtigen. Nochmals vielen Dank an die Museumsleute für die großartige Unterstützung.
Der Rumpf des rekonstruierten Halifax-Bomber, der heute die Seriennummer LV907 in Erinnerung an die erfolgreich „Friday the 13th" trägt, stammte ursprünglich von einer Halifax II (NR792), die 1945 auf der Isle of Lewis notlanden musste. Die Tragflächen stammen von einer Handley Page Hastings (TG536).
Schon von außen betrachtet handelt es sich um ein beeindruckendes Flugzeug; noch spannender war es aber, das Innere zu erkunden.
In Memory of Halifax NP810, coded EQ-H and its crew which crashed on November, 21st, 1944 in Hochdahl-Trills, Germany.
In Gedenken an die Crew der Halifax NP810 mit der Kennung EQ-H, die am 21. November 1944 in Hochdahl-Trills, Deutschland, abstürzte.
Flying Lieutenant A. Steeves RCAF (POW) 1986
Sergeant Sgt H. E. Clark RAF (KIA) 21/11/1944
Flying Officer A. Rowley RCAF (KIA) 21/11/1944
Flying Officer L. Frizzell RCAF (KIA) 21/11/1944
Pilot Officer E. K. Wilson RCAF (KIA) 21/11/1944
Sergeant J. A. McPhee RCAF (POW)
Pilot Officer L. Basarab RCAF (KIA) 21/11/1944
Further information can be found at:
Boller, Thomas; Eggerath, Hanna
"Der alte Flugmotor von Hochdahl-Trills"
Die Geschichte der Halifax NP810 - EQ-H
SUTTON VERLAG 2007
ISBN: 3-86680-166-1
![Inside a Halifax Heavy Bomber: Crew, Turrets and Guns [HP Halifax 2/2]](/img/n.gif)
Have just come across this film of 'Friday 13th Halifax' at Elvington. The person responsible for the rebuild and the driving force behind the whole project including the 'T2' Hangar build was Ian Robinson, who sadly died in September 2010. Ian worked for Handley Page at Rawcliffe (York) during the war, he started at 19 years old as a Flight Engineer testing damaged and rebuilt Halifaxes prior to them being returned to R.A.F. service. Most surviving Halifax aircraft were reduced to scrap at the end of WWII, the few remaining were sold on to private companies for various uses. Ian was determined that one should at least be preserved for the future generation to see, hence this rebuild. Ian scoured the country for a suitable Halifax fuselage from which to start the project, one was found in Stornaway being used as a hen coop, the rest is history. Ian wrote a book about the rebuild called 'The Unbeaten Warrior Returns' (ISBN:1.901791.00.9) in which he outlines all the problems encountered, but also the tremendous help and support from BAe and other companies. He received much valuable help from a small army of unpaid volunteers who spent a few years on the aircraft. Ian was awarded a well deserved M.B.E. for his efforts with the rebuild.
On a personable note, I worked with him on this and other projects for over 20 years, he was a true enthusiast!.
Thanks for the video. My late father, Flt Lt John Charles Davies, RAFVR flew 13 operations in Halifaxes with 102 (Ceylon) Squadron, based at Pocklington in 1944 and 1945. Capt Bill Heinrich, RAAF, was his skipper. We were there for the rollout in 1996 and in 2006, the Museum very kindly gave him a tour of the aircraft and he got to sit in his old navigator's position. He died in 2010. RIP Dad xxxx
Saw her in September 2018 and was awestruck by her powerful presence.
I had the great pleasure of having Godfrey Lee work for me at Airship Industries. A lovely kindly and amusing man who was also an inspired aeronautical engineer. He would have been delighted with this film I am quite certain.
Great to see the old Halifax, been up the remains of one in Mid Wales up the Elan Valley many times, found gauge fronts, switches and fuse covers etc and other bits and pieces over the years and can see where the odd one was, in an actual aircraft. 10/10
Many thanks for sharing this video. My mum's cousin was a Rear Gunner in Halifax II of 158 sqn (DT579 NP-V) which was shot down by flak over France on December 11,1942, on their way to bomb Turin. Sadly all were killed. I hope one day to be able to visit the Elvington Halifax.
That was special for me. My grandad went down in HR905 with the 405 pathfinders RCAF. He was bomb aimer often wondered what they looked like inside. What his station looked like. He also had talent as a navigator I've heard that was a asset as he had a good view and could be of assistance in that.
I am a young filmmaker and I had the privilege of filming in this very plane last year for the final film of my Masters Degree in film directing. The museum staff were fantastic in giving us all the information we needed and it was an honour to film onboard such a great piece of history!
My father Fl/lt McAdam DFC was pilot of Friday 13th, he cut the seat to make a pouch for his Lyer Dyce, I still have it.
My father was also a navigator on a Halifax, part of the free french squadron, during WWII.
i remember visiting sometime in the late eighties when from memory they just started the restoration what a great job they have done
My late father (RCAF 78 Sqn) saw action onboard a Halifax as a tail gunner and wireless operator. Had he lived just 2 years longer he would have seen this wonderful video and filled you in on a few details! As it is I find it personally very meaningful to see. Thanks so much for making it available.
Looking at the inside it makes you realise just how difficult it would have been to bale out of this aircraft if hit !! No wonder so many brave crew from bombers never returned !
Great walk through, quite often visit the crash site of a Halifax in the hills of the Elan Valley. Crashed 12/12/1944 killing all the crew. Very little left of it nowadays.
Well done!
Thank you.
You chose a perfect musical score for this. While it is somewhat sad as indeed it should be. It took a lot of brave men to stop Hitler.
Stop him from what?
Fantastic plane and vid! Thanks for sharing man, and greets from the Netherlands!
I'm glad that you like the video.
Thanks a lot for your comment!
Thomas
It's the anniversary of the death of my uncle Robert Leyland on the 25th July. I was looking for something to put on my FB page and this vid is it. Bob flew with 102 Squadron from Pocklington, Yorkshire, England. He was a radio operator and was shot down in 1944 and rests in France.
Bill12700 My father navigated a Hampden Bill, he was shot down in 40, over Hamburg, in POW camp four and a half years.
As men, they were beyond brave, but then, he used to say - "it was a country worth fighting for in those days...."!!
I don't know if I would risk my neck for this island now.....?
@@cityandsuburb thats the fighting spirit
My half brother died in a Halifax Mk3 Sqd 199, 100 group.--, on the 3/5/1945, THE last R.A.F Bombing raid on Germany (Kiel) 5 days from wars end. His plane RG 373--and RG 375 collided, only 3 crew, out of 14 combined, survived. I have recently been given proof, that RG 375, had been shot at by a Luftwaffe JU88 night fighter , causing the collision. The pilots logbook for that night and time, shows that this was his last wartime flight also---such is fate.
i doubt that TBH. Took me all of three seconds to trawl up a load of stuff about 199 Sqn and 100 Grp.
Quite right, that was google arsing about
@broot4u Thank you very much for your comment. Three years ago I have visited the Halifax in Trenton. I had also the chance to walk through to this great aircraft! I agree with you: They did a beautiful work!
Nice to hear that your father enjoyed the video! Best regards!
Thank you for the video, a relative of mine was a wireless operator in 138 squadron on Hally's, he flew out of Churchill's most secret airbase RAF Tempsford. Flight Sergeant Arthur Stokes DFM was KIA on Operation Bronze 1943 all crew lost Pilot that sad day was Sqdn Ldr Gibson a relative of the famous Dambuster, Arthur and his colleagues are buried at Durnbach in Germany. The secret missions they went on included dropping SOE's Special Operations Executives including the famous Violette Szabo.
Congratulations! Great video.
The navigator sat in the nose of the Halifax. His seat bench was between the bomb aimer and the wireless operator. In the video you can find a plan of the crew position ( 5:27 min). Number 6 displays the navigator.
It's Huge! Looks great worth the visit xD
To see where my late father sat in the tail was frightening! how did they do it??? Ross McKinnon
My late father in law, William Murray, was a navigator in the original Friday the 13th, tail no. N-PF. Both he and the plane survived the war as I understand it. He was on many of the later bomb runs that created the infamous fire storm, and after the war he visited several of those unfortunate towns and was .v sad about the innocent lives lost. Of course it was necessary in response to what the Germans were similarly doing to English cities.
Quite so--
Very nice video, very informative.
Yes... wonderful video! And the Hallie was quite commodious, although earlier Marks were out performed by the Lancaster, data showed that aircrew were able to get out of a Halifax more easily than the Lancaster. So, while more likely to GET shot down, you were more likely to live through it!
My Great Uncle and his fellow crew mates of 77 Squadron ( six Canadians and one Scott) were shot down in their Halifax Bomber, while returning from a Bombing Raid, over DusselDorf Germany. All seven were KIA. Them and so many others like them, paid the Ultimate sacrifice, so we could be free. A Sacrifice that should always be Remembered. The true meaning of the word " Hero". I have a tribute video on my channel, for my Great Uncle and his fellow crew mates, called " the Last flight of....."
My uncle, F/Sgt W.H.S. Buckwell, was the pilot of JD113, 419 Moose Sqn, RCAF. He fell on May 13/14, 1943 over Dalen Holland. Gone, but not forgotten.
In many ways, the un-sung hero of WWII. Many more Canadians flew in Halifax's than in the Lanc. But the Lanc gets the glory.
My father was a Canadian flying as a tailgunner in a Halifax Mark III of RAF 578Squadron . Thankfully, he survived the war.
I went to see this aircraft today. I was a little disappointed to learn that the wings of this exhibit actually came from a Handley Page Hastings, hence there are no bomb racks between the inner engines and the fuselage. It still looks good though, even if it is a composite of three aircraft.
My other Great Uncle Norman, flew as a Pilot in a Halifax for 158 Squadron, completed 35 sorties and awarded the DFC. He even flew the famous "Friday the 13th" Halifax Bomber stationed at 158 Squadron at Lissett Airbase. One of the few Bombers to make it over 100 sorties. Too bad some guy decide to scrap such a historic item. Great though, that the Yorkshire Air Museum Restored a Halifax and named her" Friday the 13th" .
To bad the original " Friday The 13th" Bomber went to the scrap yard after being displayed in London for many years although it's great to have this one in Elvington! A fantastic job by the Y.A.M. to preserve this famous bomber. My great Uncle Norman Tilston was one of the Pilots of the " Friday the 13th" Halifax Bomber with 158 Squadron. I also took a tour...it's was great !
i was shooting on what was formerly raf skipton on swale a few years ago and read on the internet that it was mostly rcaf guys who flew lancasters from there as in the control tower relatives have placed ashes and plaques from the chaps that served there as a memorial, all of the buildings are intact i think but little of the runways remain as it is now a turkey farm and it is still by the look of it being returned to farming but it seems the farmer has no wish to disturb the buildings, the nearby pub named the busby stoop is interesting as i read that most of the crews would not sit in a particular chair before flying as it was considered bad luck as it was the chair used by a murderer many years before and was donated by the landlord some years after the last war to york museum where it still resides.
@broot4u Thanks for the update. I understand the reasons for not having her fly again. It'd be nice to be able to taxi though, just like 'Just Jane'. In fact, I've heard they've decided to restore 'Just Jane' to flying status. That would make for a total of 4 flying Lancs in the future if you include the current Nanton restoration. I've also heard another Hally project is afoot in the very early stages of recovery, LW170. I hope they find her and bring her back to Canada.
Very good video to see what was like inside one my uncle harold hutchinson special airman of 138 squadren l9618 nf y piloted by leo anderle dfc misiing between egypt and malta never found possible engine failure crashed in the sea must have been an adventure at such a young age and so sad they never came home to family
Hey, great job! I wish more people had the presense of mind to make a nice, steady scan around the inside as they move through an aircraft. Too many people go to film the interior and just kind of walk through, camera bouncing around way to fast to get a good look at anything, missing huge sections and making it impossible to get any good sense of detail or of how everything fits together. Thank you very much. Now, if I could just find one like this of a Lancaster! (No offense to the Halifax!)
It is likely because his TRADE was "air gunner" and his RANK was "Pilot Officer" -- one above Warrant officer and one below Flying Officer (RAF/RCAF). In this case, the pilot was a F/Lt -- one step above F/O. However, many crews were "captained" (piloted) by a F/Sgt with people out-ranking him in other positions in the aircraft -- he was still the boss. Also, promotions seemed to come more quickly to RCAF personnel than RAF.
@Gerrix2008 Yes, both Uncle. The one that got shot down is in my head MZ829 KNX-Y but the other i would have to look for. I think it's on my channel page in the web link.
i am a royal canadian air cadet and i got to go in to the plane one of my grandfathers polited one of the planes
Hallo, great video, I am interessted in the Halifax, did aviation art painting. Now I am working on a Halifax painting, story of the crew of Halifax DK 269 MP-J 76 Sqdn. Homebase , Home on spalding Moore GB. Crashed 28. 08. 1943 after bombing Nürnberg. Last week I visit the graves of this crew at the british war cemetary at Dürnbach Tegernsee. 2900 Aircrew members are buried there. Did you know how to get photos of the crew? I know the names from the gravestones. Greetings Ed
My Grandfather flew Lancasters and then Halifaxes for the 408 Goose squadron at Linton on Ouse, I know he flew a few codes but I forget if they were the Lancs or Halifaxes, my Dad would know better, EQ-F and EQ-P I believe.
My dad worked for Handley Page/Ministry of aircraft Production at what was Rawcliffe aerodrome and also some where near Liverpool scraping n saving serviceable parts though he wasn't a tradesman he took great care with his task and often spoke of the state of aircraft that were brought to Rawcliffe and the stories they could have told,i do hope his spirit walked through Elvington
@MrBNaylor Do you have the Serial-Number and the Code of yozr Great Uncle's Halifax?
@broot4u I've heard the Trenton Hally can be restored to flying condition except there's no funding for the necessary rebuilding of the main spar. I've also heard the engines are functional and the bomber can be taxied. Can you confirm this? I'd love to see her fly one day.
Email carl Kasgaard at 57 Rescue. He will tell you. I don't think it would be legal even if they wanted to. I don't think it is made from aircraft grade aluminium. It was not made to fly, and as such was not inspected during the build. The props are made out of fibre glass, as are the main U/Carriage legs. To make a flying example, would be to make it so from the get-go. And would be a very slow process for such a large and thus complex aircraft. - Would be a joy if it were to be so! hey ho!
Pity about the lighting but a nice walk through, thanks
@kugluktuk48 To be fair, the Lancaster was the better of the two in terms of bomb load, useful bomb load, altitude, range, speed and survivability - though the Halifax was easier to get out of in a rush!
Mon père a fait la guerre dans un Halifax. DFC
Pity there's no flying example of the Halifax bombers anywhere at least we have at least one in a museum as a tribute to the brave young men who took the war to the nazis lest we forget the sacrifice that they made
I always thought the Halifax was the sexiest looking WW2 RAF Bomber...more so than the Lancaster...theres just something about it!!!!
At least even a tall crew member could stand up in one--unlike other bombers.
I think the music wildly inappropriate. A bomber is used to bomb.How on earth is Mozart's more wistful music apt for such a subject?
Sorry, this is not Mozart - it is "Air" by J.S. Bach (Suite No. 3, BWV 1068)
Hahaha.
Did you have to choose German music?
Because every german thing is bad? Bach was an magnificent musician and there were no nazis in the 17th and 18th century. The royal family is partly german. Your Christmas tree is german. You drive a car, that were invented by a german. You use an digital computer and hear mp3 all of this came from Germany! If hate a thing becaus it's came from germany throw your, computer and all that other stuff away because it's evil to use them because it's german
@@The_Str4nger No--because the choice in suitable music in enormous--preferably English.