@@ghostrider1827 Was it? Or was it created to rival what the Russians claimed the Mig 25 was? I mean, if we trained our soldiers to be equal to what the Chinese claim of their soldiers, they would make Rambo look like a girl scout.
@@SarthorS ??? Weird response. Regardless of what the Russians claimed the Mig 25 capabilities were, the Eagle was created as a response. Point is, the Mig 23 wasn't the catalyst to develop the F15.
@@SarthorS Uh, neither? It was created to rival what Americans *thought* the MiG-25 was. They ended up being entirely wrong about what it was. Either way this is a really weird response lol
It’s the 23M and earlier ones (basically prototypes), later 23’s had no such issue and were in fact pretty manoeuvrable. This is a pretty common misconception that the MiG-23 was bad and couldn’t turn well just because of a sh*t ton of different versions of this plane each with unique wing design and some of those were indeed very bad but some were in fact very good (flight performance and mid-to-low speed manoeuvrability wise). But what issues all 23’s had in common (including MiG-27’s) are pretty regular engine failures and poor cockpit visibility, pilot could lift the chair up to have a better view on sides but it still wasn’t even close to cockpit visibility in jets such as F-16/F-15
@@burner33in the video he talks about its stats on paper. What something CAN do vs how it will actually be used are very different. Military Overspeculates on enemy capabilities so that they can create a better response regardless of
@@СергейНикольский-я2цThe problem is by the time the MiG-23’s issues were resolved the US had F-15’s and F-14’s in their air forces ready. The MiG never stood a chance
Its also cool that Constant Peg was a working program that ended up just being a daytime cover for the night time test program for the F117 Have Blue program
@@patta8388 we’re talking about the -23 here. For the most part I don’t think the -23 did very well at BVR either though. I’m not sure the -23 ever really saw combat success anywhere against western aircraft.
@@morganlambley8655 typo, sorry. Afaik 23's scored close to two dozen air victories in the middle east in various conflicts, among them Syria Vs Israel. We also should not forget that the Soviets tended to hand out only really shitty versions of their aircraft and tanks to 3rd parties, so we never saw a real match up anyway
@@morganlambley8655the mig23 has a terrible bvr radar. I think the max radar power in it was around 19-20 miles with a basic open search mode and a mode like pd for looking at ground that auto switches when looking at terrain while f4 can scan atleast 40mi + and has multiple radar modes you can utilize. However close range the mig23 has far better ir seeking missiles and it is a variable wing control so it also manuevers probably better than the f4. Big advantage to the f4 was it would have shot it down before the merge or hide better on radar.
Brace yourself. Between the Bots and the Trolls, these comment boards are going to be a real nightmare. Everybody is a comedian when shielded by anonymity. If they said this stuff to anyone face to face, they'd be wearing the brace. Stay well. Stay safe. Best.
I think its funny, the mig 23 was reveared for so long But nowadays a random autobody shop in downtown st louis has one in his backyard (Along with many othrr cools peices)
Lol 😂 yes I have driven past that place several times they have quite a collection there of all kinds of aircraft. Can be seen best from behind the business on Google maps at Cardinal Ave & Lasalle St in St. Louis, Missouri. Bissell Auto & Body Co. 3000-3010 Chouteau Ave.
@@alanwhiteside410 i once called him if i could walk around back there I got about half a sentance out before he cut me off and said absolutly not lol The A7k in the back shed i saw through the window was getting primed with a grey primer too
@@garyslayton8340 Thanks for letting me know because I was wanting to stop and ask about looking at the collection. I retired from Boeing 10 years ago and I worked on fighter jets most of my life mostly the F-15 on the flight ramp.
I fly the MIG 15 and I never would’ve guessed that it is a similar airplane to the A4, I really thought the A4 was super sonic and a good bit faster. It’s really cool to hear that about the MiG
My dad was an Eagle Driver in the early / mid 80's. I remember him saying the F15 could turn circles inside the MiG-23. But he said if they merged at 300kts and the eagle went full burner (but kept flying straight), the MiG could do a 180 and catch up within a few minutes.
That one line summed up the cold war pretty well. Any time anything new came out from either side, the intel community would sell it as absolute disaster for the adversary. Could've been a new type of pen, and the intel community would've said that it was going to lead to the end of mankind.
I remember the aircrew interview with the Aardvark pilot who said the MiG-23 was the only airplane faster than them on the deck, and it turned even worse. I'm not totally sure if I believe either of those things, but in any case, it was definitely fast and definitely a boat. Especially considering how soon the F-15 came out after the -23 entered service.
@ I flew three models for the Aardvark…F-111D/F/G. And yes, the MiG-23 was the only one who could run with us on the deck. Took an F-111F (clean) 1.8 Mach (approx 1200 Kts ground speed) at 500’ over the Florida gulf with F-15C trying to intercept us in an exercise. They shot us in the face and laughed as we went by like a rocket. AMRAM is a good missile. Speed is not life against it.
Maybe speed wise, but the ML and later MiG-23 models were way more agile than the F-111. Pretty sure that manuverabillity wise, the MiG-23ML would place somewhere between an F14D and an F16A.
I was an air defense gunner in the Army from 83 to 86, so little was known about the Frogfoot at the time in aircraft recognition class all they had for imagery to show us was a photograph of a clay model that was an "artists rendition" of what intelligence and people who'd been around it an got out of the Soviet Union described to them, for alot of the Soviet aircraft we had real grainy black and white photos that were undoubtedly taken covertly with spy cameras someone had managed to get on a Soviet air base, but with the Frogfoot there wasn't even that, just that single picture of a clay model on a stand. After the Soviet Union fell and everyone got a good look at it I've never been able to understand why the Soviets were so secretive about it, there's nothing groundbreaking about the thing, it doesn't have stealth features and it can't even break the sound barrier, but for whatever reason they kept the lid screwed down as hard as they could on that thing.
@ The Soviets were very good at propaganda and they had a tendency to exaggerate the performance of their military equipment,often times the west had to rely on speculation as opposed to actual intelligence,case in point the MiG 25,lauded as a premier aircraft it shook the west when it first appeared in 1964 and entered service in 1970,it acquired a fearsome reputation until in 1975 when a Soviet pilot defected and its limitations were revealed….however it did lead to the development of the F15 which proved to be what the MiG25 was not a true air superiority aircraft…
@ oh by the way, I’m a USAF Veteran and former SP,I was stationed at Bitburg AFB in the early 70s at the height of the Cold War,including the Yom Kippur War…
And as it turns out by The Israelis and Iranians and Later Americans MiG-23 Wasn’t That Much of a big deal and Almost Everytime F-4 Beat It and The Soviets Knew It
My dad, who had time in the A-4 (but it was not an airframe for his specialty (VS)), and used to joke thst NORMAL people for NOT fly scooters. BUT, if you could stress it enough to hurt one, that was an ACHIEVEMENT!
@cideltacommand7169 Of course. But far from being the unstoppable superweapon that the Soviets led us to believe it would be. Of course that gave us an excuse to make the F22 so, who's laughing now?
Later, the F 5 was the Air Force Red Flag Mig 21 profile. The Major is going to wax some fanny over Los Vegas. I don't care that the AF had to copy Top Gun from the Navy. Any good idea adds to the pot.
I am wearing the exact same neck brace. Because I broke not fractured my C5 and C4 vertebrae. And I did it on my lawn mower not very romantical but that's how it happened.
You can’t be realistic with the expectations of opponents planes if you’re involved with building new planes. That would be a share way to get fired next quarterly report was sent out
these shorts are always the least informative things ever. Whoever is editing these is leaving off the actual explanation because they either don't understand it or they don't know what they are doing.
@@cideltacommand7169 im just looking for a point to the whole thing, which i know the speaker gets to, but the editor doesn't have the skill or patience to include it.
Do you know that Finland Airforce has flewn MiG's for some years? They were NOT occupied by the Russians, and they were not a threat for the Russians either, so they could buy a number of MiG's. These western pilots did a conversion training, it was a blitz course on Russian too. They did not get a cockpit in Finnish or English. Do check this story, for the Fin pilots liked these planes. Maybe not the fastest or the most famous, but these MiG's met their demands. So that western Airforce bought MiG's!
My understanding is that the MiG had far better acceleration and low-altitude speed. I've heard so many bad things about the MiG's maneuverability, but it's hard to imagine that those big wings in straight sweep wouldn't out-turn the pencil. Maybe.
The common misconception that MiG-23’s had terrible maneuverability comes from the United States getting ahold of variants with literally the worst maneuverability of any of the 23 series. the ML, and later had among some of the best maneuverability, matching and even surpassing that of F-16’s of the time. (Even the M want too bad) They had great turning ability and were quite fast.
@@Notbigbird The ML improvements were primarily reliability related and some basic improvements in structure, engine, avionics etc. But NO MiG-23 ever matched the F-16 in maneuverability, nor even the F-15 for that matter.
@Notbigbird In some respects like BVR performance, absolutely. The early F-16A was a day fighter, like the most pimped-out Sabre imaginable. But, those things also RIPPED in a turn fight. Killer sustained turn rate - even better than the modern ones. The Eagle was king in the one-circle until the Hornet (and arguably Fulcrum and Flanker) came out, but nothing out-rated an early Viper. I could maybe believe that a late-model MiG-23 could do something in a radius right against an F-16A because that early FBW had a pretty nasty AoA limiter. But no way they were playing ball in a rate fight against that little monster.
the soviets got a hold of a Northrop F-5 from Vietnam and they tested it against the Mig-23 and it beat the Mig-23 every time they tried. So I can’t confirm this next part it’s just a theory of mine, but when you look at the leading edge design on the Mig-29 it's very similar to the F-5s. i think due to the fact that neither the Mig-21 or Mig-23 could beat an F-5 the Russians became overly fixated on super manoeuvrability.
No they became super manoeuvrable because US doctrine said that all planes had to visually identify their targets, this meant they had to get close and that lead to dogfights instead of using the over the horizon missiles
The intel community tells the powers that be, that EVERY new russian plane, tank, ship, satellite, ect is gonna be the thing that kills us all....why? Easy, so they get a hike in their budget!
They stopped using the mig23 because the variable swept wing system was a dangerous design and was shown to be unreliable. That's also why the F14 tomcat was discontinued as well because it was known to have accidents and hydraulic failure. Cool design but hard to reliably implement due to the extreme g forces involved with dogfights.
@spaceageGecko yes. Always to peer or higher Gen aircraft. Modern Russian fighters have much better record. They don't have the numbers or 0 K/Ds but quality not quantity
@spaceageGecko firstly Russia is European. Secondly quality as in quality of kills. The Eagles for example over 100 kills no deaths but over 90% against 2nd and 3rd gen fighters with remaining few export downgraded 3+ and 4th. MiG-25/31 has a few dozen kills and maybe a dozen deaths. But the 25PD has regular hits against F-4s and F-5Es with hits against F-14As and an F/A-18C and it also mission killed an Tornado and F-15C. The 31BM model has regular hits against Su-24Ms and MiG-29As with many hits against Su-27s. Quality not quantity.
Western and eastern 4th gens have very rarely fought each other, and when they did, one side was generally downgraded export models, that much is true. However, I would not say that eastern 3rd gens have beaten western 4th gens. Sure, there have been a few cases of that, but for every time a MiG-21/23 shot down an F16, F16s shot down a 100 of these outdated MiGs.
So you had some incredibly paranoid and hysterical intelligence and military analysts back then. MiG-21 was too quick and agile. MiG-23 is addressed here. MiG-25 was supposed to un-catchable super weapon, that cause F15 for be developed. MiG-29 was supposed to be faster and better version of F16. I am sensing a pattern here. 😂😂😂
I mean half of that is true. The mig 21 WAS scary in Vietnam. Quite fast and quite manouverable Mig 23 was still a somewhat formidable aircraft. The mig 25 was a quite powerful plane, even though it lacked maneuverability and range. Mig 29 is better than an f16 in most ways other than versatility and agility
Any soviet and Russian plane with a competent trained pilot is the best Chuck Yeager proved it. Russian pilots certainly have in ww2, Korea and all the conflicts from Afghanistan to Chechnya to Syria to Georgia to Ukraine and even against US pilots interecepted and I'm not talking recon or bombers but also other fighters. Latest being a f-16 completely shitting his pants when getting too close to a Bear where he got swiped by someone he should have been aware of. Lucky the 16 has a good recovery system otherwise it would have tubled uncontrollably
“It turns really well. In fact, too well.”
*winces in pain*
Explain
@@johnplummer4785are you blind
Lol
Why wouldn't you push an interview if your guest is dressed like they want to win a shotty personal.injury lawsuit?
Hahahaa
Crowd: "How do you know it turns really well?"
Pilot:...Points to neck brace
😂
😂
Please upload the full lecture in long form!! These shorts are fascinating
"Constant Peg" is the reason I can't walk well
@zackarysmith1520 Dude shutup! I CAN RELATE TO THAT HAPPENS OFTEN IN the Morning
I knew there was gonna be that one person to make this joke
😂😂😂
E L I T E
Real, i have mommy to peg me all the time
you know your flight instructor knows his stuff when hes got one of those on!
He hurt his neck looking for the oil gauge on the mig-23.
The A-4 didn't have an 'oil gauge' either..
@@OldGlaseye-gf7si fuck it he hurt his neck twice finding the oil gage in both aircraft.
Are you ok? What happened to your neck?
Neck injuries are common for fighter pilots. John was recovering from a medical operation at the time of filming. He is better now, thanks!
Glad to hear he is doing well.
He turned rather too well in a mig23
Lmao he is not a fighter pilot.
@@TheMrCheezlezombie i thought he was in vietnam
Is this video available as a whole video?
Bump
Get well soon 👍🏾
He’s fine now
Mig 23 came out then not even 4 years later we said here hold my coffee with the f15 lmao
The F15 was actually created to rival the Mig 25.
@@ghostrider1827 Was it? Or was it created to rival what the Russians claimed the Mig 25 was? I mean, if we trained our soldiers to be equal to what the Chinese claim of their soldiers, they would make Rambo look like a girl scout.
@@SarthorS ??? Weird response. Regardless of what the Russians claimed the Mig 25 capabilities were, the Eagle was created as a response. Point is, the Mig 23 wasn't the catalyst to develop the F15.
@@SarthorS Uh, neither? It was created to rival what Americans *thought* the MiG-25 was. They ended up being entirely wrong about what it was. Either way this is a really weird response lol
@@Sol-Orion I merely wanted to have a go at the Russians, saying that the American mock-up was better than the real thing.
Uplaod this lecture please!!!!!
Dude must have fallen asleep on the couch… been there brother
lmao
I wanna hear him elaborate on “they made it happen”. I bet that’s a wild story.
mig 23 irl: if you turn too fast your wings snap away
It’s the 23M and earlier ones (basically prototypes), later 23’s had no such issue and were in fact pretty manoeuvrable. This is a pretty common misconception that the MiG-23 was bad and couldn’t turn well just because of a sh*t ton of different versions of this plane each with unique wing design and some of those were indeed very bad but some were in fact very good (flight performance and mid-to-low speed manoeuvrability wise). But what issues all 23’s had in common (including MiG-27’s) are pretty regular engine failures and poor cockpit visibility, pilot could lift the chair up to have a better view on sides but it still wasn’t even close to cockpit visibility in jets such as F-16/F-15
wdym irl are you implying that the guy speaking here did this in a video game
@@burner33in the video he talks about its stats on paper. What something CAN do vs how it will actually be used are very different. Military Overspeculates on enemy capabilities so that they can create a better response regardless of
@@ml-fishing1341 he's also a clown that said a mig23 was bad when compared to an F-16.
@@СергейНикольский-я2цThe problem is by the time the MiG-23’s issues were resolved the US had F-15’s and F-14’s in their air forces ready. The MiG never stood a chance
USAF had excellent Mig-23 simulator. The F-111. Except that F-111 had tighter turn radius.
My man has a closet full of Martin Baker ties.
is there somewhere I can watch this full talk? i keep seeing these shorts from this recording but i cannot for the life of me find the full thing.
This
not yet, Wings are only uploading snippets for now.
Its also cool that Constant Peg was a working program that ended up just being a daytime cover for the night time test program for the F117 Have Blue program
I've seen a MiG 23 on static display. Must've been a menace to our pilots back in the day. But after we got F-15 I doubt anything scares us anymore
I genuinely don’t think the F-4 would’ve struggled with the Mig-23
@@morganlambley8655it would not have, at least not in BFM. BVR...Well, the 25 is an interceptor so it comes down to a myriad of things.
@@patta8388 we’re talking about the -23 here.
For the most part I don’t think the -23 did very well at BVR either though. I’m not sure the -23 ever really saw combat success anywhere against western aircraft.
@@morganlambley8655 typo, sorry. Afaik 23's scored close to two dozen air victories in the middle east in various conflicts, among them Syria Vs Israel.
We also should not forget that the Soviets tended to hand out only really shitty versions of their aircraft and tanks to 3rd parties, so we never saw a real match up anyway
@@morganlambley8655the mig23 has a terrible bvr radar. I think the max radar power in it was around 19-20 miles with a basic open search mode and a mode like pd for looking at ground that auto switches when looking at terrain while f4 can scan atleast 40mi + and has multiple radar modes you can utilize. However close range the mig23 has far better ir seeking missiles and it is a variable wing control so it also manuevers probably better than the f4. Big advantage to the f4 was it would have shot it down before the merge or hide better on radar.
Wheres the full video of this presentation?
All these comments about neck brace tell me that some people don't grow up
Brace yourself.
Between the Bots and the Trolls, these comment boards are going to be a real nightmare.
Everybody is a comedian when shielded by anonymity.
If they said this stuff to anyone face to face, they'd be wearing the brace.
Stay well.
Stay safe.
Best.
Is the full video available somewhere?
Don’t bother with the video the book that this is based off of is a really solid read. Called red Eagles: America’s secret MiG’s by Steve Davies.
@BlindMansRevenge2002 yes, the 10% true guy.
Yup and in the 1980's two US Navy F-14 Tomcats shot down those MiG-23s in the Gulf of Sidra.
F14 is hell of an airplane, specially in the 80s
You're thinking of the MiG-28
@@ninjalectualx he's not talking about a fake aircraft from a movie, he's talking about the real life Gulf of Sidra incident(s)
The neck brace just makes this whole video
where can we see the whole video?
I think its funny, the mig 23 was reveared for so long
But nowadays a random autobody shop in downtown st louis has one in his backyard
(Along with many othrr cools peices)
Lol 😂 yes I have driven past that place several times they have quite a collection there of all kinds of aircraft.
Can be seen best from behind the business on Google maps at Cardinal Ave & Lasalle St in St. Louis, Missouri.
Bissell Auto & Body Co.
3000-3010 Chouteau Ave.
@@alanwhiteside410 i once called him if i could walk around back there
I got about half a sentance out before he cut me off and said absolutly not lol
The A7k in the back shed i saw through the window was getting primed with a grey primer too
@@garyslayton8340
Thanks for letting me know because I was wanting to stop and ask about looking at the collection. I retired from Boeing 10 years ago and I worked on fighter jets most of my life mostly the F-15 on the flight ramp.
@@alanwhiteside410 im sure he would be happy to talk, i think it was mostly that i was very clearly like 16 at the time, liability and all that
@@garyslayton8340
Oh ok yeah he might be willing to talk but he might be too busy I wonder how many people stop and ask to look at them.
Where can I find the whole thing ?
I've always said the MiG23 is the wildebeest of fighters.
(they always get eaten)
I fly the MIG 15 and I never would’ve guessed that it is a similar airplane to the A4, I really thought the A4 was super sonic and a good bit faster. It’s really cool to hear that about the MiG
You fly it in a video game. You do not actually fly it 🙄🤦♀️
@@ninjalectualx dude look at his channel he actually flies one...
LOL okay they fly a real MiG but don't know what an A-4 is. That's ridiculous
My dad was an Eagle Driver in the early / mid 80's. I remember him saying the F15 could turn circles inside the MiG-23. But he said if they merged at 300kts and the eagle went full burner (but kept flying straight), the MiG could do a 180 and catch up within a few minutes.
Given how fast the Eagle is, that's nuts.
That one line summed up the cold war pretty well.
Any time anything new came out from either side, the intel community would sell it as absolute disaster for the adversary.
Could've been a new type of pen, and the intel community would've said that it was going to lead to the end of mankind.
The F-111 was pretty close to a MiG-23
I remember the aircrew interview with the Aardvark pilot who said the MiG-23 was the only airplane faster than them on the deck, and it turned even worse. I'm not totally sure if I believe either of those things, but in any case, it was definitely fast and definitely a boat. Especially considering how soon the F-15 came out after the -23 entered service.
@ I flew three models for the Aardvark…F-111D/F/G. And yes, the MiG-23 was the only one who could run with us on the deck. Took an F-111F (clean) 1.8 Mach (approx 1200 Kts ground speed) at 500’ over the Florida gulf with F-15C trying to intercept us in an exercise. They shot us in the face and laughed as we went by like a rocket. AMRAM is a good missile. Speed is not life against it.
@@LanceRomanceF4E Hot damn that's a cool story. Thank you for sharing!
Maybe speed wise, but the ML and later MiG-23 models were way more agile than the F-111. Pretty sure that manuverabillity wise, the MiG-23ML would place somewhere between an F14D and an F16A.
What is full video title for this
Apparently the MiG 23 turned out to be a better ground attack aircraft than a fighter…until the SU25 showed up..
I was an air defense gunner in the Army from 83 to 86, so little was known about the Frogfoot at the time in aircraft recognition class all they had for imagery to show us was a photograph of a clay model that was an "artists rendition" of what intelligence and people who'd been around it an got out of the Soviet Union described to them, for alot of the Soviet aircraft we had real grainy black and white photos that were undoubtedly taken covertly with spy cameras someone had managed to get on a Soviet air base, but with the Frogfoot there wasn't even that, just that single picture of a clay model on a stand.
After the Soviet Union fell and everyone got a good look at it I've never been able to understand why the Soviets were so secretive about it, there's nothing groundbreaking about the thing, it doesn't have stealth features and it can't even break the sound barrier, but for whatever reason they kept the lid screwed down as hard as they could on that thing.
@ The Soviets were very good at propaganda and they had a tendency to exaggerate the performance of their military equipment,often times the west had to rely on speculation as opposed to actual intelligence,case in point the MiG 25,lauded as a premier aircraft it shook the west when it first appeared in 1964 and entered service in 1970,it acquired a fearsome reputation until in 1975 when a Soviet pilot defected and its limitations were revealed….however it did lead to the development of the F15 which proved to be what the MiG25 was not a true air superiority aircraft…
@ oh by the way, I’m a USAF Veteran and former SP,I was stationed at Bitburg AFB in the early 70s at the height of the Cold War,including the Yom Kippur War…
@@54blewis
What's an SPI?
@ SP,Security Police
Going at break neck speed
Why no link to the actual video? so frustrating seeing these shorts linked with a video with another speaker.
I had a serious broken neck a few months ago and my neck brace was not as tight or restricted as yours. I was wondering what injuries you'd suffered?
Stalling and flatspinning a mig on a landing.
So how dod they get the Mig ?
Yet the SAAF was 1 of the few airforces to ever score mig 23 kills
Didn't the mig23 turn out to be another straight line interceptor?
Turned so well it snapped my neck
Part of a long tradition of Russian threats/assets being way overestimated, driving Americans to build actually scary things
And as it turns out by The Israelis and Iranians and Later Americans
MiG-23 Wasn’t That Much of a big deal and Almost Everytime F-4 Beat It and The Soviets Knew It
where is this whole speech?
Anyone know the source video for this short? Tried finding it on here and online. No dice
My dad, who had time in the A-4 (but it was not an airframe for his specialty (VS)), and used to joke thst NORMAL people for NOT fly scooters. BUT, if you could stress it enough to hurt one, that was an ACHIEVEMENT!
And then it turned out the MiG-23 was
not that great 😂
Not terrible however !
@cideltacommand7169 Of course. But far from being the unstoppable superweapon that the Soviets led us to believe it would be.
Of course that gave us an excuse to make the F22 so, who's laughing now?
@@SharpForceTrauma The s300 is
It's like a plump juicy trophy animal hunt
Later, the F 5 was the Air Force Red Flag Mig 21 profile.
The Major is going to wax some fanny over Los Vegas.
I don't care that the AF had to copy Top Gun from the Navy.
Any good idea adds to the pot.
Wait, so how did we "go get some MiGs"?
Egypt
Simple, the soviets sell them to some country in the middle east, then we give that country a fuck load of money and they give us the mig
The Red Eagles 🤘🏼
Everybody else: Let's acquire something, study it and then replicate it
America:
Turns so well it will snap your neck
I have that patch REd Eagle
I am wearing the exact same neck brace. Because I broke not fractured my C5 and C4 vertebrae. And I did it on my lawn mower not very romantical but that's how it happened.
Orange jumpsuit and neck brace makes it seem like this might be a lecture given from prison. 👀
Constant peg it was indeed.
The South African border war saw the Mig 23 come up against the Mirage F1 a few times.
His call sign is Beetlejuice.
Omg these comments 🤣🤣🤣😭😭💀
Zone 51
You can’t be realistic with the expectations of opponents planes if you’re involved with building new planes. That would be a share way to get fired next quarterly report was sent out
these shorts are always the least informative things ever. Whoever is editing these is leaving off the actual explanation because they either don't understand it or they don't know what they are doing.
They are speaking from experience.
Some mig 23s were good at air to air but most were ground attack and thus got eaten
@@cideltacommand7169 bruh can you not read? im not talking about the speaker, im talking about the incompetent editor.
@@CharlesRichelieu it's a short they can't fit everything in
@@cideltacommand7169 im just looking for a point to the whole thing, which i know the speaker gets to, but the editor doesn't have the skill or patience to include it.
Your neck pain is not service related
Do you know that Finland Airforce has flewn MiG's for some years? They were NOT occupied by the Russians, and they were not a threat for the Russians either, so they could buy a number of MiG's. These western pilots did a conversion training, it was a blitz course on Russian too. They did not get a cockpit in Finnish or English. Do check this story, for the Fin pilots liked these planes. Maybe not the fastest or the most famous, but these MiG's met their demands. So that western Airforce bought MiG's!
What happened to your kneck??
He got judo chopped
and then F 14 joined
If we had known the MiG-23's limitations we would have realized we did have a good simulator: F-104
My understanding is that the MiG had far better acceleration and low-altitude speed. I've heard so many bad things about the MiG's maneuverability, but it's hard to imagine that those big wings in straight sweep wouldn't out-turn the pencil. Maybe.
The common misconception that MiG-23’s had terrible maneuverability comes from the United States getting ahold of variants with literally the worst maneuverability of any of the 23 series. the ML, and later had among some of the best maneuverability, matching and even surpassing that of F-16’s of the time. (Even the M want too bad) They had great turning ability and were quite fast.
@@Notbigbird The ML improvements were primarily reliability related and some basic improvements in structure, engine, avionics etc. But NO MiG-23 ever matched the F-16 in maneuverability, nor even the F-15 for that matter.
@ definitely not the F-15, but the early F-16’s it would have been going up against it was about as good if not better in some respects
@Notbigbird In some respects like BVR performance, absolutely. The early F-16A was a day fighter, like the most pimped-out Sabre imaginable. But, those things also RIPPED in a turn fight. Killer sustained turn rate - even better than the modern ones. The Eagle was king in the one-circle until the Hornet (and arguably Fulcrum and Flanker) came out, but nothing out-rated an early Viper. I could maybe believe that a late-model MiG-23 could do something in a radius right against an F-16A because that early FBW had a pretty nasty AoA limiter. But no way they were playing ball in a rate fight against that little monster.
the soviets got a hold of a Northrop F-5 from Vietnam and they tested it against the Mig-23 and it beat the Mig-23 every time they tried.
So I can’t confirm this next part it’s just a theory of mine, but when you look at the leading edge design on the Mig-29 it's very similar to the F-5s. i think due to the fact that neither the Mig-21 or Mig-23 could beat an F-5 the Russians became overly fixated on super manoeuvrability.
No they became super manoeuvrable because US doctrine said that all planes had to visually identify their targets, this meant they had to get close and that lead to dogfights instead of using the over the horizon missiles
this is a great video and I love to hear his perspective but it's just strange knowing the first went on second
The intel community tells the powers that be, that EVERY new russian plane, tank, ship, satellite, ect is gonna be the thing that kills us all....why? Easy, so they get a hike in their budget!
"Constant Peg" is why he is wearing that neck brace. All things in moderation, kids.
Constant peg had to be the pain in the Soviet's rear
Its funny that he pops his collar.
I'm sure this guy is trying to start a trend.
Indian Air force took out 2 mig 23 dual seat variant from decomission for TAC-D ( just like topgun in America )
I owned 6 Mig 23 simulators..called the F-16N, flown properly, just ike a Mig-23...
I can't help thinking this is som regular guy buying a Mig23, and got his neck hurt crashing it
They stopped using the mig23 because the variable swept wing system was a dangerous design and was shown to be unreliable. That's also why the F14 tomcat was discontinued as well because it was known to have accidents and hydraulic failure. Cool design but hard to reliably implement due to the extreme g forces involved with dogfights.
Similarly, the US got their hands on a Mig-21, leading to some cursed ass images of a mig with american symbols
Is this guys neck perpetually broken
Fly out of Stead?
The HOT SHOTS movie Plane
It does look a bit like Folland Gnat, now that you say it
My ex girlfriend also had a program called 'Constant Peg.' I wasn't a fan.
Why does he have a neck brace
Because it looks cool and not for any other reason
Soviets did some good shit.. nowadays Russia makes shit
You`r not turning very well too
You crashed into a prison again, didnt you Chief?!
A4 haha not supersonic
constant what now
What do you think about the fact your 4th Generation Fighters have never faced another 4th Gen fighter ? Meanwhile russian 3rd has beat your 4th ?
Russia has lost plenty of aircraft.
@spaceageGecko yes. Always to peer or higher Gen aircraft.
Modern Russian fighters have much better record. They don't have the numbers or 0 K/Ds but quality not quantity
@ If you want quality then US or EU airframes are still the way to go.
@spaceageGecko firstly Russia is European.
Secondly quality as in quality of kills.
The Eagles for example over 100 kills no deaths but over 90% against 2nd and 3rd gen fighters with remaining few export downgraded 3+ and 4th.
MiG-25/31 has a few dozen kills and maybe a dozen deaths. But the 25PD has regular hits against F-4s and F-5Es with hits against F-14As and an F/A-18C and it also mission killed an Tornado and F-15C.
The 31BM model has regular hits against Su-24Ms and MiG-29As with many hits against Su-27s.
Quality not quantity.
Western and eastern 4th gens have very rarely fought each other, and when they did, one side was generally downgraded export models, that much is true. However, I would not say that eastern 3rd gens have beaten western 4th gens. Sure, there have been a few cases of that, but for every time a MiG-21/23 shot down an F16, F16s shot down a 100 of these outdated MiGs.
Pride month really did a number on boomercon
So you had some incredibly paranoid and hysterical intelligence and military analysts back then.
MiG-21 was too quick and agile.
MiG-23 is addressed here.
MiG-25 was supposed to un-catchable super weapon, that cause F15 for be developed.
MiG-29 was supposed to be faster and better version of F16.
I am sensing a pattern here. 😂😂😂
I mean half of that is true.
The mig 21 WAS scary in Vietnam.
Quite fast and quite manouverable
Mig 23 was still a somewhat formidable aircraft.
The mig 25 was a quite powerful plane, even though it lacked maneuverability and range.
Mig 29 is better than an f16 in most ways other than versatility and agility
Mig23 shows mig27
A-4 does in fact not turn fast I got that off war thunder it turns like a fucking brick unless his talking bout a different plane
The a-4 Skyhawk did have a much smaller turning radius than anything which is not a mig 17 or earlier.
No More!!! Spend money on the people dying and failing
Any soviet and Russian plane with a competent trained pilot is the best Chuck Yeager proved it. Russian pilots certainly have in ww2, Korea and all the conflicts from Afghanistan to Chechnya to Syria to Georgia to Ukraine and even against US pilots interecepted and I'm not talking recon or bombers but also other fighters. Latest being a f-16 completely shitting his pants when getting too close to a Bear where he got swiped by someone he should have been aware of. Lucky the 16 has a good recovery system otherwise it would have tubled uncontrollably
Commander: We need migs, go get migs
Random dudes: Lets go get some migs,
Commander: Mission confirmed
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