We understand why people hear differences in "sound quality" between FL Studio 11 and newer versions. This stems from differences in the default settings, and is solely related to audio level. To demonstrate this, we have created a video where we phase cancel the audio from FL Studio 11 and FL Studio 20 - th-cam.com/video/HrDNcI-SdEs/w-d-xo.html . As you can see in the video, the audio cancels perfectly, showing there is no inherent difference in sound quality between FL Studio 11 and newer versions. But yes, louder is often perceived as better. Enjoy ;)
Yes, the math doesn't lie. That's why I like math ❤ Good on you for clarifying that BS with some hard hitting facts haha. I watched it when it came out and it was a good watch. And I don't even use FL 😅
Placebo affects many musicians and this is an example. I too were one of those who thought that DAWs sounded different, by default. A null test (which is a scientific test) is the ONLY way to 100% prove whether a DAW sounds different or not. It's also a way to gauge how different those two audio sources are.
@@prodgrx Thats why this videos comment section is filled with fools like you lmao. Watch the full producer grind interview at least or idk, think for a second what Metro might have learned trough these years? Its evident different versions of software sound different, thats why they update the shits.
I use FL. They just clip the sampler into a stock limiter 😭😂😂 You can achieve this in any DAW. Dumb statements like these are why people look down FL users.
@@MotionBeatzfl 21 and 11 will phase cancel eachother its only a gain difference thats why image line themselves did a video on it 🤣 i been using fl since bout 9 or 10 forsure and the circular panning law off only adds extra gain like 2db. i didnt want to believe it until i tested multiple examples and exported things myself and tested in both 11 and 21 - 20 & them legacy effects are hilarious when people use the gain knobs when its easy to just add more gain tons of ways its not cool to have your oneshots in ur sample folders above 0db so they hardclip when previewing them lol
Yall really buying that marketing bullshit "fact explanation" by image line how its completely the same??? If you got good and trained ears, you can hear the difference as bright as a day.... It's the same if u compare pro tools with fl on windows... Pro tools Just sound more steely and sharp.... It definetly has something to do with the coding and export codec build.... Im not an programming expert, but my ears work great and im not the only one hearing these differences..... For most people who make music is this completely needless... But that doesnt mean the difference isn't true and has no impact.
lots of engineers and 'awarded' producers didn't realize such a simple reason for the overall loudness of what they were pumping out. It honestly worries me what defines 'professional'...
Many times it just means they have status in the industry, time and "success" (measured by sales). They could have 10 years as an engineer, have worked on big songs, and be well known, but still be lacking the quality.
That southside video is one of the biggest dumbest things I’ve ever seen in my life as a software engineer that is such bad business to release a different quality product on a different platform especially when you’re dealing with something like lossless audio in the form of a DAW. The fact that image line had to come out and debunk all of these myths. Should speak volumes. It’s, all superstition. And FL users don’t like change, even if it’s strictly graphical and super minor
It baffles me that lots of engineers and 'awarded' producers didn't realize such a simple reason for the overall loudness of what they were pumping out their master chain.
It was a great thing for newbies though. Imagine you're a DAY 1 producer and you decide to throw in a few sounds and your beat is not only terrible, but it's clipping like crazy and sounds like trash. You'd be 10x more likely to close FL and uninstall it and walk away for good than you would with the limiter being there to help out. The limiter allows brand new producers to feel like they are BETTER than they actually are by making their trashy distorted beat actually sound pretty decent (at least to new producers that have no idea wtf they're doing). FL knew this... Early on it was more about keeping their customers long term. They were seeing a ton of customers get the product and give up on it too soon.
These modern producers (ESPECIALLY for hip hop) literally make the same fucking trap beats over and over again, with very slight changes and little to no incentive to ever experiment with sound. I dont use FL Studio (im an Ableton Live user), but maybe if these producers actually were to go a bit more in-depth into sound design, maybe they could not sound so stupid. Im only a beginner, so whatever, I could just be saying a bunch of bullshit right now, but these platinum producers feel almost fake to me tbh. Edit: I have no problem with any DAW whatsoever. FL is probably great for a lot of people.
@@JETHEREALXIV ive been noticing that more producers nowadays have been changing their approach to making trap beats, and I really dig it actually. More experimentation is needed. But, i would be lying if I said that most trap beats in MAINSTREAM hip hop didnt sound the same. And to be fair, I dont hate trap. I think it can be as good as any other type of beat.
What entertains me is that the FL producers aren't good enough engineers to debunk this and the people that engineer their music don't understand the qualities of FL having barely used it
Ehhh... It really don't matter these days... Compared to how beats were made back in the day, all these DAWS can be considered making it "too easy " lol ... Yes of course some DAWS are better than others with the beat making process , but most of them pretty much do the same thing these days... In my case, for example, I use both FL studio 21 and studio One 5.... They both have similar features especially when it comes to the piano roll , etc... like you and others, I will agree that FL studio is more fluid and efficient with the actual beat making process... And for me, studio one and other DAWS is more efficient when it comes to vocal recording, and the mixing and mastering aspect of your music ... Just my experience and opinion though
@@DeeMaxum agreed, I use studio one as well for vocal recording and mixing but fl to make beats but will be using fl for vocal recording now. Fl studio is by far the easiest to me
For me the reason I like FL is the ease in which the workflow is to start a beat . Particularly the step sequencer to come up with drum patterns or chop up samples
We live in a world where everyone is right. Because, whatever you believe you can find people online that agree with you. Best advice I have ever got was to run your mix or stems through a pair of high quality preamps with line inputs and crank the inputs and trim with the outputs (crazy sound).
It has nothing to do with being louder. People who are mixing on Fruity loops just dont know what they are doing 90% of the time and dont properly balance the mix to -6 or -12 DB. They just send everything out clipping cause uhh " its hitting hard bro" and they dont know any other way to achieve that same dynamic effect without CLIPPING everything.
It’s not the magic wand it’s the magician. A lot of hip hop producers know what they hear but early on didn’t know what was happening under the hood. The better things sound out the gate gave producers time to more focusing on creating music vs editing. Soft clipping and limiting settings changed in various releases definitely will impact the sound. It’s like having a goto dish at a restaurant and a new cook was light on an ingredient.
FL10/11 has a Limiter on the master that was already boosted. Putting a clipper before that will inevitably make it sound better. That is rhetorical only reason.
If they use different, legacy effects which aren't exactly the same in the latest version, possible. But comparing exactly the same, I guess 32 bit plugins, maybe less, although on newer version there is probably necessity of using some bridge to support such plugins on a DAW side, so it can be still slightly different.
Many people pushed against the limiter on the master track before they even got to mixing. I've done that. Now I back off a little trying to stay below 0. Usually by the end of mixing there is no need to do much compressing or clipping. I don't know how is that a problem related to FL. I still may have the limiter on while writing just to monitor things easier.
I believe it's literally just because of the default limiter was at +5 or higher dB I believe where as with 20 and later the limiter is set for 0. So you had thousands of producers making beats in FL 10, FL 11.. that whether they realized it or not, were boosting their entire projects by 5 dB because of the default FL Limiter. Those that have been in the game for a long time probably just removed the limiter from the master channel, but I'd go as far as saying 80-90% of the producers out there just left it be and had no clue.
the fact that all these producers don't understand how digital software works is beyond me lol fl 11 or fl 20 or pro tools or studio one, neither doesn't have a "sound" by itself.
there is no such thing as "sounding more digital" . just add some noise in it and it will sound "more analog" cause saturation makes all the difference.
FL doesn’t have a sound that’s just a placebo, and even if it did have a sound you can make good music with any tools the tools don’t matter it’s about who’s using the tools
Yes, I use mixcraft 10 and fl studio people think I am using a old VHS player to make songs, but when I explained to some of them on how I made a 5/4 beat without using FL, they trash me and my software. When they show how they use effects and FL overall, it kinda looks like they smash random notes on the piano roll and expect it to sound good. I'm not trying to hate on FL studio users, but some of them think they know everything and give negative feedback on users that doesn't use FL. I seen a lot of people that are really good at FL studio and are supportive with users not using FL. But I'm just wondering why some of them trash on something that is not FL.
Bro never even heard of mixcraft 10! I could care less on what a song was made on - if it’s fire, it’s fire. Apologies on behalf of the toxic fl users, we ain’t all like that 🫱🏽🫲🏾
6:35 Fl studio wasn't lying, there's a few reasons for the "knock" but mainly opening up with the limiter gave it a basement thump I call it, but I realized it myself when I started recording vocals in Fl studio and had to always put Limiter on default setting.
I'm pretty new to beat making and such, only been using FL Studio heavily since October of 2022, I've used 21 and I've dabbled in 12 back in 2017 but didn't get invested in to beat making back then. I have no idea if FL Studio 21 still has that same stigma, but it's definitely not loud. I always find after I've exported a track that it's still not as loud as the average song is. Once I master it that's when it's volume hits that level I want. It's worth noting I also EQ everything so that the mixer shows their gain in the yellow, I always avoid red as that's obviously when it's clipping hard, which clipping bass and sub bass also cause my Focal headphones to clip
After learning what the limiter on the master was doing to my songs, I changed my default startup template to be completely blank. I understand *why* they set it up like that, but that decision has caused so many unintended consequences.
Yo this videos are 12 years old. I used FL on cross, Projects sounded on Mac and Win exact the same! Also: When making beats just using classic clipper on master. After exporting stems and going to Logic with same clipper settings on beat bus everything sound 1:1 the same. Differences in sound enginge WAS tru but in 2011 lol.. And do not come around with any bs.. Im using Fruity loops since version 3.6 (2001).. And if you use FL Limiter on your master your lost af.. against FL clipper nothing bad to say, for many prods this VST limiter is 2nd best after classic clipper.
I'm trying to learn more so corrxt me if I'm wrong, but dudes are just mixing the beat side by side with a pro track, letting the bass and kick clip and go red, and just tossing the softclipper on the master?
Been using FL STUDIO for 22 Years. Anyone who says FL Studio 11 sounds different is trippin. FL Studio 11 sounds EXACTLY the same as FL Studio 21. I even tested the myth out myself making the exact same record. No change to LUFS whatsoever lol.
its actually quite simple its just a nostalgia factor for producers. thats why some people hear a diffrent OG boot up sound even though its been the same.
My only problem with FL Studio was constant "E" error. Literally after loading a project there was that dialog box saying just "E". People assumed that this is from pirated copy of FL Studio. I've been using FL Studio since version 5, and haven't got that until version 10... So I fed up with FL, started using other DAWs, and landed with Reaper.
The Biggest problem in current FL is when you chop your audio in and out, if you don't zoom it It cuts the in and out a few millisecond earlier or farther, that souldn't be done so, even if you are in Line Mode, it fucks with the part where you meant to be sliced, it doesn't slice at the point where you clicked, try to zoom and look closely the fucked up part. everything is timing in music, if your chopped sample is not at exact time where you meant to slice it, it screws with the idea from your mind into your music actually, I never encountered this prob in older versions of FL, people mostly doesn't care about these important bits but it actually makes your music sound not the way you meant to sound.
Bro I just figured out the reason for this was that in FL sampled/imported sounds are at a higher default decible than Ableton. Ableton starts at -12 in sampler and simpler but change it to -6 in the bottom of the simpler/sampler and it eill sound like FL
This boils down to people not understanding how sound works. Not only can you null FL to other versions of FL, you can null FL to other daws if you understand what a limiter does. #shrugs Understanding how to produce is not the same as understanding how sound works. Thats why, in general, producers arent good engineers and vice versa.
❤1. From 2004 till 2010 I hated it. Was trash for me, coming from a rock and metal background it was to limiting for me. Was like basic af. I always used 3 or 4 Daws. Now its the same I use multiple Daws. I look at Daws for what each one is good at, some have a certain sound, some have certain arrangement tools, some have better standard VSTs, for me. But ive always had a hybrid workflow, using a daw for one synth or drum sound BOUNCING THAT INTO ProTools, then recording live instruments into Pro tools, 50% in the box, 50% real instruments
FL is louder out of the box than all of my other DAWs. I was making the same beat across different DAWs, same exact beat using the same sample (I actually used the default ones from FL) and FL just hit harder. Now I'm not an FL guy, I bought it to learn it and I can definitely get my other DAWs to the same level, but FL does it out of the box with no effort and it just sounds dope. Like the default 808 Snare has this stereo effect that just doesn't sound the same even if using the same sample in Logic, Ableton, Bitwig, or Reason (I have all of them). I haven't used FL on a PC in years so I can't comment on that. I'm convinced it's something FL's built in sampler is doing.
metro boomin thinks he knows fl studio better than the fucking programmers of fl studio😂😂😂 why everybody gets so cocky after making it. Keep learning and stay humble
I use Reason and bought a sound pack from someone who made it on FL Studio, the claps and kicks where to harsh for My ear. You know when hear a dope beat but your eyes are flitting out at every kick and clap, makes you feel like chork down a black board? I don't like it, and had to compress that shxx heavy.
Someone explain why I used the exact same stems from a beat and pushed them through the soft clipper in 11 and 21, phase reversed them and they didn’t cancel out? I’m believing metro
The algorithm got changed for Fruity Soft Clipper, as many plug-ins got updated. The DAW itself has no sound modifications except the triangular/circular panning law that might perceive panning/volume a bit differently. As many have pointed out, it's bececause of the FL Limiter.
This stuff drives me mad. Having a friend tell me to just run it through pro tools because they think it's gonna make it sound better. People are fucking stupid. 😂 shit like this made me quit working with other producers and rappers.
Bro this has been debunked so many times. These dudes can’t even explain what they are talking about because they don’t know. They’re talking about clipping, they just have no idea what that actually is or how to do it in other DAWs.
it’s like an old mpc 2500 or 2000 vs a new mpc one. imo the work flow is slightly different with the way the looping works in the channel rack in fl11 and it just has its own texture. fl 21 is still valid but i can understand why people like metro, wheezy, turbo, atl jacob, and more still like to use fl 11
image line should just remove that default limiter from the main mix channel or set it to legacy gain settings. all these people never taking a look at their main channel is bothering me way too much.
This goes to show you these “producers” don’t actually know a thing about sound engineering lol. Fl studio used to have a limiter on the master track. They removed this in the new versions. People are dumb. All FL studio versions sound the same.
protools was always barely a notch above trash... when i first saw it i was confused as to why it was "the standard". this was like 2003. I always used ableton, but if I was to record a band, I would want to use nuendo... if it's still around I guess, lol
I noticed the same thing, but if u listen closely with a decent pair of headphones, you’ll also notice that the quality drops significantly; the low-end gets washed out & the whole mix sounds more compressed. I think what u described as “harder” was a mixture of an increase in output volume + added compression, which video processing software(s) tends to do. Adobe Premier seems to do the same thing every time I export a music video, even at the highest setting possible, there are some changes in the audio quality.
Ive tried using FL since the very 1st version, but grew up on pro tools and use logic now. Will hop on FL here and there amd love the control over the 808s on FL since like 10 or 11 I think. I only got 20 now but always wished I was better at getting around on FL, just seems like every time I get on FL I cant do what Im trying to and get stuck trying to figure out how to do the same stuff I do in other DAWs in FL. Like some things still dont make sense to me routing wise and on a seq level but yeah
almost all popular music today is made on fl bruh, and its a bunch of old and middle aged ppl with a problem. maybe they should just look at how they produce. or learn to mix a fucking beat if its too loud. add an eq. why are ppl acting like u cant tweak the volume of a beat on fl?😭
Image line addressed this already like two or three videos ago. My problem with fl is with switching out 808s samples in the same window. After 5 or 10 it turns to this faded out tin sound. Ive tried everything and even fl cant seem to figure out why. Anyone else notice this
@@Ra_Sharpness hmm I’m not sure then, maybe you can upload a video so I can have a better idea. I know when I drag some 808 samples the time stretch sometimes changes and that’s what I’ve done in the past to fix it.
Different software has different defaults, some are less sane than others. You can usually make anything sound like anything else with enough fiddling.
FL is the lebron james of DAWS...does alot of great things but all you see is people downplaying it and making videos like this LOL its currently 350 pm and ive already seen fl slander on facebook IG and youtube today LMAO FL living in yall heads rent free ATP
Man I use MPC along with FL but mostly MPC inside of studio One. You literally have to do nothing to your drums to get them to knock with a mpc...and i came from the FL generation but there's no comparison.
Its always up to the producer you can get someone like kaytronada who knows how to swing their drums and uses FL but you also get the whole played out 10 to 15 years to present of trap music with played out triplet hats because there so easy to paint in. Not gonna lie I blame fruity loops for it lol o just watched the video they forgot about the default limiter lol
i don't see a problem i am using fl 12 and i like it better than 20 and 21 and it is never too loud for me. sometimes i have to even make it louder haha
Never thought about this and for some time I thought I was going crazy but then I figured it was just that my mixes sucked. All that was fixed when I really started learning how to arrange and mix😂 Bruh I promise you if they pull out one of those "banging mixes" right now they be like...WTF is this shit💀
FL on Mac sounds like abelton……in fact, most modern software sounds digitized like a brick wall. It’s because a higher bit rate the sound is cleaner but a lower bit rate the sounds get distorted (in a good way) that’s what metro was trying to say Abelton, Maschine, FL on Mac all sounds the same even the never mpcs the same thing the sound is cleaner than prior however that’s not necessarily a good thing
We understand why people hear differences in "sound quality" between FL Studio 11 and newer versions. This stems from differences in the default settings, and is solely related to audio level. To demonstrate this, we have created a video where we phase cancel the audio from FL Studio 11 and FL Studio 20 - th-cam.com/video/HrDNcI-SdEs/w-d-xo.html . As you can see in the video, the audio cancels perfectly, showing there is no inherent difference in sound quality between FL Studio 11 and newer versions. But yes, louder is often perceived as better. Enjoy ;)
naaaaa fl studio responded ts crazyyyy
Y'all should make the soft clipper on the master the default ngl
Yes, the math doesn't lie. That's why I like math ❤
Good on you for clarifying that BS with some hard hitting facts haha. I watched it when it came out and it was a good watch. And I don't even use FL 😅
Placebo affects many musicians and this is an example. I too were one of those who thought that DAWs sounded different, by default. A null test (which is a scientific test) is the ONLY way to 100% prove whether a DAW sounds different or not. It's also a way to gauge how different those two audio sources are.
FL studio you guys shouldn't listen to these guys who have no engineering knowledge
It amazes me how so many industry producers can be so dumb at this point😂
Someone sounds bitter
All they know is making beats nothing else lol
Metro boomin knows more about music producing than anyone on this comment section fool
@@kultw1837 thats not what the video shows
@@prodgrx Thats why this videos comment section is filled with fools like you lmao. Watch the full producer grind interview at least or idk, think for a second what Metro might have learned trough these years? Its evident different versions of software sound different, thats why they update the shits.
As an FL user i can confirm we’re not all like this 😂
Wanna start a cult?👀
LOL, this is why I'm partially ashamed to say which DAW I use when asked by other engineers and musicians.
this video is about a niche audience thats why, you had to be apart of the FL history i personally started with FL8/ more of FL9.
@@DedVerse ahh yes. FL 9 was the first one i had downloaded then 10 came out soon after.
I use FL. They just clip the sampler into a stock limiter 😭😂😂 You can achieve this in any DAW. Dumb statements like these are why people look down FL users.
Facts people have been destroyed in beat battles by fl users plenty of times 😂
FL11 is better. No one uses that garbage limiter especially on the master, it still hits better on 11
@@MotionBeatzfl 21 and 11 will phase cancel eachother its only a gain difference thats why image line themselves did a video on it 🤣 i been using fl since bout 9 or 10 forsure and the circular panning law off only adds extra gain like 2db.
i didnt want to believe it until i tested multiple examples and exported things myself and tested in both 11 and 21 - 20 & them legacy effects are hilarious when people use the gain knobs when its easy to just add more gain tons of ways its not cool to have your oneshots in ur sample folders above 0db so they hardclip when previewing them lol
Yall really buying that marketing bullshit "fact explanation" by image line how its completely the same???
If you got good and trained ears, you can hear the difference as bright as a day.... It's the same if u compare pro tools with fl on windows... Pro tools Just sound more steely and sharp.... It definetly has something to do with the coding and export codec build.... Im not an programming expert, but my ears work great and im not the only one hearing these differences.....
For most people who make music is this completely needless... But that doesnt mean the difference isn't true and has no impact.
@@808siyojust a little science for you, the fact that the output from 11 and 21 phase cancels each other means it’s exactly the same
lots of engineers and 'awarded' producers didn't realize such a simple reason for the overall loudness of what they were pumping out. It honestly worries me what defines 'professional'...
Many times it just means they have status in the industry, time and "success" (measured by sales). They could have 10 years as an engineer, have worked on big songs, and be well known, but still be lacking the quality.
@@xiuyxy Yeah I fully agree with that
It just comes to show that if you pull the right strings you can be successful and still be a mid-tier producer/engineer
Sounds like you’re bitter
a professional is just someone who makes money with their craft.
That southside video is one of the biggest dumbest things I’ve ever seen in my life as a software engineer that is such bad business to release a different quality product on a different platform especially when you’re dealing with something like lossless audio in the form of a DAW. The fact that image line had to come out and debunk all of these myths. Should speak volumes. It’s, all superstition. And FL users don’t like change, even if it’s strictly graphical and super minor
Big time producers like to use their credibility to prove their statement when thts not the case lol
FL 11 hits harder because at the time they couldn't crack FL 20
It baffles me that lots of engineers and 'awarded' producers didn't realize such a simple reason for the overall loudness of what they were pumping out their master chain.
I agree with all but last sentence lol I hit that update immediately
@@byPerriBeatstrue 😅, i hear a lot of people say i dont know anything about FL if i use 21, they say 20 is better... you can probably guess why.
Having that limiter on the FL 11 master was the worst thing Image-Line ever did for themselves 😭
No one uses a limiter on the master wtf
We all switch it off 😂😂😂🤦🤦🤦
I always change the start up to empty my don't open with no limiter 😂
I dont think yall know how to use the limiter 😗🥤
It was a great thing for newbies though. Imagine you're a DAY 1 producer and you decide to throw in a few sounds and your beat is not only terrible, but it's clipping like crazy and sounds like trash. You'd be 10x more likely to close FL and uninstall it and walk away for good than you would with the limiter being there to help out. The limiter allows brand new producers to feel like they are BETTER than they actually are by making their trashy distorted beat actually sound pretty decent (at least to new producers that have no idea wtf they're doing). FL knew this... Early on it was more about keeping their customers long term. They were seeing a ton of customers get the product and give up on it too soon.
Is amazing how professional music producers inside the music industry knows so litle about sound.
These modern producers (ESPECIALLY for hip hop) literally make the same fucking trap beats over and over again, with very slight changes and little to no incentive to ever experiment with sound. I dont use FL Studio (im an Ableton Live user), but maybe if these producers actually were to go a bit more in-depth into sound design, maybe they could not sound so stupid. Im only a beginner, so whatever, I could just be saying a bunch of bullshit right now, but these platinum producers feel almost fake to me tbh.
Edit: I have no problem with any DAW whatsoever. FL is probably great for a lot of people.
@@voltywolty340beginner or not, you're totally right 💯
@@voltywolty340If you think producers use the same trap beat over and over then you are not listening to enough hip hop
@@JETHEREALXIV ive been noticing that more producers nowadays have been changing their approach to making trap beats, and I really dig it actually. More experimentation is needed. But, i would be lying if I said that most trap beats in MAINSTREAM hip hop didnt sound the same.
And to be fair, I dont hate trap. I think it can be as good as any other type of beat.
@@JETHEREALXIVtrap is the same thing over and over again
What entertains me is that the FL producers aren't good enough engineers to debunk this and the people that engineer their music don't understand the qualities of FL having barely used it
We should adopt that “way too easy” saying, other daws make it “way to hard” to make music… we just get straight to the music. FL GANG🔥
this is real asl
Ehhh... It really don't matter these days... Compared to how beats were made back in the day, all these DAWS can be considered making it "too easy " lol ... Yes of course some DAWS are better than others with the beat making process , but most of them pretty much do the same thing these days... In my case, for example, I use both FL studio 21 and studio One 5.... They both have similar features especially when it comes to the piano roll , etc... like you and others, I will agree that FL studio is more fluid and efficient with the actual beat making process... And for me, studio one and other DAWS is more efficient when it comes to vocal recording, and the mixing and mastering aspect of your music ... Just my experience and opinion though
@@DeeMaxum agreed, I use studio one as well for vocal recording and mixing but fl to make beats but will be using fl for vocal recording now. Fl studio is by far the easiest to me
I laugh every time I see producers I look up to this much lack this much knowledge of their own tools. But like bro said, he has EARS
For me the reason I like FL is the ease in which the workflow is to start a beat . Particularly the step sequencer to come up with drum patterns or chop up samples
Fast and efficient
Have you tried Serato Studio?
Studio one is the easiest most straight forward to me! I tried fl forever at my start and couldn’t figure it out.
The secret is really just gain and a good soft clipper. You can indeed make any daw sound like fl. Like they say, just turn the drums up.
You would think the controversy would be over after Image Line’s statement 😂
Literally 😂
They are like the flat earthers of audio engineering. Oh wait. That's just "audiophiles".
We live in a world where everyone is right. Because, whatever you believe you can find people online that agree with you. Best advice I have ever got was to run your mix or stems through a pair of high quality preamps with line inputs and crank the inputs and trim with the outputs (crazy sound).
It has nothing to do with being louder. People who are mixing on Fruity loops just dont know what they are doing 90% of the time and dont properly balance the mix to -6 or -12 DB. They just send everything out clipping cause uhh " its hitting hard bro" and they dont know any other way to achieve that same dynamic effect without CLIPPING everything.
Music is subjective stop being a snob. I bet you sound like all the fuckin haters when hip hop started
It’s not the magic wand it’s the magician. A lot of hip hop producers know what they hear but early on didn’t know what was happening under the hood. The better things sound out the gate gave producers time to more focusing on creating music vs editing. Soft clipping and limiting settings changed in various releases definitely will impact the sound. It’s like having a goto dish at a restaurant and a new cook was light on an ingredient.
Facts
that Dj Khaled part get me every time "too Easy"🤣
FL10/11 has a Limiter on the master that was already boosted. Putting a clipper before that will inevitably make it sound better. That is rhetorical only reason.
Facts
even without the limiter on, it hits different
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If they use different, legacy effects which aren't exactly the same in the latest version, possible.
But comparing exactly the same, I guess 32 bit plugins, maybe less, although on newer version there is probably necessity of using some bridge to support such plugins on a DAW side, so it can be still slightly different.
Many people pushed against the limiter on the master track before they even got to mixing. I've done that. Now I back off a little trying to stay below 0. Usually by the end of mixing there is no need to do much compressing or clipping. I don't know how is that a problem related to FL. I still may have the limiter on while writing just to monitor things easier.
I believe it's literally just because of the default limiter was at +5 or higher dB I believe where as with 20 and later the limiter is set for 0.
So you had thousands of producers making beats in FL 10, FL 11.. that whether they realized it or not, were boosting their entire projects
by 5 dB because of the default FL Limiter. Those that have been in the game for a long time probably just removed the limiter from the
master channel, but I'd go as far as saying 80-90% of the producers out there just left it be and had no clue.
that says a lot about those producers. their knowledge is close to zero when they do not know or realise how the sound is better or worst in any case.
People just need to learn how to use the software properly 🤦🏾♂️
The delay compensation certainly improved. Buts it’s the same. Also most ATL trap Prods don’t mix their beats.
the fact that all these producers don't understand how digital software works is beyond me lol
fl 11 or fl 20 or pro tools or studio one, neither doesn't have a "sound" by itself.
It's the effect on the master that changed the sound (Fl limiter and soft clipper)
@@plug.9464 i watched the video
@@plug.9464if anything soft clipper, not this garbage limiter
studio one kinda has a sound ngl
ableton too
They also added that there was a bug in the triangle panning law if selected added 3dB across all patterns.
Daws don’t have a sound. Until you clip it, or pitch / time stretch.
when I installed fl 20 after fl 11 in 19, I immediately noticed on old projects that the sound was more digital
there is no such thing as "sounding more digital" . just add some noise in it and it will sound "more analog" cause saturation makes all the difference.
Metro comparing himself to a neuroscientist really brought this whole thing home lmao these mfs have no idea what they’re talking about
Well said, so may “it sound like… um.. it sound like uh more…”
dont know who can learn anything from that dude.dont know who listens to these podcasts.
FL doesn’t have a sound that’s just a placebo, and even if it did have a sound you can make good music with any tools the tools don’t matter it’s about who’s using the tools
Yes, I use mixcraft 10 and fl studio people think I am using a old VHS player to make songs, but when I explained to some of them on how I made a 5/4 beat without using FL, they trash me and my software. When they show how they use effects and FL overall, it kinda looks like they smash random notes on the piano roll and expect it to sound good.
I'm not trying to hate on FL studio users, but some of them think they know everything and give negative feedback on users that doesn't use FL.
I seen a lot of people that are really good at FL studio and are supportive with users not using FL. But I'm just wondering why some of them trash on something that is not FL.
Bro never even heard of mixcraft 10! I could care less on what a song was made on - if it’s fire, it’s fire.
Apologies on behalf of the toxic fl users, we ain’t all like that 🫱🏽🫲🏾
These dudes use FL 10 cause they’re pirated version can’t be updated
Could just download the pirated version of 21
Its 2023 wtf. Its just better keep hating like you’re not broke
how do you not see the active limiter on the master?
6:35 Fl studio wasn't lying, there's a few reasons for the "knock" but mainly opening up with the limiter gave it a basement thump I call it, but I realized it myself when I started recording vocals in Fl studio and had to always put Limiter on default setting.
the real reason producers were stuck in the old version is because 20 wasn't cracked fast lmao
😭😭😭😭
Imagine using an older version of software just because you don’t understand the limiter is just setup a different way 😂
I'm pretty new to beat making and such, only been using FL Studio heavily since October of 2022, I've used 21 and I've dabbled in 12 back in 2017 but didn't get invested in to beat making back then. I have no idea if FL Studio 21 still has that same stigma, but it's definitely not loud. I always find after I've exported a track that it's still not as loud as the average song is. Once I master it that's when it's volume hits that level I want. It's worth noting I also EQ everything so that the mixer shows their gain in the yellow, I always avoid red as that's obviously when it's clipping hard, which clipping bass and sub bass also cause my Focal headphones to clip
“It’s called too easy” 😂😂
Y’all don’t know how to use the limiter
That cat said he has "great ears" foh lol
After learning what the limiter on the master was doing to my songs, I changed my default startup template to be completely blank.
I understand *why* they set it up like that, but that decision has caused so many unintended consequences.
Yo this videos are 12 years old. I used FL on cross, Projects sounded on Mac and Win exact the same! Also: When making beats just using classic clipper on master. After exporting stems and going to Logic with same clipper settings on beat bus everything sound 1:1 the same. Differences in sound enginge WAS tru but in 2011 lol.. And do not come around with any bs.. Im using Fruity loops since version 3.6 (2001).. And if you use FL Limiter on your master your lost af.. against FL clipper nothing bad to say, for many prods this VST limiter is 2nd best after classic clipper.
I'm trying to learn more so corrxt me if I'm wrong, but dudes are just mixing the beat side by side with a pro track, letting the bass and kick clip and go red, and just tossing the softclipper on the master?
Been using FL STUDIO for 22 Years. Anyone who says FL Studio 11 sounds different is trippin. FL Studio 11 sounds EXACTLY the same as FL Studio 21. I even tested the myth out myself making the exact same record. No change to LUFS whatsoever lol.
its actually quite simple its just a nostalgia factor for producers.
thats why some people hear a diffrent OG boot up sound even though its been the same.
I never Heard a change in sound quality between fl11/12/20/21, am i the crazy one?
My only problem with FL Studio was constant "E" error. Literally after loading a project there was that dialog box saying just "E".
People assumed that this is from pirated copy of FL Studio. I've been using FL Studio since version 5, and haven't got that until version 10...
So I fed up with FL, started using other DAWs, and landed with Reaper.
6:30 that makes sense. I wonder why and its because i have it on the template without the limiter
The Biggest problem in current FL is when you chop your audio in and out, if you don't zoom it It cuts the in and out a few millisecond earlier or farther, that souldn't be done so, even if you are in Line Mode, it fucks with the part where you meant to be sliced, it doesn't slice at the point where you clicked, try to zoom and look closely the fucked up part. everything is timing in music, if your chopped sample is not at exact time where you meant to slice it, it screws with the idea from your mind into your music actually, I never encountered this prob in older versions of FL, people mostly doesn't care about these important bits but it actually makes your music sound not the way you meant to sound.
Whaaat? You mean when exporting a playlist ?
We been waiting for this video fr!!
Bro I just figured out the reason for this was that in FL sampled/imported sounds are at a higher default decible than Ableton. Ableton starts at -12 in sampler and simpler but change it to -6 in the bottom of the simpler/sampler and it eill sound like FL
This boils down to people not understanding how sound works. Not only can you null FL to other versions of FL, you can null FL to other daws if you understand what a limiter does. #shrugs
Understanding how to produce is not the same as understanding how sound works. Thats why, in general, producers arent good engineers and vice versa.
❤1. From 2004 till 2010 I hated it. Was trash for me, coming from a rock and metal background it was to limiting for me. Was like basic af.
I always used 3 or 4 Daws. Now its the same I use multiple Daws. I look at Daws for what each one is good at, some have a certain sound, some have certain arrangement tools, some have better standard VSTs, for me. But ive always had a hybrid workflow, using a daw for one synth or drum sound BOUNCING THAT INTO ProTools, then recording live instruments into Pro tools, 50% in the box, 50% real instruments
3:45 so wild to me that producers that have made millions of dollars or made hit records cant even articulate very common concepts like soft clipping
FL is louder out of the box than all of my other DAWs. I was making the same beat across different DAWs, same exact beat using the same sample (I actually used the default ones from FL) and FL just hit harder. Now I'm not an FL guy, I bought it to learn it and I can definitely get my other DAWs to the same level, but FL does it out of the box with no effort and it just sounds dope. Like the default 808 Snare has this stereo effect that just doesn't sound the same even if using the same sample in Logic, Ableton, Bitwig, or Reason (I have all of them). I haven't used FL on a PC in years so I can't comment on that. I'm convinced it's something FL's built in sampler is doing.
metro boomin thinks he knows fl studio better than the fucking programmers of fl studio😂😂😂 why everybody gets so cocky after making it. Keep learning and stay humble
A DAW won’t make your drums hit harder
I used FL 10, FL 11, 12, 20, and 21 and I’ve never noticed any difference between any of them.
I use Reason and bought a sound pack from someone who made it on FL Studio, the claps and kicks where to harsh for My ear. You know when hear a dope beat but your eyes are flitting out at every kick and clap, makes you feel like chork down a black board? I don't like it, and had to compress that shxx heavy.
Someone explain why I used the exact same stems from a beat and pushed them through the soft clipper in 11 and 21, phase reversed them and they didn’t cancel out? I’m believing metro
The algorithm got changed for Fruity Soft Clipper, as many plug-ins got updated. The DAW itself has no sound modifications except the triangular/circular panning law that might perceive panning/volume a bit differently. As many have pointed out, it's bececause of the FL Limiter.
I have Reaper (mainly used), Ableton and Fl but didn't know how Fl makes "clear and loud" master without the bunch of 3rd party plugins.
reaper free to so yeah great deal
I’ve read somewhere that it had to do with asio configuration in 11 not being available in 20.
I still miss the TS404 :(
Hell yea dude video quality moving up! Loving the pacing
These kids calling themselves "producers" and not even knowing wth are they doing blows my mind
Its just trap music
@@peezyy3 no its not bro please we are doing groundbreaking shit, we're making hits. you cant touch us please believe me bro.
Crazy you call yourself a “gamer” with a minecraft profile photo LOL
its literally because their software doesn't remove clipped audio from the session, its louder cause its literally louder lol
This stuff drives me mad. Having a friend tell me to just run it through pro tools because they think it's gonna make it sound better. People are fucking stupid. 😂 shit like this made me quit working with other producers and rappers.
Also you have to be using a windows 32bit os. Fl 11 wont sound the same on a newer os.
Bro this has been debunked so many times. These dudes can’t even explain what they are talking about because they don’t know.
They’re talking about clipping, they just have no idea what that actually is or how to do it in other DAWs.
I'm not sure about it being that much of a difference, I've been using FL since FL7 but I'm stuck at FL12, I don't know I love it here
It just comes to me at night
it’s like an old mpc 2500 or 2000 vs a new mpc one. imo the work flow is slightly different with the way the looping works in the channel rack in fl11 and it just has its own texture. fl 21 is still valid but i can understand why people like metro, wheezy, turbo, atl jacob, and more still like to use fl 11
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If its not analog, it all has the same cold digital sound.
image line should just remove that default limiter from the main mix channel or set it to legacy gain settings. all these people never taking a look at their main channel is bothering me way too much.
This is good af bro this is gonna get crazy views
This goes to show you these “producers” don’t actually know a thing about sound engineering lol. Fl studio used to have a limiter on the master track. They removed this in the new versions. People are dumb. All FL studio versions sound the same.
protools was always barely a notch above trash... when i first saw it i was confused as to why it was "the standard". this was like 2003. I always used ableton, but if I was to record a band, I would want to use nuendo... if it's still around I guess, lol
THESE EDITS ARE KILLING ME G LMAOO
ITS CALLED...
TOO EASY
Bought FL Studio once, and they’ve never asked me for another penny. Upgrade after upgrade never tried to hustle me. They’ll always have my loyalty.
Been using Fl 20 years and I've noticed screen captured audio from obs sometimes hits harder than the exported version
I noticed the same thing, but if u listen closely with a decent pair of headphones, you’ll also notice that the quality drops significantly; the low-end gets washed out & the whole mix sounds more compressed. I think what u described as “harder” was a mixture of an increase in output volume + added compression, which video processing software(s) tends to do. Adobe Premier seems to do the same thing every time I export a music video, even at the highest setting possible, there are some changes in the audio quality.
Isn't there a real-time export feature like Cakewalk/Sonar has?
@@OfficialTonyTK i believe you are correct
i prefer 11 but not for this reason, mostly for pattern blocks and ui
Metro really think he smarter than the people at image-line 😂
Ive tried using FL since the very 1st version, but grew up on pro tools and use logic now. Will hop on FL here and there amd love the control over the 808s on FL since like 10 or 11 I think. I only got 20 now but always wished I was better at getting around on FL, just seems like every time I get on FL I cant do what Im trying to and get stuck trying to figure out how to do the same stuff I do in other DAWs in FL.
Like some things still dont make sense to me routing wise and on a seq level but yeah
Yet, not a single null test was conducted. Fucking incredible 😂
Just do your thing ..whatever works for you
Hii george, could you do a video breaking down some of the cheaper speakers mix engineers have been using.
almost all popular music today is made on fl bruh, and its a bunch of old and middle aged ppl with a problem. maybe they should just look at how they produce. or learn to mix a fucking beat if its too loud. add an eq. why are ppl acting like u cant tweak the volume of a beat on fl?😭
Lmmfao that clip of Khaled "Its too easy" 😂😂😂
A bad workman will blame his tools... 😂😂😂
FL is dope overall, but 10-12 caught me... and 7 was a catcher too.
Dudes who are not tech sound say stuff like that
T-Rack Soft clipper is the loudest thing i’ve experienced on projects
Image line addressed this already like two or three videos ago.
My problem with fl is with switching out 808s samples in the same window. After 5 or 10 it turns to this faded out tin sound. Ive tried everything and even fl cant seem to figure out why. Anyone else notice this
It’s probably the time stretch in the 808. You need to middle mouse click it and it should go back to default.
@wesleyrim just tried that it didnt fix it. But thanks for the help i appreciate it
@@Ra_Sharpness hmm I’m not sure then, maybe you can upload a video so I can have a better idea. I know when I drag some 808 samples the time stretch sometimes changes and that’s what I’ve done in the past to fix it.
Different software has different defaults, some are less sane than others. You can usually make anything sound like anything else with enough fiddling.
FL is the lebron james of DAWS...does alot of great things but all you see is people downplaying it and making videos like this LOL its currently 350 pm and ive already seen fl slander on facebook IG and youtube today LMAO FL living in yall heads rent free ATP
FL goated
A1 analogy 🔥🔥🔥
@@lighterwaves5659 thanks brother we gotta protect FL at all costs💯
@@MotionBeatz BIG GOATED🐐
y'all really need to tap into the type 3 civilianization spacecraft that is ableton
Man I use MPC along with FL but mostly MPC inside of studio One. You literally have to do nothing to your drums to get them to knock with a mpc...and i came from the FL generation but there's no comparison.
Its always up to the producer you can get someone like kaytronada who knows how to swing their drums and uses FL but you also get the whole played out 10 to 15 years to present of trap music with played out triplet hats because there so easy to paint in. Not gonna lie I blame fruity loops for it lol o just watched the video they forgot about the default limiter lol
your ears can argue with everything except a null test.
"I was in a loudness war with Fruity Loops" 😹
i don't see a problem i am using fl 12 and i like it better than 20 and 21 and it is never too loud for me. sometimes i have to even make it louder haha
Never thought about this and for some time I thought I was going crazy but then I figured it was just that my mixes sucked. All that was fixed when I really started learning how to arrange and mix😂
Bruh I promise you if they pull out one of those "banging mixes" right now they be like...WTF is this shit💀
its called remove the limiter lmfao....
FL on Mac sounds like abelton……in fact, most modern software sounds digitized like a brick wall. It’s because a higher bit rate the sound is cleaner but a lower bit rate the sounds get distorted (in a good way) that’s what metro was trying to say Abelton, Maschine, FL on Mac all sounds the same even the never mpcs the same thing the sound is cleaner than prior however that’s not necessarily a good thing