Few updates! First I messed up the bis list I linked. I was having issues with sixtyupgrade and kept having to reset the character. It happened like 5 times and each time little items kept getting wrong. Here is the updated bis list - sixtyupgrades.com/sod/set/w4gDjZxjx7J5RKAr8hA7TU Second, our usage of living bomb might be slightly different than I explained in the video for single target fights. It's possible that we should avoid using living bomb on single target fights until Deep Freeze is on cooldown. Since living bomb can consume fingers of frost, that will screw over our Deep Freeze. You might want to hold off on using living bomb until your first deep freeze, specifically on single target fights. Not 100% sure on this yet, but do keep it in mind! Good luck frost boys!
There is an AOE spec where you ignore either or both of ice barrier and ice block and put a point or two in improved blizzard so it can proc your FOF and crit on the living bombs
Thanks man, switched to Frost a few days ago for leveling. Good to see it's doing ok in the raid as well as I'm loving it. Do you also have a pre-bis list as I'm about to ding 50.
this is very good content for mages wanting to swap to frost, I also thought on this and swapped to frost like 2 weeks ago, which u didn't mention it's also KILLER in PvP. Got lucky I also bought 2 freezing bands like for 400g, and then sold 1 on the AH for 1200g, setting the price. But I'm still thinking if the epic ring from ST which gives 15 SP for both fire and frost, is better than another freezing band in terms of dps, considering hoy many bombs u are using with that +15 sp vs frost sp. I've been trying to simulate it on sims and still don't know how
In my guild I am one of two mages and last week we decided this would be the best thing to do and it was crazy 😂 I am playing fire and the other mage full frost just like this video suggests. And it definitely is amazing for the frost mage at least he was doing a bit more DMG than me but still I the crit chance helps me so it's all good
I’m playing frost but I’m using the burnout chest rune. With full world buffs and consumables after winter’s chill is stacked my frost fire bolt is at 54% crit. I like it better than fof rng.
For BiS I think you missed the Huku’s Hex Cape (10 int/15 spell dam) and possibly Bonecaster’s Belt of Fiery/Frozen Wrath with +26 fire or frost dmg. I know at least for the standard fire build +26 spell dmg was better than the Highlander’s Girdle, though I’m not sure how much spell dmg +1% crit is worth for the new frost build (it was equal to around 9 spell dmg for fire). Atal’ai Hexxer’s Gloves is probably really close to Frostweave Gloves too, +10 int (which provides some crit) at a loss of only 2 spell damage. Plus Hexxer’s gives +spell damage whereas Frostweave is only +frost, so the Hexxer gloves boost Living Bomb and Fire Blast (which can be part of the rotation when needing to move if the mana cost isn’t an issue).
Ah yup, def fucked up the bis list and linked the wrong one. Everytime i was updating sixtyupgrades it was breaking and I would have to restart. Huku's Hex Cape for sure. Also agreed about the belt, just comes down to where crit ends up. I think crit is prolly better since we run ignite but not sure. Priod spell damage in general over int since mana is just not an issue at all anymore with the changes to paladins. I didnt even get close to ooming once in raid, and never had to evocate. All solid points tho.
ive been playing frost since first lockout and im having so much fun tbh. we regularly have 3 mages so figured id take the L and give them the buff but ive been out'dpsing them. also doesnt Elixir of Firepower increase the damage of your ignite?
doesn't FFB benefit equally from "of fiery wrath" or "of frozen wrath" ? Why not get the 13 fire damage wand from brd if so? Also fiery wrath pieces would be more desired if this is the case since both FFB and living bomb benefit from fire but only FFB benefits from frost. Someone please correct me if i'm mistaken.
I explain in the video FFB doesn't double dip. It picks the higher of the two. We also use deep freeze as a part of our main rotation, which doesnt benefit from fire damage.
Hey glad you made a vid after the stream, one quetion. If you go FoF + Deep Freeze do you have to then stack frostpower? is it not viable going firepower with those runes?
ive played it yesterday with 2 mages and my dps decreased like 3 times :D i have no clue how spamming 1 button made me do less damage, on first boss in fire i was doing 1.2k dmg, yesterday i did like 500-600, i still cant explain and need to study logs.
Also, do you reckon it's better to not take the last point in Ice Barrier and instead go for Flame Throwing 1 point? If purely from a PvE parsing perspective?
Is it possible to have a WeakAura that tells me if batching was successful? If so, does anyone have such a WeakAura, or could tell me how to create one? 6:23
Not really true, though. Good fire mage parses in phase 2 were optimizing living bomb uptime between firebolts as well as living flame or icy veins, throwing pyroblast on hot streak procs, and even pre-casting pyroblast on boss pulls.
@@LowRezWorld are we in phase 2? This is phase 3. No top parser is using fire bolt or pyroblast, maybe besides at the start of an encounter. You still keep uptime on living bomb with frost spec. It’s the literal exact same gameplay except fire keeps scorch uptime & frost uses deep freeze
@@LowRezWorld Frost has deepfreeze just like fire has living bomb, and frost still uses living bomb. So like Dantel said they both do the same thing lol. If frost is a meme so is fire.
Man i should of bought 2 Freezing Bands yesterday at 145g each... Checked this morning and 575g+ each bah... Well sticking with being the WC mage anyway
I don´t really have any frost Spelldmg items. Generally Frostfire Bolt takes the +Dmg from the school that is higher, right? So if i have Fire higher than Frost, does it count as a fire Spell and not benefit from the Frost talents, or doesn´t that matter at all? Can someone please tell me
Yes and damage too, I take 6% fire and 6% frost damage (3 points firepower and 3 points piercing ice 0/28/13) with my spec as we have a fire mage for improved scorch and a frost mage for winter's chill. I also swap between spell power and brain freeze, both work out the same and if rng does go ham brainfreeze is nuts, but spell power is more consistent. But to clarify it does not double dip from spell power, as explained it's the highest of the two.
those are the default ones, there's an option to split it by group in the settings, let me check where and I'll edit. Under Interface/Raid Frames/Keep Groups Together
Does aoe fire damage around you, its for super sweaty people who care about speed running and trash damage. Not required at all, only use it if you are a sweatlord.
man i came back to say somthing, i saw ur video coupel of days ago and i was liek "NICE FRREE GOLD" theni went to see freezing band and itwas for 500g, i wanted it for 300g cuz im a greedy twat, then next day its 3k gold :D
2 weaks ago: "Simulations as frost show there are still shitty". Today: "WOW frost is nice". I don't understand and like the SoD community... Anyway, thank you for the content Kal
We've actually known frost was going to be good from before Phase 3, atleast the mage discord. Sims were showing before the phase dropped frost would be highly competitive with fire. For the first few weeks Warcraftlogs was showing most frost parses as fire mages, so it made frost look worse than it actually was. I think thats where the misconception might have come from. WCLs is fixed now though, its able to track if your frost from winterschill now.
@@KallTorak Very good to know thanks. Actually I was referring to random YTbers ranking frost spec very far down, thanks to their live demonstrated sims.
Few updates! First I messed up the bis list I linked. I was having issues with sixtyupgrade and kept having to reset the character. It happened like 5 times and each time little items kept getting wrong. Here is the updated bis list - sixtyupgrades.com/sod/set/w4gDjZxjx7J5RKAr8hA7TU
Second, our usage of living bomb might be slightly different than I explained in the video for single target fights. It's possible that we should avoid using living bomb on single target fights until Deep Freeze is on cooldown. Since living bomb can consume fingers of frost, that will screw over our Deep Freeze. You might want to hold off on using living bomb until your first deep freeze, specifically on single target fights. Not 100% sure on this yet, but do keep it in mind!
Good luck frost boys!
Dude your videos are amazing man - LOVE that you started off calling out the legends in the mage classic disc. GL with that dagger!
Same to you, legend
7:32 "it was honestly really chill" 🤣
no pun intended of course
There is an AOE spec where you ignore either or both of ice barrier and ice block and put a point or two in improved blizzard so it can proc your FOF and crit on the living bombs
still feels like ass lol
Nice guide !
Thanks man, switched to Frost a few days ago for leveling. Good to see it's doing ok in the raid as well as I'm loving it. Do you also have a pre-bis list as I'm about to ding 50.
said yersteday u were gonna do guide on live and there it is :) thx sir
this is very good content for mages wanting to swap to frost, I also thought on this and swapped to frost like 2 weeks ago, which u didn't mention it's also KILLER in PvP. Got lucky I also bought 2 freezing bands like for 400g, and then sold 1 on the AH for 1200g, setting the price. But I'm still thinking if the epic ring from ST which gives 15 SP for both fire and frost, is better than another freezing band in terms of dps, considering hoy many bombs u are using with that +15 sp vs frost sp. I've been trying to simulate it on sims and still don't know how
In my guild I am one of two mages and last week we decided this would be the best thing to do and it was crazy 😂 I am playing fire and the other mage full frost just like this video suggests. And it definitely is amazing for the frost mage at least he was doing a bit more DMG than me but still I the crit chance helps me so it's all good
I’m playing frost but I’m using the burnout chest rune. With full world buffs and consumables after winter’s chill is stacked my frost fire bolt is at 54% crit. I like it better than fof rng.
Honestly i might check out this build
For BiS I think you missed the Huku’s Hex Cape (10 int/15 spell dam) and possibly Bonecaster’s Belt of Fiery/Frozen Wrath with +26 fire or frost dmg. I know at least for the standard fire build +26 spell dmg was better than the Highlander’s Girdle, though I’m not sure how much spell dmg +1% crit is worth for the new frost build (it was equal to around 9 spell dmg for fire).
Atal’ai Hexxer’s Gloves is probably really close to Frostweave Gloves too, +10 int (which provides some crit) at a loss of only 2 spell damage. Plus Hexxer’s gives +spell damage whereas Frostweave is only +frost, so the Hexxer gloves boost Living Bomb and Fire Blast (which can be part of the rotation when needing to move if the mana cost isn’t an issue).
Ah yup, def fucked up the bis list and linked the wrong one. Everytime i was updating sixtyupgrades it was breaking and I would have to restart. Huku's Hex Cape for sure. Also agreed about the belt, just comes down to where crit ends up. I think crit is prolly better since we run ignite but not sure.
Priod spell damage in general over int since mana is just not an issue at all anymore with the changes to paladins. I didnt even get close to ooming once in raid, and never had to evocate. All solid points tho.
Hi! You mentioned the discord but when I went to join, it did not give me all of the channels you had? Is there a way to get more access? TY :)
ive been playing frost since first lockout and im having so much fun tbh. we regularly have 3 mages so figured id take the L and give them the buff but ive been out'dpsing them. also doesnt Elixir of Firepower increase the damage of your ignite?
what about bootrune brainfreeze which let the insta frostfire also profit from the finger of frost second stack at once?
Aren't the Earth Warder's Gloves from the quest in winterspring better than frostweave?
is the deep freeze batching giving ffb dmg from the shatter or is deep freeze doing the dmg?
doesn't FFB benefit equally from "of fiery wrath" or "of frozen wrath" ? Why not get the 13 fire damage wand from brd if so? Also fiery wrath pieces would be more desired if this is the case since both FFB and living bomb benefit from fire but only FFB benefits from frost. Someone please correct me if i'm mistaken.
I explain in the video FFB doesn't double dip. It picks the higher of the two. We also use deep freeze as a part of our main rotation, which doesnt benefit from fire damage.
Hey glad you made a vid after the stream, one quetion. If you go FoF + Deep Freeze do you have to then stack frostpower? is it not viable going firepower with those runes?
You could prolly stack firepower but frost power gonna be better if you are running deep freeze overall.
@@KallTorak thanks. I was thinking Ignite and LB overweight Deep Freeze but guess not. ill get the frost gear to test myself, see you next time!
@@TheMageAcademy I just go off what the mage discord says based off the sims they run, so I'm just echoing them. LMK if you find different results!
@@KallTorak Did you link the mage discord? Couldnt see it in the description :)
@@johannesjakobsson6206 I did, its in the description below all the time stamps.
Hi if you re the only mage you should be fire ?
ive played it yesterday with 2 mages and my dps decreased like 3 times :D i have no clue how spamming 1 button made me do less damage, on first boss in fire i was doing 1.2k dmg, yesterday i did like 500-600, i still cant explain and need to study logs.
Why do I feel like I'm struggling with the spell batching? Or is my lb prob just eating my proc? Feels like it never works
Could be living bomb ear the procs and you not spamming hard enough
Also, do you reckon it's better to not take the last point in Ice Barrier and instead go for Flame Throwing 1 point? If purely from a PvE parsing perspective?
I answer that in the video, I prefer ice barrier to avoid pushback
Is it possible to have a WeakAura that tells me if batching was successful? If so, does anyone have such a WeakAura, or could tell me how to create one?
6:23
If you don't take deep freeze wouldn't you just go full fire damage instead of frost for gearing?
Correct, but as of right now sims say you should be running deep freeze
Does he have the talent build he uses anywhere?
casting just 1 ability over and over has to be very fun.. Frost Mages will be a meme for ever 🤣
Fire mages are literally using 1 ability over and over after scorch stacks are applied, what are you on about?
Not really true, though. Good fire mage parses in phase 2 were optimizing living bomb uptime between firebolts as well as living flame or icy veins, throwing pyroblast on hot streak procs, and even pre-casting pyroblast on boss pulls.
@@LowRezWorld are we in phase 2? This is phase 3. No top parser is using fire bolt or pyroblast, maybe besides at the start of an encounter. You still keep uptime on living bomb with frost spec. It’s the literal exact same gameplay except fire keeps scorch uptime & frost uses deep freeze
@@dantelabella9753 So by your own admission, it's not just spamming 1 ability over and over lol
@@LowRezWorld Frost has deepfreeze just like fire has living bomb, and frost still uses living bomb. So like Dantel said they both do the same thing lol. If frost is a meme so is fire.
You will also help shadowpriest, yes?
Yes
Man i should of bought 2 Freezing Bands yesterday at 145g each... Checked this morning and 575g+ each bah... Well sticking with being the WC mage anyway
Yeahhhhhh, I wasn't expecting that to happen but guess thats my fault. The price has doubled on my realm as well. Feels bad sorry man
I don´t really have any frost Spelldmg items.
Generally Frostfire Bolt takes the +Dmg from the school that is higher, right?
So if i have Fire higher than Frost, does it count as a fire Spell and not benefit from the Frost talents, or doesn´t that matter at all?
Can someone please tell me
It'll benefit from talents no matter what your gear is.
@@KallTorak So i can just go in with Firedmg max and use that build?
@@franzbeckenbauer4469 If you care about your single target dps more you want frost damage for deep freeze. Otherwise you do you
@@KallTorak All right, thank you. I need a new wand then 😆
if I already got arcane wand from the mage's quest, is there any alternative and what you did in this case?
Frozen Wrath off the AH
@@KallTorak ty
Does FFB double dip off spell crit like it did in Wrath Classic?
Yes and damage too, I take 6% fire and 6% frost damage (3 points firepower and 3 points piercing ice 0/28/13) with my spec as we have a fire mage for improved scorch and a frost mage for winter's chill. I also swap between spell power and brain freeze, both work out the same and if rng does go ham brainfreeze is nuts, but spell power is more consistent. But to clarify it does not double dip from spell power, as explained it's the highest of the two.
can u also use greater int potion with the buffs?
Your own arcane intellect counts as better buff, so it cannot be applied.
if i am the only mage in the raid and switched to frost, any idea how much dps i would lose compared to fire? 10%, 20%?
It's a considerble dps loss think like 300-400 dps?
@@KallTorak you think? you would be replacing 15% fire dmg with 10% crit
Addon name to adjust the raid in groups?
those are the default ones, there's an option to split it by group in the settings, let me check where and I'll edit. Under Interface/Raid Frames/Keep Groups Together
is it good to play frost if im only mage in raid?
No, you should be fire if you are solo mage. Its a 300-400 dps loss being solo frost
Thoughts on taking improved frostbolt and casting a level 2 frostbolt 5 times for fast WC debuffs? Context: 3 mages. No I won't Sim it. Gigachad
Since we only need 5% hit
Does Dragonbreath Chili only work in melee?
What is dragonbreath chili?
Does aoe fire damage around you, its for super sweaty people who care about speed running and trash damage. Not required at all, only use it if you are a sweatlord.
@@KallTorak any benefit on boss damage from it? Does it stack with all other consumes?
@@nippiS If ur standing near the boss would do damage but not really super important for parsing mainly for speed running
@@KallTorak thanks for the info bro
man i came back to say somthing, i saw ur video coupel of days ago and i was liek "NICE FRREE GOLD" theni went to see freezing band and itwas for 500g, i wanted it for 300g cuz im a greedy twat, then next day its 3k gold :D
Yeah.......prices got runed fast lol
Wait what?!?!! Ice Block gets rid of corrupted blood?! fffff
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
The list of consums for the sweatlords lmao, ridiculous.
first
Mage discord is full of a bunch of try hard losers.
I feel like they should decrease the CD of deep freeze, getting FoF procs while freeze is still on CD feels very bad.
Yeah agreed
the problem with living bomb is it eats your fingers proc and causes a big dps loss
Yup, sounds like you should only be using living bomb if deep freeze is on CD on single target fights at least.
2 weaks ago: "Simulations as frost show there are still shitty". Today: "WOW frost is nice". I don't understand and like the SoD community... Anyway, thank you for the content Kal
We've actually known frost was going to be good from before Phase 3, atleast the mage discord. Sims were showing before the phase dropped frost would be highly competitive with fire. For the first few weeks Warcraftlogs was showing most frost parses as fire mages, so it made frost look worse than it actually was. I think thats where the misconception might have come from. WCLs is fixed now though, its able to track if your frost from winterschill now.
@@KallTorak Very good to know thanks. Actually I was referring to random YTbers ranking frost spec very far down, thanks to their live demonstrated sims.
@@gregal92150 Ah yeah haha those tier lists always crack me up.
On single target fights is it worth it to run ice lance and cast it with FFB to ramp up the winters chill stacks?
Def not, ice lance fucking sucks
@@KallTorak thanks
Frost mage sucks ass unless there's a fire mage in the raid.