Does anybody remember "Catwalk?" It was about six attractive recent high school grads in a band. It came on in 1992-93 and Neve Campbell was one of the three female leads. It was a great program, and it lasted the whole season so the show had enough time to build up to a proper ending with the band achieving the success they had been seeking all year. These kids weren't rich like the "Beverly Hills 90210" kids, but if you liked 90210, you'd probably have liked this. (This may have been Canadian.)
Casting is EVERYTHING for a prime-time soap. Not just tossed together names or an array of pretty faces, but actors who have palpable chemistry. The initial cast of "Dallas" was just sheer perfection. No one ever forget a single one of the primary characters from that six-episode intro miniseries, even after they'd departed the series. There was also great chemistry on the so-called "supersoaps" like "Dynasty," "Knots Landing" and "Falcon Crest." These short-lived shows had some beautiful people and some great performers (as well as certain combinations that produced chemistry), but overall tended not to really CLICK the way the more popular shows did. One thing about "The Colbys." Constance and Sable had just rich animosity for one another and their scenes crackled. But once Stanwyck left, the air was sort of let out and it wasn't quite as magnetic. (And while Sable had some primo lines aimed at her sister Frankie, Katharine Ross just wasn't up to it, so that rivalry was never going to get to be epic like, say, Alexis and Krystle.)
Lorimar Television has such great success starting with the Emmy winning Dallas (1978-1991). Followed by both Emmy winners Knots Landing (1979-1993) and Falcon Crest (1981-1990), but the Time Warner based production company has an awful string of unsuccessful flops and they are: Flamingo Road (1980-1982), The Secrets of Midland Heights (1980-1981), King's Crossing (1981-1982), The Yellow Rose (1983-1984), Berenger's (1984-1985) among others, what they've found were a string of successful hits and they were Midnight Caller (1988-1991), Hothouse (1988-2000), Sisters (1991-1996), I'll Fly Away (1991-1998) and Homefront (1991-2001). And after that, both Lorimar and Warner Bros. Television were folded together into one remarkable name: WBTP, a Time Warner Company, starting in mid March 1994 on Sisters, The Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Martin, Roc: the Third and Final Season, TBS' Centennial, Time Trax, Babylon Five, Living Single, Family Matters, Full House, Hangin' with Mr. Cooper, Jenny Jones, Mad TV, The People's Court, Love Connection, Step by Step, This Old House, Creative Living with Sheryl Borden, Here's Lucy, Mayberry RFD, My Favorite Martian, Barney & Friends, The Rosie O'Donnell Show, The Ellen Show, Judge Mathis, Friends, Suddenly Susan, Veronica's Closet, Murphy Brown, USA's My Sister Sam, TV Land's The Yellow Rose, ALF, Everybody Loves Raymond, Sex and the City, Young Sheldon, Mom, Bob Hearts Abishola, The Jennifer Hudson Show and more as well as movie packages such as Elvis, Papillon etc.
You really know your stuff. I couldn't agree with you more. Casting is definitely king in any production and as you stated, many of these failed shows had a habit of just throwing actors together that just didn't work. I tried so hard to like Models Inc which started out strong but after the murder mystery ended, the show just never clicked for me. Titans and Pacific Palisades had casts that just didn't fit together. The always fabulous Joan Collins was very out of place on Palisades.
I loved Central Park West. The opening credits of season 1 were quite innovative for the time and the NY vibe was quite a change. Pacific Palissades was decent but a bit too basic. Models Inc. had potential but even then, the description of the modeling and fashion world looked cheap. Titans could have been great but was too similar to Dynasty and co. and I guess people wanted something else in the 90s. Funny how TV has changed so much…
@@nightowlchad , I was shocked when Central Park West was cancelled. It looked was going be a success, not even Rachel Welch R.I.P. could save the show. I suppose like John forsythe said interview, you can have the stars in the world, but at end of the day it's down to Script.
I LOVED Central Park West!!! Even the retooled version w/ Gerald & Raquel. Different stars and stable of actors than bland west coast, P S I heard Carrie Fairchild was supposed to be spun off or inspired Carrie Bradshaw!? P S…and Paper Dolls, I was 13 in 1984…this show was everything!!
I could never get into Central Park West and never even gave the retooled version a chance. Pacific Palisades had potential but as much as I love Joan Collins, she was out of place on this show. Titans could have worked had the show allowed Victoria Principal to be the villain like it had been marketed. It was also hurt by some bad casting. Yasmine Bleeth was awful in this show and the always wooden Casper Van Dien did not help.
Good stuff! I liked Flamingo Road and the Yellow Rose. Several Flamingo Road stars went on to do other things. I believe once it was canceled, Falcon Crest snatched up David Selby, who really made a big impact on FC. Emerald Point wasn;t too bad either. Many of these shows had very good casts in them but for whatever reasons, just never clicked with the audiences.
I don't know about that. Flamingo Road sure clicked with me. Watched it religiously every Tuesday night. Wouldn't miss it for the world. Constance & Blaine were my favorite
@@johndyslin798 Flamingo Road did rather well initially. Unfortunately what hurt the show was the fact that it was up against Hart to Hart which was already bringing in healthy viewing figures. As such, it proved stiff competition against the primetime soap. Had someone at NBC been clever enough to either change the show's night or time slot, I'm confident it would've made a difference in its success & survival. Still, I'm glad we were given two seasons
I watched most of these, but remember very little. I worked in a department store a few years after Berrenger's aired. I used to hum the theme when I walked the floor.
Those unsuccessful soap opera flops were produced by Lorimar/Warner Bros Television, after the undeniable success of Dallas, Knots Landing & Falcon Crest.
Great compilation but leave the info titles a bit longer in frame, now we have to read very fast or push the pause button all the time to soak up the information provided.
I saw a lot of but not all of these series. Some I never realised had cast from other soaps, like Al Corley. It's good to know he had another soap role to his credit. What's interesting is that a lot of the actors from the failed soaps went on to one of the more succesful soaps. David Selby from Flamingo Road to Falcon Crest. Deborah Shelton from The Yellow Rose to Dallas. Lorenzo Lamas from Secrets of Midland Heights to Falcon Crest. Nicollette Sheridan from Paper Dolls to Knots Landing..
🎉 Retro TV series greetings from coastal Mississippi and Twelve Oaks plantation. I love ❤ daytime and nite time dramas. I actually watched all these shows. 😂 You did an excellent job putting this together 🎉
Emerald Point and Four Corners are the only ones on here I don't think I ever remember hearing about or seeing, while Pacific Palisades, Central Park West, Models Inc., Titans, as well as The Monroes, Savannah, Malibu Shores, I have seen along with Flamingo Road, Berrengers, and Paper Dolls and I have heard of The Yellow Rose, Bare Essence and 2000 Malibu Road along with 21st century failed Primetime soaps like Pasadena, North Shore, Point Pleasant and General Hospital: Night Shift. To name a few more.
"The Yellow Rose" has becoming a cult following on NBC during the 1983-1984 season as a TV mini-series for Lorimar/Warner Bros.Television Distribution. But TV Land has found a brand new home for a weekly TV series. And finally, they did it for the first time. It ran for a total of 16 successful seasons from September 22, 1984 until May 26, 2000. It was a Lakeside production and distributed by Warner Bros. Television under AOL Time Warner.
Loved them all but The Colby’s were great! As were, Secrets of Midland Heights, Kings Crossing, The Monroe’s, A Year in the Life, Sisters, The Hamptons, For Love and Honor, Nightingales and many, many others!
@@markelijio6012 You’re correct in that it lasted 6 years, but it never placed above 50th for the year in its entire run. Hardly NBC’s biggest show. I liked it though. My favorite prime time soap of all was Falcon Crest (1981-6 or so). It’s last 2 seasons, however, were unwatchable, but that pretty much happened to all the long running 80s soaps, with Knots probably faring the best on that count.
I actually liked Central Park West, Models Inc, and Pacific Palisades. I wish some had lasted longer but many of the actors went on to others things that they did well in so, perhaps it all worked out.
Ah yes Return to Eden was great but I guess it was more a miniseries that was extended to a longer series of just 1 season. I guess they could have continued but production was quite expensive. I loved Peta Topano and her hats 😀
There was a show called wind on water starring Bo Derek and Lee Horsley about two families who own ranches in Hawaii. When one falls on hard times the children decide to make money competing in extreme water sports.
I loved 2000 Malibu Road and hated that it was only a summer series. They had six scripts ready to wrap everything up, but it was considered too expensive to produce, mainly because of its cast and it's expensive locations. I remember Jennifer Beals saying her storyline would have been about her character getting revenge on the man who assaulted her, played by Michael T. Weiss from the show The Pretender.
I remember watching "Emerald Point NAS" and really liking it. From what I recall, it wasn't a hit but wasn't a total flop. Wikipedia shows it ranked 65th out of 101 shows that season.
@@special7217 While Robert Vaughn got some great success when he joined the cast in the fifth and final season of the Emmy nominated hit television series "The A-Team" on NBC. And four years later, Sela Ward of the Walt Disney Company has joined the stunning cast on NBC's Emmy winning television series from the Emmy winning creators of "An Early Frost" (1985) comes "Sisters" (1991-1996). It ran for six successful seasons. Produced by Cowlip Productions in association with Lorimar Television (1991-1993) and Warner Bros. Television (1993-1996). Distributed by Warner Bros. Domestic Pay-TV, Cable & Network Features (9/21/1984-present), a Time Warner Entertainment Company. Now Aired on Disney Junior since mid-May 1997.
@@doriangz I agree, that was the reason, aside from the award it got and big names like Stanwyck and Heston. And well, it has an amazing cult following. You can´t mess with The Colbys´ fans! Toni
I'm currently watching The Yellow Rose on DVD. I didn't watch it back in the 80s but I knew of it. The cast with Cybil Shepperd, Sam Elliott, David Soul, and more had great chemistry. I quite liked the guy playing David Souls son, but I don't know if I've ever seen him in anything beyond the show. The Yellow Rose had promise, but half way through the season it changed from being serialised to self contained episodes. and they dropped a lot of characters which is never good.
Central Park West did NOT run for 2 seasons. It ran for one season (1995-1996). Mid-season the show was pulled for re-tooling. It returned LATER the same season retitled CPW with some cast changes. There were some unaired episodes that bridged the gap between the original and the re-tooled version that didn't air
Technically it's two seasons because the show was re-vamp and given a makeover it was separated into two separate seasonal years and category thus running through one year to the next from 95-96.
@@jonathanlukasovich8589 No it was only ONE season. There were two or so episodes that bridged the gap between the first half of the season and the second but CBS aired not to show them. They pulled the show early in the season, then returned it later in the SAME season without showing the missing episodes
I actually liked CPW once RAQUEL WELCH came on , they just never found their audience! MODELS INC. was good ;but once EMMA SAMMS joined as GRAYSON it was on its way to becoming a great soap!! FOX just tossed the show too quick !
Australian actress Kylie Travis played a "bitch" in two of these shows, "Models, Inc." and "Central Park West." While the shows were subpar, Travis was pretty good. She showed a LOT of potential to be a soapy villainess. I wonder why Travis seemed to just vanish after these shows?
She was Randy's niece in law. But sadly, she retired from acting and lived in Westchester County, New York with Louis Cappelli with their children since September 1996.
I liked Titans, but the writing left a lot to be desired. There was a lot of info-dumping. I am craving a good prime time soap. I miss weekly schemes and catfights. I think only Dynasty did catfights though.
Out of these 12, I’ve only heard of 2, but didn’t watch either one; Flamingo Road & Bare Essence. There were SO many Prime Time Soaps back then. My all-time favorite was Knots Landing. I loved to hate Abby. And although I tried my best, I could never get my eye shadow to look even close to Donna Mills’ eye shadow. It was a new look at the time and I thought she was so beautiful - she still is.
Knots Landing was the number one primetime soap opera program in America. A spin-off of Dallas. It lasted for a total of 14 successful seasons from 1979 to 1993 for Roundelay-MF, Lorimar and Warner Bros Television under Time Warner. Also Flamingo Road, Bare Essence, Berrenger's The Secrets of Midland Heights, Kings Crossing, the ABC television mini-series Going Places, the NBC television mini-series Reasonable Doubts and the FOX television mini-series Skin were Lorimar/Warner Bros' unsuccessful flops under Time Warner.
...yes, by Robert Wilder, who also was the author of the book that became the great 1956 Douglas Sirk movie, "Written On The Wind" starring Rock Hudson, Lauren Bacall, Robert Stack & Dorothy Malone, who won a Best Supporting Actress Oscar for her role as Marilee Hadley.
@@markelijio6012 actually lorimar brought us Dallas and Knots Landing before Falcon Crest. And Dallas was what put lorimar on the map and led to the rise of the prime time soap
It's amazing how many of these stars had or did appear in Star Trek. Obviously Joan Collins in the 60s, but Terry Farrell, Robert Beltran and Jonathan Frakes.
OMG I had no idea anything from "Four Corners" ever actually aired. I was an extra on what I believe was the pilot. I stood right behind Ann-Margret! I'd love to find out where to see these episode so I can try to find myself in the scene. :)
After failing a string of unsuccessful soap opera shows for the networks, Lorimar Television was hitting very big after the success of both Dallas (1978-1991) and Knots Landing (1979-1993) as well as Falcon Crest (1981-1990), what they got a great pair of soap opera shows: The Yellow Rose (1983-2000), Rituals (1984-1995), Hothouse (1988-2000), Sisters (1991-1996), Homefront (1991-1997) and I'll Fly Away (1991-1998). Six successful soap opera shows. One production company: Lorimar Television. One parent company: Time Warner. On March 1994, both Lorimar & Warner Bros Television were folded together into one great name since September 22, 1989 under the Time Warner name, banner and byline: Warner Bros Television and its sister studio, HBO Independent Productions.
It's too bad Bare Essence didn't take off. In those days they'd have a movie of the week (pilot) to introduce a series and I saw it and it looked pretty good.
Sad because I actually loved 2000 Malibu Rd., starring Lisa, Hartman, Black and Drew Barrymore and Aaron spelling chose Melrose Place over 2000 mile Road I thought it was way better than Merrill’s place, but they said it was too expensive to continue
Flamingo Road was very good, they really spiced up Morgan Fairchild's character from the movie- if you've never seen the movie with Joan Crawford it is excellent.
I hate that Models Inc ended with so many questions unanswered. What happened to Carrie Ann Moss's character being sold into sex slavery? Who got shot at the wedding?
The filmed 2 endings and, in one of them, it was Emma Samms´ character who died. I´m sure I watched it somewhere, probably on YT. Thanks for your feedback! Toni from supersoaps.org
Actually not, I think they did "make it" because it had a few awards, 2 seasons with over 50 episodes, 2 Oscar winners in its cast and a killer theme by Bill Conti. Just my opinion. Thanks for your feedback! Toni from supersoaps.org
This a a great video. Some of these looked awful. I think the only one I partially watched was Models inc and I remember my sister watched the Bare Essence movie, mainly because of Genie Francis, who was in General Hospital.
Yeah, I think in the pilot though Casper Van Dien's character and Yasmine Bleeth's character met in Hawaii and had an affair. The pilot ended with her marrying his father but telling him she was pregnant with his child
There is a 1962 movie called "Diamond Head" starring Charlton Heston, Yvette Mimieux, George Chakiras, and James Darren that I always thought would have had potential as a nighttime Soap- about a rich agricultural dynasty set in the lush landscape of Hawaii..the movie was made shortly after the Islands achieved Statehood in 1959.
Wow! Diamond Head was also marked Guy Green's first American big budget picture as helmer. As well as Patricia Norris' first credit as a costume designer for Columbia Pictures. The 1962 romantic saga that would have had potential as two of TV's most successful sitcoms: Soap (1977-1981) and its spin-off, Benson (1979-1986). Both produced by Witt-Thomas-Harris and distributed by Sony Pictures Television through Televentures.
Titans cast looks all right. But it being by the showrunner who ran Melrose Place into the ground (terrible last 2 seasons), isn't a good sign. 2 more that could be added are Savannah and The Heights.
Berrenger’s ended on a cliffhanger with ben murphy and laura trapped in a firecsfter jack scalia revealed his reason forvhis vendetta against berrengers. We never got to see the truth which cesar romero said in onebof the episodes
Looking at these failures and the actors in them I am surprised Susan Lucci never did one of these soaps. Nothing against Genie Francis, Finola Hughes, Morgan Fairchild, et al she made quite a statement day or night. She was on Dynasty for a bit but I never understood why ABC didn't use her in Dynasty or something even just to clash with Joan Collins' character.
While many legendary stars such as Susan Lucci who got great success in daytime television history: All My Children and Dallas, she's one of the world's finest stars who can do it better than anyone else. An Emmy winner and an longtime contract player at Disney since 1968, Susan Lucci has great confidence and support to work with a few others at the studio.
Technically, Central Part West aka CPW was one season which was in Darren Star's contract. The mid season retool actually produced better ratings as it catered more to CBS's older demographic at the time and it was rare to have original programming during the summer when everything else is in reruns. I think the big mistake of the show was Lauren Hutton. Even in the trailers leading up to the premiere - and there were a lot - showed her bad acting and made the show look not that serious. The rest of the cast was great (especially Madchen Amick) but Tom Verica was miscast as the sexy male lead - he wasn't sexy. I think casting saw him as a Bruce Willis type and ran with it. Also, when they rebooted the show, CBS didn't air a few of the previous episodes (I think two or three) and confused the audience with the story lines. They tried to fix it with a long 'previously on...' clip, but it didn't work - there were still major plot holes. They were later added in syndication. You can find the full series on TH-cam - but it's a bit grainy as it looks like it's a VHS copy. The show never saw a DVD or VHS release. It's funny to see Morgan Fairchild in two prime time soap failures. She also tanked a daytime soap on ABC called The City. Audiences never really liked her and I don't know how she passed testing.
I just decided that winning a Golden Globe and having a strong mature cast was enough reason to consider they did "make it". Not that I liked it personally. Thanks for your feedback and happy new year!. Toni supersoaps.org.
Flamingo Road was interesting -- may have done better on CBS than on NBC -- where hits were rare at that time. The Colbys may have been a case of just too much Dynasty and its excesses.
I agree. NBC though, had a horrible track record with the late night serial genera. They had good stuff to work with(Flamingo, Yellow Rose,), but for whatever reason, never could have luck, like CBS and ABC.
@@silentrage8961"The Yellow Rose" has done so well as an epic television mini-series on NBC in the 1983-1984 season which is a Wilder/Zinberg production in association with Lorimar Television. Distributed by Warner Bros. Television Distribution. A year later, TV Land has found a brand new home for a weekly television series: "The Yellow Rose." Finally it did. It worked for the first time. Ran for a total of sixteen successful seasons from September 22, 1984 until May 26, 2000. Produced by Lakeside Productions in association with Warner Bros. Television. Distributed by Warner Bros. Domestic Television Distribution, an AOL Time Warner Company. Enjoy!
For Aaron Spelling, he didn't have another daytime program in his hands after the success of Dynasty, Beverly Hills 90210 and Melrose Place. As a executive producer along with his longtime partner E.Duke Vincent, they found the Emmy winning Sunset Beach on NBC Daytime which was very successful for four seasons (1997-2000) with a total of 755 episodes.
@@supersoaps no problem thanks for responding and making adjustments thanks for the link website looks super cool and will be digesting it. Such rich material
But Lorimar Television has got more hits like "Falcon Crest" (1981-1990, CBS), "The Yellow Rose: the Mini-Series" (1983, NBC), "Rituals" (1984-1995, Syndicated) and "Sisters" (1991-1996, NBC) than misses.
Anthony, The Colbys had 2 seasons and won 1 Golden Globe, as well as Oscar-winning stars. That doesn´t make it a great soap to me, but there were others more appropriate for this video. TC appears in other videos, check out my playlists. Thanks for your feedback. Toni www.supersoaps.org
Like I said again, the legendary Emmy winner Aaron Spelling had quite a few flops: Glitter, The Colbys, Central Park West, Savannah among others. But after the success of Dynasty, he hit big once again as one of the executive producers on a string of hits: Hotel, Matt Houston, Beverly Hills 90210, Melrose Place, Moesha, 7th Heaven, Sunset Beach, Charmed and The Parkers under his Spelling/Big Ticket Television venture under the Paramount/Viacom banner. For most fans, there won't be a hit show without Aaron Spelling's name on it.
Good list. Savannah is missing though. It was a fantastic show and Jamie Luner as Peyton was phenomenal!
Does anybody remember "Catwalk?" It was about six attractive recent high school grads in a band. It came on in 1992-93 and Neve Campbell was one of the three female leads. It was a great program, and it lasted the whole season so the show had enough time to build up to a proper ending with the band achieving the success they had been seeking all year. These kids weren't rich like the "Beverly Hills 90210" kids, but if you liked 90210, you'd probably have liked this. (This may have been Canadian.)
Casting is EVERYTHING for a prime-time soap. Not just tossed together names or an array of pretty faces, but actors who have palpable chemistry. The initial cast of "Dallas" was just sheer perfection. No one ever forget a single one of the primary characters from that six-episode intro miniseries, even after they'd departed the series. There was also great chemistry on the so-called "supersoaps" like "Dynasty," "Knots Landing" and "Falcon Crest." These short-lived shows had some beautiful people and some great performers (as well as certain combinations that produced chemistry), but overall tended not to really CLICK the way the more popular shows did. One thing about "The Colbys." Constance and Sable had just rich animosity for one another and their scenes crackled. But once Stanwyck left, the air was sort of let out and it wasn't quite as magnetic. (And while Sable had some primo lines aimed at her sister Frankie, Katharine Ross just wasn't up to it, so that rivalry was never going to get to be epic like, say, Alexis and Krystle.)
Lorimar Television has such great success starting with the Emmy winning Dallas (1978-1991). Followed by both Emmy winners
Knots Landing (1979-1993) and Falcon Crest (1981-1990), but the Time Warner based production company has an awful string of
unsuccessful flops and they are: Flamingo Road (1980-1982), The Secrets of Midland Heights (1980-1981), King's Crossing (1981-1982),
The Yellow Rose (1983-1984), Berenger's (1984-1985) among others, what they've found were a string of successful hits and they were
Midnight Caller (1988-1991), Hothouse (1988-2000), Sisters (1991-1996), I'll Fly Away (1991-1998) and Homefront (1991-2001). And
after that, both Lorimar and Warner Bros. Television were folded together into one remarkable name: WBTP, a Time Warner Company,
starting in mid March 1994 on Sisters, The Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Martin, Roc: the Third and Final Season, TBS' Centennial, Time Trax,
Babylon Five, Living Single, Family Matters, Full House, Hangin' with Mr. Cooper, Jenny Jones, Mad TV, The People's Court,
Love Connection, Step by Step, This Old House, Creative Living with Sheryl Borden, Here's Lucy, Mayberry RFD, My Favorite Martian,
Barney & Friends, The Rosie O'Donnell Show, The Ellen Show, Judge Mathis, Friends, Suddenly Susan, Veronica's Closet,
Murphy Brown, USA's My Sister Sam, TV Land's The Yellow Rose, ALF, Everybody Loves Raymond, Sex and the City, Young Sheldon,
Mom, Bob Hearts Abishola, The Jennifer Hudson Show and more as well as movie packages such as Elvis, Papillon etc.
You really know your stuff. I couldn't agree with you more. Casting is definitely king in any production and as you stated, many of these failed shows had a habit of just throwing actors together that just didn't work. I tried so hard to like Models Inc which started out strong but after the murder mystery ended, the show just never clicked for me. Titans and Pacific Palisades had casts that just didn't fit together. The always fabulous Joan Collins was very out of place on Palisades.
Having just read Joan's Unapologetic Diaries I can verify she couldn't wait for Pacific Palisades to get axed.
I loved Central Park West. The opening credits of season 1 were quite innovative for the time and the NY vibe was quite a change. Pacific Palissades was decent but a bit too basic. Models Inc. had potential but even then, the description of the modeling and fashion world looked cheap. Titans could have been great but was too similar to Dynasty and co. and I guess people wanted something else in the 90s. Funny how TV has changed so much…
I worked on Central Park West saying it should be called CPW needs CPR. I liked Lauren Hutton as she was the nicest
Central park west was like a melrose place in the eastern side.
@@nightowlchad , I was shocked when Central Park West was cancelled. It looked was going be a success, not even Rachel Welch R.I.P. could save the show. I suppose like John forsythe said interview, you can have the stars in the world, but at end of the day it's down to Script.
I LOVED Central Park West!!! Even the retooled version w/ Gerald & Raquel. Different stars and stable of actors than bland west coast, P S I heard Carrie Fairchild was supposed to be spun off or inspired Carrie Bradshaw!? P S…and Paper Dolls, I was 13 in 1984…this show was everything!!
I could never get into Central Park West and never even gave the retooled version a chance. Pacific Palisades had potential but as much as I love Joan Collins, she was out of place on this show. Titans could have worked had the show allowed Victoria Principal to be the villain like it had been marketed. It was also hurt by some bad casting. Yasmine Bleeth was awful in this show and the always wooden Casper Van Dien did not help.
Good stuff. Loved Emerald and Flamingo.
I loved Aaron Spelling's Savannah that was in air in the late 90's.
Agreed! Savannah was an amazing show. Jamie Luner killed the role as Peyton. She was a master schemer and manipulator.
Loved season one of Savannah-it was brilliant. Season two was good as well but season one was amazing.
SAVANNAH was FANTASTIC!
Jamie LUNAR As PEYTON RICHARDS was PERFECTION!!!
@@mestre8280. George Eads was HOT!!
Perry King was such a handsome guy.
Good stuff! I liked Flamingo Road and the Yellow Rose. Several Flamingo Road stars went on to do other things. I believe once it was canceled, Falcon Crest snatched up David Selby, who really made a big impact on FC. Emerald Point wasn;t too bad either. Many of these shows had very good casts in them but for whatever reasons, just never clicked with the audiences.
I don't know about that. Flamingo Road sure clicked with me. Watched it religiously every Tuesday night. Wouldn't miss it for the world. Constance & Blaine were my favorite
@@EyesofLauraMars but it only lasted two seasons. Canceled due to lackluster ratings
@@johndyslin798 Flamingo Road did rather well initially. Unfortunately what hurt the show was the fact that it was up against Hart to Hart which was already bringing in healthy viewing figures. As such, it proved stiff competition against the primetime soap. Had someone at NBC been clever enough to either change the show's night or time slot, I'm confident it would've made a difference in its success & survival. Still, I'm glad we were given two seasons
David Selby got great success to join an all-star cast of CBS' long-running "Falcon Crest," a year later.
I loved Flamingo Road too, David Selby and Morgan Fairchild.
I watched most of these, but remember very little. I worked in a department store a few years after Berrenger's aired. I used to hum the theme when I walked the floor.
I found Paper Dolls on TH-cam a few months back, absolutely loved it!! The cliffhanger on the very last episode was really good!
Emerald Point N.A.S. had the best cliffhanger of all these failed soaps. Remember the knife in the middle of a wedding dress and the wearer gone
Singer John Waite "Missing You" hade a small role in one of these. I believe it was "Paper Dolls". He told me he regretted being in it. LOL
Loved Flamingo Road, Bare Essence, Pape Dolls, and Berenger's and wished they had ran longer
Those unsuccessful soap opera flops were produced by Lorimar/Warner Bros Television, after the undeniable success of Dallas,
Knots Landing & Falcon Crest.
Paper Dolls and Models Inc are two I’d loved to have lasted. Paper Dolls especially - it was so much fun.
Great compilation but leave the info titles a bit longer in frame, now we have to read very fast or push the pause button all the time to soak up the information provided.
I saw a lot of but not all of these series. Some I never realised had cast from other soaps, like Al Corley. It's good to know he had another soap role to his credit. What's interesting is that a lot of the actors from the failed soaps went on to one of the more succesful soaps. David Selby from Flamingo Road to Falcon Crest. Deborah Shelton from The Yellow Rose to Dallas. Lorenzo Lamas from Secrets of Midland Heights to Falcon Crest. Nicollette Sheridan from Paper Dolls to Knots Landing..
🎉 Retro TV series greetings from coastal Mississippi and Twelve Oaks plantation. I love ❤ daytime and nite time dramas. I actually watched all these shows. 😂 You did an excellent job putting this together 🎉
Emerald Point and Four Corners are the only ones on here I don't think I ever remember hearing about or seeing, while Pacific Palisades, Central Park West, Models Inc., Titans, as well as The Monroes, Savannah, Malibu Shores, I have seen along with Flamingo Road, Berrengers, and Paper Dolls and I have heard of The Yellow Rose, Bare Essence and 2000 Malibu Road along with 21st century failed Primetime soaps like Pasadena, North Shore, Point Pleasant and General Hospital: Night Shift. To name a few more.
"The Yellow Rose" has becoming a cult following on NBC during the 1983-1984 season as a TV mini-series for Lorimar/Warner Bros.Television Distribution. But TV Land has found a brand
new home for a weekly TV series. And finally, they did it for the first time. It ran for a total of 16 successful seasons from
September 22, 1984 until May 26, 2000. It was a Lakeside production and distributed by Warner Bros. Television under AOL Time Warner.
Berrenger’s!!!! You guys get major props for remembering this one!
Loved them all but The Colby’s were great! As were, Secrets of Midland Heights, Kings Crossing, The Monroe’s, A Year in the Life, Sisters, The Hamptons, For Love and Honor, Nightingales and many, many others!
"Sisters" was NBC's biggest hit show. It lasted for 6 successful seasons.
@@markelijio6012. I was gonna say: Sisters was definitely a hit show.
Never heard of The Yellow Rose before.
@@markelijio6012 You’re correct in that it lasted 6 years, but it never placed above 50th for the year in its entire run. Hardly NBC’s biggest show. I liked it though. My favorite prime time soap of all was Falcon Crest (1981-6 or so). It’s last 2 seasons, however, were unwatchable, but that pretty much happened to all the long running 80s soaps, with Knots probably faring the best on that count.
@@paulvoorhies8821 Thanks, Paul.
Did ya'll know that Jessica Walter was actually considered for the role Alexis on Dynasty?? I know, right??
Yes, as were Elizabeth Taylor and Sophia Loren.
Good list. I loved Central Park West, Flamingo Road and Models Inc.
I actually liked Central Park West, Models Inc, and Pacific Palisades. I wish some had lasted longer but many of the actors went on to others things that they did well in so, perhaps it all worked out.
SAVANNAH was another. And in Australia there was RETURN TO EDEN
Ah yes Return to Eden was great but I guess it was more a miniseries that was extended to a longer series of just 1 season. I guess they could have continued but production was quite expensive. I loved Peta Topano and her hats 😀
Yeah Savannah is the big missing one here. Peyton is still one of my favorite soap villainess of all times!
@@Inyourlap She was trying to be Australia's Alexis, but I think Rowena Wallace as "Pat the rat" was the ultimate 1980s Australian soap b"%h!
@@doriangz I loved Peyton and Travis/Nick. The series had great potential.
Models Inc was the trashiest primetime soap ever. I think it was ahead of its time because it would absolutly kill it nowadays
There was a show called wind on water starring Bo Derek and Lee Horsley about two families who own ranches in Hawaii. When one falls on hard times the children decide to make money competing in extreme water sports.
I remember watching many of these and then wondering what happened to them. I love a GOOD soap. Still waiting for Knots on DVD.
They really should've shot some of these primetime soaps on videotape if their budgets were stretched to the limits like other daytime soaps.
10:40 😲 The Colbys came _after_ Emerald Point!
Correct!!
I loved 2000 Malibu Road and hated that it was only a summer series. They had six scripts ready to wrap everything up, but it was considered too expensive to produce, mainly because of its cast and it's expensive locations. I remember Jennifer Beals saying her storyline would have been about her character getting revenge on the man who assaulted her, played by Michael T. Weiss from the show The Pretender.
I did enjoy Lisa Hartman in 2000 Malibu Road. But, she did play on Knot's Landing.
@@special7217 "Knots Landing" was the only current hit which Lisa Hartman Black remembers for her role as Ciji from 1982 to 1986.
This should have included the prime time version of Dark Shadows which only ran for 12 episodes.
Love that version
I remember watching "Emerald Point NAS" and really liking it. From what I recall, it wasn't a hit but wasn't a total flop. Wikipedia shows it ranked 65th out of 101 shows that season.
It wasn't a hit nor flop, it was a cult TV miniseries
for ABC Circle Films with an excellent cast from
1983 to 1984 on CBS.
I liked it too. And the cliffhanger when the generals sister (Jill st John???) was revealed to be a Russian spy.
I liked it too, Selia Ward, and Robert Vaugn.
@@special7217 While Robert Vaughn got some great success when he joined the cast in the fifth and final season of the Emmy nominated hit television series "The A-Team" on NBC.
And four years later, Sela Ward of the Walt Disney Company has joined the stunning cast on NBC's Emmy winning television series
from the Emmy winning creators of "An Early Frost" (1985) comes "Sisters" (1991-1996). It ran for six successful seasons.
Produced by Cowlip Productions in association with Lorimar Television (1991-1993) and Warner Bros. Television (1993-1996).
Distributed by Warner Bros. Domestic Pay-TV, Cable & Network Features (9/21/1984-present), a Time Warner Entertainment
Company. Now Aired on Disney Junior since mid-May 1997.
i surprised the colbys did not make the list
It ran for 49 episodes which probably puts it a cut above "short-lived" even if it is mostly considered a failure.
The Colbys was great.
@@doriangz I agree, that was the reason, aside from the award it got and big names like Stanwyck and Heston. And well, it has an amazing cult following. You can´t mess with The Colbys´ fans! Toni
Colbys merged back into Dynasty,
@@supersoapsYes!! Colbys had it’s issues, but there was something about that was really appealing. Sable, of course, was the main attraction.
Love the Paper Dolls theme...it was similar to Glitter which lasted one season....
I miss tv like this.
I'm currently watching The Yellow Rose on DVD. I didn't watch it back in the 80s but I knew of it. The cast with Cybil Shepperd, Sam Elliott, David Soul, and more had great chemistry. I quite liked the guy playing David Souls son, but I don't know if I've ever seen him in anything beyond the show. The Yellow Rose had promise, but half way through the season it changed from being serialised to self contained episodes. and they dropped a lot of characters which is never good.
I kind of remember some of these but I LOVED Titans i still grieve that that show didnt survive Lol
A YEAR IN THE LIFE was fantastic. THE COLBYS had potential. ABC should have just moved it to another night.
Central Park West did NOT run for 2 seasons. It ran for one season (1995-1996). Mid-season the show was pulled for re-tooling. It returned LATER the same season retitled CPW with some cast changes. There were some unaired episodes that bridged the gap between the original and the re-tooled version that didn't air
Technically it's two seasons because the show was re-vamp and given a makeover it was separated into two separate seasonal years and category thus running through one year to the next from 95-96.
@@jonathanlukasovich8589 No it was only ONE season. There were two or so episodes that bridged the gap between the first half of the season and the second but CBS aired not to show them. They pulled the show early in the season, then returned it later in the SAME season without showing the missing episodes
Loved Paper Dolls! So much potential!!
Hey I loved Angel Falls!
I actually liked CPW once RAQUEL WELCH came on , they just never found their audience!
MODELS INC. was good ;but once EMMA SAMMS joined as GRAYSON it was on its way to becoming a great soap!!
FOX just tossed the show too quick !
Australian actress Kylie Travis played a "bitch" in two of these shows, "Models, Inc." and "Central Park West." While the shows were subpar, Travis was pretty good. She showed a LOT of potential to be a soapy villainess. I wonder why Travis seemed to just vanish after these shows?
She was Randy's niece in law. But sadly, she retired from acting and lived in Westchester County, New York with Louis Cappelli
with their children since September 1996.
I liked Titans, but the writing left a lot to be desired. There was a lot of info-dumping. I am craving a good prime time soap. I miss weekly schemes and catfights. I think only Dynasty did catfights though.
Out of these 12, I’ve only heard of 2, but didn’t watch either one;
Flamingo Road & Bare Essence.
There were SO many Prime Time Soaps back then. My all-time favorite was Knots Landing. I loved to hate Abby. And although I tried my best, I could never get my eye shadow to look even close to Donna Mills’ eye shadow. It was a new look at the time and I thought she was so beautiful - she still is.
Knots Landing was the number one primetime soap opera program in America. A spin-off of Dallas. It lasted for a total of 14 successful
seasons from 1979 to 1993 for Roundelay-MF, Lorimar and Warner Bros Television under Time Warner. Also Flamingo Road, Bare Essence,
Berrenger's The Secrets of Midland Heights, Kings Crossing, the ABC television mini-series Going Places, the NBC television mini-series Reasonable Doubts and the FOX television mini-series Skin were
Lorimar/Warner Bros' unsuccessful flops under Time Warner.
Flamingo Road was actually a book before it was filmed
...yes, by Robert Wilder, who also was the author of the book that became the great 1956 Douglas Sirk movie, "Written On The Wind" starring Rock Hudson, Lauren Bacall, Robert Stack & Dorothy Malone, who won a Best Supporting Actress Oscar for her role as Marilee Hadley.
Lorimar didn't hit big until "Falcon Crest" on CBS and "Sisters" on NBC - both of TV's long running hits.
@@markelijio6012 actually lorimar brought us Dallas and Knots Landing before Falcon Crest. And Dallas was what put lorimar on the map and led to the rise of the prime time soap
It's amazing how many of these stars had or did appear in Star Trek. Obviously Joan Collins in the 60s, but Terry Farrell, Robert Beltran and Jonathan Frakes.
Joan Collins played in one of the best Star Trek episodes ever. City on the Edge of Forever.
@@special7217 Many people cite that as the best one ever. I absolutely agree
OMG I had no idea anything from "Four Corners" ever actually aired. I was an extra on what I believe was the pilot. I stood right behind Ann-Margret! I'd love to find out where to see these episode so I can try to find myself in the scene. :)
Any show having someone falling on a coffin and having it spill open can't be all bad?
I love the Paper Dolls theme.
Boy in my 50 wish i could still c some bet i would love them more now😎😍😘
You forgot KING'S CROSSING and
SECRETS OF MIDLAND HEIGHTS.
PAPER DOLLS was the best and
should have gotten more seasons.
COBRA KAI is a karate soap opera.
After failing a string of unsuccessful soap opera shows for the networks, Lorimar Television was hitting very big after the success of both
Dallas (1978-1991) and Knots Landing (1979-1993) as well as Falcon Crest (1981-1990), what they got a great pair of soap opera shows:
The Yellow Rose (1983-2000), Rituals (1984-1995), Hothouse (1988-2000), Sisters (1991-1996), Homefront (1991-1997)
and I'll Fly Away (1991-1998). Six successful soap opera shows. One production company: Lorimar Television. One parent company:
Time Warner. On March 1994, both Lorimar & Warner Bros Television were folded together into one great name since September 22, 1989
under the Time Warner name, banner and byline: Warner Bros Television and its sister studio, HBO Independent Productions.
It's too bad Bare Essence didn't take off. In those days they'd have a movie of the week (pilot) to introduce a series and I saw it and it looked pretty good.
Some of these shows would have been great if they had found their audience!
Flamingo Road and Titans are the only ones I remember.
What the world would have been had these shows been successful
Sad because I actually loved 2000 Malibu Rd., starring Lisa, Hartman, Black and Drew Barrymore and Aaron spelling chose Melrose Place over 2000 mile Road
I thought it was way better than Merrill’s place, but they said it was too expensive to continue
Flamingo Road was very good, they really spiced up Morgan Fairchild's character from the movie- if you've never seen the movie with Joan Crawford it is excellent.
I confess to loving "Central Park West"!!
I hate that Models Inc ended with so many questions unanswered. What happened to Carrie Ann Moss's character being sold into sex slavery? Who got shot at the wedding?
The filmed 2 endings and, in one of them, it was Emma Samms´ character who died. I´m sure I watched it somewhere, probably on YT. Thanks for your feedback! Toni from supersoaps.org
I guess the world wasn’t ready for Mallory Archer back then
Lol, I finally got it! I guess they weren´t ready for her!! 😝 Toni
Look! (One of the puppies) thinks he's one of the Models Inc! Haha!
Where’s savannah?
Gone!
Was that the Raymond Bailey a/k/a Mr. Drysdale from "The Beverly Hillbillies" ?
He died in 1980. Yes.
You forgot "The Colbys."
Actually not, I think they did "make it" because it had a few awards, 2 seasons with over 50 episodes, 2 Oscar winners in its cast and a killer theme by Bill Conti. Just my opinion. Thanks for your feedback! Toni from supersoaps.org
What about Savannah?
This a a great video. Some of these looked awful. I think the only one I partially watched was Models inc and I remember my sister watched the Bare Essence movie, mainly because of Genie Francis, who was in General Hospital.
Edit on Titans, the Williams’s lived in LA not Hawaii. Loved CPW, Models Inc and yes the missing Savannah!
Yeah, I think in the pilot though Casper Van Dien's character and Yasmine Bleeth's character met in Hawaii and had an affair. The pilot ended with her marrying his father but telling him she was pregnant with his child
There is a 1962 movie called "Diamond Head" starring Charlton Heston, Yvette Mimieux, George Chakiras, and James Darren that I always thought would have had potential as a nighttime Soap- about a rich agricultural dynasty set in the lush landscape of Hawaii..the movie was made shortly after the Islands achieved Statehood in 1959.
Wow! Diamond Head was also marked Guy Green's first American big budget picture as helmer. As well as Patricia Norris' first credit as a costume designer for Columbia Pictures. The 1962 romantic saga that would have had potential as two of TV's most successful sitcoms: Soap (1977-1981) and its spin-off, Benson (1979-1986). Both produced by Witt-Thomas-Harris and distributed
by Sony Pictures Television through Televentures.
Malibu Shores.
Titans cast looks all right. But it being by the showrunner who ran Melrose Place into the ground (terrible last 2 seasons), isn't a good sign. 2 more that could be added are Savannah and The Heights.
Berrenger’s ended on a cliffhanger with ben murphy and laura trapped in a firecsfter jack scalia revealed his reason forvhis vendetta against berrengers. We never got to see the truth which cesar romero said in onebof the episodes
Looking at these failures and the actors in them I am surprised Susan Lucci never did one of these soaps. Nothing against Genie Francis, Finola Hughes, Morgan Fairchild, et al she made quite a statement day or night. She was on Dynasty for a bit but I never understood why ABC didn't use her in Dynasty or something even just to clash with Joan Collins' character.
She did do a run on Dallas while still on All My Children and that may have been enough for her at the time.
@@mdb1710 Right.
@@markelijio6012 ,I did remember Susan Lucci on Dallas in 1990.
While many legendary stars such as Susan Lucci
who got great success in daytime television history: All My Children and Dallas, she's one
of the world's finest stars who can do it better
than anyone else. An Emmy winner and an
longtime contract player at Disney since 1968,
Susan Lucci has great confidence and support
to work with a few others at the studio.
The Colbys should have been included
Technically, Central Part West aka CPW was one season which was in Darren Star's contract. The mid season retool actually produced better ratings as it catered more to CBS's older demographic at the time and it was rare to have original programming during the summer when everything else is in reruns. I think the big mistake of the show was Lauren Hutton. Even in the trailers leading up to the premiere - and there were a lot - showed her bad acting and made the show look not that serious. The rest of the cast was great (especially Madchen Amick) but Tom Verica was miscast as the sexy male lead - he wasn't sexy. I think casting saw him as a Bruce Willis type and ran with it.
Also, when they rebooted the show, CBS didn't air a few of the previous episodes (I think two or three) and confused the audience with the story lines. They tried to fix it with a long 'previously on...' clip, but it didn't work - there were still major plot holes. They were later added in syndication. You can find the full series on TH-cam - but it's a bit grainy as it looks like it's a VHS copy. The show never saw a DVD or VHS release.
It's funny to see Morgan Fairchild in two prime time soap failures. She also tanked a daytime soap on ABC called The City. Audiences never really liked her and I don't know how she passed testing.
You forgot to include The Colbys.
I just decided that winning a Golden Globe and having a strong mature cast was enough reason to consider they did "make it". Not that I liked it personally. Thanks for your feedback and happy new year!. Toni supersoaps.org.
Flamingo Road was interesting -- may have done better on CBS than on NBC -- where hits were rare at that time. The Colbys may have been a case of just too much Dynasty and its excesses.
I agree.
NBC though, had a horrible track record with the late night serial genera. They had good stuff to work with(Flamingo, Yellow Rose,), but for whatever reason, never could have luck, like CBS and ABC.
@@silentrage8961"The Yellow Rose" has done so well as an epic television mini-series on NBC in the 1983-1984 season which is a Wilder/Zinberg production in association with Lorimar Television. Distributed by Warner Bros. Television Distribution. A year later,
TV Land has found a brand new home for a weekly television series: "The Yellow Rose." Finally it did. It worked for the first time. Ran for a total
of sixteen successful seasons from September 22, 1984 until May 26, 2000. Produced by Lakeside Productions in association
with Warner Bros. Television. Distributed by Warner Bros. Domestic Television Distribution, an AOL Time Warner Company. Enjoy!
WHERE DOES BEAUTY AN THE BEAST BELONG LIVE ON THIS🤩🤗🙂
The 80s version was an amazing SciFi show with the most romantic love story ever. I didn´t watch it in its whole but I will someday. Toni
They could show these now with the writers strike
Thank you, but I miss Savannah...🤭
What no ‘Glitter’?!
For Aaron Spelling, he didn't have another daytime program in his hands after the success of Dynasty, Beverly Hills 90210 and Melrose Place.
As a executive producer along with his longtime partner E.Duke Vincent, they found the Emmy winning Sunset Beach on NBC Daytime which was very successful for four seasons (1997-2000) with a total of 755 episodes.
Gee...uhh...Tommy Flanagan's "wife" appeared in a few of these!!
Great video but damn no time to read text. Disappeared so fast.
I worked out that in more recent videos, thanks for your feedback! Toni www.supersoaps.org
@@supersoaps no problem thanks for responding and making adjustments thanks for the link website looks super cool and will be digesting it. Such rich material
No one is more thrilled than me that the nighttime soap is over. I didn't like any of them.
I’m afraid I never got into primetime soaps. Even the successfull ones.
Didn't make it? What didn't they make?
I’d love to see “The Secrets of Midland Heights.” (Not King’s Crossing.)
But Lorimar Television has got more hits like "Falcon Crest" (1981-1990, CBS), "The Yellow Rose: the Mini-Series" (1983, NBC), "Rituals"
(1984-1995, Syndicated) and "Sisters" (1991-1996, NBC) than misses.
The Colby's is not on this list
Anthony, The Colbys had 2 seasons and won 1 Golden Globe, as well as Oscar-winning stars. That doesn´t make it a great soap to me, but there were others more appropriate for this video. TC appears in other videos, check out my playlists. Thanks for your feedback. Toni www.supersoaps.org
I wanted to love CPW. The writing is so abysmally awful, though.
Aaron Spelling had quite a few flops.
Like I said again, the legendary Emmy winner Aaron Spelling had quite a few flops: Glitter, The Colbys, Central Park West, Savannah among others.
But after the success of Dynasty, he hit big once again as one of the executive producers on a string of hits: Hotel, Matt Houston, Beverly Hills 90210,
Melrose Place, Moesha, 7th Heaven, Sunset Beach, Charmed and The Parkers under his Spelling/Big Ticket Television venture under
the Paramount/Viacom banner. For most fans, there won't be a hit show without Aaron Spelling's name on it.
Savannah!!!!!!
FOUR CORNERS was a female YELLOWSTONE
MODELS INC. Hahah. ugh.