Thank you for a fascinating program!! I used to be a baptised member of the WCG in Johannesburg, South Africa until I moved away because of a new job. I was there from 1969 until 1973. I really enjoyed my time there and there was no Church split yet. I now live in New Zealand and am 75 years old. I very much miss my old Church friends and sometimes pray for them. I also remember the Spokesmen Club and the wonderful Feast of Tabernacles in the coastal town of George, South Africa. I only have happy memories of the Church. Erich in New Zealand
I watched/listened to the entire interview. Mark is a great guest! I love how you two kept the conversation going which kept my interest high. I stumbled upon RCG in March and have read several of their books and have watched online videos with great interest. However, something just didn't seem right and I'm thankful Dawn took the time to look into this and again, for Mark being brave enough to be as open as he is. Looking forward to Part 2.
My religious knowledge is too long to explain. However, my belief in the True Christ, The begotten One of God The Father began late in my life. I believe Christ Jesus ran a tight group, and I recall the expectations placed on men and women by God's Holy inspired words through His Prophets. Before and much after Christ's time, tithing was observed and encouraged. Problems arose in the heart's of men given charge over the tithes + offerings it was called Greed! Christ Jesus caught one in His own group of twelve. If we are not members of any organized Christian churches where would we choose to place our 10 percent or offerings???? 🤔 Folks please be very careful, we don't live in old testament times, we do tend to repeat history unfortunately. The booklets are very educational and true to God's Holy words, we can help spread the truth of God's coming kingdom. Save your magazine's and gently used literature from these good folks. A donation is an offering, and helpful because paper and ink are not cheap 😁
@@ttawhaki The "pastor general" who claims to be an apostle is a liar and false on all angles , a big big liar but his ministers who are all his puppets support him, they can yell, shout and lie on his behalf, that's church is the most deceitful church I have ever seen, and yes at first I also thought it was the true church which stands by God's truth, but once you are in, you start to note all the wrong things about it... of late they threaten people that if they leave they will suffer, that's how messed up that church is.
I grew up in the world wild church of God. I was 8 years old in 1993 when the apostasy of the church happened,I kept the truths as a could over the years ,I went back to church/RCG with my family back in 2015/2016 and left when pack when off into his crazy preaching about the first Dominion ,my wife was Catholic before I should her truth of the bible ,and she saw something was of with what he was preaching. Now we are attending the living church of God ,things could be better.....but they have the truth of the bible and preach the word of God. As good as United Church of God.
I agree, Daniel . To me, being a member of WWCG in the 80's (Jan 11 85 baptized). Today, i find that the LCG group (humanly speaking, GOD knows '' who are his '' apart from human divisions, and a mutitude of names.) DOES IN FACT do what Mr Herbert Armstrong taught FIRSTLY, '' the kingdom of GOD ''. (the great ''' commision '' as we are TOLD BY JESUS TO DO ) I also find, that UCG is doing basically the same thing, BUT NOT IN SO A DIRECT - IN THIER FACE way.........(probably targets a more timid, less proud audience, such as introverts, various addictions of human beings, CUT OFF from thier maker ) . my constant prayer, is that our FATHER will truly, truly '' gather the hens under his ONE wing ). before HE sends Jesus to save us, (mankind) from ourselves......Psalm 133 '' how good and how pleasant for brethren to dwell in U N I T Y .) ..... a new word......'' unitified '' under one banner/title. Take care, bro !
But how could Mr Pack teach all this when he knew that the headquarters of God's kingdom will be in Jerusalem, not Wadsworth? Isn't this what he teaches in the literature?
I grew up in the WWCOG my parents are heavily involved in a splinter. My sister converted to Islam why it’s even harder. They all love they are working hard to get to Heaven. It has caused so much division in our family since I was a child. This year we were band from my parents thanksgiving why my daughter has a piercing and another has pink hair. I grew up in fear I was going to Hell
I tried to join this church twice. Praise the most high i didn't. Although i know alot of their doctrine is true to this day im very grateful for them. But they do behave like a cult. i never look up to people or churches i look for the message not the messenger. The pastor said i couldn't join the church because i wasn't married and living in sin. I said i consider myself married and they shouldn't leave me out because of that. The pastor was about 400 pounds and i said gluttony is a sin as well. And before this he demanded i got to church every Sabbath in canada over 3 hours away and said i didn't have faith because i said that's impractical, even though i had 2 jobs and going to school the Sabbath was my time to rest not to spend it driving.
The worldwide church of God is still alive it is a spiritual church . The gates of hell shall not prevail against my church. Those that worship him must worship him in spirit and In truth.
@@pamelathomas4555 He has lied for 6 years if not more by setting dates that Christ is coming when the Bible clearly says that no one knows the day and the hour, well Mr. Pack claims that he knows, all these dates have failed but he continues to this day. It doesn't end there, there is many other inconsistencies in his teaching more especially prophecy, it would take the whole day to write here all those things.
I have never been a member ir had any interest in becoming one. I am so thankful for this interview as what it has taught me, is that we witness a recurring phenomenon. How a recently established church having been seemingly founded on Biblical teachings, then starts to diverge from those fundamental teachings to some extent. This, I believe is because Satan, in his quest to prevent believers and would-be converts alike, from finding and living those truths, he targets the 'trusted' leadership. He allows the church to thrive, so the members are already in more thrall and awe of that leader than to God himself. He then targets that leader utilising the very same proven successful psychology he has always employed to recruit his own warriors against the Lord in preparation for the final showdown . By exploiting the basest of man's sinful desires, the primary ones being power, wealth and control, his powers of seduction are achieved; he has captured not only the leader but also the majority of the congregation. Satan has averted what was a threat to his mission by the corruption of what started out with Biblical facts and a wish to disseminate these far and wide. Finances that could have profited the preaching and spread of the Gospel is misappropriated by greed. This of course doesn't mean some truths aren't still taught - that is the clever part of the Devil's deception, there is sufficient to attract new less informed/discerning members. The other function it serves is that when many non-believers witness this cult-like state, it will discredit not just that organisation, but the Lord, in particular. I, in pursuance of the truth, having been very mindful of Satan's seductive techniques, constantly test every proposition against the ultimate authority I am blessed to have at my disposal, the written living Word of God. Any departure from what it instructs sets off alarm bells in both my head and heart. Never underestimate Satan's efforts to groom you, no greater prize for him than to enlist one who used to serve God. Jesus, along with the apostles constantly remind us to be vigilant and on our guard for this very reason. If uncertain about any doctrine, bring it to the Lord for verification. That is how I, by starting to question some of the mainstream Christian 'protestant' orthodoxies, have come to change the basis on which my relationship with God has been to the good. It should always be concerning, that any organisation should forbid such enquiry. If it is robust in its conviction, a church should not feel threatened by any debate, but can be strengthened by demonstrating in referencing the Bible, of their held beliefs. It reaffirms their position or it may find it cannot substantiate their claims, need to make a re-evaluation. This is how, I myself, discovered that sincerly but erroneously held beliefs
Restored church of God and all the splinters are building on another's foundation Herbert W Armstrong. The Bible speaks about not building on another's foundation. Romans 15:20.
“And thus I make it my ambition to preach the gospel, not where Christ has already been named, lest I build on someone else's foundation. Meaning of this passage is more to preach the word of God to people that have not heard of the Gospel, and not keep preaching it where is already known. We also build our house upon the rock the Rock which is Jesus Christ
The individual who has put his trust in Jesus Christ as his Savior is in personal fellowship with Him all the time. The eternal purpose of God in Jesus Christ is to give us this new relationship with God (John 3:16; 6:37, 39; 2 Corinthians 5:14-21). 1Corinthians 3:16-20 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.
Armstrong started the whole series of events that has led to RCG & the other COGs. Take a listen to the new podcast Worldwide: The Unchosen Church. Where many people have come forward about the issues with Armstrong & his beliefs.
Replacement theology is a LIE! the kingdom gospel was for Israel. The gospel of salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) is for the Body of Christ, the Church where there are no Jews, or Greeks, slaves, or free...just a new creation. Do not be deceived by false doctrines like the RCoG. There are different time periods, different groups of people. When Christ returns, He will restore the kingdom of heaven on earth and deal with the house of Israel and with His Church.
You attempted to smear RCG,, YOU FAILED. I FIND NO MISTAKES WITHIN HIS TEACHING AT RCG. I IN. Fact use RCG to teach others .I mainly correct ministers in the traditional falisy that have been handed down and are not the true Gospel . I do find mistakes/ lies in what you say Mark 🙂 . Please take a look at yourself and correct .
@@jakedubin8219 it doesn’t exist anymore! I think is Grace Communion International or GCI. They fell away from the truth of God! Now it’s more of mainstream group! And no I do not recommend them.
@@jakedubin8219 I wouldn’t but to each their own! You have to be fully convinced in your own mind that the church you attend is following & obeying God! Keeping the Sabbath(s) weekly & annual Holy Days) observing the dietary laws, having faith in Christ, knowing what scriptures really say about when we die! Differences btw hell, sheol, hades = grave; Tartarus/roo = place reserved for the angels and Gehenna Fire = Lake of 🔥. There’s No rapture, no trinity, no observing man’s secular holidays (xmas, Easter etc); that it takes both to please God by keeping his spiritual laws and grace!
Thank you for a fascinating program!!
I used to be a baptised member of the WCG in Johannesburg, South Africa until I moved away because of a new job. I was there from 1969 until 1973. I really enjoyed my time there and there was no Church split yet.
I now live in New Zealand and am 75 years old.
I very much miss my old Church friends and sometimes pray for them. I also remember the Spokesmen Club and the wonderful Feast of Tabernacles in the coastal town of George, South Africa. I only have happy memories of the Church.
Erich in New Zealand
I watched/listened to the entire interview. Mark is a great guest! I love how you two kept the conversation going which kept my interest high. I stumbled upon RCG in March and have read several of their books and have watched online videos with great interest. However, something just didn't seem right and I'm thankful Dawn took the time to look into this and again, for Mark being brave enough to be as open as he is. Looking forward to Part 2.
My religious knowledge is too long to explain. However, my belief in the True Christ, The begotten One of God The Father began late in my life.
I believe Christ Jesus ran a tight group, and I recall the expectations placed on men and women by God's Holy inspired words through His Prophets.
Before and much after Christ's time, tithing was observed and encouraged. Problems arose in the heart's of men given charge over the tithes + offerings it was called Greed! Christ Jesus caught one in His own group of twelve.
If we are not members of any organized Christian churches where would we choose to place our 10 percent or offerings???? 🤔
Folks please be very careful, we don't live in old testament times, we do tend to repeat history unfortunately.
The booklets are very educational and true to God's Holy words, we can help spread the truth of God's coming kingdom. Save your magazine's and gently used literature from these good folks. A donation is an offering, and helpful because paper and ink are not cheap 😁
Whats wrong with the content, from what I've read of the material, its straight from the bible, more information please?
@@ttawhakithey use that information only to draw people, once you come into the church you will see a different story
@@mickey801 yes I wondered that, wow, sounds more about controlling then feeding the flock
@@ttawhaki The "pastor general" who claims to be an apostle is a liar and false on all angles , a big big liar but his ministers who are all his puppets support him, they can yell, shout and lie on his behalf, that's church is the most deceitful church I have ever seen, and yes at first I also thought it was the true church which stands by God's truth, but once you are in, you start to note all the wrong things about it... of late they threaten people that if they leave they will suffer, that's how messed up that church is.
Mark is a great speaker and he seems very sincere and honest,bless + IN CHRIST JESUS NAME + amen
I grew up in the world wild church of God. I was 8 years old in 1993 when the apostasy of the church happened,I kept the truths as a could over the years ,I went back to church/RCG with my family back in 2015/2016 and left when pack when off into his crazy preaching about the first Dominion ,my wife was Catholic before I should her truth of the bible ,and she saw something was of with what he was preaching. Now we are attending the living church of God ,things could be better.....but they have the truth of the bible and preach the word of God. As good as United Church of God.
I agree, Daniel . To me, being a member of WWCG in the 80's (Jan 11 85 baptized). Today, i find that the LCG group (humanly speaking, GOD knows '' who are his '' apart from human divisions, and a mutitude of names.) DOES IN FACT do what Mr Herbert Armstrong taught FIRSTLY, '' the kingdom of GOD ''. (the great ''' commision '' as we are TOLD BY JESUS TO DO ) I also find, that UCG is doing basically the same thing, BUT NOT IN SO A DIRECT - IN THIER FACE way.........(probably targets a more timid, less proud audience, such as introverts, various addictions of human beings, CUT OFF from thier maker ) . my constant prayer, is that our FATHER will truly, truly '' gather the hens under his ONE wing ). before HE sends Jesus to save us, (mankind) from ourselves......Psalm 133 '' how good and how pleasant for brethren to dwell in U N I T Y .) ..... a new word......'' unitified '' under one banner/title. Take care, bro !
Is it okay to join RCG?
@@jakedubin8219 NO. THEY WILL TAKE ALL YOUR MONEY.
@@jongallo8771 oh
But how could Mr Pack teach all this when he knew that the headquarters of God's kingdom will be in Jerusalem, not Wadsworth? Isn't this what he teaches in the literature?
I grew up in the WWCOG my parents are heavily involved in a splinter. My sister converted to Islam why it’s even harder. They all love they are working hard to get to Heaven. It has caused so much division in our family since I was a child. This year we were band from my parents thanksgiving why my daughter has a piercing and another has pink hair. I grew up in fear I was going to Hell
I tried to join this church twice. Praise the most high i didn't. Although i know alot of their doctrine is true to this day im very grateful for them. But they do behave like a cult. i never look up to people or churches i look for the message not the messenger. The pastor said i couldn't join the church because i wasn't married and living in sin. I said i consider myself married and they shouldn't leave me out because of that. The pastor was about 400 pounds and i said gluttony is a sin as well. And before this he demanded i got to church every Sabbath in canada over 3 hours away and said i didn't have faith because i said that's impractical, even though i had 2 jobs and going to school the Sabbath was my time to rest not to spend it driving.
The worldwide church of God is still alive it is a spiritual church . The gates of hell shall not prevail against my church. Those that worship him must worship him in spirit and In truth.
You just never learn, do you?
what church are you a part of
Thank you Marc for doing these interviews, and I'm proud of you for leaving that compound, with it's lying leadership
Why do you call them lying leaders? explain.
@@pamelathomas4555 David C. Pack sets dates for the return of Jesus Christ. He has declared himself to be the end time Elijah.
@@pamelathomas4555 He has lied for 6 years if not more by setting dates that Christ is coming when the Bible clearly says that no one knows the day and the hour, well Mr. Pack claims that he knows, all these dates have failed but he continues to this day.
It doesn't end there, there is many other inconsistencies in his teaching more especially prophecy, it would take the whole day to write here all those things.
This guy knows what he is talking about. I was an ex- RCG members.
I'm happy you left.
I have never been a member ir had any interest in becoming one. I am so thankful for this interview as what it has taught me, is that we witness a recurring phenomenon. How a recently established church having been seemingly founded on Biblical teachings, then starts to diverge from those fundamental teachings to some extent. This, I believe is because Satan, in his quest to prevent believers and would-be converts alike, from finding and living those truths, he targets the 'trusted' leadership. He allows the church to thrive, so the members are already in more thrall and awe of that leader than to God himself. He then targets that leader utilising the very same proven successful psychology he has always employed to recruit his own warriors against the Lord in preparation for the final showdown . By exploiting the basest of man's sinful desires, the primary ones being power, wealth and control, his powers of seduction are achieved; he has captured not only the leader but also the majority of the congregation. Satan has averted what was a threat to his mission by the corruption of what started out with Biblical facts and a wish to disseminate these far and wide. Finances that could have profited the preaching and spread of the Gospel is misappropriated by greed. This of course doesn't mean some truths aren't still taught - that is the clever part of the Devil's deception, there is sufficient to attract new less informed/discerning members. The other function it serves is that when many non-believers witness this cult-like state, it will discredit not just that organisation, but the Lord, in particular.
I, in pursuance of the truth, having been very mindful of Satan's seductive techniques, constantly test every proposition against the ultimate authority I am blessed to have at my disposal, the written living Word of God. Any departure from what it instructs sets off alarm bells in both my head and heart. Never underestimate Satan's efforts to groom you, no greater prize for him than to enlist one who used to serve God. Jesus, along with the apostles constantly remind us to be vigilant and on our guard for this very reason. If uncertain about any doctrine, bring it to the Lord for verification. That is how I, by starting to question some of the mainstream Christian 'protestant' orthodoxies, have come to change the basis on which my relationship with God has been to the good. It should always be concerning, that any organisation should forbid such enquiry. If it is robust in its conviction, a church should not feel threatened by any debate, but can be strengthened by demonstrating in referencing the Bible, of their held beliefs. It reaffirms their position or it may find it cannot substantiate their claims, need to make a re-evaluation.
This is how, I myself, discovered that sincerly but erroneously held beliefs
Restored church of God and all the splinters are building on another's foundation Herbert W Armstrong. The Bible speaks about not building on another's foundation. Romans 15:20.
“And thus I make it my ambition to preach the gospel, not where Christ has already been named, lest I build on someone else's foundation.
Meaning of this passage is more to preach the word of God to people that have not heard of the Gospel, and not keep preaching it where is already known. We also build our house upon the rock the Rock which is Jesus Christ
Why are you still here? I thought Herbie was supposed to lead his worshipers to the "Place of Saftey" 🤣🤣
What is the perspective/motivation of the hostess?
The individual who has put his trust in Jesus Christ as his Savior is in personal fellowship with Him all the time. The eternal purpose of God in Jesus Christ is to give us this new relationship with God (John 3:16; 6:37, 39; 2 Corinthians 5:14-21). 1Corinthians 3:16-20 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.
None can come to me unless the Father calls you John 6:44
What translation is that???
They followed the false prophet, and they still keep the lies.
It started with restored church of God then went to putting down Armstrong WWCOG. Sad
Armstrong started the whole series of events that has led to RCG & the other COGs. Take a listen to the new podcast Worldwide: The Unchosen Church. Where many people have come forward about the issues with Armstrong & his beliefs.
Replacement theology is a LIE!
the kingdom gospel was for Israel.
The gospel of salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) is for the Body of Christ, the Church where there are no Jews, or Greeks, slaves, or free...just a new creation. Do not be deceived by false doctrines like the RCoG. There are different time periods, different groups of people.
When Christ returns, He will restore the kingdom of heaven on earth and deal with the house of Israel and with His Church.
Christ says he will return to Jerusalem the mount of olives.
It's a Pack of lies
Give me some examples of the lies. I am interested.
LOL can we C the Pack of lies? 😂
Nothing wrong with 2nd amendment!!
Turn off the bug zapper
Weird host, laughing awkwardly
More Hurbert Armstrong cult behavior.
Learn how to spell Herbert
SURE JESUS DIDNT HAVE N.D.As
..... ? LORD GOD...
The pastor's are not using the bible as references!
Untrue
Yeah, Satan quoted the Bible too.
@@billstetler6769is RCG true?
You attempted to smear RCG,, YOU FAILED. I FIND NO MISTAKES WITHIN HIS TEACHING AT RCG. I IN. Fact use RCG to teach others .I mainly correct ministers in the traditional falisy that have been handed down and are not the true Gospel . I do find mistakes/ lies in what you say Mark 🙂 . Please take a look at yourself and correct .
Thank God I’m still in the original WWCG you splinter groups are getting a little wild😂
Would you reccomend following WWCG?
@@jakedubin8219 it doesn’t exist anymore! I think is Grace Communion International or GCI. They fell away from the truth of God! Now it’s more of mainstream group! And no I do not recommend them.
@@tonywiggins8073 is it bad to join RCG?
@@jakedubin8219 I wouldn’t but to each their own! You have to be fully convinced in your own mind that the church you attend is following & obeying God! Keeping the Sabbath(s) weekly & annual Holy Days) observing the dietary laws, having faith in Christ, knowing what scriptures really say about when we die! Differences btw hell, sheol, hades = grave; Tartarus/roo = place reserved for the angels and Gehenna Fire = Lake of 🔥. There’s No rapture, no trinity, no observing man’s secular holidays (xmas, Easter etc); that it takes both to please God by keeping his spiritual laws and grace!
@@tonywiggins8073 how about philidelphia church of god ?