I have a handfull of RevTek and Trinity 10turn single wraps from the 80's that i blueprinted that will give that brushless a run for the money. (i love brushless) i turned the armatures, ran soft brushes and springs, vented the brushes with a .040 up the center(not thru) to allow gasses to expand w/out floating brushes, and shimmed the armature so it floated in the magnetic field then broke in @ 3.0V for 1.5-2 hours. 34,000 rpm as bought, 43,000 rpm when i was done. 4.5A no load, 30+ amps full
The de-bonding issue's were on the first generation of Leopard Brushless Motor's - the Version 2 that I have works fine and doesn't de-bond or at least I have heard they have sorted it out. I have the same motor in my FTX Vantage and it goes quite well with a 2S Lipo - want to try it with a 3S and it should do wheelie's and have a great amount of power. I estimate it is doing a good 40MPH now, maybe 42.
@otaner142 I am running a high torque setup for drifting as opposed to top speed and have not had any issues, the motor stays cool. I am using NiMh batteries
I am getting a (unknown chassis) but has a Subaru Imprezza shell and looks like it could be a Tamiya TT01 or TA01 Chassis and I am going to make it go Lipo with my SkyRC Leopard 60A ESC and the stock motor from my Vantage - 12t 3300kv - should still go pretty well, especially on 3S Lipo power. Even 2S will be enough as I think 3S is too much power sometimes.
The brushed motor is NOT a "24 Turn" motor. It has a 24 degrees timing, which is something complete different from the turns. It is a "stock" motor, so it's either a 27T or 19T. All Stock motors have fixed 24 degree timing.
and had a 2 wheel drive RC10 that put it all to the ground on clay oval. broke long standing track record first night with that setup. never lifted off throttle for 42 laps @ 4:03 min. ESC was DIALED racing prods. and batteries were Gates Gmax 1700Mah Ni-Cad hand matched 7 cell
if you want to go really fast with a little bit of work involved buy a kit (rolling chassis and add your own electrics (battery esc, motor and reciver) if you want to go decently fast buy a traxxas slash or somthing like that and up a 3s lipo or somthing the car can handle in there (then the next question is can you hadle it?)
If I want to change motor to brushless, I have to change ecs, or can i have stock ? I`m going to buy Tamiya TT-01 with Skyline body, so i am curious :) btw nice car :P
Huge difference. Now you need a 3c lipo battery and actually get that thing flying. I would say it would be 3 times as fast as that 2nd vid with an 3c 11.1v lipo
Then you will need to upgrade the ESC too and possibly parts of the chassis and gears to cope with the sheer power. Could be a costly upgrade if you chose to do that and strip your gears and/or snap drive shafts....keep losing grub screws.
Ha Ha, I still run the stock Kyosho LeMans 240S in my 1986 Kyosho Turbo Optima 4WD. My little RC still runs amazing, does about 35mph on 26 year old technology. 75mhz AM transmitter/receiver, 14T pinion w/ torque limiter, 41T spur gear, 8.4V 4200 NIMH. And . . . it's worth more than the new technology cars.
@305dade8a Yeah that bracket I built had a cool angle... I wanted to make more drift videos with it but the camera had issues.. I now have a Flip HD so new vids this summer
Put 19t motor in it and gear it right and will be much faster.its all to right set up.even with brushed motor u can achieve higher speeds.if u use nimh change connector to dean to banana or xt60 amd u will see increase nin speed by low cost
You forgot to mention that a brushless costs more than a brand new TT-01 with no tunes and upgrades lol. If only I had the money... I would go drifting with my TT with its RX-7 shell
That proof was in the pudding higher spur and it would went faster I've got bough My brushless 13T and my 11x3 brushed bough using same spur and a 4600 lipo was close actually the brushed was faster but the brushless was smoother but the temperture on the brushed was very hot but the brushless was about 145 so love the car
What battery are you using? I tried a Lipo 3 cell 5000mah on my 3000Kv Leopard and it almost burned from so much heat! Do you think the battery was too much or is there something wrong?
Simple, this video was for someone who wanted to see the benefits of upgrading from a stock brushed motor to a basic brushless. I know there are some nice brushed motors that are powerful, and I know that there are much nicer brushless motors that are out there. That wasnt the point of this video.
It's fine if you drive it gently but if you are using it to do burnouts and wheelie's you put a lot of strain on the gears. I tend to drive my buggy gently with the same motor as in this video (4370kv 9t) and it is fast on 2S but I am getting a 3S tomorrow, subscribe if you want to see the FTX Vantage with said motor and 3S go!!
the "540" size coreless motor i have in my 5 link sc10 will eat a brushed or brushless motor regardless of turns for lunch.0-102000 rpm in .21 second..nuff said :)
That is ridiculously slow for a brushless even on nimph batteries. My first brushless was a 5700 kv warp flux an I still hit 65 mph on a 2 cell lipo. Now 60 mph is slow to me since I use castle neu motors 1521, my lowest sped is 110mph.
How can you compare that crappy non rebuildable Kyosho brush motor to a brushless? You should compare it to a Trinity c027 or p2k2 or hell even a komoda dragon 19t.
It's common sense. Please do some research comparing each motor design and compare and bring the result. And I have knowledge not because my mommy but at a young age I was helping my dad build and tune racing brush motors to motor tuning companies. Most 12years old weren't winding armatures on modifies or brush tuning 27turn stocks.
Why brushed though? Brushless is more efficient, more run time, no brushes, and on lipo faster than a brushed on lipo. Brushed motors belong on crawlers... that's where they excell
aerial wheel like I said, brushless is more powerful, more efficient, lower maintenance,.. over all better. A 7-turn brushless on lipo will smoke the 7-turn brushed motor. brushed is old technology. Not saying brushed bad, I actually use them on my crawlers (reduces cogging). as for brusless wires, I think I can live with one more wire for that added performance.
Jose Martinez i know brushless is said to be "more efficient" but this was not a fair comparison. i never switched to brushless because i still had the fastest car around with brushed and lipo. it would probably do 120mph topped out. not exaggerating.
aerial wheel You are absolutely correct about this video not being a fair comparison. That's why I said if you put a 7-turn brushless motor against a 7-turn brushed, both on lipo, same gearing ratio, the brushless would win all day (now this is a good comparison). Not saying brushed can't be fast, just not as fast as a brushless
my brushed motors are way faster than your brushless motors. throw a 7t single with good magnets and brushes in there. to get a brushless system to compare to that would cost around $300. $15 for a used Cyclone ESC and $13 for an old 7x1 motor. can't beat that.
Then you should have titled this video "RC Motor upgrade", otherwise it will logically be inferred that you are comparing the difference between the motor types.
I have a handfull of RevTek and Trinity 10turn single wraps from the 80's that i blueprinted that will give that brushless a run for the money. (i love brushless) i turned the armatures, ran soft brushes and springs, vented the brushes with a .040 up the center(not thru) to allow gasses to expand w/out floating brushes, and shimmed the armature so it floated in the magnetic field then broke in @ 3.0V for 1.5-2 hours. 34,000 rpm as bought, 43,000 rpm when i was done. 4.5A no load, 30+ amps full
The de-bonding issue's were on the first generation of Leopard Brushless Motor's - the Version 2 that I have works fine and doesn't de-bond or at least I have heard they have sorted it out. I have the same motor in my FTX Vantage and it goes quite well with a 2S Lipo - want to try it with a 3S and it should do wheelie's and have a great amount of power. I estimate it is doing a good 40MPH now, maybe 42.
@otaner142 I am running a high torque setup for drifting as opposed to top speed and have not had any issues, the motor stays cool. I am using NiMh batteries
new motor looks great, good vid , hope your enjoying your fruits
I am getting a (unknown chassis) but has a Subaru Imprezza shell and looks like it could be a Tamiya TT01 or TA01 Chassis and I am going to make it go Lipo with my SkyRC Leopard 60A ESC and the stock motor from my Vantage - 12t 3300kv - should still go pretty well, especially on 3S Lipo power. Even 2S will be enough as I think 3S is too much power sometimes.
Cool I got the same motor and put it on my traxxas stamped it worked grate I also herd they fixed the leopard motors so they wont debond
The brushed motor is NOT a "24 Turn" motor. It has a 24 degrees timing, which is something complete different from the turns. It is a "stock" motor, so it's either a 27T or 19T. All Stock motors have fixed 24 degree timing.
Thanks brotha from anotha mutha. I needed that!!
that's some nice drifting. starting at 1:15
and had a 2 wheel drive RC10 that put it all to the ground on clay oval. broke long standing track record first night with that setup. never lifted off throttle for 42 laps @ 4:03 min. ESC was DIALED racing prods. and batteries were Gates Gmax 1700Mah Ni-Cad hand matched 7 cell
Hi!! nice rc car.
Sorrybut, what is the numbrer of reference of the metallic blue cooler, the part that is over the motor. Thanks!
if you want to go really fast with a little bit of work involved buy a kit (rolling chassis and add your own electrics (battery esc, motor and reciver)
if you want to go decently fast buy a traxxas slash or somthing like that and up a 3s lipo or somthing the car can handle in there (then the next question is can you hadle it?)
@blabloomoo Rcmart are where I got my parts from.. Heatsinks are made by Yeah Racing.
@traxxasBashFreak I know, it took me a while to figure it out, its fixed now.
If I want to change motor to brushless, I have to change ecs, or can i have stock ? I`m going to buy Tamiya TT-01 with Skyline body, so i am curious :)
btw nice car :P
yes if you want it to run longer
I wish strange music went off everytime I start my rc car.
It can if you look it up
Huge difference. Now you need a 3c lipo battery and actually get that thing flying. I would say it would be 3 times as fast as that 2nd vid with an 3c 11.1v lipo
Then you will need to upgrade the ESC too and possibly parts of the chassis and gears to cope with the sheer power. Could be a costly upgrade if you chose to do that and strip your gears and/or snap drive shafts....keep losing grub screws.
where did you get that heat sink from been trying to find it can you help me out? and nice video
yes, but the question is
will it blend?
Palease. Think about it...He used a crappy brushed 540 size motor, to a 380 size brushless motor. I don't know but it sounds more than fair to me.
Which one was faster? The music changed--was that a hint that the second one was fast
lmfao
Ha Ha, I still run the stock Kyosho LeMans 240S in my 1986 Kyosho Turbo Optima 4WD. My little RC still runs amazing, does about 35mph on 26 year old technology. 75mhz AM transmitter/receiver, 14T pinion w/ torque limiter, 41T spur gear, 8.4V 4200 NIMH. And . . . it's worth more than the new technology cars.
@305dade8a Yeah that bracket I built had a cool angle... I wanted to make more drift videos with it but the camera had issues.. I now have a Flip HD so new vids this summer
Hi!!!Where are you buy the cooler of the brushless motor?!Wich is its reference?Thanks
what the name of the second song, it's dope...
what gearing are you using with that tires? and whats the outer diameter with the tires? are those offroad tires?
24 Turn? Don´t you think it´s unjust? If you'd had one less taken many turns, I could understand you.
Put 19t motor in it and gear it right and will be much faster.its all to right set up.even with brushed motor u can achieve higher speeds.if u use nimh change connector to dean to banana or xt60 amd u will see increase nin speed by low cost
What are you settings of the leopard program card?
What pinion gear and spur gear are u using?????....I got the same tt01 and want to get the same motor....can u help???
@Fadeaway97 quick answer is no, but im sure it can be made to work, it just might not be worth the hassle. Try LMGTFY site.
you had any issues with the esc or motor?? im thinking of getting this for my sprint 2 drift
Do u have to run a lipo battery with the motor??????
Are those two system similarly priced?
How in the name of god can you fit a BL in a TT-01? it kept trashing my spur gears with a 13.5T motor :/
Hey can I put a 1/18 motor combo in a 1/10 car
i've never missed the sound of a tt01...
where did you get the body for that car
You forgot to mention that a brushless costs more than a brand new TT-01 with no tunes and upgrades lol. If only I had the money...
I would go drifting with my TT with its RX-7 shell
That proof was in the pudding higher spur and it would went faster I've got bough
My brushless 13T and my 11x3 brushed bough using same spur and a 4600 lipo was close actually the brushed was faster but the brushless was smoother but the temperture on the brushed was very hot but the brushless was about 145 so love the car
you've got the pinion gear way to close to spur gear that's why it sounds like that should have some play in it
Tim inman Inman thank you for this. I am trying to figure that out currently
What battery are you using? I tried a Lipo 3 cell 5000mah on my 3000Kv Leopard and it almost burned from so much heat! Do you think the battery was too much or is there something wrong?
im pretty sure leopard doesnt recommend using anything over a 2s. i got their 9t 4370 off of amazon and it was in their description.
How much did you spend on the new motor?
dou you used lipo with brushed?
i like the music
@nedrabod my stock motor is 12t
Simple, this video was for someone who wanted to see the benefits of upgrading from a stock brushed motor to a basic brushless. I know there are some nice brushed motors that are powerful, and I know that there are much nicer brushless motors that are out there. That wasnt the point of this video.
cool brushless motor
It's fine if you drive it gently but if you are using it to do burnouts and wheelie's you put a lot of strain on the gears. I tend to drive my buggy gently with the same motor as in this video (4370kv 9t) and it is fast on 2S but I am getting a 3S tomorrow, subscribe if you want to see the FTX Vantage with said motor and 3S go!!
Where's the wing on dat monsterr
I like the songs as wells. fitting for each model! uheuiehhe
This is not a fair comparison! the tie-rods are different!
what was the gear ratio?
24t you say? 27t is stock
You used a 24 turn motor of course it's going to go slow!!
The only reason why its cool is cuz of the heat sink but i have one question, can i just buy the esc from nitrorcx.com
the "540" size coreless motor i have in my 5 link sc10 will eat a brushed or brushless motor regardless of turns for lunch.0-102000 rpm in .21 second..nuff said :)
how much did it cost?
is that under load?
Where'd you get that rebel rouser remix from?
Trusts Liars G & G Sindikatas. Lithuanian rap group
I have the same setup good so far 42mph
ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO GET motor upgrades for my mini lst? i want it to be a lot faster
That is ridiculously slow for a brushless even on nimph batteries. My first brushless was a 5700 kv warp flux an I still hit 65 mph on a 2 cell lipo. Now 60 mph is slow to me since I use castle neu motors 1521, my lowest sped is 110mph.
apples to oranges here..
@nedrabod oops! thanks for catching that
Feel the love.
dont you hate drifters when the rocks in the body
How can i program it that way damnit
i love brushless motor
I liked the brushed motor with the kiddie music better
no update so far ...soo no problem.. :D brushless for ever!!!
Still running well! Just upgraded to lipo so it really rips
video blows thumbs up to apple boy!
How can you compare that crappy non rebuildable Kyosho brush motor to a brushless? You should compare it to a Trinity c027 or p2k2 or hell even a komoda dragon 19t.
It's common sense. Please do some research comparing each motor design and compare and bring the result. And I have knowledge not because my mommy but at a young age I was helping my dad build and tune racing brush motors to motor tuning companies. Most 12years old weren't winding armatures on modifies or brush tuning 27turn stocks.
music at the begin make me think about mario ^^
it needs more cowbell.
of course you can ;)
try that with a 7-turn brushed on li-po.
Why brushed though? Brushless is more efficient, more run time, no brushes, and on lipo faster than a brushed on lipo. Brushed motors belong on crawlers... that's where they excell
a 7-turn (6-cell) brushed motor would smoke that brushless setup. and no brushless wires everywhere.
aerial wheel like I said, brushless is more powerful, more efficient, lower maintenance,.. over all better. A 7-turn brushless on lipo will smoke the 7-turn brushed motor. brushed is old technology. Not saying brushed bad, I actually use them on my crawlers (reduces cogging). as for brusless wires, I think I can live with one more wire for that added performance.
Jose Martinez i know brushless is said to be "more efficient" but this was not a fair comparison. i never switched to brushless because i still had the fastest car around with brushed and lipo. it would probably do 120mph topped out. not exaggerating.
aerial wheel You are absolutely correct about this video not being a fair comparison. That's why I said if you put a 7-turn brushless motor against a 7-turn brushed, both on lipo, same gearing ratio, the brushless would win all day (now this is a good comparison). Not saying brushed can't be fast, just not as fast as a brushless
Gears!!!
its a tt01. not really a comparison
@718mattmatt Why are you asking me? Go on nitrorcx.com and see if they sell just the esc lol
yes
@1234mantas1234 LoL.. Neblogas ne?
you should change the title, dude
my brushed motors are way faster than your brushless motors. throw a 7t single with good magnets and brushes in there. to get a brushless system to compare to that would cost around $300. $15 for a used Cyclone ESC and $13 for an old 7x1 motor. can't beat that.
My 12 turns brushed motor go faster than your brushless one... only changing the pinion gear
Replacing a V6 with a V12 engine XD
This video is non-sense, cannot compare an rotten apple against a freshly picked apple. AMATEUR ! ! ! geeezzzz.....
Throw in a nx15 nitro engine and 2 speed transmission haha
Then you should have titled this video "RC Motor upgrade", otherwise it will logically be inferred that you are comparing the difference between the motor types.
Lol my 1/36 losi micro t runs twice as fast as that shit lol... Great demo though..
The Brushed motor is very slow
hsp buggy 1/10 so same here but by 100 kmh
Brushless Better!
y need a plane to get speed
Get a buggy man you're car looks slow with brushless
I SAW ALOT OF SPUR GEARS,, might wanted mesh those up proper, sounds fucking awful!
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rather normal brush motor is better
@1234mantas1234 ahahahaahahhahahaah
Yeah duh!