You can win. (Not sure if you need high level) First phase is scripted (Attack Counter Attack Counter then Break) Second phase has ONE line where you attack (I'm sorry Seign, but you are not getting in my way). Seign won't counter this (you won't take damage) so counter the rest. Break immediately. Third phase, not sure about the buffs but you don't take damage so feel free to attack. "Fight harder Nowa" and "I'll never win if I stay on the defensive" is Attack. Otherwise Counter. Break immediately. (I suggest defensive buffs since surviving is the problem) Last phase. Spam counter until you are almost dead then Break. DO NOT BREAK IMMEDIATELY. If you notice, the tension bar at the last phase is kinda low. You want to fill it up as much as possible otherwise it has higher chance of failing. Leave the rest to RNG. thank you @puchimonextreme for this
@shanejohnson5509 I'm so glad to experience game like suikoden 1 and 2 now when I'm older near my 39, I remember back in the day suikoden 1 and especially suikoden 2 blew me away with story, music and characters.
@@paffyjr9446 I would, but recruiting them all again, and having to redo the mini games to even proceed will be annoying for me. Especially for the Shi'Arc Racing, which was a pain for me to do.
It is possible to win as long as you can get to part 4 and can use the break. With the break bar low it is completely luck based. I got it the fifth time. Probably the higher the Break bar the greater the chance of achieving it, until it is 100%.
The first time I tried this, I didn't even REACH the third break. The second time, I did, barely. I only even made a second attempt because the loading screen at fixing up the castle got stuck. >_
This is actually not the winning ending because Nowa still collapses. the winning ending is that you survive three attacks from seign after the under the bridge fight and then they have an epic clash so honestly, you have to counter as much as possible, and when nowa says he has to attack attack
Stuck at level 20 due to saving before the meeting. Slapped an HP rune on to try and make up the difference, It didn't matter. And I've heard tale of people who are level 30 that can't win. none of this makes any sense and it's frustrating.
What is the Song? The game is crazy good. I love it and this part brought me to tears because of the music and the presentation. Edit: i see you wrote it in describtion! Thanks a lot! 🙂
@@Jacklanton Actually, I watched a video where someone *was* able to defeat Seign and a different scene plays ont. Seign kneels defeated and allows Nowa's party to pass.
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You can win. (Not sure if you need high level)
First phase is scripted (Attack Counter Attack Counter then Break)
Second phase has ONE line where you attack (I'm sorry Seign, but you are not getting in my way). Seign won't counter this (you won't take damage) so counter the rest. Break immediately.
Third phase, not sure about the buffs but you don't take damage so feel free to attack.
"Fight harder Nowa" and "I'll never win if I stay on the defensive" is Attack. Otherwise Counter. Break immediately. (I suggest defensive buffs since surviving is the problem)
Last phase. Spam counter until you are almost dead then Break. DO NOT BREAK IMMEDIATELY. If you notice, the tension bar at the last phase is kinda low. You want to fill it up as much as possible otherwise it has higher chance of failing. Leave the rest to RNG.
thank you @puchimonextreme for this
Thanks. I give it a shot
But sadly i give up. I kept trying and trying but it is hard
Gotta admit. I think i keep losing to Seign cuz he trained a lot. Can’t blame him
honestly...that's such crappy programming. A scripted fight I have to memorize. I am not impressed with this game so far. It's linear AF
Gave it a try but seems like I'm a bit under level. Just gonna wait for someone to post their winning fight.
I AM SO INCREDIBLY ANNOYED THAT THEY DON'T LET US SAVE BEFORE THE DUEL SO WE HAVE TO REPEAT THE WAR EVERY TIME WE WANT TO REPEAT JUST THE DUEL
Not only you , I don't know why they didn't let us save game before , good that there is no achivment for winning this fight.
Agreed it is so annoying. Takes up too much time
@shanejohnson5509 I'm so glad to experience game like suikoden 1 and 2 now when I'm older near my 39, I remember back in the day suikoden 1 and especially suikoden 2 blew me away with story, music and characters.
So that you will move on and repeat it on the new game +
@@paffyjr9446 I would, but recruiting them all again, and having to redo the mini games to even proceed will be annoying for me. Especially for the Shi'Arc Racing, which was a pain for me to do.
Someone be cutting onion right as the music starts to intensify
It is possible to win as long as you can get to part 4 and can use the break. With the break bar low it is completely luck based. I got it the fifth time. Probably the higher the Break bar the greater the chance of achieving it, until it is 100%.
The first time I tried this, I didn't even REACH the third break. The second time, I did, barely. I only even made a second attempt because the loading screen at fixing up the castle got stuck. >_
Same thing happened to me
The music here is just soooooo gooood!
If she doesn't win best music in a video game this December I will lose faith in humanity
you guys do know there is alter scene that talks about this fight right? meaning if you can win it will be told diffrently
i spen 3 hour in this phase, and up level until 21 and still lose.
damn this tough and i like it hahaha
i cheated nowa's level to level 30 by cheat engine. cause im at level 23 and still losing.
@@phoenixdown1947yeah I was able to win at lvl 25 but it was strong luck
I wish they could do remaster of Xenogears
This is actually not the winning ending because Nowa still collapses. the winning ending is that you survive three attacks from seign after the under the bridge fight and then they have an epic clash so honestly, you have to counter as much as possible, and when nowa says he has to attack attack
.. Hmm nobody said this is winning ending. The winning tips provided after this was uploaded
Stuck at level 20 due to saving before the meeting. Slapped an HP rune on to try and make up the difference, It didn't matter. And I've heard tale of people who are level 30 that can't win. none of this makes any sense and it's frustrating.
It is RNG based on many experiences. Theres no exact way for now to gain absolut win
@@Jacklanton That's something else I've been reading... absolutely not my favorite inclusion to the game play
If you have an Autosave it will be right before you enter the main city so you ca go back to the overworld from there.
Music was amazing!!
What is the Song? The game is crazy good. I love it and this part brought me to tears because of the music and the presentation. Edit: i see you wrote it in describtion! Thanks a lot! 🙂
Song is “Flags of the Brave”
Is there away to defeat seign without getting defeated?
I just pinned a commenr about winning it
@@Jacklanton that’s… little bit confusing
@@xRedWildx ok im gonna repinned something, you can try again read the pinned comment
@@Jacklanton alright then. But you’re getting subscribed for helping us. And being a good man, Jack
kok anda sudah bisa maen pak J, saya kan juga mau
Tenang pak. Nnti tgl 20 ada patch yang bikin save nya corrupt, jd pasti main dr awal lg
Lah indo
Still losing on hard diff.. The damage i got when counter is too high
Just defend and you get the best ending! Oh... Wait... Wrong game.
Suikoden 2 Joey last fight? That battle was a good closure for that masterpiece game.
So wait, if you prolong this, the fight ends the same?
yes. it also didn't affect story at all
@@Jacklanton Actually, I watched a video where someone *was* able to defeat Seign and a different scene plays ont. Seign kneels defeated and allows Nowa's party to pass.
@@joeywomer i mean you only got different cutscene. But after this point, no affect to main story.
Is this fight easier on Ng+ actually ?
it is still rng from what i read
Is this fight winnable? I've tried 3 times to beat Seign.
How can you already play?
@rody6551 a lot of us with physical copies from the kickstarter campaign got it earlier
Ha, ok .Thxs
With gameshark
I'm pissed that I lost this immediately. I didn't even get to the cool part under the bridge
ummm r they boyfriend girlfriend, they talk so passionately to each other, with a lot of burning sensation to the groin area
Menang kalah berpengaruh ke cerita kah?
nggak kok, aman
DO you need to win this fight?
Nope at all
Is it necessary to win the fight?
He he
This is winnable?!?!
Just like in pinned comment
Anyone got the theme name for the fight?
Flags of Brave by Sarah Alainn
It is on the description
I thought that was a Japanese song singer is not japanese..
cannot win... it design to lose... 😅. lv17 impossible to win
brok gw udah ngikutin tp masih kalah, fix kata lu itu RNG
paak ko sudah bisa mainn :( jadi gasabar :(
Tenang aja, katanya ada patch nanti yg bikin save filenya corrupt. Pasti ngulang lg sblm rilis