What I remember about the NWO was WCW stopped having clean matches. Every match was either a DQ with no supplemental disciple after the fact or some interference would give the win to the NWO. It got really stale really fast.
Agreed. The main problem is the NWO never got their comeuppance. It's Writing 101, when a stable like that takes over in kayfabe and puts everybody down, the only logical resolution is the opposing faction brews their revenge spits everything back at the NWO's face. But Bischoff is too much of a fan girl and Hogan had creative control so they forgot basic storytelling.
@@LaidBack-- I know that sting was less hard when he switched from The Crow Version to the Red and Black. And back in the day I used to watch WCW all the time…. So what do you know…😒
When you're a fan and hear the Wolfpack music hit you should be guaranteed a star but man imagine seeing NWO Wolfpack vs NWO Hollywood on the card and then you get Disco Inferno vs Vincent...lol
Disco Inferno becoming a member of the Wolfpack/Elite was the NWO repeating one of its past mistakes. They thought that someone joining the NWO would get them instantly over because it was the "cool" thing to do. If you were in the NWO, you were cool.(or so they thought, Vergil was never cool in WCW) and so when the NWO Elite came along, they thought it'd get Disco instantly over and cool by putting him in the Elite faction, because after all, "Elite" implies good, right? WCW had been trying to get Disco over for years. And remember, David Flare was in the NWO Elite, a Nepotism Baby with zero Wrestling skill, no Athletic ability, no Charisma and no Acting ability what-so-ever.
I know it doesn't even need to be said AGAIN, but I'm gonna say it anyway.... Hogan/Sting, starcade 97.. should've been the greatest moment ever, I'm still pissed about it..
A Fall Brawl War Games with Goldberg, DDP, Sting, and any 2 memorable midcarders(Jericho, Raven, Booker T, Benoit, etc) vs Hall, Nash, Hogan, Savage, and Bret with with NWO disbanding and Bischoff's career on the line would've been cooler than what we got in 97 or 98.
The payoff was supposed to happen after the fingerpoke of doom, Goldberg was set to destroy the nWo once and for all but Goldberg decided to punch limo windows had a major injury and then the New Blood happened when n he came back from injury
The biggest problem with the nWo was that it put the spotlight mostly on aged WWF talent, even though Hall and Nash had been to WCW before they got over in WWF, and looking back at it they sacrificed the rest of the roster. They had great "home grown" guys, but only really elevated DDP and Goldberg, when they had so much more talent than those 2, and Eddie Guerrero and Chris Jericho had to leave to realize their ceiling.
If a faction has more than 6 people it's to many, 6 gives you all your bases. 1 The charismatic main eventer 2 the technical grappler 3&4 the tag team 5 the high flyer 6 the heavy
I think having people going after each title (world, tag team, cruiserweight, US and TV) and then a couple of guys as back-up muscle would have been the way to go. 8 guys is an intimidating, formidable group that you could present as a threat to take things over but not ridiculously huge either.
Okay. This is the 100th video of yours I've watched. You are, by a large margin, the very best wrestling historian regarding the 90s. Your pacing is frighteningly effective. Tons of info in less than 30 minutes. Feels like I watched a 2 hour documentary. Where you shine brightest is your in depth explanations of every aspect of an event that occurred. Spot on mate. Cheers. Please do more on Raven if you get a chance. Biggest waste of a big money character by both companies ever IMO.
There are a couple of main problems for me: 1. Far FAR to many members toward the end 2. Too much of a good thing, like we were seeing it constantly more and more to the point where I was kind of over it 3. Egos running rough shot That’s my opinion on it anyway
@@shahzadkhan-tt9oc To be fair: WCW was probably gonna to go out of business anyway due to AOL/TimeWarmer simply did not want it and plus WWF could do things WCW couldn't do under Turner
I think the members were just mismanaged. They put too many members high on the pedestal. For what its worth Hogan should have been using a new finisher or being just a manager to an up and coming potential main eventer like the Giant or Scott Norton.
On the Starrcade video, I talked with someone else in the comments about how they could have used the main event to split the nWo. With Nash no-showing the event, if Hogan were to lose cleanly to Sting, Hollywood could unleash his anger at the other members for not coming out to run interference or help him, and especially Nash for not even appearing. I'm 22, so I wasn't able to watch the Wolfpac era and I understand people liked it at the time, but they could either have gone into the Wolfpac then and there or they could have completely disbanded the nWo by having them implode. Furthermore, my personal opinion is that having the nWo booked as strong as they were from the start and for so long was extremely risky. It was almost like saying, "Two guys from the other wrestling company can instill fear into our entire roster and overpower everyone" which is a bizarre message to send and surprises me with how well it was received by the fans.
Larry Bundy Jr. Introduce me to that AMAZING Mr. Big's Art of Fighting Theme (SNES version) some years ago.. And Yes! I wish he do one about the New Generation Era and The Beginning of the WCW Era after Ted Turner bought Jim Crockett Promotion out..
@@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090 Well, and that's a lot. Already better than the entire nWo in my book. But there were other good things too. All the other Hart family members, Undertaker, Razor, Shawn (despite severe issues), Perfect (when he was around), BamBam, Luna, HeadShrinkers (before they were babyfaced), Yoko (before he became too big), Quebecers, Ted DuBiase as a manager (at least in principle) and if we include 1993 (which isn't strictly New Generation) evil Doink. And yes, I actually like Double J.
@@greenkoopa LOL!!! That sh_t was annoying as hell but that was the point right.. and it did it's job.. Steve Richards was so damn annoying as a chicken sh_t heel but it worked perfectly...
Sting vs NWO and Stone Cold vs Vince may never be matched in terms of absolute brilliance. You could simply never miss it. The amount of excitement I had as a kid when Sting appeared or Stone Colds music hit has never been matched. Maybe Edge return was close.
Once WCW had their Nitro logo printed on the mat in late '98 when Ultimate Warrior returned, Scott Hall was drunk, Rick Steiner calling out Chucky, and the half time set Nitro pyro went off in the middle of Bam Bam Bigalow's match is when I thought WCW was going down even before Mankind's big win.
@goku kaioken Almost anything is better than current WWE. All those robotic promos, generic looking wrestlers, predictable segments, and commercial breaks every 5 minutes.... it's 3 hours of torture. 2003 SmackDown! will always be my wrestling show. I was there when the ring collapsed in Orlando, FL
@@joekingman208 "generic looking wrestlers" I couldn't agree more. They're getting a little better now particularly the tag team and womens division with characters, but for a long time it's been generic boots and tights and first name last name guys.
Good analysis you did major research just as expected. You are one of if not the best wrestling historians on youtube. Every upload helps me learn about the business I love.
Love this channel. The best wrestling channel on TH-cam! Talks good information, smart, entertaining and very respectful to the sport and to the wrestlers who competed in it.
These Six Problems videos are great, brother. Real in-depth analysis and attention to detail. A series l for one would love to see continue. You truly are the best wrestling TH-cam channel, brother. Please keep it up
I love your content man. Especially the reliving the wars . I didn’t have cable growing up so I had to get my info via second hand by friends and magazines when we would go grocery shopping. Just signed up for the patreon, I respect you booker man ! Much love
I would love to see a video about ravens flock or even the four horseman. You're the best at what you do and I'm sure I'll enjoy whatever you decide to cover next!
The thing about there being too many members. It made sense considering that their gimmick was to be more than just another faction but an invading force trying to take over, with faces and heels on the WCW side in unison against them. I know you mentioned that some of the more "questionable choices" were probably made with the nWo show in mind, but regardless of that show not pulling the ratings they had hoped for, I do at least see where they were going from the storyline perspective. They were trying to appear to be something more than just another WCW stable, at that time. That was one of the major differences of the whole nWo thing. I wouldn't have had as much of an issue with the "split" and the "Wolfpac" if they had done it differently. They fired Syxx, broke up Hall and Nash, and put people like Lex Luger in it (only because he was a big name), whose character really just didn't belong or fit the intended group vibe. The glass ceiling for younger talent was very annoying at the time, though. I don't blame the ones who left for the WWE and what was greener pastures back then.
Exactly. It's almost like people forget they were masquerading as their own promotion, looking like the old WWF. It fooled the marks, and confused these smarks
@wrestlingbios What I love about your channel is that you get right to the point, unlike channels like What Culture which spends more time trying to be funny with dumb jokes than getting on with the topic. God bless you sir with great content, tone, pacing, and detailed programing.
The storytelling could be so incoherent for WCW in those days. So many Nitros would just end in complete chaos. Alliances would change constantly to the point of being meaningless. Yet it still felt like you were on the verge of seeing something amazing. But the signature main event moment never came.
DDP was friends with Scott Hall and Kevin Nash and Biscoff that's how DDP got his spot. DDP and Gb were both insanely popular with the casual audience.
I would like to see a Bio/Documentation about the Million Dollar Corporation. Or about King of the Ring 1995 and why it was such a booking disaster. Or about Miss Elisabeths time in WCW, when she was there mostly as a heel valet after all those WWF babyface years. Your work is fantastic. I watch your channel everyday.
i lost interest when there were no clean finishes, and every thing was interference by the NWO. it seemed like a waste after the impact of the hogan heal turn.
They were clean finishes it’s just no one likes to talk about it anymore. Hogan loss clean to piper and Goldberg which is something he had never done in WWF. Kevin Nash, Scott Hall and Syxx Lost the Slamboree main event to piper, flair and Kevin Green cleanly. And those three the three Kliq Members lost more PPV matches then they won.
The original NWO faction should have ended at Starcade 1997 when Sting won the title. I would have had the NWO come back as a new faction in the form of the Wolfpack a few months later and have Sting as the heel leader of the group
They should have check in on Sting, had him be better prepared and introduce Bret as an unexpected ally from the outside whom foils a run-in attempt. Plus making Hogan to do the J.O.B cleanly.
I would love to see a video about the Fabulous Freebirds, the Freebird Rule and teams and factions that have evoked said Rule through the years. Keep up the good work!
Bischoff kept kissing Hogan's ass when he should've told him to sit down and STFU!! Remember he was getting booed weekly before he turned heel! He should've been grateful that he had a second life with the NWO turn, instead his ego got even bigger and he destroyed the locker room with his antics!
It should have been at least 10 members with 7 members with all the belts with buff bagwell, Virgil and the other two no names being a comedy relief stooges. That should have been your NWO.
@@attiepollard7847 Heavyweight Champion= Hogan US Champion= Scott Steiner TV Champion- Curt Hennig Tag Champions= Hall and Nash Cruiserweight Champion= Syxx Muscle/Fodder = Norton , Adams ,Konan Management = Rude and DiBiase that's it
Episode ideas for series: 1. The Kliq 2. North American territory era 3. TNA 4. Vince Russo booking 5. NXT 6. WWE Authority factions 7. McMahon vs McMahon storylines 8. WWF Golden Age 9. WWF Attitude era 10. Hardcore wrestling 11. WWE 2K video games 12. Modern WWE creative 13. Modern WWE censorship of Archive material 14. Kayfabe 15. Pre Modern era women’s wrestling 16. Modern WWE Scripted promos 17. Dungeon of Doom 18. WCW (88-93) 19. WCW Thunder 20. WWF in 1995
Another problem with the nWo that occurred to me while watching this, namely their lack of cruiserweights and younger talent. They had Waltman and Konnan (at least when they weren’t injured or no-showing), but for the most part the faction was full of midcarders either past their primes or that worked more traditional “rasslin” styles. Imagine how differently they would’ve been perceived if they had guys like Guerrero or Jericho in the mix.
I'd like to see a video on the Wyatt Family. So much potential and a great idea that seemed to always be thrown off to the side when WWE needed to push someone else
Thank you for making this video. You stated precisely why the NWO may have been a great idea but also shot itself in the foot. This was a well made and well researched video.
Another fantastic video. I'd love to see one about the late-90s WWF faction "The Oddities". I was always really interested by them, but they had a pretty short run overall.
I never got into the Corporate Ministry. I liked the Ministry of Darkness it was a awesome heel faction, but after that reveal and the formation of the Corporate Ministry I lost all interest and hype for the faction.
@@derrickhaggard me either, I definitely loved the Ministry of Darkness much more and didn't like it when they merged with the Corporation to become the Corporate Ministry as I felt it completely murdered all of Undertaker and his faction's mystique.
Something I feel would be an interesting video down the line, possibly at the end of Reliving the War: using Glacier as a case study/omen for why WCW fell apart. Convoluted storylines (Blood Runs Cold), holding onto stuff for too long (the huge delay in Glacier's debut), failing to fulfill announced cards/good booking (Glacier was announced to debut in July and subsequently did not), and major funding issues (Glacier's entrance and attire being ridiculously expensive for a midcard guy).
The nWo was special, my dad before he died loved them, we loved them together. Thanks for this and reminding me of the good times I had with him brother!
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't WCW have people like AJ Styles, and James Storm as jobbers? Shame they didn't recognize talent that would've made them last.
@@sithmaster4305 Not sure if you're criticising WCW here, but AJ Styles was only in his early 20's at that point. It'd be like criticising WWE for having Jeff Hardy as a jobber in his early career.
The initial nWo invasion is my favorite wrestling storyline of all time. I didn't even mind when all the people were joining because it reminded me of a virus or an outbreak, lol (I'm a zombie movie fan), and I quite enjoyed how the announcers would get paranoid, and freak about who might be next! But its a great point about ending the story (so important!) and how they set up things perfectly for Sting to do it going into Starcade '97. As for if nWo dies we wouldn't get the Wolf Pack, I think they could have still done it. Just after a break for a while. Hell, they probably would have been even more over if the Wolfpack was nWo's big resurrection- not unlike DX 2.0.
A black and blue nWo was planned with savage as its head. It was gonna be nWo madness with savage,Sid,scott steiner and the other members of team madness from 1999 but it never materialized.
I remember, when I was a kid, really digging the nWo at first. But eventually my brother and I were captivated by the antics happening on WWF - just thought the characters were more entertaining. I remember tuning into WCW occasionally after awhile and just being so confused...seemed like everyone was in nWo, then there was the Wolf Pac and just...yeah, a mess.
If they kept it down to a reasonable number of members and had a payoff with the heels eventually losing, it'd have worked. But everyone got beaten up by then and simply joined them the next week. B/c the group was so big, they sucked up all the oxygen in the room and cost a lot of guys chances. Also, Crispen Wah.
They just saw the future and took a cue from Finn Balor's Balor Club is for everyone, though Balor meant that in a spirtual sort of way to refer to his fan club and those associated with The Bullet Club, I think nWo took that the wrong and meant that all the boys SHOULD be included haha
They just saw the future and took a cue from Finn Balor's Balor Club is for everyone, though Balor meant that in a spirtual sort of way to refer to his fan club and those associated with The Bullet Club, I think nWo took that the wrong and meant that all the boys SHOULD be included haha
I think Hogan, Nash, Hall, Steiner, Konan, Bagwell an Norton should have been it. Bagwell deserved a better push imo and Norton could have been like an enforcer type like Arn Anderson. Syxx would have been cool but he fit better in DX.
Love your vids I am a child of that era and was a huge Sting fan especially during Crow Era. 96-97 Was hands down the golden era and we will never see anything like it.
Can anyone remember actually seeing a 'Fake Sting' match? He must have had the cushiest job in all of wrestling, he just stood around in the background and occasionally took a Scorpion Death Drop!
Could do with a few videos on the 1999-2000 Russo craziness in WCW and the company's death spiral. Don't think that's been covered in detail. Would love to know if you think things could have been turned around by that point.
Not likely. Hall wasn't the type to politic his way into being the top guy, Nash was but without Hogan they wouldn't have made such an impact. The AOL-Time Warner merger meant WCW was on an inevitable death clock no matter if they won the war or not. The executives wanted wrestling gone.
They ran it into the ground. Crow Sting should have ended it at Starcade 1997 with Hogan, he was literally build as the Crow/Batman type hero just have him end the stable with a clean finish & move onto Bret Hart who was white hot coming in off the Screw Job. They could have had Bischoff continue to be the heel promoter who could feud with Sting, Hart, DDP and then eventually Goldberg. WWE didn’t start McMahon vs Austin till mid 1998, could have beaten them to the punch.
Wrestling Bio’s is a absolute legend Another tremendous video just like the rest of them Wrestling Bio’s is my number 1 TH-cam channel now & the timing could not be better You are providing nostalgia for people like me and also in crazy world these days this channel provides a much needed escape from the day to day headaches I love you Wrestling Bio ❤️
Can I point it the fantastic in ring agility of everyone at around 8:47 when EG did a crossbody, and with in a milisecond the ring official leapt over all of them for the count??? Ya see that stuff??)
I liked how they kept adding more members to the NWO It was exciting each week not knowing who was going to join next. I use to watch on TNT on cable every Friday night to watch 2 hours of Nitro. I use to look forward to it every week.
The 6 problems:
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5. Me
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Lmfao,.. I'm 😵😵😵
7. Dude
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AKA the Hollywood Hogan clause.
What I remember about the NWO was WCW stopped having clean matches. Every match was either a DQ with no supplemental disciple after the fact or some interference would give the win to the NWO. It got really stale really fast.
It’s called the hulk hogan finish 🤣🤣🤣
Agreed. The main problem is the NWO never got their comeuppance. It's Writing 101, when a stable like that takes over in kayfabe and puts everybody down, the only logical resolution is the opposing faction brews their revenge spits everything back at the NWO's face. But Bischoff is too much of a fan girl and Hogan had creative control so they forgot basic storytelling.
I’ll be 32 tomorrow and after all these years I still don’t think Sting should have ever joined The N.W.O…
Dude... You was like 8 or 9 yrs old.. You didn't know nothing 😂
@@LaidBack-- I know that sting was less hard when he switched from The Crow Version to the Red and Black.
And back in the day I used to watch WCW all the time…. So what do you know…😒
Yeah after fighting so hard against the nwo, him suddenly joining up was weird
@@LaidBack-- as opposed to people who weren't born until 10-15 years after the fact but still pretend to know everything about it?
I fully agree!!! And Happy Birthday
By the end it was 3 factions, like 70% of the roster
It was at the point where disco inferno was wearing a Wolfpack shirt🤣
Just too much
😂 basically
When you're a fan and hear the Wolfpack music hit you should be guaranteed a star but man imagine seeing NWO Wolfpack vs NWO Hollywood on the card and then you get Disco Inferno vs Vincent...lol
@@blitzwarzone342
Right?😂
Disco Inferno becoming a member of the Wolfpack/Elite was the NWO repeating one of its past mistakes. They thought that someone joining the NWO would get them instantly over because it was the "cool" thing to do. If you were in the NWO, you were cool.(or so they thought, Vergil was never cool in WCW) and so when the NWO Elite came along, they thought it'd get Disco instantly over and cool by putting him in the Elite faction, because after all, "Elite" implies good, right? WCW had been trying to get Disco over for years. And remember, David Flare was in the NWO Elite, a Nepotism Baby with zero Wrestling skill, no Athletic ability, no Charisma and no Acting ability what-so-ever.
There was never a payoff. Eventually, Goldberg and DDP should have rallied the rest of WCW to beat them
I know it doesn't even need to be said AGAIN, but I'm gonna say it anyway.... Hogan/Sting, starcade 97.. should've been the greatest moment ever, I'm still pissed about it..
My thoughts exactly
A Fall Brawl War Games with Goldberg, DDP, Sting, and any 2 memorable midcarders(Jericho, Raven, Booker T, Benoit, etc) vs Hall, Nash, Hogan, Savage, and Bret with with NWO disbanding and Bischoff's career on the line would've been cooler than what we got in 97 or 98.
The payoff was supposed to happen after the fingerpoke of doom, Goldberg was set to destroy the nWo once and for all but Goldberg decided to punch limo windows had a major injury and then the New Blood happened when n he came back from injury
@@fifedogg511 That makes perfect sense. Even by that point, NWO wore out it's welcome.
The biggest problem with the nWo was that it put the spotlight mostly on aged WWF talent, even though Hall and Nash had been to WCW before they got over in WWF, and looking back at it they sacrificed the rest of the roster. They had great "home grown" guys, but only really elevated DDP and Goldberg, when they had so much more talent than those 2, and Eddie Guerrero and Chris Jericho had to leave to realize their ceiling.
Back then even me, my grandma and my neighbour could be an nWo member
I was born 91 and was a mini member 💯
NWO were like the Wu Tang Clan of wrestling 😂😂
Did you ever get back and put some water in Buck Nasty's mama's dish?
I was born in 99, and even I join the NWO.
Even the line of ants heading to the anthill in my park are all part of the nwo!
If a faction has more than 6 people it's to many, 6 gives you all your bases.
1 The charismatic main eventer
2 the technical grappler
3&4 the tag team
5 the high flyer
6 the heavy
So basically DX,
Shawn Micheals
HHH
Road Dogg and Billy Gunn aka Mr. Ass
Xpac
Chyna
It was too many damn people. Plain and simple
I think having people going after each title (world, tag team, cruiserweight, US and TV) and then a couple of guys as back-up muscle would have been the way to go. 8 guys is an intimidating, formidable group that you could present as a threat to take things over but not ridiculously huge either.
@@BiggieTrismegistus I think Aces & Eights from TNA was a perfect example of a faction.
I disagree. I loved the ministry with the brood. That had 8. 9 if u included Paul.
My dad had no clue who nWo were; so one day we were watching WCW nitro and he was like "how comes most of the wrestlers have the same theme song?"
😂
Lmaoc
🤣 your dad real old huh
Nitro in late 98 became nauseating because half of the wrestlers theme was NWO
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Okay. This is the 100th video of yours I've watched.
You are, by a large margin, the very best wrestling historian regarding the 90s. Your pacing is frighteningly effective. Tons of info in less than 30 minutes. Feels like I watched a 2 hour documentary. Where you shine brightest is your in depth explanations of every aspect of an event that occurred.
Spot on mate. Cheers. Please do more on Raven if you get a chance. Biggest waste of a big money character by both companies ever IMO.
There are a couple of main problems for me:
1. Far FAR to many members toward the end
2. Too much of a good thing, like we were seeing it constantly more and more to the point where I was kind of over it
3. Egos running rough shot
That’s my opinion on it anyway
I'm From PKISTAN.
big wan Of OLD WRESTLING.
you are an absolutely right.
3 of the Main Reasons of Their DAWNFALL.
@@shahzadkhan-tt9oc To be fair: WCW was probably gonna to go out of business anyway due to AOL/TimeWarmer simply did not want it and plus WWF could do things WCW couldn't do under Turner
Hulk Hogan: So what ya gonna do when hulk hogan and his huge EGO runs wild on you........
Me: Stop watching, turn over to RAW and watch WCW fold.
I think the members were just mismanaged. They put too many members high on the pedestal. For what its worth Hogan should have been using a new finisher or being just a manager to an up and coming potential main eventer like the Giant or Scott Norton.
@@njoydajourney you can't say that NWO was over the top
It's crazy how WCW unintentionally became a development territory for WWF by 1999/2000!
facts
Marks
he's out of line but he's right!
I'd argue before that, Undertaker, HHH, Austin, Foley all got a little TV time to get started
WCW was always a 2nd class wrestling promotion. The little bit of shine they got, were from old guys that WWF turned into stars.
They killed it by having it continue so LONG. An NWO split with a well done Hall/Nash feud or a Hall/Nash turn on Hogan would've been AWESOME
Watch superbrawl when they split them. The fans spoke, they wanted Hall and Nash together to turn on Hogan.
@@Thor-Orion definitely. That would've gave Hall/Nash a new life as villains and Hogan new life as a face
On the Starrcade video, I talked with someone else in the comments about how they could have used the main event to split the nWo. With Nash no-showing the event, if Hogan were to lose cleanly to Sting, Hollywood could unleash his anger at the other members for not coming out to run interference or help him, and especially Nash for not even appearing. I'm 22, so I wasn't able to watch the Wolfpac era and I understand people liked it at the time, but they could either have gone into the Wolfpac then and there or they could have completely disbanded the nWo by having them implode.
Furthermore, my personal opinion is that having the nWo booked as strong as they were from the start and for so long was extremely risky. It was almost like saying, "Two guys from the other wrestling company can instill fear into our entire roster and overpower everyone" which is a bizarre message to send and surprises me with how well it was received by the fans.
@@dawsonbosco8217 cool storyline!!!
@@kevinlee9929 probably so. Either way, splitting them would've been better
I always loved that WCW original Nitro set. Very nostalgic.
As a young teen in the 90s WCW was so awesome with the Cruiserweight and after that Nwo was great (sure with problems but) great times to be a fan .
In high school, we wre sent home for wearing nWo and DX shirts, because the faculty thought they were gang related.
Hell yeah brother I grew up glued to the TV every Monday night flipping back and forth it was sweet now days ain't worth watching what so ever
@@karenault6273 I did that too!
I think the whole of the WWF "New Generation" era would make for a great problematic episode.
Truly would the new generation era was pretty much a struggling time for the company
Larry Bundy Jr. Introduce me to that AMAZING Mr. Big's Art of Fighting Theme (SNES version) some years ago.. And Yes! I wish he do one about the New Generation Era and The Beginning of the WCW Era after Ted Turner bought Jim Crockett Promotion out..
That's like beating a dead horse. How about Great things about the New Generation?
@@str.77 Bret.
That's all I can think of.
@@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090 Well, and that's a lot. Already better than the entire nWo in my book.
But there were other good things too. All the other Hart family members, Undertaker, Razor, Shawn (despite severe issues), Perfect (when he was around), BamBam, Luna, HeadShrinkers (before they were babyfaced), Yoko (before he became too big), Quebecers, Ted DuBiase as a manager (at least in principle) and if we include 1993 (which isn't strictly New Generation) evil Doink. And yes, I actually like Double J.
Definitely mishandled in terms of story but damn, the nWo theme music was the best.
Those "NEW-NEW-NEW Wolrd Order 4 4 LIFE!!" watermarks were ahead of the curve before hip-hop made those things popular lol
@@seinenwax94jr9 underrated comment ^
Not as good as Right to Censor
Hell Yeah! All their theme were and still is.. Those themes are up there with Stone Cold Steve Austin's Theme..
@@greenkoopa LOL!!! That sh_t was annoying as hell but that was the point right.. and it did it's job.. Steve Richards was so damn annoying as a chicken sh_t heel but it worked perfectly...
Sting vs NWO and Stone Cold vs Vince may never be matched in terms of absolute brilliance. You could simply never miss it. The amount of excitement I had as a kid when Sting appeared or Stone Colds music hit has never been matched. Maybe Edge return was close.
Once WCW had their Nitro logo printed on the mat in late '98 when Ultimate Warrior returned, Scott Hall was drunk, Rick Steiner calling out Chucky, and the half time set Nitro pyro went off in the middle of Bam Bam Bigalow's match is when I thought WCW was going down even before Mankind's big win.
Right there with you!
@goku kaioken Almost anything is better than current WWE. All those robotic promos, generic looking wrestlers, predictable segments, and commercial breaks every 5 minutes.... it's 3 hours of torture.
2003 SmackDown! will always be my wrestling show. I was there when the ring collapsed in Orlando, FL
@@joekingman208 "generic looking wrestlers" I couldn't agree more. They're getting a little better now particularly the tag team and womens division with characters, but for a long time it's been generic boots and tights and first name last name guys.
I'll take awkward Rick vs Titantron Chucky any day over another Reigns title win
@@SantaPorter420 Reigns is more over than Rick
You forgot the seventh mistake: forgetting to “look at the adjective”
"PLAY..." 🤣🤣
You mean Adjetive 🤣
Even as a kid that bothered me.. I wasn't a scholar in school but I know the difference between a verb and an adjective..
One positive nwo inspired the bullet club and the elite
I love this new series. If possible, could you please talk about the 6 problems with HHH's reign of terror?
Problem 1 - Minute 1 of a 20 minute promo
Problem 2 - Minute 2 of a 20 minute promo
Problem 3 - Minute 3 of a 20 minute promo
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@@SteRDLK can you please explain more
Everything. It was terrible!
Booker T at WrestleMania 19, there's an obvious one...
There are no 6 problems. The only problem is that it buried deserving talent. Kane, RVD, Jericho, Booker T, Goldust, Nash
Scott Hall has one of the best Stunner sells of all time. Never get tired of seeing it.
Him and The Rock! Bret Hart had a good one too. Just went completely stiff. Almost as if Austin broke his jaw.
@@AVENUENIGHTS the rocks sucked unless you are into fish flopping out of water
@@reddhead2948 I admit The Rock oversells.
What about Shane McMahon? I like Shane’s.
Him and the rock , but the rock on I’m talking about was after a show , he took two and the second one he went flying lmao
Wrestling Bios on Sundays is just too sweeeeet!
Good analysis you did major research just as expected. You are one of if not the best wrestling historians on youtube. Every upload helps me learn about the business I love.
Loving the new “Problems” mini series within the channel. 💙
Me 2
Love this channel. The best wrestling channel on TH-cam! Talks good information, smart, entertaining and very respectful to the sport and to the wrestlers who competed in it.
Who are you to doubt Vincent in the nWo
The best most original gimmick
Fuckin unsubcribed mate. Absurd!
Should've been called the new Vincent order
@@matthewmota9154 Vincent for life.
That's like doubting El Dandy
Now this is the sort of content I love to see as 'New' on TH-cam. Great video Wrestling Bios, thank you!
These Six Problems videos are great, brother. Real in-depth analysis and attention to detail. A series l for one would love to see continue. You truly are the best wrestling TH-cam channel, brother. Please keep it up
That's a good details
I love your content man. Especially the reliving the wars . I didn’t have cable growing up so I had to get my info via second hand by friends and magazines when we would go grocery shopping. Just signed up for the patreon, I respect you booker man ! Much love
The nWo should’ve ended either when Sting won the title at Starrcade or when Goldberg won the title on Nitro.
I feel like the Wolfpack should have been it’s own stable as opposed to an extension of the nwo it should have been wcw’s answer to dx
@Damien Jones HBK, HHH, X-Pac, Hall & Nash were members of the Kilq!!
@@chozahfearless7524 dx was practically the lovechild of nwo & raven's flock. silly idea in my opinion.
@@fromtexas2734 hogan was already a has been by then. goldberg never really grabbed me. not much of a wrestler, barely more than just a brute.
@@jpbart1390 I definitely don’t see that but ok
I would love to see a video about ravens flock or even the four horseman. You're the best at what you do and I'm sure I'll enjoy whatever you decide to cover next!
The thing about there being too many members. It made sense considering that their gimmick was to be more than just another faction but an invading force trying to take over, with faces and heels on the WCW side in unison against them. I know you mentioned that some of the more "questionable choices" were probably made with the nWo show in mind, but regardless of that show not pulling the ratings they had hoped for, I do at least see where they were going from the storyline perspective. They were trying to appear to be something more than just another WCW stable, at that time. That was one of the major differences of the whole nWo thing.
I wouldn't have had as much of an issue with the "split" and the "Wolfpac" if they had done it differently. They fired Syxx, broke up Hall and Nash, and put people like Lex Luger in it (only because he was a big name), whose character really just didn't belong or fit the intended group vibe.
The glass ceiling for younger talent was very annoying at the time, though. I don't blame the ones who left for the WWE and what was greener pastures back then.
Exactly. It's almost like people forget they were masquerading as their own promotion, looking like the old WWF. It fooled the marks, and confused these smarks
@wrestlingbios What I love about your channel is that you get right to the point, unlike channels like What Culture which spends more time trying to be funny with dumb jokes than getting on with the topic.
God bless you sir with great content, tone, pacing, and detailed programing.
The Rock making fun of all 3 members was Rock at his comedic promo best😎
The semi horn toot 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
😂😂😂😂
You! Chico!
The ultimate irony being Nash, the guy who buried everyone in WCW, bitching about the Rock burying him in promos.
The storytelling could be so incoherent for WCW in those days. So many Nitros would just end in complete chaos. Alliances would change constantly to the point of being meaningless. Yet it still felt like you were on the verge of seeing something amazing. But the signature main event moment never came.
Yes! Our prayers have been heard! Lol keep making more of your 6 problems series
Hope this 6 problems with series is one to stay because its definitely entertaining
7. Glacier was not the third man.
Cool idea.
@Matthew Hodge he was just one year late. And if his 1999(I think it was) repackage occurred in 97 then it would be slightly more fond of by people.
@@mikebottomlesspitdunham2954 pun intended?
@@jpbart1390 fully intended.
DDP was friends with Scott Hall and Kevin Nash and Biscoff that's how DDP got his spot. DDP and Gb were both insanely popular with the casual audience.
I would like to see a Bio/Documentation about the Million Dollar Corporation. Or about King of the Ring 1995 and why it was such a booking disaster. Or about Miss Elisabeths time in WCW, when she was there mostly as a heel valet after all those WWF babyface years. Your work is fantastic. I watch your channel everyday.
i lost interest when there were no clean finishes, and every thing was interference by the NWO. it seemed like a waste after the impact of the hogan heal turn.
it did get stupid & that's why i eventually turned off.
What, you didn’t like NWO breaking up every match on the card to prove how badass they were?
@@AV57 i got annoyed with it after a while, myself.
They were clean finishes it’s just no one likes to talk about it anymore. Hogan loss clean to piper and Goldberg which is something he had never done in WWF. Kevin Nash, Scott Hall and Syxx Lost the Slamboree main event to piper, flair and Kevin Green cleanly. And those three the three Kliq Members lost more PPV matches then they won.
@@bdr113080 it happened more often than it did not for me to loose interest, especially towards the decline of the company.
The original NWO faction should have ended at Starcade 1997 when Sting won the title. I would have had the NWO come back as a new faction in the form of the Wolfpack a few months later and have Sting as the heel leader of the group
They should have check in on Sting, had him be better prepared and introduce Bret as an unexpected ally from the outside whom foils a run-in attempt. Plus making Hogan to do the J.O.B cleanly.
I would love to see a video about the Fabulous Freebirds, the Freebird Rule and teams and factions that have evoked said Rule through the years.
Keep up the good work!
The number 1 real problem, Hulk Hogan's ego... also Company Killer's very ironic
The Kliq
Bischoff kept kissing Hogan's ass when he should've told him to sit down and STFU!! Remember he was getting booed weekly before he turned heel! He should've been grateful that he had a second life with the NWO turn, instead his ego got even bigger and he destroyed the locker room with his antics!
I would like to see a segment on the LWO. While brief, I always thought it was a interesting angle. Great video as always, thank for your time!
WCW heel wrestler or jobber: Can I join the NWO
NWO: yes anyone can join
"My mom is in the nWo!" used to be a joke in high school.
It should have been at least 10 members with 7 members with all the belts with buff bagwell, Virgil and the other two no names being a comedy relief stooges. That should have been your NWO.
...except Ed Leslie.
@@attiepollard7847
Heavyweight Champion= Hogan
US Champion= Scott Steiner
TV Champion- Curt Hennig
Tag Champions= Hall and Nash
Cruiserweight Champion= Syxx
Muscle/Fodder = Norton , Adams ,Konan
Management = Rude and DiBiase that's it
@@icharneco29 lol we're Vincent at
Knowing wrestling bios, the fact they let Ed Leslie in at one point.
Of course
Come on man bootyman equals booties in seats. That's common knowledge lol
19:23 imagine that kind of shot being shown of tv today lmao
Lol, send in the FBI
Been keeping up with your videos for a while. This may be my favorite. Great work.
#7 They didnt recruit El Dandy. Hes a great technician, a high flyer of the highest magnitude, and to top it all off, hes a jam up guy.
Indeed. They doubted el Dandy.
Who were they to doubt El Dandy?
I am less than 5 seconds in and already dropped the like. Thanks for ALWAYS bringing great content.
Episode ideas for series:
1. The Kliq
2. North American territory era
3. TNA
4. Vince Russo booking
5. NXT
6. WWE Authority factions
7. McMahon vs McMahon storylines
8. WWF Golden Age
9. WWF Attitude era
10. Hardcore wrestling
11. WWE 2K video games
12. Modern WWE creative
13. Modern WWE censorship of Archive material
14. Kayfabe
15. Pre Modern era women’s wrestling
16. Modern WWE Scripted promos
17. Dungeon of Doom
18. WCW (88-93)
19. WCW Thunder
20. WWF in 1995
Loving the fact your creating diff types of videos... 10/10.... Videos like this are well interesting to me, keep it up 👊
Another problem with the nWo that occurred to me while watching this, namely their lack of cruiserweights and younger talent. They had Waltman and Konnan (at least when they weren’t injured or no-showing), but for the most part the faction was full of midcarders either past their primes or that worked more traditional “rasslin” styles. Imagine how differently they would’ve been perceived if they had guys like Guerrero or Jericho in the mix.
Thank you for all your hard work every time you pop up with a new episode I watch it,thanks again
I'd like to see a video on the Wyatt Family. So much potential and a great idea that seemed to always be thrown off to the side when WWE needed to push someone else
Thank you for making this video. You stated precisely why the NWO may have been a great idea but also shot itself in the foot. This was a well made and well researched video.
I love the ministry of darkness and I’ve known some of their big problems too, I think a ministry problems video would be really interesting
Another fantastic video. I'd love to see one about the late-90s WWF faction "The Oddities". I was always really interested by them, but they had a pretty short run overall.
With Evolution being mentioned, is a video about Triple Hs so called "Reign of Terror" possible?
We are all truely waiting for u to do the highly anticipated video on the one any only, GILBERG
Another fantastic video as always 👏
Keep up the good work 👍
I'd love to see a video about the problems with the Corporate Ministry
I never got into the Corporate Ministry. I liked the Ministry of Darkness it was a awesome heel faction, but after that reveal and the formation of the Corporate Ministry I lost all interest and hype for the faction.
@@derrickhaggard me either, I definitely loved the Ministry of Darkness much more and didn't like it when they merged with the Corporation to become the Corporate Ministry as I felt it completely murdered all of Undertaker and his faction's mystique.
@@derrickhaggard when were they? i never heard of them. must've been within the past 20 years. i gave up on wrestling in '99.
@@jpbart1390 around 98 or 99
Something I feel would be an interesting video down the line, possibly at the end of Reliving the War: using Glacier as a case study/omen for why WCW fell apart. Convoluted storylines (Blood Runs Cold), holding onto stuff for too long (the huge delay in Glacier's debut), failing to fulfill announced cards/good booking (Glacier was announced to debut in July and subsequently did not), and major funding issues (Glacier's entrance and attire being ridiculously expensive for a midcard guy).
Egomania running wild, brother!
Mama always said: Same things that make u laugh, same things that will make you cry
Well since you did videos for Raven in ECW, WCW and WWF you should do his TNA/Impact career.
The Career Of Kurt Angle would be incredible as well.
The nWo was special, my dad before he died loved them, we loved them together. Thanks for this and reminding me of the good times I had with him brother!
I miss the nWo Wolfpac. When they managed to get Sting on board, I just flipped out. Best period of pro wrestling EVER.
Your videos are ridiculously entertaing...love em bro...keep it up
You need to do one about WCW never build up younger wrestlers
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't WCW have people like AJ Styles, and James Storm as jobbers? Shame they didn't recognize talent that would've made them last.
@@sithmaster4305 Not sure if you're criticising WCW here, but AJ Styles was only in his early 20's at that point. It'd be like criticising WWE for having Jeff Hardy as a jobber in his early career.
They did have AJ
@@SteRDLK AJ style sucks look like a stupid high school jocky
The initial nWo invasion is my favorite wrestling storyline of all time. I didn't even mind when all the people were joining because it reminded me of a virus or an outbreak, lol (I'm a zombie movie fan), and I quite enjoyed how the announcers would get paranoid, and freak about who might be next! But its a great point about ending the story (so important!) and how they set up things perfectly for Sting to do it going into Starcade '97.
As for if nWo dies we wouldn't get the Wolf Pack, I think they could have still done it. Just after a break for a while. Hell, they probably would have been even more over if the Wolfpack was nWo's big resurrection- not unlike DX 2.0.
A black and blue nWo was planned with savage as its head. It was gonna be nWo madness with savage,Sid,scott steiner and the other members of team madness from 1999 but it never materialized.
Where can I find this information at
I’m so glad I came back to this channel
Your next video should be "the 6 problems of Triple h's championship reign of terror and burying talent
Half of WWE Networks subs should be on this channel. You do it such justice it's fantastic
I remember, when I was a kid, really digging the nWo at first. But eventually my brother and I were captivated by the antics happening on WWF - just thought the characters were more entertaining. I remember tuning into WCW occasionally after awhile and just being so confused...seemed like everyone was in nWo, then there was the Wolf Pac and just...yeah, a mess.
If they kept it down to a reasonable number of members and had a payoff with the heels eventually losing, it'd have worked. But everyone got beaten up by then and simply joined them the next week. B/c the group was so big, they sucked up all the oxygen in the room and cost a lot of guys chances. Also, Crispen Wah.
Everything was good until they start letting any and everybody into the group
They just saw the future and took a cue from Finn Balor's Balor Club is for everyone, though Balor meant that in a spirtual sort of way to refer to his fan club and those associated with The Bullet Club, I think nWo took that the wrong and meant that all the boys SHOULD be included haha
They just saw the future and took a cue from Finn Balor's Balor Club is for everyone, though Balor meant that in a spirtual sort of way to refer to his fan club and those associated with The Bullet Club, I think nWo took that the wrong and meant that all the boys SHOULD be included haha
It should have stayed ex WWF guys only
I think Hogan, Nash, Hall, Steiner, Konan, Bagwell an Norton should have been it. Bagwell deserved a better push imo and Norton could have been like an enforcer type like Arn Anderson. Syxx would have been cool but he fit better in DX.
You mean to tell me Ed Leslie and Vincent weren't the backbone of the NWO?
Love your vids I am a child of that era and was a huge Sting fan especially during Crow Era. 96-97 Was hands down the golden era and we will never see anything like it.
Where can I get a longer version of the intro NWO remix?!
I looked at the pin nail I'm like oh oh here we go. But be honest you nailed it right on the head. Great video!
Can anyone remember actually seeing a 'Fake Sting' match? He must have had the cushiest job in all of wrestling, he just stood around in the background and occasionally took a Scorpion Death Drop!
WCW era Lanny Poffo had the cushiest job.
He did wrestle pretty regularly in New Japan at the time, but I can't actually remember any match he wrestled in WCW.
I really hope this channel makes a video about Ernest "The Cat" Miller sometime in the near future, that would be awesome. 👏🏽🍿💪🏾
Could do with a few videos on the 1999-2000 Russo craziness in WCW and the company's death spiral. Don't think that's been covered in detail. Would love to know if you think things could have been turned around by that point.
Best times!! Wish I could go back. Us fans that saw this live, Wooo you couldnt get no better than that!!
There's a timeline where Scott Hall was the main player of the nWo, Sting beats Hogan clean at Starrcade, and WCW won the Monday Might Wars.
Not likely. Hall wasn't the type to politic his way into being the top guy, Nash was but without Hogan they wouldn't have made such an impact. The AOL-Time Warner merger meant WCW was on an inevitable death clock no matter if they won the war or not. The executives wanted wrestling gone.
@@NitroNEXT then why it's confusion ?
I love your new series and I like how you’ve been able to tackle wrestling topics in a way that hasn’t been done on TH-cam.
NWO was perfect at first, but for me personally it got played out in early 97
Played out in early 97 ? They had just on a roll
Completely agree with all 6! Yet another great video!!!
Nwo Saturday night 🤪🤪
Its Sunday
They ran it into the ground. Crow Sting should have ended it at Starcade 1997 with Hogan, he was literally build as the Crow/Batman type hero just have him end the stable with a clean finish & move onto Bret Hart who was white hot coming in off the Screw Job. They could have had Bischoff continue to be the heel promoter who could feud with Sting, Hart, DDP and then eventually Goldberg. WWE didn’t start McMahon vs Austin till mid 1998, could have beaten them to the punch.
The amount of times WWE brought back DX only to fizzle out has got to be similar
That's different
@@lexkanyima2195 Yes, atleast DX goes away again once it's got stale, instead of hanging on well after its run it course.
@alexwinfield9540 there's so many members that are not loyal enough.
Nothing will ever touch WCW 96-99. Just the best.
Wrestling Bio’s is a absolute legend
Another tremendous video just like the rest of them
Wrestling Bio’s is my number 1 TH-cam channel now & the timing could not be better
You are providing nostalgia for people like me and also in crazy world these days this channel provides a much needed escape from the day to day headaches
I love you Wrestling Bio ❤️
Can I point it the fantastic in ring agility of everyone at around 8:47 when EG did a crossbody, and with in a milisecond the ring official leapt over all of them for the count???
Ya see that stuff??)
Only 6?
Awesome video keep them coming!
They were good for 6 months until everyman and his dog became a member
I liked how they kept adding more members to the NWO It was exciting each week not knowing who was going to join next. I use to watch on TNT on cable every Friday night to watch 2 hours of Nitro. I use to look forward to it every week.