The Trinity: a Muslim Perspective
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- The Trinity: a Muslim Perspective, taken from a lecture given to a group of Christians in Oxford by Shaykh Abdal-Hakim Murad. Full text here: masud.co.uk/ISLAM/ahm/trinity.htm
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I never understood the trinity the entire time I was a Christian. I got so tired with getting the runaround whenever I asked pastors about it, I finally gave up the notion and only prayed to "God the Father." Alhamdulillah I found Islam at age 70.
Alhamdulillah. May Allah preserve you
You were cutting it close.
@@NeoLegendX
Lol, you're not kidding. Thankfully I'm in good health and might make it another 10 years, Insha Allah.
@You Say
I consider the trinity as Shaytan's most successful endeavor, afflicting almost 2 billion people.
@@thewallcometh1444
The trinity is just a part of his idolatrous way.
Making them believe in the hindu one or Egypt one or whichever, it's all the same.
I don't know how I reached this channel, subscribing this channel was one of the wise and useful decisions I ever made because my belief strengthens by every video, I am sure there will be many more like me, May Almighty reward Mr. Paul accordingly.
Ameen!
As a person who was born a Roman Catholic, let me say that all Christians accept this ridiculous concept of the Trinity is because we are trained from childhood to accept as true whatever the priests tell us. So we don't care to challenge these doctrines.
That too but its more to do with defending European way of life . Christianity was built perfectly to suit European people way of life such as alcohol , celeberating pagan holiday Christmas , living free , singing , eat pork , obessesion of having a statue or idol etc . They love the idea all they have to do is accept Jesus as part of Trinity and they are good to go .
@@blitzbees890 Sad but true. Priests came to attain an exalted status in Society. People looked up to them and accepted as true whatever they said. Dissent would lead to excommunication. Branded as 'heretics' and so on.
Convert to Islam already ;)
@@hassanmirza2392 Converted 3 years back. Read the Holy Quran daily, say namaz, observe Ramadan fast and other fasts.
@@hazeldmello5800
MasaAllah sister...welcome!
The truth is prevailing.
The time is near.
Ur efforts are priceless .May Allah bless u with more knowledge, wisdom,health,wealth and his closeness.
The truth is prevailing that many are leaving Islam due to Quran been exposed massively at this point of time. The next country that many will be Christian is Indonesia.
Brother Paul, Salam Alaikom, Much blessings to you. I always believed Jesus was not God. My English teacher sent me to detention. One day I was reading a book called jesus of Islam and by the time I finished reading the book, I picked my head only to realise, Jesus was standing in front of me. I saw him like I would see a another human being. He looked nothing like the painting of him in salvadori mundi or other images of him. He was a serious prophet and a messenger.
(Peace be upon him). Its very sad Christian world turned a mighty message of a mighty prophet into a messages of idol worship by making attributes of trinity. Catholic Church sold the biggest lies in the universe.
Peace from UK.
@there are 37differentqurans Maybe it's a hoax for you. wow, it's amazing how much nonsense one has buried in their heads. You guys have doubts about jesus being God, so you try discredit Islam and its founder prophet Muhammad, Those guys you have mentioned are all European, and European always have superiority complex, about their own selves, how can we be wrong??? We are mighty powerful, we turned our prophet into idol, loosers, sun still rises from the east.
@@marigold9736 Islam stands on the words of one person Jebreel who got no witness whatsoever! Still 180 crore people follow Jebreel with out asking any question! How sad!
@@truthprevails5173 we follow Qur'ans teaching.. No human beings can write a book like that..we are blessed..
@there are 37differentqurans Insted of shouting from the deep dark hole, be brave educate yourself about Islam, and keep your mind open. Do you see Muslim say bad stuff about bibles. It tells of killing children pronography destruction of trees rivers. And more, I won't embarrass you, because Allah says, if you keep someone's bad stuff hidden, then Allah on the day of judgment will hide my own shortcomings. May almighty Allah have mercy on us. Peace.
@@marigold9736 Sister, "Jesus" is not yours prophet, he's only for Children of Israel.
In fact, God send already prophets in Europeans lands but their names are lost.
Dr Timothy Winter is one of the top scholars I truly respect, his intellectual integrity and scholarship is impressive.
Dr. Timothy has been exposed so many time by so many Muslim scholars as an Islam hater, Christian who is using the techinc of The Call of The Prayer to convert Muslims to christianity or at least to put doubts in the heart of Muslims about their faith. More ever, so many Muslim scholars has exposed this dude called Dr. Timothy as a member of a secret group to destroy Islam.
For this moment, I do not have those videos. You may look for them yourself, and you will find them.
If you do not believe me just listen to his conference and ask yourself if that´s what really scholarly Islam thinks about Trinity.
@there are 37differentqurans 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that's all you deserve, go cry elsewhere
@A Laser Printer And this is another prophet of New Islam, listen to him and make agian your own conclusion:
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@there are 37differentqurans why ? do you want to borrow a nappy to put on your face after spouting all that nonsense that has been refuted especially Dan Brubakers research when he used Google maps to come to his conclusions and what's even worse his research on the manuscripts which again has been refuted, Try responding to the actual video which you can't because Paul spoke nothing but truth about your Christian history and you can't deny it pagan
That statement in tea short sip break was funny 😂 nice one Paul. May Allah SWT makes you firm in the straight path.
I have a question, why these wonderful types of videos are not so popular and well-known?
It's a sincerity that absolute truth is feared.
My eyes are tired and blurry, but you must have received your new camera, because the picture looks sharper 👍
And better sounding too.
he did it in this resolution cause not everyone in ths world has high speed connection in their home
I know I've said it before in other comments but: I just love this channel! I always find your insight and your choice of subjects and books facinating!! Always beautiful ma chae ALLAH!
“An Englishman must have his tea.”
@A Laser Printer beer 🍺 and cider.
@@stephensinclair3771 keep it halal my friend
@@jamaali2358 lmao
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Great video Paul. Just now I was recommended your channel. Ma shaa Allah it looks great. Shaikh Abdul Hakim lectures are also full of great academic work.
Congratulations for 30k subscribers😎
thanks!
Thank you, Paul for reading this and bringing it to our attention. More please!
i like the indication that forgiveness is something so different from paying the debt
you can't pay debt and be forgiven at the same time
also i hope you enjoyed the tea
Ultimate reality HAS to be simple, that really hit me because even before being muslim I always knew the concept of God had to be simple and it had to be something the unlearned and the learned can easily digest.
you are right, the concept of God must be very simple to understand for all human kind, be it a poor man, a rich man, the uneducated, the illiterate, the blind can understand. u don't have to be professor or priest or engineer to understand, making so many research paper on God existence.
The concept of ( GOD-YHWH) was not very simple throughout the entire Old Testament. The Jews were the only people with no image of a God.
The Israelites had no statue, no star, no animal, no half animal-human hybrid; nothing to wrap their minds around to define what "God was" . Their Ancient Near Eastern neighbors did.
Time and time again this idol-less religion led the Jewish people to create Idolatry ( symbolism) .
The concept of God was never simple. Jesus tells us in his usage of parables that it was never meant to be.
Matthew 13:10-11
Sir, could you make a video of how God came to be translated as Father in Western scriptures. How did this come about and who is responsible for it? I would be very happy to hear from you on this topic. I think this is a very, very important issue
Great insight paul, marvelous as always.
@@fedesetrtatio1 still watching david wood and apuss videos? You're so sad kid.
I wait for you to release your next video the minute I’m done watching your last released video. I appreciate what you do. You’re a plethora of knowledge.
May God guide to the straight path always.
I wish I can tag Ben Malik here.
What a great start to a day
it's 05:00 A.M. here,
May Allah bless you abundantly for your work!
Salaam!
@Shady Anderson- Oh, now he's changed the whole doctrine, removed the HG, and inserted our blessed Mary (Ra) as a god/goddess.
I have no idea though, which 2nd of the 3 created the universe.
@@fedesetrtatio1 The components of Trinity were always dynamic who knows due to high DYNAMIC EDITABILITY OF BIBLE, Who knows 2000 years later you come up with Quatranity and say Mary is a part of that or Pentanity and say Satan is also a part of it, for if there was NO Satan there is NO Salvation, or you might say the holy ghost is not a part of Trinity there is binity or might Even say Scholars have found the new Trinity and it involves Mary not the Holy Ghost, so Father Mother and Son, You people can Do anything,
for Christianity is the most dynamic religion ever known to Man for Christianity is a Man made invention if you were true believers of Christ you all would have been Jews.
@@fedesetrtatio1 I get that you don't have a logical response, so these kind of frustrated personal attacks are expected, but what's more funny is your realization that you spent your whole life defending following and preaching a lie and a human invention known as Trinity on the judgement day.
@@fedesetrtatio1 Arab Pagans: Our God has 3 daughters
Xristian: How can God can have daughters ? This is paganism
Arab Pagans: Ok, Who is Jesus then
Xristian: Jesus, Son of GOD
Arab Pagans: So you are pagan too
1. Islam stands on the words of one person Jebreel who got no witness whatsoever. Whereas Bible commands for minimum TWO witnesses. Same is the case of human court system too.
2. Jebreel spoke directly against :- 1.God of Bible, 2. the Messiah Yeshuah, 3. angel Gabriel, 4. Jewish prophets like Abraham, Issac, Jacob (Israel), Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel and so on. Also Jebreel spoke against the disciples of Messiah Yeshuah.
3. Means, Jebreel stand all alone on one side and right from God Almighty, Messiah Yeshuah onward on other side. Still Muslim brethren feel they must give total importance to the words of Jebreel alone and discard the words right from God Almighty onward!
4. Islamic prophet received revelations from Allah and he recorded it then and there on plain stones, camel bones, animal skin and palm tree leaves, with the help of Sahabis always available with him. Means, that was the original Quran. The Reference Quran!
Obviously Allah promised to protect and preserve that Quran for ever!
Now, the question is: Where is that Original Reference Quran recorded on on plain stones, camel bones, animal skin and palm tree leaves, as on today?
5. Why did Caliph Abu Baker ordered the compilation of Quran, which was not commanded by Allah or prophet when Allah himself promised to protect his Quran? Means, Abu Baker had no faith in Allah's words, right? And he compiled a Quran with the help of Zyed Ibn Tabit. Obviously an unauthorized Quran! However even this unauthorized Quran was not complete! One ayath was missing in it for so many years! No one could identify or realize the grave mistake! Finally Zyed Ibn Tabit while revising the Abu Baker Quran, on orders of Caliph Uthman, remembered about the grave mistake and added the ayath in the Revised Uthman's Quran! And he ordered the destruction of all other Quran materials!!!
6. Even the Revised Uthman's Quran had its own problems. Two solid Surahs were missing in it and also one ayath on stoning of adulterous women and verse of suckling the breast by adult men!
7. Abdullah ibn Masʽood was one of the four most prominent Quran teachers appointed by Islamic prophet. He totally disapproved the Revised Uthman's Quran too! Then, what credibility Revised Uthman's Quran got ?
8. Now Muslims use around 30 different ARABIC QURANS! See the links below please.
a. Display of 26 versions of Arabic Quran @ Hyde Park , London
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b. Why are there over 30 different Arabic Qur’ans? - Quranic Corrections Ep. 3
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9. Here is a solid example for totally different Arabic Qurans.
FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM HAFS
sihraani
... two works of magic ... 28:48
FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM WARSH
saahiraani
... two magicians ... 28:48
Obviously "two works of magic" FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM HAFS cannot be exactly equal to "two magicians" FROM THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO IMAM WARSH. Both cannot be true!
When that is the ground reality, many Muslim brethren still hold on to the belief that ""Allah sent the Final Testament, the Qur'an, and unlike the previous books, has never been changed.""
I really love how the channel is growing 😊😊😊😊
Fascinating as usual. I admire you and your simple, easy to comprehend and convincing presentations. May Allah place all your time & efforts in your record of good deeds, amen.
By the way, your cup of tea was very refreshing and appreciated since I am from Sri Lanka
New camera bro Paul..loving it ❤
Clicked the like button faster then a "missionary" commenting on this channel
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@there are 37differentqurans trinity is true because islam is false
thats logical fallacy mr aggressive missionary
@@rumarahman5817
😂 Not only trinity
Look @ this amount of Paganistic features just in Cmas..pfff🤦🏻🤦🏻
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@@rumarahman5817 Lol these "Christians" are butthurt...
6:05 That one sentance melts my heart
30.5k subs, oo yeah we are growing. Keep going brother Paul, keep up the good work. May God bless you 😇
I love how you always mention Dr Tim Winters/Abdal Hakim Murad opinions, I can sense you have massive respect for him. Hopefully one day we can see a discussion between you two haha
A scholarly perspective... Amazing! Thank you for all the hard work Paul.
@Shady Anderson Maybe, but it's not the Trinity. What are you trying to say, that the Quran does not mention the Trinity at all? Is that another reinterpretation as usual?
@Shady Anderson Does the Quran define trinity anywhere?
@Shady Anderson I read it. I do not see the definition of the trinity.
@Shady Anderson Have you not heard of the doctrine? Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
@@fedesetrtatio1 Arab Pagans: Our God has 3 daughters
Xristian: How can God can have daughters ? This is paganism
Arab Pagans: Ok, Who is Jesus then
Xristian: Jesus, Son of GOD
Arab Pagans: So you are pagan too
The truth is always easy to be understood and crystal clear
Negative. Clarity is not a Christian concept: Jesus specifically spoke in " parables" to conceal knowledge.
Matthew 13:10-11
Another wonderful video, thanks Paul.
Beautiful & compassionate narrations at the end. Thank you for sharing. Does Tim Winter provide the references to these 2 amazing hadiths you quoted?
Really appreciate your sharing brother Paul. I tried to read but can't understand much. This channel really educational
Hello sir, i hope you're doing well, Love from Canada.
Hello there!
@Shady Anderson hey fun fact worshipping Jesus peace be upon him and Virgin Mary is not commandment in the Bible nor Christianity ;D
@@fedesetrtatio1 Where does the Qur'an say, " Trinity means God, Jesus and Marry" ??? Bring your evidence Mr. Smartypants ...lol
It's absolutely ridiculous how Christianity or someone who is intelligent enough believe a man is God Jesus was messager and slave to Allah
Paul you are lucky that Almighty blessed you with wisdom and knowledge 📚
The new camera is 100% better 👍
thank you for bringing Timothy to the discussion -for me he is the leading Islamic thinker of this age -long life inshallah -i have two sheikhs from the west Tim and Rene Guenon (rahimahullah)
Dr. Timothy has been exposed so many time by so many Muslim scholars as an Islam hater, Christian who is using the techinc of The Call of The Prayer to convert Muslims to christianity or at least to put doubts in the heart of Muslims about their faith. More ever, so many Muslim scholars has exposed this dude called Dr. Timothy as a member of a secret group to destroy Islam.
For this moment, I do not have those videos. You may look for them yourself, and you will find them.
If you do not believe me just listen to his conference and ask yourself if that´s what really scholarly Islam thinks about Trinity.
Thank you for putting out such amazing content
@@fedesetrtatio1 lol your ignorance is mindblowingly absurd just like the unholy trinity, the Christians near Medina when that verse was revealed used to worship a trinity of Jesus Mary and father, and even catholics today worship Mary, nonetheless the verse youre talking about doesnt even define the trinity as including Mary but simply a warning to those who worship her.
@@fedesetrtatio1 I dont care about wasting my time with one of the most ignorant fools in this world, who ignore unambiguous passages like John 17:3 where Jesus clearly says that the FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD, WHICH BY DEFAULT MEANS THAT THE SON CANNOT BE GOD. YOUR GREAT DOCTORS OF DIVINITY LIKE AUGUSTINE TRIED CHANGING VERSES LIKE THESE😂😂. MOREOVER JESUS HISTORICALLY IN HIS LANGUAGE CALLED GOD ALLAH!
NOW PISS OFF BOOMER, MUTING YOU.
Salaam alleikum waramatullahi wabarakatu..
Kindly bring Bro Tim Murad on your channel.
Thanks for your great work.
Congratulations for 100k ❤❤ my love for you.
Thank you so much 😀
love from malaysia
Not even they get it.
The amount of definitions they attach to it is astonishing.
Each contradicts the rest
@@danzo1711 ah there is a Quran in the uk which carbon dates back to the prophet and is the same as today so...lol
@@danzo1711 and you seem like you just cant stop stalking me
Get lost you hood idiiiot.
Always seeking me out.
I'm not gay like you are.
@@danzo1711 The Quran is a book, Quran means recitation, the book itself, the inkt and all are not attributes of God. Only the text is the word of God. Quick example, if I quote you on a piece of paper, that paper is not an attribute of you nor is the inkt. It's just that the words written there are your words. Its simple.
@Lilia murah
He pretended to be a jew the other day.
Says jesus is one of theirs.
Lol
You find me Jews that show love for jesus.
@Lilia murah
He's been on Farids channel.
He's a special kinda dumb
AWWW YEAAAAH!!! 30K + subs wooo lets go!! 100 K come on fam.
Great Paul 👌
Very informative and interesting especially the concept of paying a debt via atonement and forgiveness !!!
STAY ALWAYS BLESSED
Imran Zaidi
Karachi Pakistan
Oh, my God!
SUBAHAANALLAAH!
How fascinating your explanations are!!!
You are a genius, actually, with the help of Allah The Almighty!
May Allah the Almighty bless you!
The faith must not corrupted with pagan beliefs..
It has to very pure, that only one and only God out there.. nothing else..
May Allah guide your path toward a true faith, a straight path that descend to Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ismael, Jacob, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus, and Muhammad..
God bless you.. 🙏🏻
Can you please share the link from which I can buy or read the text for myself?
Trinity in a nutshell,
“Makes each sect of Christianity to call each other heretics”
@@fedesetrtatio1 th-cam.com/video/ezuL-rxHlsk/w-d-xo.html
*HERE IS THE ANSWER FOR YOUR QUESTION♂️*
@@fedesetrtatio1 Talk about gaslighting
I would rather worship iblis n ifrit then worship a man just like me...at least demons are powerful n live a long time
@@kingofdetroit358 Dude, i see you in many comment about capturing the jinn, how many you have capture? Suggest to keep evil jinn in prison so they cant bothering people
@@kingofdetroit358 I understand but i wouldn't even go down that rabbit hole of thought. Allah is sufficient.
To ALL Christians: God ( Allah) Created Jesus pbuh without a father miraculously, Just like he He created Adam pbuh without a father & mother, Just just He created Eve (Hawa) Out of Adam's RIB. Also in nature God created Asexual animals these Are all examples to Humans of Gods wonders he just says "BE" and it becomes.
"He created Eve (Hawwaa'), and out of Aadam's rib"?
Allaah, in the Qur'aan (Kalaamu Allaahi), never mentioned Hawwaa', never mind from Aadam's rib!
Who do you believe? Allaah or the Ahaadiith / the Bibles?
The Ahaadiith and the Bibles are the same, man-made based on the hearsays of the its days, nothing to do with the facts of the reality!
Y do Christians call Jesus God coz He has no father but Dont Call First Animals who had No Parents. Simple thing Unable to understand by Christians. God creates what he wills.
@Nasser K
You tell me: where do you think Hawwaa' came from? And from where precisely did you get that? Please, provide the evidence!
hello blogging theology
You should try to read Surah kahf ( صورة الكهف ) every friday because it's said it opens the door of wisdom and relaxation between Fridays
@@fedesetrtatio1 You're wrong. God didn't say that the trinity is made of God, Jesus, and Mery. Just who told you that? The Quran doesn't say so!
This goes to show your ignorance, and your lack of ethics (from the disrespectful way you replied). Are these the morals of the Christians now?
Let me give you a piece of advice: Next time, ask before you make bold claims, otherwise, you'll look stupid just like you do right now. And just to correct you, God merely said in the Quran to Jesus " Did you tell the people to worship you and your mother beside me" Allah didn't mention trinity in this verse at all. Now tell me smarty:
Are there people who worship Merry (the mother of God according to you) today? The answer is YES, there are.
Are there people worshipping Jesus? The answer is YES!
Are people who pray to Merry consider her to be part of the trinity? The answer is NO!
So God referring to the people worshipping Merry and Jesus beside Him doesn't mean describing them as worshiping a trinity!
You should thank me now that I did you a favor and thought you this, never make that claim again or you'll look bad! If you have anything you disagree with then put it politely, that's what a truth seeker does.
@@fedesetrtatio1
loooool !! chill dude! is that all you got? Well, I have to admit, the only thing you were right about is that it's Mary and not Merry... Actually, I was half asleep then, and yet I easily dismantled your point!
By the way, how can you say the Quran got the trinity wrong when there isn't even a unified definition among Christians themselves as to what it really means, even after the council of Nicea, there are disputes about the role and real place of each person in the Godhead.
And yes, we know that the basic understanding of trinity is three persons, co-equal, with the same essence, and each a fully god, yet not three gods but only one god (tri-unity).
And what makes you think that you Trinitarians are special? The Quran says: "Don't say three", three what? did it say, three Gods? Three persons? No. Just three. So that includes YOU Trinitarians as well because YOU say three (persons). The Quran didn't get it wrong, it left it open. Why? Well, In a way, the Quran slaps everyone who believes in some form of three deities all at the same time, including religions that existed before Christianity, which believed in three Gods as well. So you're wrong. Next time try not to impose your understanding on the Quran or add to it words that aren't there. By the way: the name of the very doctrine you're defending is not even said by your God .... like ... are you kidding me?? forget the name, not even the concept itself is explicit in your scripture!!! And even with the ambiguous verses that could refer to the divinity of Jesus, you would rather take the ambiguous verses over the clear verses that say that The Father is the only true God!!! you're hopeless!
@@fedesetrtatio1 Genealogy of Mary wrong.
Sorry but NO. Since day one ( I mean at the time of the Prophet PBUH ), everybody knew that the ayah saying " Mary sister of Haroun " is a form of respect. Just like Arabs used to call an Arab person " Oh brother of the Arabs". How could your claim be right when even the Prophet himself in the hadith explained it? YES!! The prophet was asked about this verse by a companion, and the prophet said that the jews named their people after the names of their saints and good people of old. Imagine this!! you actually brought a misconception that has been answered 1400 years ago! Get an update dude!
@@fedesetrtatio1 You claim to have the holy spirit, and that you love your enemies.... Your filthy mouth says otherwise. And NO, I am not ignorant of neither my religion nor yours. You do pray to Mary, and in Islam, in God's word, that's taking them as gods. In fact, You can even take your desires as Gods according to Islam! That's the terminology used in the Quran. If you didn't know this, now you know! Next time, again, don't try to impose your distorted unreliable understanding on Islam.
The fact that I didn't even have to resort to insults shows the difference between you and ME! And I thank you indeed, but for solidifying my belief that Christianity just makes you reject logic, and abandon ethics of discussion! Thank you.
PS: The posterior is next to the place where God according to you went inside, so...
wait.. Jesus went into his mother's private part???????????? Jesus made his mother pregnant!!!!!!????? OMG! that's too much! not even pagans dared to say such things... I'm out! You're helpless!
@@fedesetrtatio1 Hindus: We have 3 Million Gods, but they are ONE
Xristian: Worship only one GOD. Not 3 Million gods
Hindus: Ok, What is Trinity ?
Xristian: Father, Son, Holy Spirit.Not 3 but One
Hindus: Hahah ..See we are same ..your 3 in 1 , ours 3 Mil in One
Hey Paul! Can you please also share your content on Spotify as podcasts please? Thank you in advance :) Peace be with you
May Allah bless you and increase your faith ..your blog is very enlightening
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and knowledge on this subject.
It's one of the infamous dogmas that cannot withstand real criticism but blindly traps those unwilling to question anything.
Sheep led by the wrong shepherd. 👍🏽😘
Absolutely superb!
Thank you for sharing, a very well presented explanation - should leave no doubt in any one's minds - especially when it was read in such a crisp and clear manner. Inshallah look forward to some good videos from you this Ramadan. All those who like Tim Winter (Abdal Hakim Murad) should surely check out the college he launched Cambridge Muslim College. they have some great online courses too.
Superb.
Great source of information.
I need to read the book again and again for couples of time to understand it's content. But listening to bro paul just amazingly easy to digest... Hmmmm... I think I need him to read all the books 😂
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Maashaallah brother
Terima kasih atas videonya. Terbaik.....
Thanks, Paul, for bringing to light this piercing lecture from Prof Winter. Trinity: revelation or human intellectual construction?
11:37 I'm not making fun of you Paul but that really did sound like "Sir Almeida, verse 75" 😅
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I actually thought that was what he said and was confused about it
Brother Paul, Allah swt has already said himself in the holy Quran that he has no children and no family members, these Christians who believe in trinity Must be deluded and be completely gone in their heads...Allah swt is to be believed and trusted not man, Allah swt has already got everything he needs, he doesn't have the need of anything especially a son, the throne of Allah swt is only for him alone,
No one else, it's not like that he's gonna retire, he's there for the eternity....
Allah huackbar...
Jesus Christ is God :)
@Ramzey Sahrt Ok God bless u
@@phoenixboy8279 The concept of God in Christianity is just flawed altogether. Imagine thinking he'd associate partners with him, pray to himself, submit to himself. This whole trinity aspect is so ridiculous, and the Bible has been corrupted throughout ages by man. The Quran has maintained its status as the book of God for over 1400 years. Memorised by millions in its own original language. A miracle in itself.
@@uniboss5519 no u shdnt criticize Christianity. I did not criticize any religion. My religion taught me to love others despite of differences. God bless u.
@@phoenixboy8279 My point is Jesus isn't God. ''My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt 27:46, Mark 15:34) You see the bible is so contradictory and so people have different concepts of trinity. I could ask 100 christians about the concept on trinity and get 100 different answers. I can ask the concept of God in Islam to 10,000 muslims and get the same answer!!!!
Isaiah 9:6......."For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given. And the government shall be upon his shoulder. And he shall be called Wonderful, Counsello,r the Mighty God, the everlasting Father. The Prince of Peace."
Ezekiel 18 20 the one who sins is the one will die the child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the rightrous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them
Trinity in a nutshell : A triangle which is actually a circle. Try explaining that.
3:11 Oh so that's where the hunger games salute comes from. Man, Hollywood so is evil. It's staggering.
Here's my response to that
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@@fedesetrtatio1 dude youre pathetic. Repeating the same argument over and over again does not make it right. Whoever paid you to do this they really waste their money.
@@fedesetrtatio1 there's no need for us to do any thinking here since the information you gave is false and you know its false. Again youre pathetic dude.
@@fedesetrtatio1 Hindus: We have 3 Million Gods, but they are ONE
Xristian: Worship only one GOD. Not 3 Million gods
Hindus: Ok, What is Trinity ?
Xristian: Father, Son, Holy Spirit.Not 3 but One
Hindus: Hahah ..See we are same ..your 3 in 1 , ours 3 Mil in One
@@fedesetrtatio1 lol never heard about mariamites? www.infoplease.com/dictionary/brewers/mariamites
@@fedesetrtatio1 lol so does mark 16:9-20 in the oldest codex vaticanus and sinaiticus but lo and behold...and the pagans christians still think that their bible is not corrupted...but hey maybe the dude who founded the term mariamites got inspired by the dove-shape god...
Paul still really enjoying your videos. Was wondering whether you were going to make any concern and your journey into Islam and testing the claims of Muhammad And the Quran et cetera
Holy spirit is Gabriel who ALLAH supported Nabi Issa with.
AS A MUSLIM ... I WATCH YOUR CHANNEL AND I LIKE IT .... MAY ALLAH GUIDE YOU .
You are one of the greatest scholars🙂🌷❤
@@fedesetrtatio1 Something that isn't right, no matter how much you try to put the blame on us for asking the question, remains that way.
While he’s knowledgable, is is not a scholar, he is only a student of knowledge
@@fedesetrtatio1 ok, so here's the question. What pleasured God watching his son getting brutally lynched that he forgave all past, present and future sins of his murderers?
Suppose a man slaps you, and the condition you put to forgive him is to slap you again. By doing so, he gets the right to slap you whenever he wishes, without getting punished.
@@fedesetrtatio1 Allah did not define the Trinity in that verse. Stop being disingenuous.
@@aquaisnotades thats right
That was indeed of interest, thank you very much Sir. I began pondering as you were speaking that the modern day Christian concept of Jesus being sacrificed so that mankind may be forgiven is quite paganistic. It implies that actual blood sacrifices are required for forgiveness. The Islamic concept requires one's recognition of the sin, sincere repentance, having the intention to never commit that sin again and of course asking the creator to then forgive one. Just thinking out loud... Does that make sense?
(لَّقَدْ كَفَرَ ٱلَّذِينَ قَالُوٓاْ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ ثَالِثُ ثَلَٰثَةٍۢ ۘ وَمَا مِنْ إِلَٰهٍ إِلَّآ إِلَٰهٌ وَٰحِدٌ ۚ وَإِن لَّمْ يَنتَهُواْ عَمَّا يَقُولُونَ لَيَمَسَّنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِنْهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ) المائدة 73
I keep on promoting this incredible channel Insya Allah.
Much appreciated!
Good one from Dr Tim , thanks, Paul. Bit of geometry and algebra required to see the concept of Trinity in simple terms An English evangelist also used this geometric diagram and Jay Smith quoted the algebra: simply 1x1x1= 1. QED.
What are your thoughts on Orthodox Christianity, where atonement isn’t necessarily a doctrine at all? (The focus is theosis)
Can u do a video on the sacrifice of Ishmael??
Thank you for your excellent scholarly research into this very important subject. This confirms how the Gospel of Jesus was corrupted thus requiring the renewal of the truth.
You are entitled at least to the "King Faizal Award".
But you do this channel for the sake of Allah The Almighty we know for sure!
Very powerful brain brother Paul. I like it from Mauritius.
Desiderius Erasmus (c. 1469-1536), a brilliant European scholar whose Greek New Testament work laid the basis for many translations to come, excluded those words from his first two editions (1516 and 1519) of the New Testament because none of the Greek manuscripts he consulted contained them. He was later pressured by the Catholic church to include them in his third edition of 1522. This series of Greek texts originating from Erasmus became known as the Textus Receptus, the translation-base used for the William Tyndale, KJV, and many other Bibles.
haha, love the nonchalant tea sip there
I like the tea comment :D an English man must have his tea
“We need not hesitate to declare our conviction that the disputed words were not written by St. John: that they were originally brought into Latin copies in Africa from the margin, where they had been placed as a pious and orthodox gloss on ver. 8: that from the Latin they crept into two or three late Greek codices, and thence into the printed Greek text, a place to which they had no rightful claim.” - A Plain Introduction to the Criticism of the New Testament (Cambridge, 1883, third ed.), p. 654.
Jolly good CHAP, great English gentry with his cup of tea ☕️😊
I remember the first time I met Abdal Hakim Murad (Timothy J Winter) in the Divinity Department at Cambridge University. He was in his office pouring over a book by the renewed NT scholar Geza Vermes. I did not ask him why he was reading Vermes but I suspect it was for an article he wrote later about the Trinity. I should say that I do not find Abdal Hakim Murad's views regarding the Trinity and the Atonement very convincing. If one accepts the Qur'an _a priori_ , as the absolute unquestioned axiomatic starting point for ones belief and practice, then of course one is going to reject the incarnation, the trinity and the atonement, but of course such an _a priori_ position is not going to be remotely convincing to non-Muslims. So what reasons does Abdal Hakim Murad adduce against these specifically Christian beliefs? To begin with I think that Abdal Hakim Murad is _only_ attacking a Magisterial Reformation doctrine of the Atonement, which is basically a form of penal substitution; but I would argue that most Christians (both now and historically) do not believe in penal substitution, and certainly the most renowned theologians (except Luther and Calvin) do not support it. Josef Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI), who can hardly be described as a revisionist or a liberal, wrote that many assume that "Christian faith in the Cross imagines a God whose unrelenting righteousness demanded a human sacrifice, the sacrifice of his own Son, and one turns away in horror from a righteousness whose sinister wrath makes the message of love incredible". (1) Ratzinger acknowledges that many think of the cross as demanding the sacrifice of God's own son to appease his wrath and (2) and that such a concept of "righteousness" leads one to "turn away in horror". So far Ratzinger and Abdal Hakim agree. However, Ratzinger goes on to say: "This picture is as false as it is widespread. In the Bible the Cross does not appear as part of a mechanism of injured right; on the contrary, in the Bible the Cross is quite the reverse: it is the expression of the radical nature of love that gives itself completely, of the process in which one is what one does and does what one is; it is the expression of a life that is completely being for others". Herbert McCabe OP, also a renowned Catholic theologian, says that penal substitution implies an "infantile" conception of God and makes us more compassionate than God. Rowan Williams, Sarah Coakley, David Bentley Hart, Ilaria Ramelli, etc., all agree with Ratzinger and McCabe that penal substitution is unbiblical and false. Moreover, I would argue that it is not accepted by the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Churches, the Coptic Churches, and by most Anglicans. So, Abdal Hakim Murad is _only_ really criticising a certain kind of Magisterial Reformation Protestantism descending principally from John Calvin.
With regard to the Trinity, I think it is best to commence with the Incarnation, since if the Incarnation is true then the Trinity is easier to accept. It seems to me that Abdal Hakim Murad is _not_ arguing that the Trinity is logically incoherent. But if it is not logically incoherent (or logically impossible) then it is at least logically possible. Now, it seems to me that the Incarnation is logically possible- or, in other words, that it doesn't contain a contradiction. You will say, perhaps, that God and man exclude each other _a priori_ : Christ cannot be both truly God and truly man simultaneously, just as a square and a circle cannot simultaneously coexist as a single object (a square-circle). This logic might appear convincing at first glance but it is really not convincing at all. And this is because x and y only exclude each other if x and y occupy the same logical space. There can be no such thing as a square-circle because both are shapes and shapes occupy the same logical space. And it is the same with such absurdities as man-tiger or man-snake because both are animals and therefore occupy the same logical space. But do God and man occupy that same logical space, such that God-man becomes logically impossible? Clearly not. I think all monotheists agree that God is _not in any of our categories whatsoever_ . (Surah Ikhlas: "Allahus Samad": Allah is absolutely unique). Since he is not in any of our categories whatsoever it follows that he does not occupy the same logical space as man; and therefore there is no _a priori_ contradiction in the notion of the God-man (as there is with square-circle or man-tiger). Now, needless to say, that does not _prove_ that the incarnation is true; it only removes the idea that it involves a contradiction.
It seems to me that basis of Abdal Hakim's denial of the Incarnation and the Trinity, aside from his _a priori_ commitment to the Qur'an, is that he thinks that the Incarnation is unscriptural. Now, in response to this I want to draw your attention to the fact that again Abdal Hakim is criticising the Magisterial Reformation more than Christianity _per se_ . The Reformers advanced the unscriptural doctrine of _sola scriptura_ as a basis for doctrine once they had rejected the authority of the Pope and the tradition. Therefore, all doctrines much be (more or less) explicitly contained within scripture for the Reformers. However, the Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox, the Copts and the Anglicans (for the most part) do not accept _sola scriptura_ . I think that the finest theologians would agree with Abdal Hakim that the Incarnation is _not_ explicitly stated in scripture; but I think that many would acknowledge that it is implied. In the Gospel of John, for instance, Thomas says to the risen Christ "My Lord and my God". Its important to understand the Greek to comprehend the full significance of this exclamation. The Greek says "ho kyrios mu ho theos mu". Thus the Greek for "lord" and for "God" here contains the definite article (the lord, the God). When the definite article is applied to "lord" and "God" in Greek it means God in the absolute sense of that term. For instance, in the Septuagint YHWH is replaced by "ho kyrios", whereas other "lords" are referred to _without_ the definite article. So, it does look as though Thomas is saying to Christ: you are God. There are other hints and suggestions in the NT as well; but since this comment is getting rather long I better move to another point. Professor Larry Hurtado, amongst others, has shown that the earliest Christians _worshipped_ Jesus: that means the apostles worshipped Jesus alongside the One God of Israel. Thus, the worship of Jesus is not a later Hellenic aberration, but a first century Jewish phenomena. And, finally, one could argue that the development of doctrine from the originally "seeds" contained within the belief and practice of the early Christians is legitimate. One can see how Nicea and Chalcedon might _logically_ develop from (1) the belief that Christ and the Holy Spirit save us (2) that the early church worshipped Christ alongside God (3) and that there are innumerable hints and suggestions in scripture that Christ was more than a man.
Complex though these issues are, and inadequate though my response is, yet nonetheless I think this might be the _beginning_ of a response.
@@humanityhere5584 Why the link?
Jesus A.S. is a man. It is counter intuitive when old testament taught Oneness of God, while new testament suddenly choose a backward plot of taking human as lesser God at His side.
There, only took less than 3 sentences to rebuke the conspiracy theory.
@@bayreuth79 tbh...
It is quite implausible tht the early Christians or atleast his disciples WORSHIPPED jesus...
As they where radical monotheistic and radical jews sect with strict adherence to law... and the most important of all is the pure monotheistic doctrine...
So idk wht "prove" as u said the named scholar showed tht jesus's disciples worship him ?
It doesnt add up especially given the fact they were meant to be best jews... not polytheist man worshiper...
So the fact still stands tht this jesus worshiping thing is only a pagan/hellenic later development...
And this is also position of other scholars
@@kingmosesix432 The fact is that it is the scholarly consensus that the early Christians worshipped Jesus alongside the One God of Israel. I refer to Prof Larry Hurtado, Prof James D G Dunn, Prof N T Wright, and many others. The earliest layers of the NT clearly reflect worship of Jesus.
We reject the trinity and following the real teachings of Jesus and worship only our father, our creator, our only lord...ALLAH SWA
Allah is not your father nor the father of anyone
Allah is the only true God SWT
If you follow Jesus you must follow Mohammed now
@@HH-H-H Allah is a metaphorical father to everyone...the Christian took it as literal that's the problem...
@@kingofdetroit358
Allah is beyound humain or any ctreatures brain could undrestand
You dont know yourself how to know who is Allah ?
Unless HE tells you what you may undrestand
Put your thinking in the right way and not crazy way
6 : 5 : then is to set up my own understanding as Muslim
Q : Did you covert sir? Thank you 🙏
I always wanted to know the answer of that question, what happens to Christian infants who die .
As per the Vatican website , there is a document answering this questions and in a nutshell the Christian fathers say that unbaptized infants go to hell but the Vatican thinks that “most probably” they won’t go to hell and this is what they hope but not confirmed .
What caught my attention is the Vatican statement “There is much that simply has not been revealed to us” and they refer to John 16:12 .
12“I have much more to tell you, but now it would be too much for you to bear. 13 When, however, the Spirit comes, who reveals the truth about God, he will lead you into all the truth.
If I could help the Vatican I would answer them that the spirit of truth came and gave us the Muslims the answer for that !
Part of the article :
So great was Augustine's authority in the West, however, that the Latin Fathers (e.g., Jerome, Fulgentius, Avitus of Vienne, and Gregory the Great) did adopt his opinion. Gregory the Great asserts that God condemns even those with only original sin on their souls; even infants who have never sinned by their own will must go to “everlasting torments”. He cites Job 14:4-5 (LXX), John 3:5, and Ephesians 2:3 on our condition at birth as “children of wrath”.[42]
End of the article :
Our conclusion is that the many factors that we have considered above give serious theological and liturgical grounds for hope that unbaptised infants who die will be saved and enjoy the Beatific Vision. We emphasise that these are reasons for prayerful hope, rather than grounds for sure knowledge. There is much that simply has not been revealed to us (cf. Jn 16:12). We live by faith and hope in the God of mercy and love who has been revealed to us in Christ, and the Spirit moves us to pray in constant thankfulness and joy (cf. 1 Thess 5:18).
www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070419_un-baptised-infants_en.html
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My comment was about infants and your reply is about trinity ? That is straw man fallacy.
Anyway, the word trinity is not mentioned in Quran so I don’t know what are you talking about .
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It seems this is your first time on TH-cam, you replied to my comment , you didn’t post a general comment to the video .
The video topic is trinity , my comment is about infants , I don’t know why am even wasting my time explaining this to you.
You don’t understand logic , neither even TH-cam lol, clearly any discussion with you will be total waste of time.
@@fedesetrtatio1 Hindus: We believe in TriMurthi God Concept, but they are ONE
Xristian: So do we , We believe in TriNity Concept of GOD, but they are ONE
Hindus: See, We are ONE
Xristian: Yes We are ONE
Me: Hahaha
@@tamimi8085 The Bible tells us the condition of the dead.
Eccl 9:5,10 - For the living know* that they will die,f but the dead know nothing at all,g nor do they have any more reward,* because all memory of them is forgotten.
Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave,*o where you are going.
The dead are simply awaiting a resurrection.
Almighty condemned trinity in Quran itself. This is not derived Muslim belief but a direct Divine condemnation not mere a muslim misunderstanding of trinity
@@fedesetrtatio1 trinity is an abomination and treacherous evil concept. Allah alone is the absolute Almighty sovereign free of all dependencies
@@fedesetrtatio1 the Allah I am talking about is the one Creator of all and rest are his creations. Divine Mercy is His core Quality and as His creation we are dependent on His Mercy to exist let alone exist well. The 360 idols were the first target of one true Faith, eliminated for eternity This is a Divine promise that evil will perish and will never be successful
@@fedesetrtatio1 first of all Allah means God. THE TRUE GOD. He existed before Muhammid if you don't know. The messiah called and prayed for God which is ALLAH. Allah wasn't "created" when Muhammid was born.. HE created muhammid, The messiah, Moses and it goes back to Adam and Eve. until christians came and invented the trinity. the flase belief.
@@fedesetrtatio1 .. ALLAH means GOD in arabic.. it means God.. Abd-u-allah means the worshiper of GOD. HIS GOD can by the true god and it can be a false one. you don't know arabic that's why your mind can't understand that. it's about ARABIC this time and NOT islam. GOD means ELOHIM in hebrew. understood?
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May Allah gide more good people like you to the true Islam 👍
I prepared my tea after I saw his tea 😂
Best explaination about it is Jesus had those who exaggerated him in Antioch and called themselves "Christians" far away from Jerusalem. and Ali had those who exaggerated him faraway from the originated city of Mecca and Medina and cllarf themselves Alawites.
1st!
Damn
Good video, just subscribed your channel 😀 In the Bible itself Jesus pbuh denies that he is God. Well, I think we all agree, that God knows everything and God does not lie. When Jesus was asked by a man, "when is the day of jugement", Jesus answered: " I do not know, only God knows." So I think Jesus says very clearly in the bible that he is not God.
Short logic but very strong!
Cite the verse in the Bible where Jesus DENIES that He is God please.... I'll wait for you. Perhaps you found new revelation since no Biblical scholars is aware of a verse where Jesus denies being God...Please give us the verse and highlight where Jesus says "Im NOT God." Thanks.
@@Ttcopp12rt Cite me a verse where he says straight forward he is .. where he says "I'm GOD" thanks.
@@noah118 Since your brother made the claim - we are now waiting for him to cite the verse (unless he's a liar). Let's see if he's truthful and cites where Jesus says "I am NOT God". ... Hopefully he responds soon.
@@Ttcopp12rt during jesus lifetime, no jews believe a man can become God . Later people tried very hard to deify man like Jesus. Read book "The Invention Of Jesus, how the church rewrote the new testament " by Peter Cresswell, 2013.
Hi Paul if it doesn't sound right then it's not it's just as simple as that may God bless you more
Thank you sir
you are welcome
I liked the video just for the thumbnail.
I really hope this man says the shahada before departing earth. Insh'Allah
“The passage [at 1 John 5:7] is absent from the manuscripts of all ancient versions (Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Ethiopic, Arabic, Slavonic), except the Latin....From the sixth century onwards it is found more and more frequently in manuscripts of the Old Latin and of the [Latin] Vulgate.” - A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, by Bruce M. Metzger (1975, pp. 716-718)
I did some research for you Paul also.
How about the John 1: 18. and Philippians 2:5-6, and 2 Peter 1: 2
There are plenty of other academic dawah givers. I think you need to look further. :)