Tim, this was a great tutorial for me. I have probably watched 20-50 TH-cam videos as I tried to get an overall picture of 'what does what' in a modern power suite and how to plan for what is/isn't necessary. This 34 minute video nailed it for me! Thanks. (You are a natural teacher too.)
Thank you very much Donald. Inverting hasn't been a problem (in regards to heat). But when it's pushing 120 amp (charging) it gets warm where I have it. Not good. I got to change it out. CUOTO
Excellent presentation Tim. Oh, how I pine for LifePo batteries and a larger alternator, but was limited to 90amp, so went to AGM's. Good call on removing the Panda generator. I just pulled one out of our Florida boat in Tarpon Springs. Anyone want one for parts? CUOTO's😄
Sounds like the only thing you’re missing is a Supah Wind!! Our mutual IP owner friend has one and I was surprised how quiet it actually is!! Great video!! Maybe in 10 or 20 years Mr. Fusion from Back to the Future will be a reality! 😂 #CUOTO
DC to DC charging of lithium can be appropriate for a smaller boat used mostly for weekend/week sails where you don't want to make big changes to the current install, but want more house bank capacity. It's becomes a cost/benefit calculation at that point.
Thank you very much for watching and welcome to the channel. I agree with you that for a small boat used for weekend sail, DC to DC charger would be adequate if you have a shore power source. Otherwise, you are still asking for a small charger to move a bunch of power over time. Time that you probably won't be motoring (or at least we can hope). Lol😄😎 CUOTO
Thank you very much for watching. Oh, you mean the line drawing of Paquita. Island Packet gives you incredible documentation with the boat. Every wire, pipe, hose and through hull are numbered and labeled. CUOTO
We did some study’s about all kinds of battery’s at our university. This to see if we could use it in a aircraft. Obviously that’s no sailing but the knowledge was welcome. A couple items stuck out. Cost versus usage. That’s more like how many times do you need the capacity per year. Lithium can’t stand sub zero temperature. It works best at room temps so te speak. Other batteries can handle a light cold temp better. Lithium needs more advanced monitoring systemen what results in extra cost. Lithium is a weight saver. On smaller boats that is a comfortable idea as space is not always available.
Not having finished watching yet, my personal guess at why cruisers are switching to Lithium: cost. These Lithium blocks are simply cheaper per Wh per year (I know you could factor out the time component but with these very long periods it gets hard to wrap my head around ;-)). They last longer and are bigger, so for the same load you need to buy less batteries and you need to buy them less frequently. Of course, with your increased loads, you need to have more capacity, so you end up buying more and that's what makes it expensive. Btw, it helps if you start thinking in Wh or kWh instead of Ah - with Ah, you always have to mention the voltage of the bank. It allows you to match your load to your capacity easily, calculate what it will cost when you charge up in the marina, etc. It also make is easier to think about layout of your battery bank - with a 48V bank, you only need 1/4 the wire gauge compared to a 12V setup for the same power delivered. (In theory, you could go to even higher voltages but you need to keep in mind the risk of electrocution at high voltages - getting zapped at a few hundred volts can ruin your day...)
Thank you for watching (i hope/assume, you did get a chance to watch the video). All good points, but one has to weigh benefits for each application. I appreciate your input and look forward to your future contribution to the discussion. CUOTO
@@svpaquita I did finish the video. :-) I did catch some confusion about units but I didn't want to nitpick, I assume you know the difference. I've watched videos from other boats (e.g. from Sail Life and their boat Athena) that went to 24V systems for the wire gauge, with a 24V alternator (less amps for the same energy!) and DC-DC charger to keep both 12V starter battery as well as a small 12V battery for the 12V electronics charged - you might want to check them out as well. Raising the anchor with just the battery seems to be neat. 🙂
It’s called GlobalLink 520. It’s a remote monitoring device with a 5-year pre-paid SIM card. Costs about US$215 on-line. Let’s you monitor the system from your couch.
Thank you very much for watching Peter. My Cerbo GX does that as well, provided it has Internet access (like Starlink). But now with the boat shut down, it sure would be nice to have. CUOTO
@@svpaquita My boat is on a mooring during the season, and like Paquita, currently on the hard for the winter. The GlobalLink 520 is great, because you don’t need access to WiFi in either location. The 4G LTE SIM card should work anywhere…
In just 6 months, LiFePO4 batteries are now at or below par to AGM Pb acid batteries. Lithium is the only way to go now. It's cheaper, per kWh, than Pb acid batteries.
I did visit your channel. Your channel video is good. but I saw your channel video views do not increase. So I researched your channel then I found problems with your channel. So, your channel video does not increase.
Thank you for watching and welcome to the channel. As I am sure you figured out, I am not a full-time TH-camr and post just for fun. But if you have any ideas, please share them. CUOTO
Nice overview but really.... "Proprietary" No thank you. Open and documented or go home. Is this box mine after I paid for it or not? Do I have the info to fix it if I need to? (my engine does) It has taken the nav toy companies a while to figure this out but they all have and they all talk NMEA these days. Victron needs to learn the same lesson. No blue boxes without protocol documentation please. I should be able to connect power toys from any manufacture together and have them work. You would not be Vlogging without open standards. Actually there are a whole host of things you would not be doing without open standards from wrench sizes to plugging is an AC appliance. Why are people switching to lithium? AN AGM battery has a limited life and has to be replaced sooner or later and lithium has become cheaper. A 100AH lithium battery cost the same or less compared to an AGM, gives more usable power, weighs about a third as much and takes less space as well. Most people still pay for a lead starter battery because they still do that job better than lithium. All the other things you list are true as well but even without those things, lithium just makes sense.
Thank you for watching. I have not found Victron to be closed architecture. Infact all of my Victron units all talk on the NMEA2000 backbone without a problem. My garmin MFD displays all of my Victron data. Maybe I'm just lucky. Thank you again for being part of the conversation. CUOTO
Tim, this was a great tutorial for me. I have probably watched 20-50 TH-cam videos as I tried to get an overall picture of 'what does what' in a modern power suite and how to plan for what is/isn't necessary. This 34 minute video nailed it for me! Thanks. (You are a natural teacher too.)
Outstanding! And you being a Patron even makes it better! Thank you very much! CUOTO
Thanks brother, I’m all in! But i gotta tell you, the brownie timer had me running around the boat looking at bilges…lol.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Sorry about that. 😂 I really appreciate you watching Sput!! CUOTO
It’s always good to put the inverter in a cool ventilated space. Help Increase the efenticy
Thank you very much Donald. Inverting hasn't been a problem (in regards to heat). But when it's pushing 120 amp (charging) it gets warm where I have it. Not good. I got to change it out. CUOTO
Thank you for reporting!
Thank you very much for watching and welcome to the channel. CUOTO
Electrifying !!!!!
😂😂😂😂😂 Thank you very much for watching Rick! CUOTO
The schematic was great and the comment re: the particular Chinese product was great. Years ago, many negative comments about Japanese products. 😮
Very true. Thank you very much for watching. CUOTO
This was a great discussion. I wish I would have seen it before I upgraded my electronics.
Thank you very much for watching and welcome to the channel. CUOTO
Excellent presentation Tim. Oh, how I pine for LifePo batteries and a larger alternator, but was limited to 90amp, so went to AGM's. Good call on removing the Panda generator. I just pulled one out of our Florida boat in Tarpon Springs. Anyone want one for parts? CUOTO's😄
Thank you very much for watching! Oh yes, a dead gen is not worth the weight or space on a boat. CUOTO
Sounds like the only thing you’re missing is a Supah Wind!! Our mutual IP owner friend has one and I was surprised how quiet it actually is!! Great video!! Maybe in 10 or 20 years Mr. Fusion from Back to the Future will be a reality! 😂 #CUOTO
😂😂😂😂😂 We can only hope. "Great Scott". 😂 Thank you for supporting the channels Ian! CUOTO
Great video Tim! Lots of helpful tips in there! -Bill L.
Thank you very much for watching and supporting the channel Bill! CUOTO
DC to DC charging of lithium can be appropriate for a smaller boat used mostly for weekend/week sails where you don't want to make big changes to the current install, but want more house bank capacity. It's becomes a cost/benefit calculation at that point.
Thank you very much for watching and welcome to the channel. I agree with you that for a small boat used for weekend sail, DC to DC charger would be adequate if you have a shore power source. Otherwise, you are still asking for a small charger to move a bunch of power over time. Time that you probably won't be motoring (or at least we can hope). Lol😄😎 CUOTO
Nice job on the video Tim! It was easy for me to understand what each component does. SV Penelope, East End YC Bridgeport.
Thank you very much for watching and welcome to the channel. Maybe we'll share an anchorage one day. CUOTO
Nice drawing. 😎
Thank you very much for watching. Oh, you mean the line drawing of Paquita. Island Packet gives you incredible documentation with the boat. Every wire, pipe, hose and through hull are numbered and labeled. CUOTO
Sailing to Hawaii this summer - very timely information for reviewing the energy plan. Thanks! #cuoto
That's fantastic Lance! I am super jealous. I wish I was making that passage. Be safe. CUOTO
3:20 - I thought you were going to explain how you just love ironing your shirts! Boy was I wrong LOL LOL LOL
😂😂😂😂 Crisalda does have two different irons onboard. 😂 Thank you very much for watching Heath. CUOTO
We did some study’s about all kinds of battery’s at our university. This to see if we could use it in a aircraft. Obviously that’s no sailing but the knowledge was welcome.
A couple items stuck out.
Cost versus usage. That’s more like how many times do you need the capacity per year.
Lithium can’t stand sub zero temperature. It works best at room temps so te speak.
Other batteries can handle a light cold temp better. Lithium needs more advanced monitoring systemen what results in extra cost.
Lithium is a weight saver. On smaller boats that is a comfortable idea as space is not always available.
Thank you for watching and welcome to the channel. All good reasons to cruise the tropics with a Lifepo4! CUOTO
Not having finished watching yet, my personal guess at why cruisers are switching to Lithium: cost. These Lithium blocks are simply cheaper per Wh per year (I know you could factor out the time component but with these very long periods it gets hard to wrap my head around ;-)). They last longer and are bigger, so for the same load you need to buy less batteries and you need to buy them less frequently.
Of course, with your increased loads, you need to have more capacity, so you end up buying more and that's what makes it expensive.
Btw, it helps if you start thinking in Wh or kWh instead of Ah - with Ah, you always have to mention the voltage of the bank. It allows you to match your load to your capacity easily, calculate what it will cost when you charge up in the marina, etc. It also make is easier to think about layout of your battery bank - with a 48V bank, you only need 1/4 the wire gauge compared to a 12V setup for the same power delivered. (In theory, you could go to even higher voltages but you need to keep in mind the risk of electrocution at high voltages - getting zapped at a few hundred volts can ruin your day...)
Thank you for watching (i hope/assume, you did get a chance to watch the video). All good points, but one has to weigh benefits for each application. I appreciate your input and look forward to your future contribution to the discussion. CUOTO
@@svpaquita I did finish the video. :-)
I did catch some confusion about units but I didn't want to nitpick, I assume you know the difference. I've watched videos from other boats (e.g. from Sail Life and their boat Athena) that went to 24V systems for the wire gauge, with a 24V alternator (less amps for the same energy!) and DC-DC charger to keep both 12V starter battery as well as a small 12V battery for the 12V electronics charged - you might want to check them out as well. Raising the anchor with just the battery seems to be neat. 🙂
It’s called GlobalLink 520. It’s a remote monitoring device with a 5-year pre-paid SIM card. Costs about US$215 on-line. Let’s you monitor the system from your couch.
Thank you very much for watching Peter. My Cerbo GX does that as well, provided it has Internet access (like Starlink). But now with the boat shut down, it sure would be nice to have. CUOTO
@@svpaquita My boat is on a mooring during the season, and like Paquita, currently on the hard for the winter. The GlobalLink 520 is great, because you don’t need access to WiFi in either location. The 4G LTE SIM card should work anywhere…
great video very educational one can never have too many amps.G
Thank you very much for watching Garth! CUOTO
In just 6 months, LiFePO4 batteries are now at or below par to AGM Pb acid batteries. Lithium is the only way to go now. It's cheaper, per kWh, than Pb acid batteries.
Very true. Thank you for watching John. CUOTO
Well done. Did you also desgn the whole system yourself ? Or just do the install.
Thank you for watching Cliff. I designed myself, but I had help and guidance from a very good friend (Bell Labs guy).
You can buy a new Balmar 170A for about $800
Really? That's fantastic! Thank you for watching Peter. CUOTO
👍✅🏝👙😂
Thank you for watching all these years! CUOTO
I did visit your channel. Your channel video is good. but I saw your channel video views do not increase. So I researched your channel then I found problems with your channel. So, your channel video does not increase.
Thank you for watching and welcome to the channel. As I am sure you figured out, I am not a full-time TH-camr and post just for fun. But if you have any ideas, please share them. CUOTO
Nice overview but really.... "Proprietary" No thank you. Open and documented or go home. Is this box mine after I paid for it or not? Do I have the info to fix it if I need to? (my engine does) It has taken the nav toy companies a while to figure this out but they all have and they all talk NMEA these days. Victron needs to learn the same lesson. No blue boxes without protocol documentation please. I should be able to connect power toys from any manufacture together and have them work. You would not be Vlogging without open standards. Actually there are a whole host of things you would not be doing without open standards from wrench sizes to plugging is an AC appliance.
Why are people switching to lithium? AN AGM battery has a limited life and has to be replaced sooner or later and lithium has become cheaper. A 100AH lithium battery cost the same or less compared to an AGM, gives more usable power, weighs about a third as much and takes less space as well. Most people still pay for a lead starter battery because they still do that job better than lithium. All the other things you list are true as well but even without those things, lithium just makes sense.
Thank you for watching. I have not found Victron to be closed architecture. Infact all of my Victron units all talk on the NMEA2000 backbone without a problem. My garmin MFD displays all of my Victron data. Maybe I'm just lucky. Thank you again for being part of the conversation. CUOTO
@@svpaquitaMy mistake then, You made an effort to call the communication proprietary.