What Is ZoomerGaze?
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- its more of a lo-fi, hazy, dreamy, earthy kind of blend
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real?
neo punk on sirius xm radio!?!?
Ýou are nothing Punk
You are imitators with no ideas
get a fucking Personality
In the grunge 90s, people rejected the labels thrust upon them by the record stores needing a way to sort/advertise music, it's funny to see zoomers repeat this behavior, while believing they are doing something new.
I think a better term for this genre would be LGBT-EMO, since all these bands have the emo aesthetic in common, as well as hyper-liberal politics and 90% of them are in LGBTQ community...
Being a fan of NeoPunk is like being a fan of doom scrolling youtube at 3am on a friday night and suffering from delulus of grandeur while also thinking about how you're going to die one day-core
acurrate
real
Stop talking like that 👎
idk i just get made fun of for listening to virgin music every video
too real
The craziest part about Julie is they haven’t even released a full length yet…
I love julieeee
julie has so much potential can't wait for them to drop one
@@cyexesaw them live ,wasn't expecting much but was actually really impressed by the energy
God I love julie
I feel like this is just the internet in a nutshell. I like Julie but they're just another band in a sea of shoegaze bands out righ tnow and they just happened to test this theory at one of their shows and now they've propped them up like they're the be all end all hottest band in shoegaze rn
no way, it all summs up to just being midwest emo-grunge-gaze-core!
brain rot
No one from shoegaze and grunge generation has anything to do with '' emo ''
WE H A T E IT
S T O P ATTACHINg US TO THAT g A R B A g EE
@@ftgsalinyf-xj9fh What garbage? Emo? Shoegaze, grunge? Aren't they all the same anyways?
@@tumultoustortelliniemo isn’t even close to shoegaze
i hate the new” midwest emo” fans so much
I think gen z grew up with the hyper produced pop music of the 2000’s, so I imagine noise rock is refreshing to them.
As a mid-late millennial, I’d prefer 2000s pop to 2010s pop. Many were but toddlers or not yet born when that 2000s pop ruled the airwaves. I’m guessing it’s probably more of a backlash against 2010s pop.
@@ecoRfanI prefer 2010s pop it was getting mixed with EDM and stuff shit was nice.
The last 4 generations have been into shoegaze lol tbh
@@usernameonutube not all four generations grew up with auto tune though.
i think this video is missing out on the huge influence that title fight actually had in popularizing shoegazey sounds outside of shoegaze scenes. obviously the people being interviewed bring it up, and i think the fact that they were the band that broke the emo/pop punk revival (imo the first internet driven music scene not for computer nerds) and then turned towards more dreamlike, gazey sounds isn't a coincidence
Dude titlefight isn’t even shoegaze why do you guys think that they toured with a bunch of hardcore bands before 2015 y’all don’t even know title fight
Uh. As the shoegaze generation NEVER mention ANYTHINg '' emo '' ?
Because you get labeled by what you mostly make. Even though Title Fights Guitarist was seen wearing a Whirr shirt.. And they did make a couple shoegaze songs people don’t deem them as part of the shoegaze movement. But I definitely agree with you.
@@smoketears6874. They are. As a band they aren’t entirely Shoegaze, but hyperview is a style of Shoegaze
@@smoketears6874 "Hardcore" is a meaningless term.
As an older Millenial, I find the Gen Z trait of listening so openly to newly discovered music, regardless of its genre or era as refreshing. I remember going to FYE and would internally turn my nose up to anything that hadn't come out within the last couple years. Gen Z seems to be bucking what felt like an eternal trait of the "upcoming" generation of only endorsing their own sounds. Its opening up interesting trends. Good vid
There’s still a lot of elitism in the gen z music communities but I think that this willingness to look back while not being exclusively old heads is really great.
It makes the millennial hipster gatekeeping feel so dated. Maybe its just the kids in this video, but I find the way they dress is even less obnoxious. Its more simple while still drawing from a bunch of different eras and subcultures.
@@antlerbraum2881 i feel like apart of why listening to older music doesnt seem as weird to us genz is that most of us are assholes who use monthly listeners and whatever niche band someone plays on their instagram to validate how cool they are,Music elitist snobs lolll
@@oo0O08 it’s more of a “realistic” aesthetic in a way, while still maintaining an alternative attitude. I’m not sure if the aesthetic or genre have grown enough to warrant their own status as a subculture, but it is interesting to see this development in this generation of alternative music listeners
My guy, that's how every generation has listened to music since the record player was a common household item. People have musical islands of different genres mostly unrelated to each other that they listen to and like, like you can map it out and it's literally islands of music, and it's the same for a baby boomer all the way to gen alpha. They combine their acquired tastes for older music they have heard and decide they liked, with contemporary music they decided they liked, alongside brand new music they have decided they liked. And then expand on those by seeking out things that sound like what they like.
It's not a new thing, its the cross generational norm.
Sonic youth was evil for that nardwuar interview
I was surprised that Narduwar's interview with Sonic Youth was far more crazy than his interview with the Butthole Surfers.
They never lived it down with the younger folks
its not that deep
I kinda love that we've gone so far over the facade of not caring in shit that we've come out to the post ironic meme generation of music culture that's like "you don't have to take the interview seriously but leave him alone that's not cool" it's kinda wholesome
More like GoonerGaze am i right fellas 🤣
EDM: edging dance music 😹
Touchyn my worm to this title fight
i have been edging to neopunk fm for about a year
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Nothin like a good ol goonin time😹
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Duster's resurgence thanks to GenZ is nothing short of amazing to me. Saw them live earlier this year and I felt like the oldest guy in the crowd at 27yo. No clue how or why you guys found them but god bless you for it. Fuckin seminal 90s slowcore right there
Not sure where you're getting 27yo from. I saw Duster in April and there were plenty of 30-somethings and 40-somethings. I also saw them 2018 and the front of stage was full of older people.
I had the same thought. Saw Duster in 2018 or so, tiny gig, mostly millenials with their arms crossed (myself included). Saw them again earlier this year, sold out gig at a big venue, crowd was 90 percent Zoomers and younger just going off to every song. It was beautiful to watch. A new generation discovering the music, and a legendary band getting their due.
@@iamcase1245 keywords "felt like," I was just commenting how young the crowd was, obviously i was not the oldest guy at the show lol. in front of the stage was all zoomers, unexpected but cool to see!
@@charlie.drowned fuckin cheers dude 🥲 couldn't agree more
Found them about a year before inside out and me and the birds blew up on tiktok, was so shocked when a friends recognized my Capsule Losing Contact box set
I’m the drummer in Deux Visages (toured with Julie a bit over a month ago) and they’re crazy good live, and I hope this subgenre gets the attention it deserves
I was just listening to Tethered, you guys are awesome!
i saw you guys live w julie in atl, i was mesmerized by cheetah when you guys played it. please continue to release music😭
that's so fucking cool dude !!!!!!!!!!
wtf, I love your guys stuff!
Eyy, you dropped this.
the influence of Spotify playlists when it comes to what kind of music is considered to be what genre, is so under-discussed imo
i want shoegaze to be mainstream so i dont have to keep describing it to people anymore
yeah and then it starts sounding like ass and everyone from 8 year olds to preppy white bitches start overplaying it
I want it to be because it's good and stuff
fr its so annoying
but then i wont be cool anymore 😭😭
it will never be popular and you will never meet the perfect love of your life who loves shoegaze
It's literally Spotify
I started to listening to some of these /mu/core bands around the time I graduated high school and got my own Spotify account, so like 2014. And now 9 years later I frequently find myself starting off on the app listening to like Modern Baseball or Pinegrove radio, then all the sudden an hour later I'm like, "why am I listening to Shoegaze now?". The algorithm has literally created this pipeline. I don't even recognize half the shit that's supposedly my "on repeat"
greetings from the Shoegaze generation
Yes Spotify has a lot more power on music culture than people think, remember when that obscure Pavement b side nobody knew blew up because it got recommended to everyone?
@@kelechi_77 yeahh I remember !
@@kelechi_77Pavement made a sudden resurgence last year (early in 2023). I’m 32 and never even heard that band name before, but “Cut Your Hair” was a familiar sounding song albeit a forgotten one. The irony is that in the video for that song (taken 1994), you see the parted haircut that’s become popular among… yup, zoomers. Typically of 00s vintage.
cool vid
make one
i was literally working on a 10 hour video of all this shit plus some goth music early and newer
found a 2nd one with plenty of Julie
@@greynolds17what is it?
It's a shame you all are obsessed with pretending to be Our generation and Cultures
around mid 2010 in high school, I used channels like daviddeanburkhart, kegz and lazylazyme to find a lot of these hidden gems. There are too many bands and variations to mention but I am very glad to see some are getting the recognition they deserve.
daviddeanburkhart seemed to come out with the best shit, like for a while every post they made was a banger
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kegz and lazylazyme, wow, that just unlocked some core memories.
i started doing this during 2016 … found teen suicide and alex g and it shaped me into the person i am today fr
Daviddeanburkhart's channel always had the best tunes. I discovered dreampop from that channel. Started my obsession with DIIV.
12:41 he's right my dad and I are always talking about the lack of a narrative within "what's in" because the tiktokification of micro-trends (algorithmically sorting people into boxes) means that there's no longer a single direction with trends it's just a lot of revival/hyper-specific sounds happening at once in plain sight, just like instances of local scenes and shit under a microscope.
Nothing revival
As the Originals never went away you Creep ?
It is called Culture Vulturism
Are you aware of Francis Fukuyama's concept of "The End of History" or the concept of the "postmodern era"? What you said about there no longer being a single direction to musical trends and the upsurge in genre revivalism, as well as the entirety of the video we're commenting on, made me think about these concepts. You can look at pretty much any trend in popular culture from the last oh...16 years or so through these lenses and it'll make a lot more sense (historically speaking).
the micro-genres come from spotify, no lie. There is a guy there who splits genres down into hyper small things that at some point will just be each band name as their own genre.
@@foodchewerCan you really call it "revivalism" in historical terms?
Let's put things in perspective here - most humans in history who've had any experience making or enjoying music will have been doing it in more or less the same style that both their great grandparents and great grandchildren did and would respectively.
There's hardly a norm in how trends in music develop "historically" when we're talking about the last century. It's been rapid radical change for our whole lives, and that's the break from the norm. And if it's been a trend going in a particular direction, then I'm not so sure that direction broadly is all that good.
And it's not like these zoomers are digging up ancient relics in a desperate attempt to find a new fresh idea; they're literally just being influenced by the music their older siblings were listening to when they were young. Or that the oldheads who taught them to play their instruments or who are at their local venues are into. I don't know if that could even count as much of a "revival" in "historical" terms - even if music nerds will describe things that way.
I think you guys make it sound too gloomy and desperate. There's plenty of genres and styles that have come about in the last 50 years that merit being explored a little more, and brought back into popular music. There's some genres that need to be elevated and made more refined - which I think also happens with some of this "revivalism".
The internet is just radically broadening the musician's access to various influences, basically. I'm not convinced the product of that is such a bad thing.
And if there's a silver lining to the doom and gloom that internet is broadly having on our culture, maybe it'll be that it gives popular music more of an enduring quality, rather than the constant massive shifts in the late 20th century and early 21st that make it so that the music and art popular with one generation seems completely disconnected and alien to the preceding one. Maybe we're settling into an era where parents and their children can have more overlaping tastes in art and music - which I think is probably a good thing intrinsically - but that'll probably look like a whole lot of "revivalism".
Maybe the cutting edge of new ideas broadly (in music and everywhere else in political and cultural life) is to realize that it's mad to keep trying to reinvent the wheel and press onward into the abyss aimlessly, and that if we're to actually have meaningful direction as a culture than we need to have a healthy and loving relationship with our past, and we need to be able to relate to the generations that came before us - at the very least the generation directly before us.
@@SquareNoggin My friend, please do not interpret my tone as pessimism. While I certainly AM wary of certain tendencies of this new era of mining and further exploring cultural products of the postmodern and modern eras, I am not wholly opposed to it, and, like you, I have come to the same conclusion that it is A) basically inevitable and B) represents a real pause on the train of the successive industrial revolutions of the last couple hundred of years or so, a chance to settle and not be so obsessed with this rabid-always-forward-progress in which trends in the cultural market flourish and then are pounded under by new trends before they can fully develop.
Like you said, if this means that for the first time in generations adults and children of different generations can actually genuinely relate to the same media, the same pop cultural beats, actually admire eachother, then yeah it's probably mostly a good thing. Also, with the "advent" of AI increasingly cheapening pop music and recorded music in general across genres, I do hold out the hope that we will see a resurgence in live music and thriving musical communities as people turn more and more toward meaningful, engaging music that makes them feel human and has real depth.
While I am afraid of what's coming down the future, I also hold out hope for a kind of post-digital renaissance. Which is all to say that yeah, I agree with you, the cutting edge of "now" is not so much futurism or pushing new formal trends in art, but in re-linking ourselves with the past and celebrating the achievements of 20th century art and its formal contributions, as well as studying how they came about and why they were (and continue to be) so revolutionary and fascinating.
There is a massive overlap of death grips fans and kero kero bonito fans even though they are polar opposite in terms of sound.
“They are a non-traditional band/experimental music project made up of diverse artist from seemingly different backgrounds who came together to make new sounds by combining aspects of various unrelated genres, making a sound that is undoubtedly their own from the second you hear a song by them”
Now was that statement about Kero Kero Bonito or Death Grips 🤔
Oh I love KKB and hate the meme band (OK well I've seen footage is not bad)
All culture vultures either way
You channel imitating my generation's and culture's and how we grew up shit is weird as fvck, especially as you represent nothing us ?@@capnjames
"Music and style loops roughly every 30 years".
My mom told me this when I was a kid, and as a 30-year-old, everything I notice has this applied and it's almost dead on at all times.
Music does not loop ; most genres of music are barely even 60 years old
@@jackcrockwell9898bro legit thinks music is as old as his gen x grandparents and not as old as even the 1920s
this might have been true a while ago, but its now extremely accelerated because of internet overconsumption and recommendation algorithms
No they don't
It is called Culture Vulturism
Stop raiding US and Our Cultures
@@jessed6151 fashion loops every 30 years but. YES , genres of music aren’t that old. Rap was invented in the 80’s disco in the 70’s , metal in the 70’s , EDM and all of its sub genres in the 90’s , electronic in the 80’s
No mention of Siamese Dream? He basically tracked down Alan Moulder to mix the album because of all his work with shoe gaze bands. Siamese Dream took Kevin Shields sound and wrote rockier songs.
Being a fan of neopunkFM is like eating 500ug of LSD, selling some to a few people, and having the police kick your door in while you are listening to Loveless.
lol
To Noobs
This is a Culture Vulture Channel pretending to be everything how we grew up
Our Cultures
mbv on acid hits different
lsd and the search for god reference
Cool mini doc.
I'm mostly a metalhead - but the French band 'Alcest' got me into shoegaze/blackgaze/zoomergaze type of stuff.
Shelter slaps. Metalhead myself.
Same!
blackgaze either sounds like 80s goth or doom metal. I don't get what's new about it.
@@BeekuBirdAlcest is more Post Black Metal than Blackgaze, Blackgaze has become such a blanket term at this point, for anything from DSBM to Atmospheric BM to Post BM, to even Post Rock.
Alcest is the band that really got me into both blackgaze and shoegaze and they are still my favorite, love them!! (Also mainly listening to metal in general)
Really good video. More zoomers should check out the 90s band Hum. I feel like they're one of the blueprints for zoomergaze. Mixing shoegaze with post-hardcore, emo, alternative metal, and grunge. They also influenced Deftones.
hum is S tier
Hum GOATed fr
hum is the best band ever
Great band
Modern Color is an amazing band people should also check out.
Interesting you mentioned Drop Nineteens in there, because they're actually an OG shoegaze band from the 90's - their first album, Delaware, came out in 1992. At that time they were seen as an outlier for being an American band in what was originally a very British scene. Compare that to nowadays when most of these "zoomergaze" bands are American. And I agree that their specific sound on Delaware fits nicely into the more "grungy" side of shoegaze (at the time they were compared a lot to Sonic Youth and Dinosaur Jr). So in a few ways they were actually super ahead of their time. And they have come back this year after 30 years(!) with a new album called Hard Light, which is also really good IMO.
I would also highly recommend the band Swervedriver, they were part of the original Thames Valley shoegaze scene of the early 90's but they were also a lot more "grungy" than most of their contemporaries.
Dawg u just put me onto some heat thank u
Imitating our music and aesthetics
Step Off Our Dick
Uh you need to stop playing dress up with Our Parent's Cultures and how we grew up Styles you dumbas s Culture Vulture PRI CK ?@@jaredlol
yeah swervedriver is amazing, one of the most unique shoegaze bands
Swervedriver we’re amazing.. saw them live a few times and drop nineteen, ride, slow dive, bark psychosis, butterfly child. A lot of slacker was shoegaze too. Codeine, etc
Yeat is my favourite Shoegaze artist
I don't understand how one would call any of those bands zoomergaze. All the bands mentioned that are still around and playing shows are bands integrated by millenials and have been around for longer than zoomers have had spotify accounts. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love that zoomers are getting into all these bands and experimenting with their own stuff. It just seems like this is just innacurate to try to define a style when the style is so broad and precedes the genre's namesake and maybe even pointless because of how broad the stylistic differences of the bands mentioned and their given their track record of evolving/changing their sound with every release.
lol i know, title fight has been on hiatus since 2018 and formed in 2003
zoomers are the glue between all these bands to create a coherent aesthetic and pseudo subculture.
Yeah, zoomergaze is more like a description of a demographic's listening habits than of the cultural production of the music itself. It's still cool to see the cross-pollination of tastes occurring due to no concern for boundaries between scenes/genres/era.
I really appreciate you calling out sonic youth for being mean to nardwuar
I've been calling it spotify-recommended-core since freshman year
Bros never eaten souvlaki
Yeah most american thing ive ever seen what the fuck was that
what is souvlaki ?
Greek doner kebab@@evasmojang
I always learn about new artists when I watch this channel. This channel got me into Shoegaze earlier this year and Ive absolutely loved it.
I like how all those snippets you played sounded virtually the same lol
Just call it shoegaze revival. There's nothing new to the sound.
This
Accurate.
literally bro the meme name is just spreading misinfo for clicks
Being a NEOPUNKFM fan is like being Budd Dwyer
hey man nice shot
Is like being Complete Imitators of Our Cultures
Decent song by Fuct
Hey man nice comment
Good vid. Coming from a Gen xer SG fan who also played in a shoegze band in college, I’m glad to see the youth recognizing the genre. Looking at your pedals is pretty spot on, never looked at my shoes per se unless it was ready to hit my DD3 with big muff trying to create a tone/sound rather than trying to look cool.
you guys are really good at making videos. it's also crazy that i just got rlly into shoegaze pretty recently
i swear these guys are spying on me
almost like you're trend-following sheep 😂
@@Tom_- ur damn right
No way mega walls legend in my comment section
@@hecdudeh2o969 ur damn right
An excellent dissertation. I stan the naming of this genre. We have reached metagaze.
You have reached Meta Culture Vulturism
As the shoegaze generation -
Kindly step off Our Dick ?
Worth mentioning Hum and also the incrediblyyyyy underrated one-off noisy side project (guitarist) Glifted “Under and In” LP which I purchased on a whim back in the early 2000s and isn’t currently on streaming platforms (but is on TH-cam.)
She’s outback counting stars!!!
Corn whiskey tastes surprisingly good. Burns like hell on the way down but no gross aftertaste. Doesn’t have anything to do with the video but it’s true, and I’ll DIE on this hill. Or any hill, for that matter. I just really like hills.
Hills are ok. Im more of a hollar fan. Its like a small canyon, the sort of place you make corn whisky so "the man"'s helis cant find you. But as they say you cant have hollars without hills. Corn whiskey solidarity
Can you turn that screw a bit more?
bro did NOT take his meds
I love how accurate your videos are. The Elliott Fullam pic in the venn diagram was crazy
All rehash
FFS they mentioned psychedelia as an influence on the shoegaze bands and didn't mention Cocteau Twins who were a universal influence on the shoegaze bands across the board.
This entire video is just name dropping all my fav bands oml. I kept calling it grungegaze but zoomergaze reallt does fit more
There was a time called the 1970s, when the band "Suicide" invented this sound.
I first heard "Ghost Rider" by them in the game True Crime: New York City. Years later I looked them up listening to some of the tracks on the soundtrack and digging around, and it blew my mind that track was from the 1970s. Pleasantly surprised to hear a mention of them.
everytime my feed recommends a video from you my will to live drops, you can ruin my day just by uploading every single time man..
lemonade mouth is my favourite punk band
lol my song at the end caught me off guard
nice surprise hearing it here, i loved the video!
Millennials making shoegaze called it nugaze, new younger audiences, different coinage.
I'm going to ask for a lo-fi, hazy, dreamy, earthy kind of blend next time I go to the starbs
I think the question raised at 16:32 was quickly answered by the background comment at 16:38
lmfao
"MY BROTHER IS ON THE SPECTRUM" OH LMFAO
I think the big difference with Julie is just the straight Glenn Branca / Sonic Youth rip. Plus a bit of Emo and the Jaded London, Y2K aesthetic.
Also the shoegaze facination started around 2016/2017 as dream-pop and bands like the Garden were shifting things in the "gaze" side. Julie's from OC, so there's also that punk scene there thats very serious
love the polo percs jumpscare
Ive always wondered where I fit in. Ive been a death metal guitar player in the past but I always loved the garage sounding depressive stuff but I never knew what that genre was…. You just blew me away. It’s shoegaze! THANK YOU MY FIREND! I’ve listened to a ton of this stuff and kept it but i never knew what’s the genre was. You’ve just introduced me to my home. Thank you!
3 minutes in and I still haven’t heard any zoomergaze
7 minutes
Cannot wait for the video essay on the complete other side of the spectrum being the zoomer revival of Dad Rock.
I’ve been on a hard divorced dad rock kick since the seasons started changing 😂
i feel so weird being in my late 20's and completely relating to gen z aesthetically and in regards to childhood interests.. "ZoomerGaze" literally sounds like what it felt like being a teenager for me and thats why i love that shit.. i appreciate being alive for this current era music in general, its the best era in my opinion..
No chance. Music now is just a post-postmodern amalgamate garbage of other past bands and genres. Listen to the bands Can, This Heat and The Residents early albums. This is peak music created by humans. Actual genius.
Balance and Composure deserve more recognition. They were right there along with Title Fight creating the first hints of this sort of music.
Yes, literally thank you for this
can't mention shoegaze without highlighting the influence of Psychocandy. people talk a lot about my bloody valentine but they followed the JAMC blueprint
cocteau twins too
Hey guys fyi Pitchfork has an article today about the resurgence of shoegaze, etc
The idea that defining a genre by who listens to it is less arbitrary than how it sounds is pretty strange, especially when the listenership for all these bands isn't just zoomers. Even though the genres/subgenres are being pooled together primarily by that demographic, it is because of underlying commonalities in sound. That being said, it is cool to see sounds/bands that would have been siloed by their locations and scene histories in the past get brought together by new audiences who aren't concerned with the real or imagined boundaries around each genre.
Thank you for this I’m tired of people calling dusters shoegaze
yeah true while duster definitely has shoegaze-y songs the band and discog as a whole isn't shoegaze fs
they're def shoegazey but thought they were considered slowcore
@@ssofttouchFax
they aren't overall but they def have some shoegaze songs (echo bravo, making room, earth moon transit, etc.)
There is only one shoegaze generation
And it isn't any of you
Thanks for this video. As a shoegeezer, I appreciate the movement moving forward.
With internet, the disappearance of the division mainstream / underground, the realization that future never happened, every cultural thing got turned into some kind of aesthetics. Nothing is naive anymore. Nothing is sacred too. You can love Cardi B and My Bloody Valentine at the same time. There's definitely an apocalypse vibe to it. Dude saying zoomers could really express themselves couldn't be more wrong. Sure zoomers can paint their suffering. But the suffering is everywhere.
So much of this seems like a simulacra of the mid-late 00s Emo/Post-Hardcore. I think it’s cool to see how things’ve evolved, but it I can’t help compare these sounds to what can be found in something like Circa Survive’s “Juturna”, Brand New’s “Deja Entendu”, the self titled “Saosin” album, and maybe like, Further Seems Forever’s “How to Start a Fire”.
the narduar reference sent me
I really enjoyed this video and the connections it made. While I lump together bands like Babeheaven, Duster, Sonic Youth, Title Fight, etc. into the same category, I hadn't consciously determined what made them so similar until watching this video. I think one thing that should be mentioned in addition to the importance of MBV and Slowdive to "Zoomergaze" is, undoubtedly, Gen Z's most popular grunge artist: Deftones. While I know this video mentions the band a few times, I think it failed to acknowledge its effect on the subculture. I remember when it seemed like every tiktok video was consumed by a Deftones song (most likely Be Quiet and Drive), and I think Gen Z's discovery of the band helped bridge shoegaze and grunge a lot closer than the two genres were before. The origins of Zoomergaze might be through mu/core and 4chan, but I think Gen Z's interest in it stems from the more modern/"mainstream" lens of social media. I could go on and on about this but I hope you get the general idea.
deftones is gen x
Also Stop raiding our Cultures and pretendin to be
US
kindly, Shoegaze and grunge generation
You are *NOT US*
And they aren't grunge
You do not represent us or our cultures
@@ftgsalinyf-xj9fh
womp womp
Tldr : we live in a post genre world
writing on this one goes bananas!!!! Keep up the good work neoflunkfm🔥🔥🔥
No STOP raiding our generation and cultures
Yall gotta chill out with this shit. Reading wikipedia entries and making up words to call things bc generational adhd/spectrum shit. It’s getting cringe af to watch as the people who actually lived these music scenes shake our heads as we become extinct. You haven’t reinvented the wheel. No generation has given less fucks about the actual history of things and why it matters. There are 80 no wave bands from 1978-1984 that sound this way. You just have to look instead of constantly concerning yourself with making new words for shit that was done 30 yrs ago. Sonic fucking youth isnt shoegaze. So weird. So uninformed. Yet so confident and so supported. That is Gen Z.
There's too much info to sort through so everyone gets things muddled. It's hard to get a cohesive sense of history so people just mix shit up.
I think there needs to be a certain scarcity and specificity in order for an artist to focus and have a singular vision. Previously, creativity progressed from taking in a certain amount of info from the existing culture and then feeling that there was a certain gap that needed to be filled, and turning your efforts there. The stereotypical alt-rock origin story always goes something like "there was nothing for people like us, so we made it ourselves" Read about the music scene just before punk and it's always a tale of desolation. Back in the day, if you were alienated from the mainstream there was a big void, whereas nowadays there are so many specific niches that the hunger to make something new is sated before really being felt, all that's left is tinkering and on the nose recombination of existing conventions. "Necessity is the mother of invention" is a common aphorism, but one that rarely gets applied to art.
On the point about specificity, an artist needs to know exactly which conventions they want to play with in order to form their style-- at this point the pool is too big to effectively navigate. I read a book (white Bicycles it was called), where the author pointed out that the Rolling Stones learned their style by copying the work of blues artists from a very specific label. He theorized that they would probably have sounded more generic if they were copying from 'blues' more generally.
When younger generations dig up and dust off vintage sounds, they bring a valuable naivety and renewed spirit of curiosity. It breathes new life, like oxygen and fuel to smoldering embers. It's essential to re-contextualize and mutate the creative discoveries of the past; it's how new ones are made.
Before everybody knew words like "punk" "goth" "grunge" it was just young pioneers doing their thing. Genre wasn't important, until the press needed a brand to push. Common gatekeeping laments, basically clichés at this point, highlight a paradox; when the wider public "discovers" a thing, the cascade of attention, scrutiny, mimicry and exploitation quickly kills the thing. Reminds me of the Silver Jews line "Punk rock died when the first kid said 'Punk's not dead"..
Which is why these kids have the right idea. Musical genres are fun and fascinating to trace and pick apart; we music fans are huge nerds who can read about this stuff into the night. But at the end of the day the point is the music. You know it when you feel it.
Cool video. Unlike most people my age, I have a lot of faith in today's youth. You guys have got it together. Good taste too
I waited for dreampop and sadboi music to die to get anything new from indie music but here we are again. We need to smash all shimverb pedals.
Interesting video! I'm an old guy who started a shoegaze band around 1991 called Stillmotion. We put out some cassettes and a 7" vinyl. We toured and opened shows for Catherine Wheel, Medicine and others. This was around Upstate NY. Fast forward to 2024 and there's a label putting out a retrospective vinyl LP of Stillmotion music. I loved Nirvana way back then, but the new mega popularity of grunge completely bulldozed the shoegaze scene. Interesting to see this newish hybrid genre currently happening.
Maybe you're in the US but britpop overshadowed shoegaze too in the UK.
I hope you're getting some pay for the retrospective drops!
Time will tell!
Are there still intact tapes available? I've checked out some videos on your channel, including the live performance at cacophony in 1993 and I liked it. If there's still some stuff available I'd love to hear it. With a USB cassette converter or just a cassette player and a pc with mic input it could be easily digitzed and uploaded to youtube, if that's fine with the other bandmembers. Or at least give us info about the label & the album, since it's hard to find anything about your band on the web. All I find is a band called "still motions", but I'm not sure if that's correct?
Greetings from Germany! :D
100% - shoegaze got LOST in the wake of Nirvana. The bands I loved were still releasing stuff and some seminal stuff still came out after that, but you watched Lush go britpop in 96 and Ride go... whatever that was, Chapterhouse went dance music, and Slowdive broke up and became Mojave 3 and went all country-tinged. And those fucking trucker hats started at some point and never went away. Even underground bands like Love Spirals Downwards went dance music. I felt kinda betrayed, NGL.
Why do they think title fight, turnstile(not even Shoegaze), nothing, whirr, Anne belongs to zoomer generation? They are definitely Millennialgaze lmao
Millennial erasure is real and it's happening
the amount of cool bands i found from the interviews is insane
Amount of imitation bands
Literally nothing cool about being uncreative and imitation as Fvck
@@ftgsalinyf-xj9fh bro idc as long as they sound good
if anyone is looking for more bands, the ny scene has been really popping off with a ton of great bands: Shower Curtain, Bedridden, MX Lonely, Buff Ginger, Punchlove, Wince, Lola Star, Fasting (that’s my band teehee), Ringing, Velvet, Wiring, Sleepwell, Plastic, Nara’s Room, Crate, and so many more that don’t even really fit in the “Gaze” category but still rock.
also wanted to shoutout the Philly scene cuz it’s also going crazy, obviously TAGABOW gets a mention here but there’s so much more there rn, A Country Western, Full Body 2, Bleary Eyed, Ruth in the Bardo, Sword ii, Menu, Halloween, and then Pitt has bands like Feeble Little Horse and Gaadge.
heavy on wince they just released a new album and it’s so good
@@mybloodytom yea those guys are the homies been waiting on that album for like a year and a half lmao
VELEVT MENTIONED 🔥🔥
@@z3nni3 hell yea come to tv eye on saturday i’m playing in a benefit show with velvet
Having seen My Bloody Valentine in the early 90's opening for dinosaur Jr at the 40 watt club in Athens, GA I can confidently say that one of the aspects of shoegaze that I loved was that the "too cool for you" music scene hipsters absolutely hated the band and genre. The local critic savaged them in the press. While I had a religious experience they were disgusted because they didn't understand it. The outsider status is one of the many things that make the genre special. If it becomes pop then the original intention (outsiders making music for other outsiders) becomes moot.
As a Gen-Z who has been into the hardcore-metal-emo-goth-punk-grunge-alternative-rock-shoegaze-whatever-the-hell-anymore side of music for my entire teenage life and some of my childhood but has mainly strayed away from lots of discussion around it, seeing this video just kind of wrap in a bundle so many things I've listened to and thoroughly enjoyed in my life while giving pretty much the same explanation as for why I like all of it is so damn surreal.
watching shoegaze become mainstream is like watching the fnaf movie
lol None of you are the shoegaze generation to begin with
lol newgen
oh brother this guy stinks!
@@ranchustars3050homestuck
Perfect timing - I literally happened to click on a Zoomergaze playlist on Spotify like 3 days ago lol
Though I did listen to lots of Deftones long before that, as well as some Superheaven and Jane Remover more recently
I LOVE JULIE!!!
Killing Joke invented Grunge music in 1980 with their song S036 from their debut album. That song and album rules.
Old music is way better than modern music.
Yeat is my favorite shoegaze band
Late millenial here, and I hadn't heard of Julie so i went to check them out. Incredibly surprised no one mentioned Autolux when searching for comparisons. The closeness is so apparent. A huge fan of the sound personally and really stoked to hear it continue in life since Autolux hasnt released a whole lot since 2016. Really loved/love autolux. Was really refreshed, and felt so good in my soul to hear that sound done again by another artist.
Gyattcore video when
interesting that the zoomers are claiming title fight as their own. title fight was just as massive with my peers when i was their age. truly a timeless band
Lol They are all imitators
Wow the smashing pumpkins are so zoomergaze because they’re like if you mixed shoegaze and grunge…
I feel like this scene will explode in size in a couple of years with 2023 being an amazing year for shoegaze with yeule,jane remover, slowdive , wednesday, parannoul. I cant wait to not feel special about my music again
youre telling me man, i just spent an entire video with someone telling me my whole spotify wrapped. Logically I knew the bands were pretty popular but shit idk, i just thought I was different ig. Huge props for neo punk to putting this so concisely
@@bigbubbabump3126 me too i thought i was special 😭😭
@@bigbubbabump3126Y’all check out Modern Color. They changed my life, their 2020 albums slaps
What your music
we are the shoegaze generation
And it is tied to our Cultures and how we grew up
And you didn't
Uh there is an actual generation from the actual Cultures @@snoomed7552
which is NOT you
I feel like some of these "genres" are more scenes than genres
Great video! I found some new bands from this! Balance & Composure, Citizen, Title Fight, Deafhaven, Turnstile < 3 I grew up in the Warped Tour era (oh, how I desperately wish it would return) and these bands were beloved then as well. Love to see it now too < 3
I always imagined these bands being associated with the hxc punk / underground / DIY scene - like the softer music that those people liked idk?? * shrugs *
Confusion Therapy
Drinking game: take a shot every time he says “chronically online”
Zoomergaze is the new meta
It is nothing new
It is ripping off Our generation and Cultures and pretending to be us
just wait kids abusing opiates and flannel shirts will be back in style soon enough.
we got coke and mullets for now
The Opiate Epidemic is now the Fentpocolypse my brother in Christ
I miss when coke and mullets were for different classes 😢
Stop imitating our generation
You are all so obsessed with us which is disgusting as fvck
Title fight/ modern color/ whirr/ slowdive/ julie/ panchiko/ quannic/ glare/ duster/ have a nice life/ mbv/ superheaven/ narrow head/ basement/ loathe/ trauma ray/ nothing/ flyingfish/ wisp/
Love all these bands/artists
As a 17yo GenZ brainrot/ brain fog idiot i can definitely say that younger people will listen to anything and think its dope. i have doom, duster and have a nice life on the same playlist as lamp(jpop). There arent as many boundaries when it comes to music taste nowadays and when you ask teenagers what they listen to most people will say most genres except country. Glad i somehow ended up on zoomergaze but this brainfog wont go away😭💀
u explained it really well, i kept struggling to put into words the phenomenon of all these different genres becoming grouped by "vibe"
We call it "brogaze" and it all fucking blows
I got really into shoegaze as I got out of highschool in 2018, mostly through Deafheaven, Drop Nineteens, and Whirr. As soon as I got to college in a larger city I started going to shows and then the genre promptly exploded and we have all sorts of new artists on the scene like Leaving Time and All Under Heaven. Going to the smaller shoegaze shows in bars were some of my best memories of college.
Did you know it's called "Zoomergaze" because the Artists used to always zoom in on their IG pics for that perfect lofi, aesthetic feed?
it is called that bc all based on Imitation of US
I truly was born In the right generation. I can listent to Hip Hop, Punk, Neo-Soul, Dubstep, Brostep, Afro-Punk, Ska, Metal, Vaporwave, Synthwave, Indietronica, Jungle D&B, Electro Swing, and Jazz all In one sitting, all from different eras, all for my enjoyment.
lol No
Listening doesn't mean being from the Cultures
And those from the Cultures can listen to everything now too
I stand with zoomergaze
aka Imitating the Shoegaze generation
STOP ATTACHINg TO US AND IMITATINg US
Our Cultures are also tied to Our Parent's Cultures
You literally have NOTHINg to DO VVITH THAT
Im sorry but can anyone make a list of songs played and mentioned in here? This is my perfect type of music, I love how the one guy put it “It’s cathartic…emotional..” This was dope