So freaking proud of you for trying over and over again until you completed the Ben Nevis Ultra!! I really enjoyed this video, such beautiful footage, and I loved the honest, reflective narration! I don't know why but it gives me goosebumps when you are just about to finish and say "The light is desperately fading, I've got 3 k to go..." and refuse to put the head torch on. Such an epic moment. I was there that weekend too, racing on the Glen Coe Skyline course, and I know firsthand how challenging yet beautiful this area is. I laughed out loud when you said "Under no circumstances should anyone join the Glen Coe Skyline queue, it is certain death!". I am sure it was not easy to hold the camera while also trying to beat the cut-offs - thank you so much for documenting this race and taking me back to a phenomenal day in the Scottish Highlands!
Hi there. Oh I love this race so much. I wouldn't have kept going back if I hadn't enjoyed it. But yes, I was also really determined to finish it. I may well get back up there this year for the Ring of Steall race if I can. Will you be back up there?
Dear Stephen, congratulations on finishing the Ben Nevis Ultra! I finished it this year too, after a DNF last year at the first cut-off(I was 17 minutes too late)! Your video from last year helped me to push after first cut-off station this year, I was really afraid I wouldn’t make it in time. I finished after you, 7 minutes before the race course closing. What a race! Thanks for the video, it is great to see it and recall this amazing experience, wish you all the best! 🙌
Amazing video as always, you have a great way of bringing the viewer into the race with you! This looked extremely challenging but great fun, I will have to add it to the ever-growing list!
Certain death or certain DNF. Now there's a choice that nobody wants to be faced with 😂 Brilliant stuff, Stephen. You managed to cut it fine, and keep us on the edge of our seats while you were confidently chatting away and admiring the scenery 👍🏻🏃♂️
Great account of a tough race. Congratulations on getting it done. I find it very funny how on ultras time gets warped and even with a clock and watch I still get confused about what my finish time was 😂Glad to see it's not just me.
Oh, it was so confusing because we started 15 minutes earlier than usual in the first wave and all the checkpoint times were changed and the marshals weren't exactly sure and they extended the cut off time as well. So I had no idea what I was aiming for in the end!
It was magic to meet you on the finish line and give you that shout out at the end. Was great seeing what you went through between leaving us and arriving back. Nail biting stuff. Well done again 🙌🏻
Oh hey Ruth. Lovely to meet you too and thank you so much for your comments. Hopefully I'll be back up there next year for the Ring of Steall or the 80k
......Lovely is an interesting way of describing it!! Bloody hard work is what it is!! Haha, no you're right it is stunning, especially when the weather is clear. But that doesn't happen very often. You fancy it?
A brilliant film Stephen. Sorry if this comes across as weird but I am so proud of you for completing this challenge. Having DNF’d twice before you show your resilience and determination to get it done. I can’t imagine trying to navigate some of that terrain (and still live to tell the tail). You are such a good runner. You’ve done a video talking about your fails for the year, none are failures. You work hard, you train hard, you take on these difficult challenges, I’m in awe. Well done Stephen. (Oh and I love the contrast in the weather, it looks completely different). Bring on your next challenge 🤩🌟
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Hi Steven, good to see your great report. If anything you made it seem to easy! You failed to mention how many times you took a bum slide on the drop into Glen Nevis. I live in the village, so know the route very well, though was surprised how long the final descent took, with over 1000 runners before you it sure trashed the path, and being in the half light gave a few sketchy moments, and on that nasty little diversion through the Heather was a real mud fest. You did well to get down through the forest without a head torch, I did likewise, but know every rock. That said looking at others that past me, I lost a good few minutes. You past me at the start, somewhere along the way I past you, as you past me again just after the final river crossing. You were 12m ahead at the finish. I had the honour of being the last in, though the oldest, perhaps ever. Look forward to seeing you back next year.
Glencoe skyline is gnarlier, but having done both routes several times the BNU cutoffs are even more severe/stringent than the Skyline, as many will testify. V well done getting it done. I saw you coming over the line just after I finished the Skyline which was great to see. 👏👏👏
Thanks John. Yes, glad to get that one finally finished. Still a niggle in the back of my mind about getting it done in under 12 hours but that will have to wait for a while!
Well done, another great video. Very tough race. I know how long these descents on Munros can take. I was timed out on the Glenshee nine by just 4 minutes after 6 Munros of the 9. Took me ages to get down to the road crossing CP as the bolders kept moving under foot. Still soper impressed by your TDS finish this year.
Great video. Makes me want to grab my running shoes and head up the Glens. Unfortunately I'm on an oil rig 😂 I finished the Ben Nevis Ultra a few years back. Very tough race.
Well done at getting the finish STEPHEN.... I did it too. My first ultra. Got humbled by the mountain, but got a medal too. Brutal course but loved every minute :~} Your previous video inspired me to sign up for this race.... love the fact, that to finish is to win...... . ,
Aaaaah well done Mick, amazing. It's such a hard course and I'm so glad it's finally done. Back next year for a different race! Maybe the Mamores 5k ??!
What a great film Stephen and a great race. I'm so glad you got it done after your two previous attempts. They do say we learn more from the races we fail at but it doesn't make them any easier to swallow, does it!😃
I completely agree TwoCombs. I think you’re really very good at narration Stephen. I know it’s a totally different thing, but I like listening to audiobooks and good narration is never a given, and it does add so much to the enjoyment of the actual book itself.
Amazing work! And such a great video. I had been eyeing up the Glen Coe Skyline race for next year, but maybe I should do Ben Nevis first 🤔 it looks tough enough! 😂 Well done for getting it done 👊
Hi Chris. They do vet applications for Glen Coe as it involves some serious scrambling. So unless you have the right experience you won't get in. Give Ben Nevis a crack and if it's too easy then Glen Coe is probably ok for you!!
@@FilmMyRun yes I'd seen that. I don't really know how to get experience without doing it though 🤷♂️ got to start sometime. Maybe try a shorter one first. Keep up with the great videos ☺️🙏
Fantastic film. Very honest, reflective and inspiring. What an achievement! Also very impressive that you can hold your camera and traverse those rocky ridges at the same time. The film had everything, a lot of humour and a nail-biting finish. I did laugh out loud when you said it was “absolutely horrendous”. Very well done indeed.
Thank you very much Aitch! Having never experienced the second half before it really was horrendous on tired legs! Considering the Ring of Steall next year to see what that section is like with slightly fresher legs!
Well done Stephen 👏👍 yes that was tough but what an achievement 😃 awesome event👍thank you to everyone involved.🙏What a fantastic weekend 🤛 awesome film 👌 until next time 🤪
Well done Stephen ,have been watching your ben nevis ultra trilogy,was rooting for you all the way m8,knew yoy you would do it with all the vertical and horizontal miles you have in credit in the legs,brilliant m8👍👏👏
Hey Billy, thanks so much. Yes I guess it is a trilogy isn't it!! I should combine all three films and create an overview documentary! The Ben Nevis Trilogy - A Film My Run Documentary.....Now that might have legs. What do you think?!
Well done Stephen, I'm so happy for you for getting it done. Well deserved! Fantastic footage, I like how you interweave the moments from 2019 into this year's movie to showcase the beauty of the scenery and how challenging the race really is.
It was actually my wife's suggestion to add in the footage from 2019. It looks so different when it's clear!! Problem is, it is very rarely that clear!
Wow Douglas you will love it. My friend, Marcus will be there again from Virginia. I might make it up there to run one of the shorter races. Come say hi if you spot me.
Well done Stephen, glad you finally managed to finish it, it looks tough! Keep up the great work you are inspiring. Decided to try Ultras this year afte following you and you never know Ben Nevis Ultra might be on the radar.
Congrats Stephen. I also finished this year at the third time of asking. Definitely the toughest course I've run. Looking at coming back for the 80k next year - no summits!
Great video as always - congratulations. I’m a fan of mudclaws even done LL50 in the lighter versions . Would love to see you do Jura fell race or ennerdale horseshoe. I’m mid pack and the felll racing scene was too competitive but Jura fell race was the pinnacle of my fell running achievements- awesome race
Hi Siobhan. The Mudclaws were interesting because they were great on the wet grass and mud but I didn't feel I could trust them on the wet rock on the exposed ridges and I was slower over those sections partly because of that. I'll definitely have a look at those races you mentioned. I do love fell racing even though it's not my natural running background. Are you still running?
I am considering going back for the Ring of Steall next year, but we'll see how the year pans out. I don't have a public list of my race plans. I suppose I should!
Well they did a great job in the mud!! But they weren't so good on the rock. I'm not a fan of the minimal cushioning either so I'll only be wearing these in the specific conditions they are suited for.
How would this compare to the TDS, although the distance is quite different how is the pain cave threshold? Thanks love the video and your content…have a great weekend.
In terms of terrain it's similar in some respects and very different in others. You won't get any deep bogs on TDS, but the technical climbing and steep ascents are similar. With Ben Nevis you have to go as fast as you can for 12 hours and it's over pretty quickly. TDS is a much slower, long hike. So the pain is a different kind of pain. TDS is much more of a mental battle to keep moving forward. Ben Nevis is more a physical battle against the course.
@@FilmMyRun Thanks for the response, that is a great way of describing shorter stronger efforts in comparison to long slow tough exertions. Thanks again have a great weekend…
Great video with a very honest appraisal. However to correct one point 👉 that you are a mid pack runner. This isn't true no way after finishing Ben Nevis Ultra (incredibly tough) Lakeland 100, TDS, London and Berlin Marathons etc within a few weeks can you be described as this. What you are is an inspiration sir. Keep the videos coming.
Haha, well yes. But I can only do a sub three marathon at the absolute top end of my fitness. I've only managed it once. I do genuinely consider myself a mid pack runner. And most of my race results would put me there.
The second half is absolutely brutal am bodach at the end is there just to kill spirit.
Well done on getting it done.
OMG Steve, so true. That last climb was on my hands and knees most of the way up!!
So freaking proud of you for trying over and over again until you completed the Ben Nevis Ultra!! I really enjoyed this video, such beautiful footage, and I loved the honest, reflective narration! I don't know why but it gives me goosebumps when you are just about to finish and say "The light is desperately fading, I've got 3 k to go..." and refuse to put the head torch on. Such an epic moment. I was there that weekend too, racing on the Glen Coe Skyline course, and I know firsthand how challenging yet beautiful this area is. I laughed out loud when you said "Under no circumstances should anyone join the Glen Coe Skyline queue, it is certain death!". I am sure it was not easy to hold the camera while also trying to beat the cut-offs - thank you so much for documenting this race and taking me back to a phenomenal day in the Scottish Highlands!
Hi there. Oh I love this race so much. I wouldn't have kept going back if I hadn't enjoyed it. But yes, I was also really determined to finish it. I may well get back up there this year for the Ring of Steall race if I can. Will you be back up there?
Dear Stephen, congratulations on finishing the Ben Nevis Ultra! I finished it this year too, after a DNF last year at the first cut-off(I was 17 minutes too late)! Your video from last year helped me to push after first cut-off station this year, I was really afraid I wouldn’t make it in time. I finished after you, 7 minutes before the race course closing. What a race! Thanks for the video, it is great to see it and recall this amazing experience, wish you all the best! 🙌
Amazing Lidia, well done. I am so happy for anyone who gets that race done. It's such a beast.
Amazing video as always, you have a great way of bringing the viewer into the race with you! This looked extremely challenging but great fun, I will have to add it to the ever-growing list!
Thank you. I have found this race really tough going over the last few years. Glad to get it finished finally. But I may be back one day.
Certain death or certain DNF. Now there's a choice that nobody wants to be faced with 😂
Brilliant stuff, Stephen. You managed to cut it fine, and keep us on the edge of our seats while you were confidently chatting away and admiring the scenery 👍🏻🏃♂️
Thanks Mark. Thankfully it turned out to be neither! But I still don't want to try the Glen Coe race!! Would you ever consider it??!!
@@FilmMyRun Haha! I can safely say it's way beyond me. Tackling my first 50k next year, nowhere near any mountains 😁👍🏻
Great account of a tough race. Congratulations on getting it done. I find it very funny how on ultras time gets warped and even with a clock and watch I still get confused about what my finish time was 😂Glad to see it's not just me.
Oh, it was so confusing because we started 15 minutes earlier than usual in the first wave and all the checkpoint times were changed and the marshals weren't exactly sure and they extended the cut off time as well. So I had no idea what I was aiming for in the end!
It was magic to meet you on the finish line and give you that shout out at the end. Was great seeing what you went through between leaving us and arriving back. Nail biting stuff. Well done again 🙌🏻
Oh hey Ruth. Lovely to meet you too and thank you so much for your comments. Hopefully I'll be back up there next year for the Ring of Steall or the 80k
Braveau - well done. Great reporting as well. Enjoyed it!
Many thanks! I am trying to improve my narration skills!!
What a lovely race.
......Lovely is an interesting way of describing it!! Bloody hard work is what it is!! Haha, no you're right it is stunning, especially when the weather is clear. But that doesn't happen very often. You fancy it?
A brilliant film Stephen. Sorry if this comes across as weird but I am so proud of you for completing this challenge. Having DNF’d twice before you show your resilience and determination to get it done. I can’t imagine trying to navigate some of that terrain (and still live to tell the tail). You are such a good runner. You’ve done a video talking about your fails for the year, none are failures. You work hard, you train hard, you take on these difficult challenges, I’m in awe. Well done Stephen. (Oh and I love the contrast in the weather, it looks completely different). Bring on your next challenge 🤩🌟
Thank you Amy. I appreciate your words. Means a lot. Yes the contrast between the sunny day in 2019 and this was stark!
Really well done. Humble in victory. Superb achievement.
Thank you kindly sir! I guess it is a victory of sorts!
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Hi Steven, good to see your great report. If anything you made it seem to easy! You failed to mention how many times you took a bum slide on the drop into Glen Nevis. I live in the village, so know the route very well, though was surprised how long the final descent took, with over 1000 runners before you it sure trashed the path, and being in the half light gave a few sketchy moments, and on that nasty little diversion through the Heather was a real mud fest. You did well to get down through the forest without a head torch, I did likewise, but know every rock. That said looking at others that past me, I lost a good few minutes.
You past me at the start, somewhere along the way I past you, as you past me again just after the final river crossing. You were 12m ahead at the finish. I had the honour of being the last in, though the oldest, perhaps ever.
Look forward to seeing you back next year.
ps, I don’t seem to be able to make a fresh comment, which is the same for some other channels, not sure if it is my or your setting doing this.
@@markthomasson5077 mmmmm not sure. I’ve not set anything to make that happen
@@FilmMyRun . Hmm, probably not you, it is the same on other channels, but not all.
Glencoe skyline is gnarlier, but having done both routes several times the BNU cutoffs are even more severe/stringent than the Skyline, as many will testify. V well done getting it done. I saw you coming over the line just after I finished the Skyline which was great to see. 👏👏👏
Super film Stephen. Your relief at the end was palpable. Well done👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks John. Yes, glad to get that one finally finished. Still a niggle in the back of my mind about getting it done in under 12 hours but that will have to wait for a while!
Well done, another great video. Very tough race. I know how long these descents on Munros can take. I was timed out on the Glenshee nine by just 4 minutes after 6 Munros of the 9. Took me ages to get down to the road crossing CP as the bolders kept moving under foot. Still soper impressed by your TDS finish this year.
Thanks Mark. Yes, interesting to compare the long slow hike of TDS against the fast hard run of Ben Nevis. Similar and different at the same time.
Great video, well done on finally completing it, great effort
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From an old Steven to another old Stephen you inspire me brother!
Haha yes definitely adding on the years now. Hopefully still a few good running years in us both yet though!
Great video. Makes me want to grab my running shoes and head up the Glens. Unfortunately I'm on an oil rig 😂 I finished the Ben Nevis Ultra a few years back. Very tough race.
Well done at getting the finish STEPHEN.... I did it too. My first ultra. Got humbled by the mountain, but got a medal too. Brutal course but loved every minute :~} Your previous video inspired me to sign up for this race.... love the fact, that to finish is to win......
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Aaaaah well done Mick, amazing. It's such a hard course and I'm so glad it's finally done. Back next year for a different race! Maybe the Mamores 5k ??!
What a great film Stephen and a great race. I'm so glad you got it done after your two previous attempts. They do say we learn more from the races we fail at but it doesn't make them any easier to swallow, does it!😃
I was so gutted after both of those DNFs, I think I would have kept coming back forever until I finished it!! Thanks for watching Ian
@@FilmMyRun I've DNF'd the North Coast 110km twice now and feel much the same way!😁
Great race and strong finish! Congrats! A wonderful film/edit!
Thank you. Appreciated.
Excellent and amazing run. Also expert and inspiring narration 👍
Thank you very much. I'm working hard on getting better at story telling.
I completely agree TwoCombs. I think you’re really very good at narration Stephen. I know it’s a totally different thing, but I like listening to audiobooks and good narration is never a given, and it does add so much to the enjoyment of the actual book itself.
Amazing work! And such a great video. I had been eyeing up the Glen Coe Skyline race for next year, but maybe I should do Ben Nevis first 🤔 it looks tough enough! 😂 Well done for getting it done 👊
Hi Chris. They do vet applications for Glen Coe as it involves some serious scrambling. So unless you have the right experience you won't get in. Give Ben Nevis a crack and if it's too easy then Glen Coe is probably ok for you!!
@@FilmMyRun yes I'd seen that. I don't really know how to get experience without doing it though 🤷♂️ got to start sometime. Maybe try a shorter one first.
Keep up with the great videos ☺️🙏
Fantastic film. Very honest, reflective and inspiring. What an achievement! Also very impressive that you can hold your camera and traverse those rocky ridges at the same time. The film had everything, a lot of humour and a nail-biting finish. I did laugh out loud when you said it was “absolutely horrendous”. Very well done indeed.
Thank you very much Aitch! Having never experienced the second half before it really was horrendous on tired legs! Considering the Ring of Steall next year to see what that section is like with slightly fresher legs!
Well done Stephen 👏👍 yes that was tough but what an achievement 😃 awesome event👍thank you to everyone involved.🙏What a fantastic weekend 🤛 awesome film 👌 until next time 🤪
So are we going back next year for the Ring of Steall?? Or shall we do the flat 80km.
OMG! This terrain uphill is incredible.
Do you see why it took me three times to finish?! Of course Clive managed it first time 90 minutes faster than me!!
Well done Stephen ,have been watching your ben nevis ultra trilogy,was rooting for you all the way m8,knew yoy you would do it with all the vertical and horizontal miles you have in credit in the legs,brilliant m8👍👏👏
Hey Billy, thanks so much. Yes I guess it is a trilogy isn't it!! I should combine all three films and create an overview documentary! The Ben Nevis Trilogy - A Film My Run Documentary.....Now that might have legs. What do you think?!
@@FilmMyRun
Lol,defo stephen,you have the footage there,would make a great short film.👍
Congratulations Stephen, I’m so chuffed for you finally defeating Ben Nevis! What a year you are having 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻. Can’t wait for the next one
Thanks so much!
as always a brilliant film! I love watching your race reviews since they are authentic - thanks - keep going - greeting from Austria
Hi Tobias. Thank you so much for your kind comments. I'll be sure to keep going as long as I can!
Such a great film. You are an inspiration. Congratulations on finally reaching your goal and finishing.
Thanks Hannah. Very happy to get that one done. I did say I wasn't going back but I think I might enter the Ring of Steall just for larks next year!
Absolutely brilliant massive congratulations to you all - it looks like an absolutely stunning and brutal course well done all massive achievement 💪👏👏
Thank you very much Clair. Fancy a crack at it?!
@@FilmMyRun well, I’m defo not going to rule it out …… first I think I might do snowdon …… then, if I survive….. I may well consider it !!
Well done Stephen, I'm so happy for you for getting it done. Well deserved! Fantastic footage, I like how you interweave the moments from 2019 into this year's movie to showcase the beauty of the scenery and how challenging the race really is.
It was actually my wife's suggestion to add in the footage from 2019. It looks so different when it's clear!! Problem is, it is very rarely that clear!
Thanks for this inspiring film. I’m coming out from Colorado to give Ben Nevis 50k a go in September!
Wow Douglas you will love it. My friend, Marcus will be there again from Virginia. I might make it up there to run one of the shorter races. Come say hi if you spot me.
Well done Stephen, glad you finally managed to finish it, it looks tough! Keep up the great work you are inspiring. Decided to try Ultras this year afte following you and you never know Ben Nevis Ultra might be on the radar.
Oh that's brilliant. Once you start though, there's no going back. It's a slippery slope. But you'll love it.
well done!!! looks rough!
Yes it's a bit of a beast. But it all depends on how experienced and how speedy you are. For some people it's a breeze!
Well done again old boy. So pleased you managed it this year. 💪🏼 What a year you’ve had.
Thanks Mike. Onwards to next year then!
loving all these new uploads Steve 😊
Thanks Jason. See you out there some time soon!
We I ran Xterra Snowdonia it was 28º at the start ..... so positive thinking Stephen
Is that celsius or fahrenheit?? !
Wonderful stuff as usual. Well done and thank you Stephen.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks David
Another great video.
Thank you John.
Many congratulations Stephen!! 🎉 What a fabulous year of running you have had !!
Thanks Michael. It's been a blast. Really enjoyed it....Mostly!
Brilliant stuff! Congratulations
Thanks a lot John!
Looks fractionally tougher than “The Three Forts” 😉
I would say it is juts marginally tougher!! haha
Great to see your determination to get this one done finally paying off! So... See you back again next year? ;)
I'm hoping tyo come back up next year but not for Ben Nevis. I'll likely do the Ring of Steall or the 80k. What about you?
Congrats Stephen. I also finished this year at the third time of asking. Definitely the toughest course I've run. Looking at coming back for the 80k next year - no summits!
Haha well done Will! I am considering either the 80k or the Ring of Steall
I think the 80k goes up the Ben…also probably a lot of mud
@@markthomasson5077 it goes a little way up but not to the summit by the looks of the map.
Correct, I had not zoomed in, it goes to the CIC hut.
Great video as always - congratulations. I’m a fan of mudclaws even done LL50 in the lighter versions . Would love to see you do Jura fell race or ennerdale horseshoe. I’m mid pack and the felll racing scene was too competitive but Jura fell race was the pinnacle of my fell running achievements- awesome race
Hi Siobhan. The Mudclaws were interesting because they were great on the wet grass and mud but I didn't feel I could trust them on the wet rock on the exposed ridges and I was slower over those sections partly because of that. I'll definitely have a look at those races you mentioned. I do love fell racing even though it's not my natural running background. Are you still running?
Great filming. Well done.
Thank you!! I am also a reluctant fell runner but I can't seem to drag myself away from the mountains!!
Brilliant Steve, we’re do you list all your races? You have anymore in Scotland next year?
I am considering going back for the Ring of Steall next year, but we'll see how the year pans out. I don't have a public list of my race plans. I suppose I should!
How did the mudclaws hold up ?
Well they did a great job in the mud!! But they weren't so good on the rock. I'm not a fan of the minimal cushioning either so I'll only be wearing these in the specific conditions they are suited for.
How would this compare to the TDS, although the distance is quite different how is the pain cave threshold? Thanks love the video and your content…have a great weekend.
In terms of terrain it's similar in some respects and very different in others. You won't get any deep bogs on TDS, but the technical climbing and steep ascents are similar. With Ben Nevis you have to go as fast as you can for 12 hours and it's over pretty quickly. TDS is a much slower, long hike. So the pain is a different kind of pain. TDS is much more of a mental battle to keep moving forward. Ben Nevis is more a physical battle against the course.
@@FilmMyRun Thanks for the response, that is a great way of describing shorter stronger efforts in comparison to long slow tough exertions. Thanks again have a great weekend…
Ive only done 1 50k, the UTS50 so thats my toughest so far!
The UTS50 is right up there with the toughest 50k races in the UK. Definitely well done for finishing that one. What do you have planned next?
Great video with a very honest appraisal. However to correct one point 👉 that you are a mid pack runner. This isn't true no way after finishing Ben Nevis Ultra (incredibly tough) Lakeland 100, TDS, London and Berlin Marathons etc within a few weeks can you be described as this. What you are is an inspiration sir. Keep the videos coming.
Thank you. Very kind of you to say! Videos will continue!!
sub-12 hrs is definitely possible. keep pushing. all the best 👍🙏
I really think it is, but it may have to wait for a few years now!!
I aspire to be a sub 3hr "mid pack runner"
Haha, well yes. But I can only do a sub three marathon at the absolute top end of my fitness. I've only managed it once. I do genuinely consider myself a mid pack runner. And most of my race results would put me there.