All who deny the truth of Genesis merely prove they are what Jesus spoke of: Matthew 13:15 For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’
What comes to mind is where the serpent asks ‘hath God ‘ said and then twists God’s word. Jesus told the pharisees that if they believed Moses, they would believe in him. Nothing has changed except technology spreads lies faster.
I like to simply read it and re read it , I personally think it’s how we divide the word that yields its fruits .... we added numbers and extras that kinda give us a pace .... drop the numbers / chapter markers and read wirh as much pause as you divide ... genesis is all of these things , prose , history ,poetry and within those words I feel like supports young and old beliefs .... of course it can be both ... I like Gerald Shroeders take on genesis
God said 'if you do not believe me on earthly matters, how can you expect to believe me about heavenly things' (paraphrased and in reference to his conversation with Nicodemus).
So when He is discussing prose vs poetry and you observe the what he states about poetry would make much of the Bible mythology, such as Job or the Psalms because they are poetry. Another thing that I find problematic is his take on the genre from the time Genesis was written. Moses writes that God comes down to see what the people of Babel are up to as if God doesn’t know. This seems to indicate a prose as we think of it is not what the ancient reader might have thought. Are not most of the prophets written in prose giving historical accounts and yet they include a great amount of imagery. Is Revelation poetry, no! We are to read it as real historical events given in symbology. So the case he is making does not seem to hold up.
Revelation is a part of the genre of apocalyptic literature, Genesis is not. I recommend you watch the full video again as he covers your objections. Historical works do not need to rigidly exclude prose, they just need to be mostly historical, which Genesis is (statistically 99.99%). Your analogy of "God coming down" at Babel does not somehow change the entire genre of Genesis. That's not prose but a limited human description of God's interaction with humanity.
10:15 " these are great scholars" 2 Timothy 3:7 “Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” Luke 11:52 "Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered." Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children." Here we have a Dr. in cluelessness. Origen said that only the simple minded remain mired in literal interpretations of scripture. The bible is not a construction manual, it is not a geography textbook nor is it a historic one. Unicorns never existed.
The Skeptics Annotated Bible lists 90 contradictions in Genesis. Moses wrote Genesis God dictated the Genesis story to Moses God cannot make a mistake. Conclusion: God gave man Free Will and Reason to discover 90 contradictions in God's account of Genesis.
James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "The Skeptics Annotated Bible lists 90 contradictions in Genesis. Moses wrote Genesis God dictated the Genesis story to Moses God cannot make a mistake. Conclusion: God gave man Free Will and Reason to discover 90 contradictions in God's account of Genesis." The Real Conclusion: Foolish people believe there are 90 contradictions in the book of Genesis. Dan
Bible Liberation Movement , you wrote, "The bible is not a construction manual, it is not a geography textbook nor is it a historic one. Unicorns never existed." The Bible is a construction manual as well as a geography/history text book. How do you define "unicorn"? Some translations have it as a "wild bull" or "wild ox", others as a rhinocerous. Whatever it is, it must fit into this context: _"Canst thou bind the [place name here] with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?" -- Job __39:10__ KJV_ Example: _"Can you hitch a wild ox to a plow? Will it plow a field for you?" -- Job __39:10__ NLT 1996_ Dan
I did research on the unicorn in the Bible thing previously, apparently it refers to rhinoceroses. Feel free to research it though. Don't take my word for it. Just like everybody else, I don't know squat.
I understand you were attempting to extend grace, but that statement to the School board about science and religion. That had the ring of someone who's heart is unregenerate. To deny the scripture is to deny the word of God. Thay leads me to question their true faith, i would be looking for fruit as scripture tells me to do. I would be calling them to repentance as the only loving thing to do.
Tradition credits Moses as the author of Genesis, as well as Exodus, Book of Leviticus, Numbers and most of Book of Deuteronomy, but modern scholars increasingly see them as a product of the 6th and 5th centuries BC. (Wikipedia) James Ussher, Bishop of Ireland, gives1571 BCE as Moses birth year. So if Moses wrote "Genesis" then Moses lived before the earth was formed by God 6000 years ago. So Moses probably lived on another planet until God turned him into Adam. Which is why Moses/Adam knew things we don't know. Which is why we need science.
Are you on a crusade against God? I assume you are an atheist, in which case, why should you care what people believe? We are all dead in the end anyway right? It appears to me that you have a deep internal rage against God in your soul.
James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "Tradition credits Moses as the author of Genesis, as well as Exodus, Book of Leviticus, Numbers and most of Book of Deuteronomy, but modern scholars increasingly see them as a product of the 6th and 5th centuries BC." Modern "scholars" believe they know more about the book than the people the book was written for? That is funny . . . =============== James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "James Ussher, Bishop of Ireland, gives1571 BCE as Moses birth year." I believe Moses was born in 1537 BC. =============== James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "So if Moses wrote "Genesis" then Moses lived before the earth was formed by God 6000 years ago." Either that, or Moses wrote the historical and prophetic account of Genesis while under the inspiration of God. I choose the latter: _"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." -- 2Pet __1:21__ KJV_
=============== James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "So Moses probably lived on another planet until God turned him into Adam. Which is why Moses/Adam knew things we don't know. Which is why we need science." Don't be silly, James . We need science to put to rest the culture-destroying, nation-destroying myth of evolutionism Dan
James, your big problem is you are using Wikipedia as an authoritative reference. You lose all credibility in any argument you make because everyone knows that anyone can write anything they want on a Wikipedia article which is absurd that you would even use something like that as a "Scientific" or "Factual" reference.
I have to be honest that I have read nothing of you but the first I thought of as I was listening of you was that you have missed a big scriptural point. And that is, is we live in a time that we need to make things biblically simple (Nehemiah 8:7,8; Luke 24:27; Acts 8:31,32). I know there are many bible translations, all of which I like. But there is a translation is the easiest to read. And the day you find it and remain in it, you will be able to explain the truth to all.
I like the fact he calls the bible factual history. So even after reading about God sanctifyig the 7th day why do all by this group disobey Godand keep Sunday and every other pagan day, God calls an abomination
Pagans didn't invent Sunday. Your belief that the world and it's days are divided into sacred and secular is the pagan, unbiblical view. The Bible teaches that everything is God's, including every day. Jesus rose on Sunday, so we worship on Sunday. It's absolutely absurd to call that pagan.
Even if you could twist the Lord's day (Sunday, day of resurrection) into the "Sabbath" (God-command day of rest) the command is simply to keep it Holy. That means to make it an especially theo-centric exercise. That which rules the day is honesty, service, family (man + wife = kids), worship, rest/recreation, etc. It has nothing to do with the stifling of behaviors into specific categories of do this but don't do that. This is one of the things Jesus reprimanded humanity for - the correction was about perverting to command to such a level that people walking by stalks of wheat and nabbing a few grains to nibble on was some sort of egregious affront to God. That wasn't the point. The Creator combined the re-affirmation of one's worship compass back from anthropocentric accomplishment to being in awe of the Creator along with Good's own design that we people literally need a day to collect our thoughts and relax.
This Jewish Laws were written to the Jews. In the new testament the early church celebrated on Sunday showing that Jesus was Lord over Sabbath. Paul makes it clear we are not under the law. Sabbath is not mentioned after the resurrection.
The Bible was only written for God’s predestinated elect the ones God before knew before the foundation of this earth was created! They were predestinated to be conformed to the image of Christ!
First there was four people - Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel. Cain then kills Abel which leaves three people alive on the earth. Are we correct so far? After God curses Cain for killing his brother, Cain wanders off to the land of Nod and meets, or has sex with his wife and builds a city. Still ok? Now remember that God or Moses is the narrator of this story and God cannot make a mistake and Moses is His Prophet so Moses can't make a mistake either. Now between the lines that say Cain kills Abel, and Cain wanders off to the land of Nod to meet his wife and have some sex, some pages must be missing - or God or Moses had a senior moment. In any case, I know why God/Moses named the city "Nod". Because that is what happens to some people that read this story. What is truly challenging to the cognitive process is the excuses that Christian apologists offer to keep it sacred, such as "there are things to consider", or "its allegorical in nature",or "the people in that story lived for hundreds of years". However, the truth is much simpler. Genesis is an example of what happens when human primates living in the Bronze Age tried to make sense of a complex process for which they were not prepared. Their only option was to make up a story, and the best story was written as sacred scripture and passed on to children as truth. Fortunately, in my case, Genesis is not truth.
What is truly challenging to the cognitive process is the excuses that Darwinian apologists offer to keep it sacred, such as "there are things to consider", or "ignore the Precambrian explosion" or "don't look at the fossil record". However, the truth is much simpler. Darwinism is an example of what happens when human primates living in the pre DNA world of science tried to make sense of a complex process for which they were not prepared. Their only option was to make up a story, and the best story was written as sacred scripture, and passed on to children as truth. Only after a lengthy court battle and only then through the government school system since most intelligent people believed it to be bad science. Moses' walk took men to freedom. Darwin's theory brought us the Nationalist Socialist (NAZI) Party of Germany that believed Darwin and his model. The result was 13 million dead at the NAZI hands because the others were of "inferior" race and intelligence. Yea! Go Darwin! What a winner.
James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "First there was four people - Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel. Cain then kills Abel which leaves three people alive on the earth. Are we correct so far?" No. That is uneducated speculation on your part. =============== James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "After God curses Cain for killing his brother, Cain wanders off to the land of Nod and meets, or has sex with his wife and builds a city. Still ok?" Still not okay. =============== James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "Now remember that God or Moses is the narrator of this story and God cannot make a mistake and Moses is His Prophet so Moses can't make a mistake either. Now between the lines that say Cain kills Abel, and Cain wanders off to the land of Nod to meet his wife and have some sex, some pages must be missing - or God or Moses had a senior moment. In any case, I know why God/Moses named the city "Nod". Because that is what happens to some people that read this story." Only those foolish enough to believe they are wiser than God would make such a childish statement. =============== James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "What is truly challenging to the cognitive process is the excuses that Christian apologists offer to keep it sacred, such as "there are things to consider", or "its allegorical in nature",or "the people in that story lived for hundreds of years". However, the truth is much simpler. Genesis is an example of what happens when human primates living in the Bronze Age tried to make sense of a complex process for which they were not prepared. Their only option was to make up a story, and the best story was written as sacred scripture and passed on to children as truth." The book is far too complex for mere men to understand. =============== James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "Fortunately, in my case, Genesis is not truth." What is fortunate about it? Dan
Do some serious theological study. Your whole argument is pathetic and only serves to highlight a gross lack of knowledge! Been refuted by fact a thousand times over.
Wow James there is so much wrong with what you just said but let me let you consider this everything you just said about Genesis is just the kind of objections that latter day rational logical thinkers are saying about Darwinian evolution and current cosmology. It's got a lot of holes in it that cosmologists and evolutionists try to fill with ideas that don't hold water
The theory of evolution is based on random generic mutation. Darwin wrote when DNA & RNA was not discovered. It is impossible to have random generic mutation with intelligent code result in a positive outcome. If you are a Software Engineer you know all heck breaks loose with random code.
Gary Walker , you wrote, "I accept that the Theory of Evolution (and other Scientific Theories) are valid because they can and have been tested and they are based on Science and Technologies that have practical application. " Evolutionism is a faith-based religious cult. Dan
James Richard Wiley , you wrote, "Darwin did not invent his findings.He was forced to draw conclusions from actual evidence that is readily available for everyone to see." Even a child recognizes the existences of microevolution; but there is no evidence for macroevolution, nor will there ever be. Dan
Dr. Boyd grossly misrepresents the beliefs of Old Earth creationists, who in fact share his opinion that “Genesis is History”. This is a mediocre presentation, poorly filmed and poorly delivered. “Poetry versus prose” is a false dichotomy; much Biblical prose including Genesis 1 embeds poetry or employs figures of speech. Boyd should know that. He makes a good case that the author(s) of Genesis intended (most of) it as history. This fails to advance his idea that the earth is young, that Genesis actually teaches it is young, or (most importantly) that Genesis is even reliable. This guy really needs help with PowerPoint styles.
Maybe you'll edit your comment again, but I will reply to what you have written at this point. You say that "Dr. Boyd grossly misrepresents the beliefs of Old Earth creationists, who in fact share his opinion that "Genesis is History"." Do "Old Earth creationists" believe that the order of creation in Genesis is historically true? The order being the Earth coming before the sun, moon & stars, and also birds coming before the land animals, as written in Genesis? If you accept the order of creation in Genesis, you can't also believe in Big Bang cosmic evolution because that has a different order -- stars and the sun coming before the Earth. If you believe the order of creation in Genesis, you can't also believe in biological evolution either, because that has a different order -- land animals coming before birds. It isn't just the historical time frame of Genesis that you have to reject to believe in evolution as well, it is the order of historical events in the Creation account. So, if you think "Dr. Boyd grossly misrepresents the beliefs of Old Earth creationists", go ahead, tell us how "Old Earth creationists" believe "Genesis is History".
@@TheMoravians I reject your interpretation since it is inconsistent with basic scientific facts, rendering the Bible in error. Why do you desire to undermine Biblical authority? And why are you afraid to use your real name? Embarrassed?
@@stevenwilling131 I asked you several questions, but you answered NONE. My name is Cliff Hutchison. I am not "embarrassed" to ask real questions of someone who posts accusations instead of saying what they themselves believe. What do "Old Earth creationists" believe is history about Genesis?
I have to be honest that I have read nothing of you but the first I thought of as I was listening of you was that you have missed a big scriptural point. And that is, is we live in a time that we need to make things biblically simple (Nehemiah 8:7,8; Luke 24:27; Acts 8:31,32). I know there are many bible translations, all of which I like. But there is a translation is the easiest to read. And the day you find it and remain in it, you will be able to explain the truth to all.
Not understanding why all the camera angles are so off all the time??? Quite annoying and distracting 🤦♂️😵
It is lying garbage that's why.
To summerize, what does all this mean?
All who deny the truth of Genesis merely prove they are what Jesus spoke of: Matthew 13:15 For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’
What comes to mind is where the serpent asks ‘hath God ‘ said and then twists God’s word. Jesus told the pharisees that if they believed Moses, they would believe in him. Nothing has changed except technology spreads lies faster.
I like to simply read it and re read it , I personally think it’s how we divide the word that yields its fruits .... we added numbers and extras that kinda give us a pace .... drop the numbers / chapter markers and read wirh as much pause as you divide ... genesis is all of these things , prose , history ,poetry and within those words I feel like supports young and old beliefs .... of course it can be both ... I like Gerald Shroeders take on genesis
Please leave your feelings out of any biblical discussion you either believe what God says because he said it or you don’t!
@@artifacthunter1472 maybe you have the feelings
Why not just post the document instead of making a video of someone reading it?
God said 'if you do not believe me on earthly matters, how can you expect to believe me about heavenly things' (paraphrased and in reference to his conversation with Nicodemus).
The dude with the camera needs some glasses 😂🤣😂
Science has proven lots of evidence to say this world. Is younger than some believe.
So when He is discussing prose vs poetry and you observe the what he states about poetry would make much of the Bible mythology, such as Job or the Psalms because they are poetry. Another thing that I find problematic is his take on the genre from the time Genesis was written. Moses writes that God comes down to see what the people of Babel are up to as if God doesn’t know. This seems to indicate a prose as we think of it is not what the ancient reader might have thought. Are not most of the prophets written in prose giving historical accounts and yet they include a great amount of imagery. Is Revelation poetry, no! We are to read it as real historical events given in symbology. So the case he is making does not seem to hold up.
Revelation is a part of the genre of apocalyptic literature, Genesis is not. I recommend you watch the full video again as he covers your objections. Historical works do not need to rigidly exclude prose, they just need to be mostly historical, which Genesis is (statistically 99.99%). Your analogy of "God coming down" at Babel does not somehow change the entire genre of Genesis. That's not prose but a limited human description of God's interaction with humanity.
The idea that Genesis is historically accurate is itself, history.
10:15 " these are great scholars"
2 Timothy 3:7
“Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.”
Luke 11:52
"Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered."
Hosea 4:6
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."
Here we have a Dr. in cluelessness.
Origen said that only the simple minded remain mired in literal interpretations of scripture.
The bible is not a construction manual, it is not a geography textbook nor is it a historic one. Unicorns never existed.
The Skeptics Annotated Bible lists 90 contradictions in Genesis.
Moses wrote Genesis
God dictated the Genesis story to Moses
God cannot make a mistake.
Conclusion: God gave man Free Will and Reason to discover 90 contradictions in God's account of Genesis.
James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "The Skeptics Annotated Bible lists 90 contradictions in Genesis. Moses wrote Genesis
God dictated the Genesis story to Moses God cannot make a mistake. Conclusion: God gave man Free Will and Reason to discover 90 contradictions in God's account of Genesis."
The Real Conclusion: Foolish people believe there are 90 contradictions in the book of Genesis.
Dan
Bible Liberation Movement
, you wrote, "The bible is not a construction manual, it is not a geography textbook nor is it a historic one. Unicorns never existed."
The Bible is a construction manual as well as a geography/history text book.
How do you define "unicorn"? Some translations have it as a "wild bull" or "wild ox", others as a rhinocerous. Whatever it is, it must fit into this context:
_"Canst thou bind the [place name here] with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?" -- Job __39:10__ KJV_
Example:
_"Can you hitch a wild ox to a plow? Will it plow a field for you?" -- Job __39:10__ NLT 1996_
Dan
I did research on the unicorn in the Bible thing previously, apparently it refers to rhinoceroses. Feel free to research it though. Don't take my word for it. Just like everybody else, I don't know squat.
You'ree wrong the Bible does record actual history. There is archeological and scientific evidence for this
If Genesis is not history, then what is history?
The camera crew.......SMH
I would like to read the Power Points more than trying to read his lips to hear what is said 🤷♂️
I understand you were attempting to extend grace, but that statement to the School board about science and religion. That had the ring of someone who's heart is unregenerate. To deny the scripture is to deny the word of God. Thay leads me to question their true faith, i would be looking for fruit as scripture tells me to do. I would be calling them to repentance as the only loving thing to do.
He's arguing for the authenticity of the text as if that's the proof that the actual events took place? That requires quite a large leap of faith.
Fred Hammon that is how historians classify old text as history or myth.
It takes a bigger leap of faith to believe you came from a rock.
@@michaelteel4917 or a 🐵, or sludge.
Or from dust. And for you gals, from a rib.
@@jameswilkinson259 As a gal I'd rather come from a rib than a monkey or a fish!
Tradition credits Moses as the author of Genesis, as well as Exodus, Book of Leviticus, Numbers and most of Book of Deuteronomy, but modern scholars increasingly see them as a product of the 6th and 5th centuries BC. (Wikipedia)
James Ussher, Bishop of Ireland, gives1571 BCE as Moses birth year.
So if Moses wrote "Genesis" then Moses lived before the earth was formed by God 6000 years ago.
So Moses probably lived on another planet until God turned him into Adam.
Which is why Moses/Adam knew things we don't know.
Which is why we need science.
Are you on a crusade against God? I assume you are an atheist, in which case, why should you care what people believe? We are all dead in the end anyway right? It appears to me that you have a deep internal rage against God in your soul.
James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "Tradition credits Moses as the author of Genesis, as well as Exodus, Book of Leviticus, Numbers and most of Book of Deuteronomy, but modern scholars increasingly see them as a product of the 6th and 5th centuries BC."
Modern "scholars" believe they know more about the book than the people the book was written for? That is funny . . .
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James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "James Ussher, Bishop of Ireland, gives1571 BCE as Moses birth year."
I believe Moses was born in 1537 BC.
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James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "So if Moses wrote "Genesis" then Moses lived before the earth was formed by God 6000 years ago."
Either that, or Moses wrote the historical and prophetic account of Genesis while under the inspiration of God. I choose the latter:
_"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." -- 2Pet __1:21__ KJV_
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James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "So Moses probably lived on another planet until God turned him into Adam.
Which is why Moses/Adam knew things we don't know. Which is why we need science."
Don't be silly, James
. We need science to put to rest the culture-destroying, nation-destroying myth of evolutionism
Dan
James, your big problem is you are using Wikipedia as an authoritative reference. You lose all credibility in any argument you make because everyone knows that anyone can write anything they want on a Wikipedia article which is absurd that you would even use something like that as a "Scientific" or "Factual" reference.
I have to be honest that I have read nothing of you but the first I thought of as I was listening of you was that you have missed a big scriptural point. And that is, is we live in a time that we need to make things biblically simple (Nehemiah 8:7,8; Luke 24:27; Acts 8:31,32). I know there are many bible translations, all of which I like. But there is a translation is the easiest to read. And the day you find it and remain in it, you will be able to explain the truth to all.
Because a small cult of pseudo Christians calling themselves Evangelicals say so. That makes it true.
I like the fact he calls the bible factual history. So even after reading about God sanctifyig the 7th day why do all by this group disobey Godand keep Sunday and every other pagan day, God calls an abomination
Pagans didn't invent Sunday. Your belief that the world and it's days are divided into sacred and secular is the pagan, unbiblical view. The Bible teaches that everything is God's, including every day. Jesus rose on Sunday, so we worship on Sunday. It's absolutely absurd to call that pagan.
Even if you could twist the Lord's day (Sunday, day of resurrection) into the "Sabbath" (God-command day of rest) the command is simply to keep it Holy. That means to make it an especially theo-centric exercise. That which rules the day is honesty, service, family (man + wife = kids), worship, rest/recreation, etc. It has nothing to do with the stifling of behaviors into specific categories of do this but don't do that. This is one of the things Jesus reprimanded humanity for - the correction was about perverting to command to such a level that people walking by stalks of wheat and nabbing a few grains to nibble on was some sort of egregious affront to God. That wasn't the point. The Creator combined the re-affirmation of one's worship compass back from anthropocentric accomplishment to being in awe of the Creator along with Good's own design that we people literally need a day to collect our thoughts and relax.
This Jewish Laws were written to the Jews. In the new testament the early church celebrated on Sunday showing that Jesus was Lord over Sabbath. Paul makes it clear we are not under the law. Sabbath is not mentioned after the resurrection.
The Bible was only written for God’s predestinated elect the ones God before knew before the foundation of this earth was created! They were predestinated to be conformed to the image of Christ!
I never met a Calvinist who wasn't elected.
First there was four people - Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel. Cain then kills Abel which leaves three people alive on the earth. Are we correct so far?
After God curses Cain for killing his brother, Cain wanders off to the land of Nod and meets, or has sex with his wife and builds a city. Still ok?
Now remember that God or Moses is the narrator of this story and God cannot make a mistake and Moses is His Prophet so Moses can't make a mistake either.
Now between the lines that say Cain kills Abel, and Cain wanders off to the land of Nod to meet his wife and have some sex, some pages must be missing - or God or Moses had a senior moment. In any case, I know why God/Moses named the city "Nod". Because that is what happens to some people that read this story.
What is truly challenging to the cognitive process is the excuses that Christian apologists offer to keep it sacred, such as "there are things to consider", or "its allegorical in nature",or "the people in that story lived for hundreds of years". However, the truth is much simpler. Genesis is an example of what happens when human primates living in the Bronze Age tried to make sense of a complex process for which they were not prepared. Their only option was to make up a story, and the best story was written as sacred scripture and passed on to children as truth.
Fortunately, in my case, Genesis is not truth.
What is truly challenging to the cognitive process is the excuses that Darwinian apologists offer to keep it sacred, such as "there are things to consider", or "ignore the Precambrian explosion" or "don't look at the fossil record". However, the truth is much simpler. Darwinism is an example of what happens when human primates living in the pre DNA world of science tried to make sense of a complex process for which they were not prepared. Their only option was to make up a story, and the best story was written as sacred scripture, and passed on to children as truth. Only after a lengthy court battle and only then through the government school system since most intelligent people believed it to be bad science.
Moses' walk took men to freedom.
Darwin's theory brought us the Nationalist Socialist (NAZI) Party of Germany that believed Darwin and his model. The result was 13 million dead at the NAZI hands because the others were of "inferior" race and intelligence. Yea! Go Darwin! What a winner.
"Then the days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight hundred years, and he had other sons and daughters" that's your answer.
James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "First there was four people - Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel. Cain then kills Abel which leaves three people alive on the earth. Are we correct so far?"
No. That is uneducated speculation on your part.
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James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "After God curses Cain for killing his brother, Cain wanders off to the land of Nod and meets, or has sex with his wife and builds a city. Still ok?"
Still not okay.
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James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "Now remember that God or Moses is the narrator of this story and God cannot make a mistake and Moses is His Prophet so Moses can't make a mistake either. Now between the lines that say Cain kills Abel, and Cain wanders off to the land of Nod to meet his wife and have some sex, some pages must be missing - or God or Moses had a senior moment. In any case, I know why God/Moses named the city "Nod". Because that is what happens to some people that read this story."
Only those foolish enough to believe they are wiser than God would make such a childish statement.
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James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "What is truly challenging to the cognitive process is the excuses that Christian apologists offer to keep it sacred, such as "there are things to consider", or "its allegorical in nature",or "the people in that story lived for hundreds of years". However, the truth is much simpler. Genesis is an example of what happens when human primates living in the Bronze Age tried to make sense of a complex process for which they were not prepared. Their only option was to make up a story, and the best story was written as sacred scripture and passed on to children as truth."
The book is far too complex for mere men to understand.
===============
James Richard Wiley, you wrote, "Fortunately, in my case, Genesis is not truth."
What is fortunate about it?
Dan
Do some serious theological study. Your whole argument is pathetic and only serves to highlight a gross lack of knowledge! Been refuted by fact a thousand times over.
Wow James there is so much wrong with what you just said but let me let you consider this everything you just said about Genesis is just the kind of objections that latter day rational logical thinkers are saying about Darwinian evolution and current cosmology. It's got a lot of holes in it that cosmologists and evolutionists try to fill with ideas that don't hold water
We don’t
Your missing so much insight , the history of earth and it's events are far bigger then your comprehending ,
its in the bible duh
We must believe or else we are inventing our own text says Christian:
We must believe or else we are inventing our own text says Darwin...
Marcia McGrail, where are you quoting Darwin from here, as it sounds like BS you just made up?
The theory of evolution is based on random generic mutation. Darwin wrote when DNA & RNA was not discovered. It is impossible to have random generic mutation with intelligent code result in a positive outcome. If you are a Software Engineer you know all heck breaks loose with random code.
Darwin did not invent his findings.He was forced to draw conclusions from actual evidence that is readily available for everyone to see.
Gary Walker
, you wrote, "I accept that the Theory of Evolution (and other Scientific Theories) are valid because they can and have been tested and they are based on Science and Technologies that have practical application. "
Evolutionism is a faith-based religious cult.
Dan
James Richard Wiley
, you wrote, "Darwin did not invent his findings.He was forced to draw conclusions from actual evidence that is readily available for everyone to see."
Even a child recognizes the existences of microevolution; but there is no evidence for macroevolution, nor will there ever be.
Dan
Dr. Boyd grossly misrepresents the beliefs of Old Earth creationists, who in fact share his opinion that “Genesis is History”. This is a mediocre presentation, poorly filmed and poorly delivered. “Poetry versus prose” is a false dichotomy; much Biblical prose including Genesis 1 embeds poetry or employs figures of speech. Boyd should know that. He makes a good case that the author(s) of Genesis intended (most of) it as history. This fails to advance his idea that the earth is young, that Genesis actually teaches it is young, or (most importantly) that Genesis is even reliable.
This guy really needs help with PowerPoint styles.
Maybe you'll edit your comment again, but I will reply to what you have written at this point.
You say that "Dr. Boyd grossly misrepresents the beliefs of Old Earth creationists, who in fact share his opinion that "Genesis is History"."
Do "Old Earth creationists" believe that the order of creation in Genesis is historically true? The order being the Earth coming before the sun, moon & stars, and also birds coming before the land animals, as written in Genesis?
If you accept the order of creation in Genesis, you can't also believe in Big Bang cosmic evolution because that has a different order -- stars and the sun coming before the Earth.
If you believe the order of creation in Genesis, you can't also believe in biological evolution either, because that has a different order -- land animals coming before birds.
It isn't just the historical time frame of Genesis that you have to reject to believe in evolution as well, it is the order of historical events in the Creation account.
So, if you think "Dr. Boyd grossly misrepresents the beliefs of Old Earth creationists", go ahead, tell us how "Old Earth creationists" believe "Genesis is History".
@@TheMoravians I reject your interpretation since it is inconsistent with basic scientific facts, rendering the Bible in error. Why do you desire to undermine Biblical authority? And why are you afraid to use your real name? Embarrassed?
@@stevenwilling131 I asked you several questions, but you answered NONE.
My name is Cliff Hutchison. I am not "embarrassed" to ask real questions of someone who posts accusations instead of saying what they themselves believe.
What do "Old Earth creationists" believe is history about Genesis?
I have to be honest that I have read nothing of you but the first I thought of as I was listening of you was that you have missed a big scriptural point. And that is, is we live in a time that we need to make things biblically simple (Nehemiah 8:7,8; Luke 24:27; Acts 8:31,32). I know there are many bible translations, all of which I like. But there is a translation is the easiest to read. And the day you find it and remain in it, you will be able to explain the truth to all.