Consider This: Sulu Claimants | Malaysia's Next Move?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2024
- Was the US$15bil arbitration award for the descendants of the sultan of Sulu not taken seriously by Putrajaya until the seizure of the Petronas assets? Tonight on #ConsiderThis we ask our guests what lies ahead in this dispute.
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Just to get this corrected. The original deal in 1878 - The Sulu sultan leases Sabah to the British North Borneo Co., represented by Englishman Alfred Dent and German Gustavus Baron de Overbeck in a deed of pajak (“lease”) in which the company would pay 5,300 Mexican gold pieces a year to the Kingdom of Sulu. Instead it was converted to ringgit. This is one of the reasons why the rent ballooned to 14.9 billion dollars in todays money. I hope this helps you all see the truth.
The deception, manipulation were undeniably conspicuous and the international court had seen it all. The rightful owners deserve equitable compensation. To Malaysia, Ninoy Aquino has long been gone, give to the heirs due them.
Go back to your land malaysia. A victory to all sulu people and filipino people. Mabuhay
British is the one how need to fix this to clear everything. If you are renting you dont have the right to give it away even what your country say. And they are afraid if this is proven they have to release the sutan army they only there to protec there land.
You are correct
Your much far knowledgeable to the people who interview,no offense the people you interview really knows nothing at all,why did you interview this kind of people
The Malaysian government has been secretly (they do not want this to be known to people of Malaysia for obvious reasons) recognizing the contract as evident by their payments from 1963 until 2013. They took the opportunity to cease payment citing the Tanduo incident without realizing the consequences. Now they are waking up from their nightmare.
Correct
Erratum: 1878, by the British East India Company.
Exactly. Now they wish they were not that arrogant back then to ignore the Sulu Sultanate and neglect their duties during the arbitrary proceeding by the international court. 🖒
Sultan heirs have authenticated evidence and documents plus the reciept issue by malaysian embassy in ph
@@richardunica3542 Case Closed
Not really language stuff but this is just too good not to share.
Due to the Lahad Datu stand off in 2013 (i.e. when the forces of the Sultanate went to Sabah to reclaim it) Malaysia cease the payments for the lease of Sabah to the Heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu. Take note, their government itself was paying rent.
In March, the French arbitration court favored the Heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu and ordered Malaysia to pay them a whopping billion USD in relation to the lease of Sabah.
Malaysia ignored this.
Just recently, Luxembourg ordered the seizure of two susidiaries of the Malaysian state owned Petronas worth $ 2 Billion as part of the execution of the arbitral award.
Malaysia's parliament is in chaos because not only their global assets are at risk but also because they are about to lose Sabah. Jeff the french court ordered the malaysian government to pay 14 billion USD to the sultanate of sulu. malaysian court doesn't recognize it, so their assets such petronas got seized. if they will still not pay it, all of their assets will be seized to as part of execution. so yes, malaysian economy will collapse and the country will be bankrupted if they will still not follow the order
As a Malaysian.. i still need to get a work permit to work in Sabah... it tells a lot who sabah belongs to.. not feeling malaysian working there.
Acceptance is the key. It hurts but as a Filipino Citizen all i can say is for how MANY years your country benefited Sabah?
We are happy that finally we claimed it. Philippines are very proud...
That's right. There was even come to a point that when frmr pres.FEM tried to talk to the former prime minister of Malaysia then but was rejected and insisted that Sabah is theirs. That brought to a point frmr pres.FEM assembled an elite tausug warrior soldiers and trained in Corregidor Is. under col. martelino, to take Sabah by force. But a traitor( u know who it is) mentioned to the Malaysian prime minister about the mission that's why it was aborted. The traitor was given a Malaysian citizenship for giving the said information. But that's the history then. Now the real issue is that Sabah is owned by the sultanate of sulu. It was given to the sultan by the sultan of Brunei as a gift for helping them against the pirates that tried to invade Brunei long time ago with documents now with heirs of the sultan. So Malaysia has no claim at all and for sure they will lose this case!
Claim what ? Come claim pag pag we give u for free 😂🤌
@@fvckziones1286 just wait ...we will arrive on that ....just relax now ...we will deal you later ....🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@fvckziones1286 you are the first person who will eat pagpag .. prepare yourself 😂
@@fvckziones1286
Your so proud doing HARAM your not afraid of Allah...Your family got feed by doing HARAM is Allah proud of it?
Thanks to the Malaysian government For not paying your rentals. In 2013.. You have opened a history that has been closed for a long time. And because of that the world recognizes who are the real owners and who are the claimants
Correct. Thats the consequence of their action, which eventually, favored the Sulu Sultanate and the Philippines in a tremendous way.
One of their MP said, "habit of underestimating neighbors" is the correct term for that. Now Malaysian govt is paying the price.
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Mr. English adopted a son, Abdul. Mr. English lease a land from Sultan. When Abdul debut, he was gifted by Mr. English the land he leased from Sultan. Mr. English told Abdul to pay the rent every year. Abdul love the land and started using all the resources there. But Sultan wants to stop the lease and get the land back. Abdul refused. Sultan sent his men to get the land but Abdul killed them. Now Abdul stopped the rent thinking the land is his because it was given by his dad. Now Sultan ask help from a police. The police was convinced that the land belongs to Sultan. And so the police said to Abdul, I am seizing your property as partial payment for your debts and compensation for stealing the resources of the land your father borrowed. Not only that, you destroyed the environment and you violated human rights in that land. As a penalty and compensation you are to pay Sultan $14.9b. To incur additional 10% if not paid within a year and the succeeding years and will stop until fully paid. Shocked Abdul panicked and blaming his father for giving him a problem. Nyay.
The Malaysian government paying this for so long a time shows that the real owners of Sabah are the Sultans of Sulu. The problem arises that the Malaysian government don't wish to cede it are basically economical in nature. Ceding Sabah will reduce the income of Malaysia by 35% to 40% because of the Petronas facilities located there. People who comment here were not born yet during such time and do not hold any documents of claims. They saying that Malaysia owns Sabah should provide proof of claims. This is very clear in all phases in claims. Unfortunately, with all the consistent payments of Malaysia to the Sultans there are clear records of claims. So let us not muddle facts. For the record since 1970's the Philippines are in dispute of these islands and Philippines have had so many attempts to reclaim this Sabah through force. Now the Philippines used the legal way and Malaysia lost because they had NO documents to prove their claims. Most Malaysians may not even know that there are so many people who live in Sabah comes from the different part of the Philippines since before. And they go there freely without passports or otherwise and only use the permission from the Sultan of Sulu. Let the facts speaks for itself rather than say matters that many do not seem to understand.
@@wiraakohero6084 the best laymans story :) Mr. English was the main villain haha
I hope this will not result in an arms conflict. Welcome to Philippines, Sabah.
The king of Brunei awarded Sabah to the Sultanate of Sulu since 1704 while Malaysia became a nation back in 1966 only.
Yeah this is the history to whom it should be belonged.
para silang ginisa sa sarili nilang mantika 😄 🤣
they are really talking nonsense talaga.
Malaysia was born in 1963.
while ang sultan ng sulo napasakamay na nya ang sabah noong 17century. nang nereward ng Bruni sa kanila.
Please read brunei history and compare with sulu history..
Congratulations Malaysia! You opened the pandora box when you stopped paying rents to our Tausug brothers and sisters (i.e. Sultanate of Sulu). To make things worse for you, we just elected a compassionate and hands-on President that would represent the Kiram family to their claim. Why? Because the Kiram family are FILIPINOS and the duty of the President of the Republic of the Philippines is to make sure that every Filipino is protected from injustice. What you did to the Kiram family is injustice. You bunch of liars. You even sent your terrorists in our southern provinces. You even funded ISIS-inspired terrorists cell to destabilize our southern territories. You will reap what you sow. By the way, your allies the Cojuangco-Aquino family are not powerful anymore. They are now even shunned by the majority of the Filipinos for selling our island nation to the communists, oligarchs and to you Malaysians! They are now suffering the karma of all their ill deeds. All Filipinos including the members of the Sultanate of Sulu know all your crimes!
I firmly believe....You speak the truth, Soft Lofi, about what's going on this crucial issue. In addition, Malaysia have not paid the Sultanate of Sulu clans of their rent since 2013. Meaning, if you are renting an apartment and have not paid the Landlord or the owner for 10 long years, it's time for you to vacate the property since then, or the owner will ask you to leave his or her property ASAP. All I can say is--The Sultanate of Sulu, under the Philippine Government, owns the property and the rightful owner of the Property, which in turn will be entitled that SABAH now should be given back to the Philippines. Welcome back, SABAH. You will be in good hands with with your rightful owner, the Philippines, under our new President Ferdinand "Bong-Bong" Marcos, Jr. and Vice President Inday Sara Duterte.
Perfect yuo said it right...
Only God can tell on when will Philippines restore it's borders.
I'm a Filipino and very happy to know that Sabah is legally owned by Sulu, and part of Philippines archipelago.
But do not start making enemies with Malaysian people because they are still our ASEAN Family. Let Sulu, Ph gov and ML gov to have a peaceful solution on this. Because war is the least thing we want right now.
@@smolyponks YOU ARE A TRAITOR THEN. YOU BELONG TO THE COMMUNIST KAKAMPINKS. YOU LACK PATRIOTISM. WE WILL SEND YOU TO THE GULAGS.
How can you claim that Amount which not belong to your property..its your Brother's inlaw its against the Law of inheritance..Not belong to Sultan of Sulu .its An Estate of North - Borneo Sultan ( Sabah where His Palace remains herein Sabah which still Dormant ,Uninhabited..
Finally our Royal Family in the Philippines deserves their land back after 144 years.
sorry my ancestors were tax collectors for brunei sultanate not ur defunct no country royal family.
Philippines a republic recognize a monarch? Make it make sense.
Since when the sultan ruling the Philippines? 😂 The royal dont even have any power in your country 💁🏼♂️
Go out in Sabah malaysians
Philippines is still the colony of Spain and america.
6:14 What do you think is the better move of Malaysia is to pay the 14 billion to the heirs of the royal family of the Sultanate of Sulu and surrender Sabah (North Borneo) and to be part of the sovereignity the Republic of the Philippines.
Malaysia benefited so much over Sabah for the 5,000 Ringgit annually from 1961 to 2013. I think it's time for them to return what is not theirs in the first place
All due respect to your atty.guest, you can never invalidate the rights of the sultanate of sulu in entering a lease agreement with the british company where the lease amount of 5k mexican dollars originated. Second, the recent ruling of the arbitral court solidified the authenticity of this lease agreement as a result of the heirs propietary claim. Well Malaysia should watch out once the Philippine govt will pusrue its sovereign claim over Sabah since in the 1960s the siltanate has ceeded its rights to the republic of the Philippines.
What is strange is that while the oil industry of Sabah contributes 20% to the Malaysian GDP, only 5,300 ringgit is allocated as rental to the actual owners of Sabah -- the Sultanate of Sulu. The $14 billion partial compensation is obviously not enough.
Exactly!
5000 ringgit.
Only 5,300 ringgit but it was originally a 5,000 Mexican gold before. Malaysia is not just voiding the contract but even abusing several times for almost 6 decades without giving fair rentals to the Sultanate. Sad to say, PNoy administration didn't help the 200 Tausog warriors who tried to live and occupy Sabah in 2013. I guess, PNOy received compensation from those conflict.
@@denverchin44 yeah traitor always a traitor yan ang nananalaytay sa dugo ng mga aquino! Dont trust aquino family and their party's
It is what it is.
The International Tribunal court already spoken and give the rights to the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu !!! This is victorious for the heirs of The Sultanate of Sulu !!! From the Philippines 🇵🇭 !!!
The Heirs of SULU just Wanted to involve the Philipines government regarding the dispute to COLLECT MORE MONEY FOR THEMSELVES. The heirs of sultan dont have the military power to push their rights. 5000 ringgit or 70,000 pesos they get from the rent is nothing compared to the billions of money generated by the malaysian government by getting its resources like oil. Sultan heirs want more money, so they tried to invade sabah.
If the 14.9 billion dollars award to sultan Heirs by the arbitral ruling doesnt benefit the Filipino people and only exclusive to the heir of the sultan. . then its not worth the bloodshed. Let the sultan fight their own fight and not involve the entire Philippines government...!!
@@DuterteBars Princess Jacel Kiram address this already in an interview stating according to her that … since Sulu is part of the Philippines it’s within the Philippines so … this win is for the entire country ! now … I think that all of us is just waiting what Malacañgang Palace have to say because … at this point … (I think) that they still not given any sides about this important matters.
@@DuterteBars People of Sabah, you are now directed to get your Philippine passports. Malaysians, kindly bring your passports upon entering Sabah, Philippines. 💖 Thank you. 🖒
It's More Fun in the Philippines with Sabah! ⛱😆🖒
Malaysian people, relax. Blame your Government. They lied to you. I pity you. Even them, they now know LAWFULLY they have to return the land they were previously renting. Your ENTIRE ANNUAL NATIONAL BUDGET is in jeopardy if they don't. You know what "FREEZING" of "MALAYSIAN GOVERNMENT ASSETS" around the world will do to Malaysia.
@@dds4911 no, the territory belongs to the Philippines but the award according to arbitral ruling, the $14.9 billion with 10℅ interest per annum belongs to the "heir of the sultan" That is very specific. It is not our battle. Just pawns. The poor pays with blood. Also remember that the invasion of the Sultan troops is carefully planned for the very specific reason "to force malaysia". To " breach the contract" by not paying the rent since 2013.
Therefore, for obvious reasons. They are after the money. the 5000 Ringgit turned into $14.9 billion very very quick. This is not our battle.
@@DuterteBars That's wrong, the PH gov't should take all the $14.9 B because the legal rights were given to the PH gov't during the time of Pres. Macapagal in the '60s. But then again, the PH gov't should give parts of it to the 8 descendants of the Sultan of Sulu as mandated by the PH constitution.
The doctor Oh Ei Sun is correct that the calim is "ilogical" because on the first place there is no need for any claim since SABAH always belonged to the Sultanate of Sulu. It was never given, sold, or granted to Malaysia. So technically, it doesn't belong to Malaysia.
Malaysia is paying for the lease of Sabah until 2013, then now question the credibility of the signatory? Come on Malaysia, the world is not that ignorant. Just pay the $15B and plead for a renewal of lease from the Sultanate of Sulu.
from the start Malaysia until 2013, you acknowledge the legitimacy of the contract but on 2013 you think you can get away from the claim of the Sulu Sultanate by not paying your lease, good job. Thank you Malaysia.
Welcome to SABAH, PHILIPPINES . . .
by the way . . . CONGRATULATIONS TO THE FAMILY OF THE SULTANATE OF SULU AND ALL THE TAUSUGS . . . what a great victory . . . !!!
Correct bring back sabah to the pilipinos
what is the family name of SULTANATE of sulu?
Not Sabah but North Borneo, Philippines...
@@pinoypowerrules North Borneo is your ancestor land from the past.now its called a Borneo Sabah
Justice for our brothers from Royal Army of Sulu who died reclaiming Sabah last 2013.
now the world knows.. our brothers who died claiming sabah did not die in vain...they are heroes in the eyes of filipinos.. sabah issue has awaken the nationalism of filipinos... so does the WPS.
Amazing how truth is coming out now
Sulu Army killed our Police and soldiers
@@dellcruz2818 Yeah they did not die in vain because the Justice is now serve and I hope Sabah will be back to the Philippines and help the Sultanate of Sulu descendants to rehabilitate Sabah and our Countrymen their who abused, maltreated, ignored by Malaysian Authorities and its time they will be on ruins
Inshalla
Please be reminded that the lease not sale was 5300 Mexican gold pcs not ringgit. The sultanate has all legal rights and proof of ownership and likewise proof of yearly lease w/c stopped in 2013, indeed a blessing in disguise. Malaysia has to abide by the arbitration rule.
Back in 1878, Sultan Jamal Al Alam (the then Sultan of Sulu Philippines) entered a deal to lease his territory out to Baron de Overbeck (the Maharaja of Sabah at the time) and Alfred Dent of the British North Borneo Company.As part of the deal, both Overbeck and Dent would have individual control over large parts of what is now the state of Sabah. Also part of the agreement was the annual payment of 5,000 Mexican dollars to the heirs of the sultan of Sulu Philippines- to be made by Overbeck and Dent, as well as their respective heirs.The last officially-recognized Sultan of Sulu, Jamalul Kiram II, died in 1936 without any heirs. This meant that there was no one to receive the annual payments that still legally needed to be doled out. Just three years later in 1939, North Borneo High Court chief justice Charles F. Macaskie named nine heirs appointed by the court itself, and so, payments resumed.When Sabah gained independence and Malaysia formed in 1963, Malaysia officially took over the payment agreement, paying the heirs the equivalent of RM5,300 per year.The country continued these payments every year until the Lahad Datu conflict in 2013.
“Malaysia needs to find out if the Sultanate of Sulu were eligible to sign the treaty 150 years ago.” Such a strong resolution to this issue. Even the Malaysian government rejects the petition because they know they have low chance of winning. Pinaupa na nga, gusto pa maging kanila.
Si Princess Jacel Kiram ang dapat maka usap nila
Akala nila rent to own
@@danielalexandercenteno6616 hahahahaha rent to own🤣
Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide. Jovito Salonga
@@dannybarcenas9701 what do you mean by the word "Our"? Our as Filipino or are you part of Sulu? There is a possibility that it will lead to that eventually.
Well if you really a land graber you will do everything. This is very simple Sabah is already in the possesion of the sultanate of Solu since 16th century and just leased on late 18th century by british owned company, now Malaysia was just established on 1968. This means that the agreement already exists before Malaysia was established. Therefore it belongs to the Philipines. Whose to blame are the british they turn over the land not to the owner..
In the words of the British side... British Acting Consul-General in Labuan, Mr. Treacher: "The Sultan of Brunei's territory extends, at the utmost, only to the West side of Malludu Bay, though formerly the Brunei kingdom extended as far as Cape Kaniungan, on the east coast, in latitude 1degree north.
The remaining territory mentioned in the grants is actually under Sulu rule, and occupied by Sulu Chiefs, and it was only because the districts were mentioned in the original American grants that they are again included, and Mr. Overbeck will now have to make a separate agreement with the Sultan of Sulu for them".
Note here:
Lord Salisbury Foreign secretary on North Borneo
In September 1878,
Count de Bylandt, the Dutch Minister in London, handed a note to the Permanent Under Secretary of the Foreign Office, Sir Julian Pauncefote, setting forth the legal rights of The Netherlands~~. Pressed fürther by Count de Bylandt with respect to the request for a Royal Charter by Dent and Overbeck and as to Britain's intentions concerning north-east Borneo, the
British Foreign Secretary,
Lord Salisbury, replied that his Government respected the rights of the Sultans of Sulu and Brunei and did not intend to do anything in derogation of those rights.
Lord Salisbury added:
"Probably, even if our response to Messrs. Dent and Overbeck was favourable, Her Majesty's Government would not go fürther than was justified by the precedents of Sir James Brooke at Sarawak, or of those
chartered commercial companies which in former times it had been the policy of this country to establish in various parts of the world without any aim of territorial acquisition.
CLEAR STATEMENT IS MADE IN UNAMBIGUOUS TERMS:
"The object of Her Majesty's Government was not to set up any dominion, or to enter upon controversy with respect to territorial
claims, but simply, if we saw an opportunity, to promote the development of the resources of the country under discussion"~
THERE WAS NO INTENT TO TAKE CONTROL OR RULE OVER LANDS ONLY TO DEVELOP LAND!
FUTHERE MORE:
In any event, the Netherlands Governrnent was not unduly concerned by the BNBC company's activities in North Borneo since, as the Dutch Colonial Minister noted in reply to an enquiry raised by the Parliament in 1880, this was "simply a question of the establishment of a private Company"(By the British). Moreover, the Minister felt that the Dutch interests had not been affected by the grants given by Brunei and Sulu
(grants to develop the land not to buy or control or rule over them!)
THE BNBC OWN CHARTER STATES AS FOLLOWING:
The BNBC's Charter stipulated a policy of respect of the local customs and internal
affairs. Historical studies of the BNBC's administration confirm that the Residents were carefùl not to interfere in the life of the indigenous populations. Notably, judicial administration over the natives was exercised by their own chiefs and headmen and carried out by the village courts in accordance with local customs. Similarly, the collection of taxes was carried out by local chiefs and other native collectors. In any event, even if the BNBC had wanted to carry out a different strategy, it lacked both the staff and the financial resources
to administer properly such a vast and diverse expanse of land5'.
- the charter states the judicial administration of civilians was in the hands of the local rulers not the BNBC, only the real rulers have right to decide judicial matters and did not delegate them to the BNBC (the BNBC was there to develop land not to rule and make judgments)
malaysia have no legal ground to stand on
even her queen majesty clears states through her foreign secretary of north borneo at the time
"The object of Her Majesty's Government was not to set up any dominion, or to enter upon controversy with respect to territorialclaims, but simply, if we saw an opportunity, to promote the development of the resources of the country under discussion"
therefore the grants given by the sulu sultanate are leases and even if they were not (which they were not) the queen did not want any of her representative or private and commercial charters GAINING ONWERSHIP DOMINION OR RULE OVER ANY TERRITORIAL CLAIMS IN THE AREA!!! FOR BNBC TO GO AGAINST THEIR QUEEN WOULD MEAN THEIR CHARTERS AND LICENSES REVOKED.... thus is was always a lease...
I think Brunei should also intervine and help the Philippines enforce the claims, because they are the orginal owner of the land, after gifting the land to the Sultan of Sulu as sign of friendship, helping them quelling the rebellion in 1663.
Thank you very much, Roger Chin
The lawyers of the Sulu Sultanate are brilliant! This is an airtight case. Checkmate! 👊
If Malaysia wants to retain GOOD KARMA, they should pay the HEIRS...because it is the right thing TO DO.
This clown is not even direct to the point.
The arbitrary decision was that Sabah was never sold but rather it was leased to a foreign businessmen.
The obvious one is that Malaysia has been leasing Sabah from Sultanate of Sulu.
This clown has stated the leasing payments but never said the reason why Malaysia was paying a lease agreement to the Sultanate of Sulu.
Third, why would Malaysia forcefully stops lease payments to Sultanate of Sulu.
Absolutely Right.. They've been in denial for so many decades while profiting from the Land they always knew isn't their own
@@dannybarcenas9701 Eviction is coming to a useless tenant Malaysia.
In other words Sabah belongs to the Sultanate of Sulu and Sulu is part of the Philippine Island. That's simple it is and that's very true.
and Sabah is from Sulu, believe it or not they are also Filipino citizen.
very good and informative way of interviewing, you asked the right questions, melissa.
Malaysia abandoned his case and its in default. Whatever defects of jurisdiction should have been raised by Malaysia at the earliest opportunity and by its silence, was in default. It cannot even stay the arbitration order because it has abandoned its case. The argument that infringed Malaysian sovereignty is misplaced because that is originally a private contract of lease between parties that can be legally enforced without infringing countries sovereignty. The decision is correct.
Yes its true
This is plain and simple problem between a tenant and landowner. Tenant stops paying rent, landowner push to claim what it is owed to them. That's why the arbitral court sided with them coz they have all the evidence(contracts, receipt etc). Don't need to expound more coz it's self explanatory for all people with a sound mind Filipinos and Malaysians alike.
Absolutely.. Just as simple as that
True wow you good at this observatory
Correct 10000%%
🤣 even though her concern is rightful, but she didn't notice why this Astro private media interested in this federal matter even though they are not Sabah registered company.
Even if the reporters from Sabah , why should involve through their KL , Selangor registered companies?
2. I think all of us, were taught that north east bornean company leased eastern Sabah from Sulu Sultanate.
Even education ministry verified this through spm examination!!!
Malaysian bar council, ago, justice department can't deny this legally & technically!!!
3. All those truth hiding lawyers will never attend this sovereignity right cases. This is revealed by the lawyer's last suggestion by questioning Sulu Sultanate's right , which is same tactic done by China in south east china sea!!!
If it's not belong to Sulu, then why a British empire owned company, then Malay Sultanates ruled federation paid their claims until 2013?
4. & Why all of them are not aborigin of Sabah ?
Why they are look similar to China?
Looks like defending Sabah from Sulu, but why non aborigin interested in Sabah matters especially in Petronas as bumiputra oriented company?
5. Sabah aborigines, Time to meet & ask Sulu Sultanate directly !!!
Because till today you are not treated equally as those non aborigines in KL!!!
But yet you all brainwashed to rely to a federation that still act as centralized government against ma63!!!
6. It's the state & peninsular federal government, are cheating & discriminating sabahan aborigines!!!
Look at those related with china, are they poor & struggling as aborigines?
Even those rich aborigines are partners with those linked with china!!!
Even mandarin preference started to appear in Sabah locations Jobstreet posts!!!
7. So Sabahans , you want to follow history or money?
Very simple, except your mp, look at all those in this interview?
Are they representing sabahan's poverty?
This interview will describe, who will take over in the middle of Sulu & malaysian federation agreement!!!
So where are the sabahan aborigines in such agreement?
Still as north Borneo British company workers
or which now known as federal glc supporters which only pay during elections?
Good suggestion to really look into historical data that will determine the rights of the Sultanate to "sign a treaty" to receive payments. Well, once and for all the Malaysian govt. will have to show how it acquired Sabah from the British Co., and how its people occupying the Island wanted it for themselves pthan returning the island to the Sultanate of Sulu in the Philippines. Malaysia had been avoiding it while the Philippines did not pursue its sovereignty due to existing rental to the Sultanate, but if this contract ceases legally then the Philippines would have to claim sovereignty over Sabah Island.
'Lease in perpetuity until the sun or moon do not rise until end of time" is the contract to be able to use Sabah. Perpetual Lease ≠ Grant or Cede. Malaysia can only claim permanent lease as long as they pay however, Pajakkan Forever is no longer Forever since Malaysia breached the Perpetual Lease in 2013. Any Lease of Contract broken means that the property should be duly returned in favor of the owner, The Sultan of Brunei. Malaysia keeps on twisting this definition to justify a squatting renter since 2013 claim the property for herself
Going back to the French Case, they have awarded the $14.9 Billion award, the French court agreed with the Merit of the Word "Pajakkan" as a Lease and since you have broken the condition of Lease since 1939 North Borneo Macaskie decision, The French Court decided that any Organic gains of the Property (This is exclusive of the Sabah Land Claim itself) amounts to $14.9 Billion from 1939 to this day incurring 10% penalty for not paying in good faith
and good riddance that they defaulted, now there is no contract to talk about.
*they stopped payment.... they defaulted and forfeited the old agreement, so the owner has the right to raise the the rent* ....
*_SINCE 2013 MALAYSIA OWE THE OWNERS $14B FOR THE RENT AT PRESSENT REAL ESTATE VALUES OF THE WHOLE PROPERTY PLUS FINES AND TAXES AND THE CORRECTED ILLEGAL AND LIABLE CONVERSION OF MALAYSIA OF 5300 MEXICAN GOLD TO 5300 ringit... can be considered VERY CHEAP!!!! TAKE IT OR LEAVE_* !!!
FYI "Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide." Jovito Salonga
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Mr. English adopted a son, Abdul. Mr. English lease a land from Sultan. When Abdul debut, he was gifted by Mr. English the land he leased from Sultan. Mr. English told Abdul to pay the rent every year. Abdul love the land and started using all the resources there. But Sultan wants to stop the lease and get the land back. Abdul refused. Sultan sent his men to get the land but Abdul killed them. Now Abdul stopped the rent thinking the land is his because it was given by his dad. Now Sultan ask help from a police. The police was convinced that the land belongs to Sultan. And so the police said to Abdul, I am seizing your property as partial payment for your debts and compensation for stealing the resources of the land your father borrowed. Not only that, you destroyed the environment and you violated human rights in that land. As a penalty and compensation you are to pay Sultan $14.9b. To incur additional 10% if not paid within a year and the succeeding years and will stop until fully paid. Shocked Abdul panicked and blaming his father for giving him a problem. Nyay.
@@wiraakohero6084I guess Abdul is Malaysia? Lol
To the lady MP and a bias reporter, it is not just a story of the Sultanate of Sulu of their claim, it was corroborated with evidence.
I felt that too while watching this, the reporter is bais.
And Malaysia is estopped because of their payments
this senior fellow wants to let the issue die down because he knows malaysia does not have any stand on this.
Latest news: Luxembourg court has sets aside Sulu claims. The hearing was done on 5th December 2022, but the judgement was delivered on 24 January 2023. Before this, in 2021 the Spanish court rejected it too. Soon will be the French court and later The Netherlands.
Even the guest speakers of this show were hesitant of their thoughts, no one of the guests are very sure of their saying. Guilt is the KEY. The warriors of Sultan of SULU way back in 1658 had given their lives and had killed during the rebellion fight of Sultan of Brunie versus the REBELS.. those Tausug fought and being killed to restore the Kingdom of Brunie and that must be bloody during that time. YOu Malaysia should give what is due for heirs of Sultan of SULU, dont you know you have prospered and improved your lives using the resources that are not yours? Return back the property to the rightful owners, so much their lives (SULU's Sultan Descendants) since year 1658 till now were still struggling for hardship, and it is about time you have to give what is for them. What have you done is totally HARAM, as if the food you have earned from that property is HARAM, worst than eating pork.. I am Moslem also, so I know what it feels thing is robbed from the rightful owner, give back to Tausug what is due for them.
Any proof that Sabah was given to Sulu? The whole of Sabah? A part of Sabah? ???
According to the Bruneian records...The Sulus never came to aid the Sultan in the said war. So the possession of Sulu to Sabah was actually void. You need to check the writings of Brunei's history. So Sulu's claim on Sabah is actually HARAM.
@@maharirajak5513 explain why malaysian govt giving a rent fee to sultan of sulu?
@@kaintv8035
I am not Malaysian and I dont know much about Malaysian history. As a Bruneian I did study Brunei history back in the secondary school about 40 yrs ago. The one I studied somehow is different from yours.
Back to my earlier question is whether Brunei promised to give the whole of Sabah or the eastern part only?
In WW2, Japan conquered Sabah but retaken by allied forces then handed over to British govt. Where were 'sulu warriors'?
@@maharirajak5513 then explain why there's a contract that the British has to pay rent to the Sultanate of Sulu. And explain why the Arbitration sided to the Sultanate of Sulu that the Malaysian Government owed Sultanate of Sulu and has to pay $15 billion. Obviously your knowlegde of the matter is very limited!
This Sabahan representative were questiong herself why the Sultanate of Sulu became so powerful and the court decission is in favor to them as if she forgot that they are the ruler of that land a "Sultan" the owner and the ruler of the land. This Sabahan were just squatting to that land to the point that they already forgot whose the owner of that land. To the point that they established their right without the permission of the rightful owner of the land. They embeded the lies in their mind that Sabah belongs to them. So who's the Land grabber (Malaysia) here? For those Sabahan that don't want to be a subject of the Philippine rule just incase Sabah will be ceded back to the Philippines, a simple advise. Pack your bags and leave of Sabah.
on point! just get out of SABAH very simple.
Mga ingrata at ingrato. Who's the poor now? Not being boastful, but these Sabah people keep telling that they dont want to be Filipino because Filipinos are poor. Who's the poor now? I think to those Sabahan accept your original identity or You can also apply dual citizenship. Why not. Philippine President also have its plan to Sabah since PFEM.
Mga ingrata at ingrato. Whose the poor now? Not being boastful, but these Sabah people keep telling that they dont want to be Filipino because Filipinos are poor. Whose the poor now? I think to those Sabahan accept your original identity or You can also apply dual citizenship. Why not. Philippine President also have its plan to Sabah since PFEM.
Sabah philippines in correction!!!🤣😅
Totally agree!
What was the basis for changing the currency to ringgit?
Nothing more amazing than to see people blinded by self-interest. If its not yours, give it back
Because of former PM Najib's mistake of not paying the 1878 lease aggrement since 2013 to the heirs of the Sultan of Sulu, the debt of Malaysia (interest) to the heirs of Sultan of Sulu is now reaching billions and soon if Malaysia still refuse to pay more of its international assets will be seized. And the worst to come, sooner its debt will be equal to or greater than its annual national budget...
And also soon Sabah will return to sultanate of sulu.
Operation Merdeka 🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭
How dare done to pH...
@@adolphdelatorre3102 Glory to the Philippines 🇵🇭 PFEM’s plan realized in his son’s tenure
Biblical Jubilee is here... dont worry people of Sabah you are lucky to be a filipino.
A tenant attacking the landlord using tha lease agreement. The more the delay the higher the penalty a 10 percent of 15 billion is a sound money.
17:35 Malaysian Lawyer says malaysia stop paying the rent. It means that Sabah Ph is lease, not ceded.
I thank you interview the knowledgeable person.
On 29 Sep 2022, lawyers for the Sultanate heirs are seeking permission from courts in the Netherlands. But as of the 1st of January 2015, the New Dutch Arbitration Act entered into force, replacing the Dutch Arbitration Act of 1986. The New 2015 Act is still contained in book 4 (arts 1020-1077) of the Dutch Code of Civil Procedure (DCCP). For an arbitration agreement to be valid under Dutch law, the dispute that must be settled must arise out of a contractual legal relationship (article 1020 DCCP). The arbitration agreement must be in writing. Even under Section 4 of the RA 876, PH Arbitration Law require an arbitration agreement or clause. Do Sulu have that arbitration agreement or clause? If not, the court cannot proceed. Court hopping again.
Malaysians are like:
I live in an apartment owned by Philippines but stop paying monthly rental and made it my own and I don't want to give it back.
Filipino owner: ...... 😬
Exactly my thought!
Malaysia are ILLEGALLY SQUATTING on Philippine territory period. They are ILLEGAL SQUATTERS
Malaysian self proclaim territories
Exactly! Simple analogy 😅
Very simple & precise explanations!
This is a commercial transaction and not a state function, a lease contract between the sultanate of sulu and the British company. The Sultanate of sulu did not give up its rights, it has and it still belongs to the heirs of the sultanate of sulu and they have been trying to reclaim sabah since the 1960s when sabah was included in the territorial boundaries of Malaysia in 1963 when Malaysia gained its independence. There was an existing contract, it was honored by both parties since the beginning and it was continued on until it was breached in 2013. The evidences are very solid and clear. The annual 5300 ringgit rent from the original 5000 Mexican gold was an unjustifiable amount for renting how many hundreds if not thousands of square kilometers of land that was why the back pay when computed ballooned to USD14.9B because the value of sabah appreciated over time, this was also taken into consideration.
This Singaporean guy in the interview seems do not understand the word "Appreciate". These people look down Filipinos like we are idiots. Typical Singaporean.
"Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide." Senator Jovito Salonga
Annual rent was 5,000 mexican gold per original contract. It was never Malaysian Ringgit. The arbitral ruling also considered the income forgone starting from the date of default whuch is 2013.
It was lease 5,000 mexican gold but chnge by malaysian govt into rinngit. See how cunning they are.
Your right
What a beautiful story. I feel crying between the feeling of wild and a caring person.
Don't worry ladies, Philippine government will give you passport, your filipino now😆
Just be thankful because you have been benefited from Sabah for how so many decades, I think, its now time for Sulu people...🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭
What proof do you have that Brunei (original owner) give Sabah to Sulu as a gift? Bear in mind that on 29/12/1877 Brunei grant and cede Sabah to British North Borneo Company.
@@hopelope1703 they have the land title 🙄🙄🙄
Operation Merdeka 🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭
@@adolphdelatorre3102 What land tittle? Did Brunei ever give Sabah to Sulu? Show me.
@@hopelope1703 The proof are all shown in Arbitral court. You should have attended the court hearing when the Sulu heirs won the case.
@@hopelope1703 I dont have the land title but ask copy to the Sultanate of Sulu. Malaysia can only choose between giving the assets to the sultanate of sulu or bring back the sabah to them. The answer should not be none.
Go Sultan Kiram.
#SabahPhilippines ❤️🇵🇭
Did you take note of what Atty. Chin said? "I think that they certainly should have challenged it vigorously right from the start..." Malaysian government did the Chinese move of not attending the court trial in ICJ in Hague regarding the South China Sea! Lesson learned: Don't copy China or you lose!!!
The question is why did Malaysia stop paying?
Sabah is part of the Philippine constitution, the Sultanate of Sulu owns Sabah, it was leased only to Malaysia not sold. Now, the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu want to claim their legal & historical rights. Malaysia made a grave mistake in the past in undermining the Sabah claim issue by the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu.
Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide. Jovito Salonga
Why our muslim brothers in Mindanao were so silent about this matter? Just asking!
Terrorist sulu is Fake sultan 😂 they want robbed money from rich land sabah..
just so you know, Philipine does not recognise sulu sultanate sovereignty.
philippines were just using Sulu as puppet to make them to pursue the claim. This is an old politician tactics by the PH government. too desperate for sabah because they realise its their mistake in the first place by not supporting Sulu sultanate movements
Malaysian Government occupied Sabah ILLEGALLY, It always belong to Sultanate of Sulu and belongs to the Philippines as a whole. You never had ancestral argument on that land.
What proof do you have that Brunei (original owner of Sabah) give Sabah to Sulu as a gift? Bear in mind that on 29/12/1877 Brunei grant and cede Sabah to British North Borneo Company.
@@hopelope1703 the proof is your government will pay sultanate of sulu 15billion dollar hahah
@@smallbutterfly786 Hahahaha!!! 😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂 👏👏👏👏👏
@@hopelope1703 do have also the proof that Malaysia has the ancestral claim on Sabba? The sultan of Sulu and the sultan of Brunei are brothers and not related to any one on Malaysia..
@@hopelope1703 the proof are these: #1 Pack your important stuff
#2 Buy some brain cells so we can understand each other (Ang hirap mo kasing intindihin )
#3leave sabah
That very simple than you thought.Well
Breached contact is also a criminal act of sovereignty against humanity
This male lawyer in Sabah is not helping. His suggested strategy is for Malaysia to find historical evidence that indeed there was an agreement of lease. There was, and that's why, the British company had been paying rent since about 150 yrs ago. In the 1960's, when Malaysia gained independence from the British, Malaysia continued paying rent until 2013.
My point is, if Malaysia has to win, or overturn the ruling, you got to have a better argument and strategy. Not a very bright lawyer, I reckon.
malaysia cannot change the fact that Sabah belongs to the Sultanate of Sulu, Philippines. now it is high time to return the land to its rightful owner.
The lease contract was for 5,300 Mexican gold per year. Malaysia converted the payment to ringgit. But the international court corrected that mistake by Malaysia and hence the reason for the astronomical bill ($15B) that Malaysia has to settle now.
Malaysia better pay fast since the interest is 10% p.a.
I think the $14.9 Billion is not even enough indemnity to Filipino Muslim brothers who lost their lives in claiming Sabah since it is really their own, not to mention the benefits that Malaysia is reaping from the bounty of the land they are renting which they are actually grabbing.
Lease by Britain transferred to Malaysia; Lessor is Sultanate of Sulu; Issue : Pay up
you pay or leave
@@venencioescabartejr.9718 For many decades they profitted rom the Land that never belonged to them
Simple as that. Sulu Sultanate leased it to Baron Overbeck, then Overbeck transfered lease to Alfred Dent, then Dent transferred lease to British North Borneo, was then turned over to the British Crown (strongly objected by F.B. Harrison - US Gov. General in the Phil) then was included in the formed Independent State of Malaya Federation. It is still a Contract Lease from Sultanate of Sulu transferring hands
15B$ is still cheap considering the area of Sabah being occupied by the Malaysian Gov't being owned by the Sultan of Sulu.
Of course rents increase as time passes by this norms and do you expect you pay same price as before ? You are Lucky then
The British-made translation of the original document is to blame. Whoever created that translation made this conflict. The original document, written in the native language, clearly states that Sabah was only leased. The English translation made by the British changed this to "ceded". Both initially understood the agreement as a mere lease. When the Philippines & Malaysia became independent states, the Philippines applied the original document, while Malaysia applied the English translation of the document. So its literally an "Original document vs a Translated document" scenario.
Also, according to one of the guest in the video, Atty Roger said that the best way for Malaysia to win this case is to invalidate the existing treaty used now by the Philippines. This means he knows that Malaysia will ultimately lose in court, & the only way to deflect that is to make-up some "historical" documents that do not exist. What a strange way to say they lost.
Nice observation👍
Yah right sadly the sulanate of sulu heirs has a documents represent in arbitration which is written in a native language of Malay and the word pajakan is used in there meaning in English translation lease not sold 😆
Sure but there is no sultanate of sulu anymore in the philippines. Even philippino government does not recognise any sultans if i am correct. The lease payment was meant to be paid to the sultanate which still hold the authority in Sulu. And Not to the descendants of this sultanate who wields no power.
@@syedputra5955 philippines recognise sultanate of sulu
@@syedputra5955 hmmmm 100% your have no knowledge of pilipino culture. First of all We have a Sultanate heroes.
PETRONAS will now be named PHILTRONAS, because of this.
It will be Petron Philippines
ahahahahahah
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Original lease agreement price was 5000+ mexican gold bullion then malaysian convert to 5000+ malaysian ringit.
I think it would have been fair if this show initiated to have resourced commenters on the side of the Sultanate of Sulu. Is this what you call fair journalism?
Personal view: Sabah residents don’t have to dig for historical documents, the payments made by the Malaysian government until 2013 is enough evidence of submission of the Malaysia to honor the contract of lease with the Sultanate of Sulu.
(?)🤔 *why some of the nations like Malaysia try to DISREGARD their signed international laws and try to IGNORE international court ruling if these will be against on their interest... even can ignore contract of lease* 😫 *this action is very UNRELIABLE and somehow DISRESPECTFUL. Moreover, it weakens INTEGRITY...*
Absolutely right
Absolutely right
Sabah is a part of Philippines
Malaysian government the LandGrabber, also they are treated bad Filipinos living in Sabah,
Congratulations to the sultanate of sulu Philippines
What proof do you have that Brunei (original owner) give Sabah to Sulu as a gift? Bear in mind that on 29/12/1877 Brunei grant and cede Sabah to British North Borneo Company.
@@hopelope1703 how did you owned sabah if the original owner is brunei
@@hopelope1703 checkmate
What about your militants attacked Lahad Datu Sabah? Was it nicely treated after few weeks of clash? Even your gov can treat its own people nicely. Ops!
@@Qamarun.channel look your government having chaos, there fighting 😂😆😆😆😆😆😆 Malaysia get underestimate there neighbord country,they think are superior and intelligent 🤓🤓🤓
Malaya was not a party to lease North Borneo to the British. It was between the Sultanate of Sulu and the British. When the British left SEA the British should return it to the Sultanate of Sulu who owns the land. Malaya and the British made a bad faith to let Malaya to annex North Borneo as one their state without the consent or approval of the Sultanate of Sulu, hence the favorable ruling of the international abrbitration court to the Sultanate of Sulu. Malaysia must pay $14.9B to the Sultanate of Sulu in compensation for the injustice done to them.
The fact that they didnt pay the rent, is a bridge of contract, and the owner have the right to do whatever they want to do in their own property.
That Roger Lin said Malaysia is paying the amount to completely own SABAH. No, you are not correct, you have to check the contract again between The old British East India Company and the Sultanate of Sulu.
Please stop saying “self-proclaimed heirs” or to “those claiming as heirs” of the Sultanate of Sulu because that is showing disrespect to them. They Are The Rightful Heirs. You may google their family tree. Stop hinting otherwise. And this is Poetic Justice 🙏🏻God bless them.
Thats correct even the Arab monarchy and Muslims Royalties recognizes the Sultanate of Sulu how dare they questioned the legallity and Authority of the Sultanate of Sulu
Its just their old dirty tactics ..to discredit the Sultanate of their Name on it as a legal owner .
You don’t know anything. They were more than one person claiming legitimacy to the heir. Filipinos are missing so much really
@@litolito7570 exactly why Sultanate of Sulu should rule the whole Philippines. Why stop on Sabah when you can also have the House rule over the whole country. What a joke. You guys didn’t even give them autonomy in their own tiny island.
@@fab8490 and why would they do it ..? You dont know the whole system in PH govt ..thats why you talk about this about that ...as if you know our government ...and knowledgeable to our laws...you talking like an ignorant idiot..
Sabah belongs to the philippines🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭 and I'm very excited to spend my summer vacation in sabah..yeeehhheeeehhhh!
Time to give it back to the righful owners. You have benefited for such a long time.
If it was not yours, then do not claim it. Sabah belongs to Philippine sultanate. Malaysia's final resort for not paying their lease is is to claim sabah, wow just wow
The Malaysian government just became so arrogant by dealing with these issues especially when they murdered the 300 fighters in 2013 instead of sitting and talking to the rightful people who can deescalate the issue. Those lives can never go back to life even if the 15 billion money was paid. People of the Philippines will never forget how you spitefully treated our men in our own land just to claim it.
On 29 Sep 2022, lawyers for the Sultanate heirs sought permission from a court in the Netherlands to enforce the arbitration ruling on Malaysia. Before it was in Spain, France, and Luxembourg. They been hopping from one court to another (Spain, France, and Luxembourg) trying their luck. If they have an arbitration agreement or clause, then one court is good enough as stipulated under the New York Convention 1958.
1. Earlier, on 29 June 2021, upon application by the Government of Malaysia, the Spanish High Court of Justice of Madrid decided that the service of notice of the proceedings for appointment of arbitrator for purposes of the Claim was not properly served to Malaysia in accordance with peremptory international rules and Spanish law (the “Nullification Decision”). It is also not consistent with the High Court of Justice of Madrid’s case laws on service of process on sovereign States. Because of the Nullification Decision, Dr Stampa is not an arbitrator in the purported arbitration proceedings and, therefore, all his decisions, including the Final Award (issued on 28/2/2022), are null and void.
2. Paris Court: On 12 July 2022 Malaysia obtained Suspension (Stay) Order from the Paris Court of Appeal to suspend Exequatur Order issued by Paris Court. A Stay Order obtained in the French Court of Appeal pending application to set aside an arbitration award in an arbitration proceeding also to be filed in the French Court has a high probability to be allowed since the arbitration proceedings itself was held ex-parte (one sided) which is deemed deficient and defective. Also, this court has no jurisdiction on a sovereign state. Soon it will just be like Spain that rejected the claim in 2021.
3. French arbitration court: Under the French Arbitration Law, original arbitration agreement or a copy thereof must be provided when settling a dispute through arbitration in France to proceed. This is in accordance with the more precisely Article 1504 of the Code of Civil Procedure or CPC. This is also in compliance with Article 2 of the New York Convention 1958. So, is there any arbitration agreement exist between Sulu and Malaysia? If none, the court cannot proceed.
4. ICC International Court of Arbitration: It is just an institution for the resolution of international commercial disputes based in Paris. It operates under the auspices of the International Chamber of Commerce and consists of more than 100 arbitrators from roughly 90 countries. Contrary to what its name suggests, the ICC does not issue formal judgements. Instead, it just provides judicial supervision of arbitration proceedings.
5. Luxembourg arbitration court: Read the Luxembourg Arbitral Act particularly in Article 1224 to 1251 of the New Code of Civil Procedure (NCPC). Pursuant to Article 1226 NCPC, arbitration clause or arbitration agreements can be made before the arbitrators, by deed before a notary or by written agreement. Article 1227 of the NCPC provides that the arbitration agreement must specify the intention of the parties to submit their dispute to arbitration, the subject of the dispute and the arbitrators’ names to be valid. Do Sulu have that arbitration agreement? If not, then the court cannot proceed.
6. As of the 1st of January 2015, the New Dutch Arbitration Act entered into force, replacing the Dutch Arbitration Act of 1986. The New 2015 Act is still contained in book 4 (arts 1020-1077) of the Dutch Code of Civil Procedure (DCCP). For an arbitration agreement to be valid under Dutch law, the dispute that must be settled must arise out of a contractual legal relationship (article 1020 DCCP). The arbitration agreement must be in writing. Inclusion of the arbitral agreement in general terms and conditions may not suffice.
7. Even under Section 4 of the RA 876, PH Arbitration Law require an arbitration agreement or clause. Do Sulu, have it?
the stay order starts july.. and is good only for 3 months.. have a good day
Since Malaysia has stopped the lease payment since 2013, the lease agreement should be terminated and the heirs of sulu sultan regain back their land.
In short...Sabah is in the republic of the Philippines..historically Philippines Map has included sabah...even elementary graders can understand the situation...GREED is the root of everything..
If the said land is Malaysia's territory why is Malaysia paying rent?
Even lease price increases, if that's 5 thousand over a hundred years ago. Now it's 100 folds.
Dr. Sun, you agree that Sabah was only under lease by paying RM5000 per year. Therefore, Sabah is not part of Malaysia. You even said that it should be around RM 50k arrears only. What about the natural resources of Sabah which Malaysia illegally getting. The oil, gas, lumber etc. And the damages in the eco system. Not to mention the human rights violations committed against the Pilipinos in Sabah.
Praise God, Lord Jesus, he is mighty to judge and avenge his people from injustice. Mightier than any proud god of a false prophet.
Philipino still delusional that they are free from Spain and america colonialism.
That doctor is very idiot. Land value is only 5000 ringgit. First time to know this kind of Idiocyncrasy!lol
Sorry to ask this, I'm just curious, if Sabah is Philippines and under lease by Malaysia, of course they have signed an agreement about rental. But as per their agreement did they state in the contract that Filipinos can't step to Sabah without passport?
@@hhsssytem8522 the contract between the sultanate of sulu and the British company was agreed upon in 1878. In the 1960s many Filipinos moved to Sabah encouraged by then Philippine President Diosdado Macapagal.
@@raceltd7927 So to be cleared you mean kung sino lang nakapag register by that time yun lang din ang i-issuehan ng citizenship?
It's time to terminate the contract and return it to the original owner.
Oh c'mon the State of Malaysia was created in September 16, 1963. The dealing was penned between The Sultanate of Sulu and British Company hundreds of years prior. You do your research.
There is no such thing as Malaysian Ringgit 150 years ago. So why pay in Ringgit?
I really wonder, from a simple renter and turned into a big time land grabber!! Return Sabah to the Sultanate of Sulu, Philippines diplomatically and peacefully which is not yours after all we are all the same Malay race and south east asians..
Any pro Sulu or PH claims on North Borneo, their primal source of reference will be the Sulu and British North Borneo Company (BNBC) agreement dated 22 January 1878. In this agreement, Sulu “lease” North Borneo to BNBC (Tausug version) while the English version is “grant and cede”. This information will easily be cherry picked in any of their discussion or debate.
But what they will not revealed are those that can refute their claim. The followings are few of the information that had been kept secret:
Firstly, the agreement between Sultan Brunei (original owner of North Borneo) and BNBC on 29 December 1877 over North Borneo which is 3 weeks earlier than the agreement between Sultan Sulu and BNBC (22 January 1878). This will deny that North Borneo was a gift to Sulu from Brunei. Do Sulu has any similar agreement with Brunei?
Secondly, on 22nd July 1878, Sultan Sulu relinquished his sovereignty on Sulu Archipelago and its dependencies thereof to Spain (Bases of Peace and Capitulation agreement).
Thirdly, on the same day, 22 July 1878, Sultan Sulu wrote to Governor General of Philippines and Governor of Sulu terminating the 22/1/1878 agreement between Sulu Sultanate and BNBC. Thus, the agreement is null and void.
Fourthly, on 24th July 1878, Governor of Sulu wrote to BNBC concerning the Spanish sovereignty on Sulu and its dependencies including North Borneo and the termination of the 1878 agreement.
Fifthly, Governor General of Philippines wrote a letter on the same matter dated 20th August 1878 to the Spanish Government in Madrid.
Sixthly, finally, the issues on the agreement between Sultan Sulu and BNBC and the status of North Borneo was settled through the Madrid Protocol (7th March 1885). North Borneo belongs to the British under this Protocol.
The above documents are kept either in Public Record Office in London or General Archives in Madrid. It can also be accessible from the Philippines official website with Spanish to English translation.
In addition, during the US colonization of PH, 2 agreements (Bates 1899 and Carpenter 1915) were signed by the Sultanate of Sulu which relinquished its temporal sovereignty of Sulu and its dependencies. Later, the 1930 Anglo-US border agreement acknowledge the boundary delimitation between PH and North Borneo that belongs to the British.
The only way for you to get Sabah back is WAR. Take it by force or simply leave it.
u never owned Sabah, u don’t know history. My ancestor collected taxes for sultanate of brunei not sulu. crazy greedy claims
@@hopelope1703 return the land you illegally occupied not to Philippines but to Sulu
@@merikantiquinapaglinawan5926 Come here and take it by force.
Malaysia got too greedy! If they have kept making payments, the leaders of Sulu would have not gone after them. Payback time.
North Borneo (Sabah) of the Philippines existed even before Malaysia existed in this world. The cause of the Failure to pay rentals is what Ms. Majilis should look at ?
To the Anchor of this program can you take also the side of the hiers of Sultanate of Sulu pls
The fact that Malaysia acknowledge that they are paying rent means an acceptance that Sabah is not their property. A virtual contract is form as offer, acceptance and consideration is provided by Malaysia and Sultan of Sulo.
Where is the agreement between Sulu and Malaysia regarding the rent and Payment? Why so little amount? Why in Malaysian dollar? Why payment between 1963 until 2013? Why not bring to court when payment stop? Do all letters or receipts stated it is a rent and did it mention the payment is referring to the 1878 agreement?
BIG CHECK
@@hopelope1703 it was suppossedly 5300 spanish gold but subsequently was changed to 5300 ringgit. thats what the sultanate is arguing thats why it ballooned to $15B. The payment shouldve been gold not ringgit.
@@hopelope1703 there is an agreement, that agreement was presented during arbitration that's why the heirs of sulu wins the arbitration and awarded.
And I ask you.. Why the arbitration court awarded the claim to the heirs of sulu if you think that there is no legal basis?
They're not paying RENT it was CESSATION MONEY evidenced by RECEIPTS.
The fact that Malaysia has been paying rental fee, this means that Sabah is not yours. Simple logic...
Absolutely right.. The Sulu Sultanate leased Sabah to Austrian Baron Overbeck then transferred to British Prospector Alfred Dent then to British North Borneo and then to British Crown (Vehemently protested by then US Governor General to the Philippines- F.B. Harrison) And then finally with total disregard to the owner Sulu Sultanate the British included Sabah in the newly formed Malaya Federation in1963
malaysia must research more about saba and sultunate of sulu, and why there are least bill yearly to sulu sultinate
Do you think if the sultanate , is not in right the France arbretation court give them a favor the term using is padjak it means rent ..
Now World 🌎 sabah is Philippines 🇵🇭 territory period Victory ✌ to our Brothers and sisters Pilipino Muslims.
just a question?if sabah does belongs to malaysia then why does malaysia needs to pay rent to the sultan of sulu of the philippines?there is logic over this..
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You pay what is the court decision according rule of court is not philippine court. Is happen in france there is no bias
Sabah ppl soon be a Pilipino ppl. 🇵🇭😁
@@donaldj3286 if people of sabahans don't want to be part of sulu 🇵🇭🧕 they're free to live in Malaysia 🇲🇾 land ! People of sulu will live there 😏😏😏🤔🙄🧕🧕🧕🤭🤭🤭🤣🤣😏🤣🤣
@@RANMA-e6u then go out in Sabah. 🤣🤣 It's not yours you are just A Squatter.. go back to Kuala Lumpur easy as that before the court Freeze all your asset .😁
Check mate..
There are also many Filipino people living in Sabah which Malaysia don't recognise them as resident of Sabah while those people were born in Sabah and they only know Sabah but Malaysia consider them as illegal resident of Sabah.
Illegal squarters feeling entitled. Return the land back to the real owners. Mabuhay and pinas!
How can somebody invalidate the claim of the Sultanate of Sulu for SABAH, they acquire the land by sweat, tears, and blood, and somebody will say that Maylasia must find a way to invalidate the Sultanate of Sulu's claims. The people of SABAH must respect their elders knowing that the land was acquired and owned by the Sultanate of Sulu.
Just ask 2 questions and hope you give me an undisputable answer. First what proof do you have that Brunei (original owner of Sabah) give Sabah to Sulu as a gift? Bear in mind that on 29/12/1877 Brunei grant and cede Sabah to British North Borneo Company. Secondly where is the agreement between Sulu and Malaysia regarding the rent and Payment? Why so little amount? Why in Malaysian dollar? Why payment between 1963 until 2013? Why not bring to court when payment stop? Do all letters or receipts stated it is a rent and did it mention the payment is referring to the 1878 agreement?
@@hopelope1703 , probably the best way to answer your questions is to check the latest arbitration award. im pretty sure that all the details are available. :)
@@jerzx777 Do you know what is arbitration award? Do you know New York Convention 1958? If you read it, read Article 1, 2 and 5 and understand it fully. Have the Sulu or his lawyers apply to the convention?
@@hopelope1703 Hahaha this hope lope can't accept the fact that the sulu sultanate is the owner of sabah, and malaysia is just renting. Hahaha poor malaysia they claim the land that is not belong to them. Now malaysia si panicking because they never to pay the rent and it costs billions😂😂🤣
@@hopelope1703 The receipts that the Malaysian Government paid the lease to the Sultanate of Sulu.
indonesians want Filipinos as neighbors instead of Malaysians
indonesians would not mind philipines as border neighbors
It's because philippines and indonesia comes from one linage. And i have a question for you! Does Sarawak are part of indonesia right? Amd not malaysia?
ang malaysians at indonesians galing sa pilipinas
Well i agree with you brother. I have alot of friends from indonesia and they are so nice unlike the other neigbhor. 🤭
Absolutely right. As Filipina i can't say whats the difference between Indonesian and Filipinos from looks.
We are sisters and brothers.
Filipinos are more ethnically racially close to Indonesia because they are the latest group that came to Philippines via Balangay. The first group are the Malays then came the Indonis group . Dialects of Ilocano, Pangasinense , Kapampangan , Bicolano, Visayan etc.. have more in common in Indonesia
Failure to pay.Return Sabah.If not pay up what it is supposed to be in todays amount.And by the way what are you saying illogical claims?And what are you saying so called heirs?They are the heirs.And you have no sovereignty in Sabah.You are just leasing it.
Yes at last the truth... Comes out.
Sabah belongs to the Philippines. God bless the smart people of the Philippines. The heir must be firm, to claim what is due.