Why Darvin Ham Was Fired & What Comes Next? Who Could Replace Him for the Los Angeles Lakers?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 พ.ค. 2024
- The inevitable just became reality. On Friday, the Los Angeles Lakers announced that Darvin Ham has been relieved of his duties as head coach of the Lakers. It's no surprise that Ham is out because all signs pointed in this direction, but it's actually pretty shocking that Ham, after doing such a good job building buy-in as a rookie coach with LeBron James, Anthony Davis, D'Angelo Russell, Austin Reaves, and Rui Hachimura, saw it all go to pot during his second year. Increasingly, Ham found his decisions being questioned by players, to say nothing of fans and, reportedly, the front office, and kept refusing to take public accountability for whatever struggles. You can't do that in a season that didn't live up to expectations, which explains in part why Ham is out.
Still, nobody can honestly say ALL of the problems were the coach. The roster isn't perfect, even if the oodles of supporting players who were injured stayed healthy. LeBron requires season-long maintenance. And there aren't many obvious choices to replace Ham. Lot of pressure on Rob Pelinka to get this right.
We shall see what comes next.
HOSTS: Andy and Brian Kamenetzky
SEGMENT 1: The Lakers fire Darvin Ham. How did it go so bad so quickly?
SEGMENT 2: More on why it went bad... but also why it wasn't all Darvin's fault.
SEGMENT 3: Who should replace Darvin? The choices aren't obvious.
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Who do you want the Lakers to hire as the next Head Coach?
Ty Lue or JJ are my preferences
Lue
I don't think Balmer lets Lue walk, so I'm gonna go with Kenny Atkinson.
Ty Lue gets my vote, even though the Clippers are probably going to sign him to an extension soon
Here’s my dark horse choice, Coach K, bring him out of retirement for Lebron’s 3 year extension. Lebron loves Coach K. The Lakers need to focus on squeezing as much juice out of this team over the next 3 years as possible and they need someone that Lebron respects. Swing big Baby! And let JJ be his lead assistant. When Lebron and Coach K retire, JJ can take over to lead the next phase of the Lakers with some sideline experience
Now it’s time to fire Pelinka and the Rambii
Rob is one of the worst GM in the league.
🙌 YES!!!!
And Jeanie buss needs to sell the team to somebody who knows basketball
@@pepsicolazero Or maybe let Joey or Jesse try running the basketball side, without the Rambi.
Yes! They are the core problem!
This was an excellent rundown of the Ham saga. Great piece of journalism and fun to listen to
I love the people saying they want a coach like Mike Malone, He would have been fired after his first 2 seasons as well with the Lakers. He went 33-49, 40-42 his first 2 seasons at Denver but was allowed to develop as a coach. Now I'm not saying they should have kept Pockets but hire someone you can still believe in when S*&t hits the fan. LBJ is not a max contract player anymore as well, he should be ideally the 3rd best player on a Championship quality team, still elite when he wants to be but during the regular season he roll at about 60% effort most of the time and his outsized contract leaves you money for only marginal players. My worry is the Names may change next season but the story will remain the same.
This is a great episode, shows how much detail-oriented Andy is and the experience he has watching basketball games. Everything is on point! Great job Andy, i'm loving this format where Bryan doesn't cut you off Lol
Bryan joined at the hip with Trevor
What are you talking about, Vanderbilt missed the entire season and that made a huge difference along with Gabe Vincent missing the entire season. Vincent wasn't ready to play in the playoffs. Ham was playing with a short deck. Two key players out all season. No real back up Center (that's on the front office). Ham is a scapegoat. When are the Lakers going to stick with a coach. Changing coaches every two years is not a formula for success. But, I guess Lebron and Jeanie are getting rich.
I agree, these ppl are ridiculous! They don’t hold these players accountable smh
Agreed 💯💯💯
We ain't ducking no fades.
The voracious fans got their sacrifice. Nothing but questions remain.
Bs that coach can have plenty of time to put his hands in his pockets and not call timeouts when he is home
Your goat always needs a Scapegoat. To divert attention from the fact that "the goat" cannot carry a team to the championship. Truth hurts.
Two things can be true. Darvin can both deserve to be fired while acknowledging that the pieces around lebron need to be better in order to be a real contender
The Lakers should be approaching roster building the same way the Timberwolves are. Management has screwed that up by staying small. You don't need to beat the Joker, just occupy him!!!!!
Lakers fans have been upset with Jeanie for years and it doesn't matter. She doesn't have enough money and keeps most of it.
Best breakdown I’ve heard today! So complete! Great job!
So it's his fault he went against the champs. Ham was not a bad coach this roaster was not a champ team
Thank you! AK
@@drehann5877Both points can be true. The Lakers are not a championship contender as constructed, but Ham lost the locker room with his incompetence and whatever achievements the Lakers achieved in past 2 seasons was inspite of him....
@@Murali_bala13 how them going to the finals last year u can say was not his doing is a team game the Lakers had three coaches changes and 3 roster changes in the last 5 years that's why it's no chemistry when u keep doing that
@@drehann5877the journey to the WCF last year was full of surprises....esp. The emergence of AR and LeBron deferring to him late game in crunch playoff games and Rui's brilliance are clearly not Ham's doing. If it were, Ham wouldn't ever be benching them...???
Firing Phil Handy is wrong..
Sad they let Phil Handy go...
How do you find sports podcast reviews?
Actual in season game Mis- Management was his biggest weakness, along with head scratching player substitution patterns.
I genuinely believe we would have had a shot vs Denver if we had a decent coach who was able to make in game adjustments and make logical substitutions
Let's blame the poor play on who else but the coach, let's not blame the real culprits, upper management. People like Rob Pelinka, Jenny Buss, and the awful management of the Laker Organization, No, let's fire the coach, having lived in So Cal most of my 74 years, the Lakers went from world beaters to just an ordinary team, kind of like the Clippers!!!!
AK summarizes it quite well...
The primary reason Ham got fired was making the cardinal sin of playing favouritism while deploying rotations... Without a modicum of rationale. ... Lost the locker room totally. The younger players weren't given opportunity to grow and contribute. Max Christie's lack of playing time was simply mind boggling.
Cearly his Xs and Os awareness and in game adjustments were piss poor. He lost LeBron and AD there....
And final nail in the coffin, was lack of accountability while communicating with team or media.....
I want a coach who knows exactly what he wants to do when something on the court changes and acts quickly enough to do it. Mike Malone sees something he doesn’t like and immediately calls a timeout to adjust and fix it while ham never seemed to know what he wanted to do. We need a coach with a clear plan that player will buy into and clear direction not someone who experiments with all wing lineups and can’t choose a path
22 hours and counting and the title still has not been fixed. This is reaching levels of absurdity. Why Fire Darvin Ham Was Fired. Wtf.
It's been changed. Appreciate you bringing it to my attention. AK
I don't think we're gonna find a 3rd star. Certainly not without getting fleeced. It'd be great if we drafted 3 high IQ rookies that contributed. As an LA transplant living in Orlando, I can confirm that there are smaller market teams that hate the Lakers for "buying" championships (especially if we took the 3rd star from their team), so I doubt we will get a fair deal for a bigger name. If we don't draft well, Rob will be on the block.
relieved to see ham gone...here's hopin the next coach will succeed
Kyrie Irving says he definitely considered reuniting with LeBron James last season, but he suggests asking the GMs why it didn’t work out “Everything was considered. He's a great friend of mine, a great brother of mine. We obviously played together [in Cleveland]. Everybody knows our history. But there were so many different factors in between. When it comes to business decisions, you have to ask the GMs, the presidents why certain things didn't work out.”
Thanks Rob Pelinka 🤡
1-2 great players will never beat a great TEAM. They need a major roster rebuild with this coach change, start over, hire people that share that championship and team mentality.
Not JJ Reddick. Can you say Steve Nash part 2?
It’s hard to be a first time head coach for a veteran team expecting championships. It’s rare when one is successful and that’s why we need a veteran coach to go with
Great podcast. Yall have done a great job all year. You touched on a big point towards the end: This team has organizational problems, and you can start at the very top with Jeannie Buss. This team defines the term 'dysfunctional' and she is the head of it all. This Laker fan doesn't think she has been any better than her brother Jim
Thank you. Much appreciated. AK
Hallelujah
It's about damn time....
About Hamm time
according to the team? or LECOACH
CHARLES BARKLEY SAID IT WAS NOT SCAM'S FAULT.. THE LAKERS JUST SUCK😢😢😢
@@dennisknowles9293 👑🏆🏆🏆🏆 ... now let's count Barkley's rings........................................................... I'll wait ..................................... still waiting.................. maybe let's count Laker chips while we wait:🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
@@dennisknowles9293 LBJ: 👑🏆🏆🏆🏆
Lakers: 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Barkley:
the next coach is supposed to be an upgrade over Ham. outside of Ty Lue, i just can't see this yet to be named individual. Lue is about to get extended with Ballmer Bucks. if both LeBron and Anthony Davis miss multiple weeks next season, does the next coach even get the team to the play in?
24k fellas...LFG!!!😎
No one eants to blame the real Culprits!! Pelika/ Jeanie looking tor 8th coach in last 14 years...the Diva has worn out his welcome with unrealistic denands and chronic mediocrity...Carve out 2020 and youve got....10th place, 7th,
11th, 7th, 7th.
Lakers are 123-123 the last 3 seasons. Jeanie needs to get a "Jerry West type" of experienced executive in the front office. I dont see Pelinka ever winning Executive Of The Year award. Pelinka is just a glorified player agent
Hiring Darvin was like hiring a kid straight from college to be the CEO of Apple Inc.
HOPE THEY DONT HIRE A ROOKIE COACH LIKE REDDICK IF THEY WANT THE SAME RESULT.
If there is doubt in hiring Budenholzer considering he was mentor to Ham and is slow in making changes through playoffs, I hope FO doesn't do it with 50-50 mindset.
David adelman, Sam Cassell look the best options if Ty Lue isn't available and still wants to continue coaching the clippers. Not sure about Charles Lee and other names floating around.
COACHING IS NOT THE PROBLEM WITH THE LAKERS. PlAYER PERSONNEL IS A HUGE PROBLEM. NEWS FLASH IN TODAYS NBA YOU NEED TO HAVE MINIMUM 3 HALL OF FAMERS BUT 4 BETTER. JUST FOLLOW THE SHOWTIME LAKER PLAYBOOK.
Very true rambis pelinka & Phil jackson n loyalty to kobe
Now that Ty Lue wants to stay as a Clippers coach.. I think Hiring again Phil Handy deserve to be lakers head coach and also getting rajon rondo as assistant coach will be great for the lakers..
Rondo gonna end up in jail. Good luck with that,
Why fire darvin ham was fired. Come on guys. You're better than that.
Knicks made the second round without Randle for a good portion of the season. The fact is that no team is ever completely healthy over the course of the season, and any coach could use Ham's statement when they failed to meet the expectation.
Jay Wright is the best coach "available." He has the gravitas to coach LeBron and AD, while identifying with the younger players. Talk to his former players. Make him an offer he can't refuse to come to LA.
To be honest.. it doesnt really matter who the coach is as long as the lakers continue to play a system based around a 40 year old.
Ham wasnt perfect but he wasnt a “bad” coach. Took them to the wcf, got that IST banner (which they all loved celebrating) and gave denver a tough series.
@@Equint77 Here's a really good analysis of Darvin's strengths and weaknesses, and the reasons why moving on from him now is the right decision. th-cam.com/video/XN83TQL7uCs/w-d-xo.html This is the Lakers. While they got to the WCF 2 years ago, Darvin squandered the key ingredient for improvement that Pelinka gave him -- continuity. He installed a new offense virtually on the fly and then made some critical mistakes with rotations that appeared to be coming from his favoritism of certain role players that was not warranted. But, the final straw was he got sideways with AD and threw the players under the bus. No Lakers coach has the runway to make those mistakes. Just my opinion.
Missed oppertunity to title this podcast "Canned Ham"
Pleass no more 1st time coaches or Buddenholzer (ham 1a).
How’s next
Rondo is the guy
Rondo gonna catch a case. Good luck.
"Dismissed" not fired 🤣🤭
He would have still been employed if he kept his “hands” out of his pockets!!
Fired 2 years late
Maybe a mistake
I think darvin cost us a top six spot, from there you might get a good run in the early rounds of playoffs, I still think we beat most other teams in west
You'd have been gentlemen swept by OKC or swept by Minnesota
Hit the road Ham😆🤣
They need mark Jackson
SINCE THE 100% SURE THING MARK JACKSON (black-balled?)____THE NEXT BEST
100% SURE THING IS DAWN STALEY (who is tyronn lue only better)
THE 100% SURE THING THE OTHER WAY IS JJ REDICK WHO WOULD BE FIRED IN
TWO YEARS LIKE HAM (thats why redick is the man, the choice)
Haha I want Mark Jackson too!!! PG from the post, so similar to LBJ - the sets would be crazy!!! Especially if Rondo was an assistant on the staff... my hope is Ty Lue, JJ couldn't be worse than Ham. Glad at least SOMEONE sees Jackson as an ideal hire! 💯💯💯
kinda like that rondo pick....the only "danger" is he is a stink'in genius and
may "over-step" his influence beyond "assistant"____rondo maybe better off
as a "head coach" for that reason.
Budenholzer is a student of Pop Ham just sucks should be a asst or associate coach
The NBA Countdown crew nailed it. The lack of accountability by the front office, and the two star players, is why the Lakers have been so inconsistent in the LeBron era. The next coach, needs to be allowed to establish their own culture, and get the right guys in there.
Not gonna happen until Buss fires Pelinka in favor of an established GM.
@N_Ides Yeah I agree. Pelinka getting to potentially hire his THIRD head coach, is ridiculous. If she's not gonna fire Pelinka, at the very least, Jeanie has to be more hands on about who gets hired, why they got hired, and for how long.
@@Dre-xc2no And sans the Rambi who together are like Rasputin.
His biggest mistake… I honestly don’t know. Players talk when they are not winning… so I guess losing was his biggest mistake. I would only see either Ty lue if available and maybe an assistant from Miami being an upgrade or maybe even an assistant from Denver caz at least that way you know what Malone likes to run. But what do I know. Good luck lakers
WHY FIRE DARVIN HAM WAS FIRED!!!!!
They will hire JJ because LBJ can tell him who to play and what plays to run.
Pelinka needs to go.
Pelinka aint it.
Must be Ty Lue. sadly he might be extended
Why would he even put himself in consideration after the way they disrespected him previously?
Let’s hope tonight Luka and Ky slap the clips out of existence
Biggest mistake
LAKERS NEED TO CHANGE THEIR MEDICAL STAFFS TOO. THIS SEASON GOT DERAILED BECAUSE KEY CONTRIBUTORS GOT INJURED MULTIPLE TIMES. PLUS I WANT THEM TO HIRE LIONELL HOLLINS AS HEAD COACH HE IS THE ONE CREATED THE GRIT AND GRIND IDENTITY OF GRIZZLIES WITH MARC GASOL AND RANDOLPH
Why don't Lakers replace Rob with Bob Myers?
Bob Myers was horrible without J.West
Way to many commercials
The refs tried to save his job by giving the Lakers all those free throws, but they just couldn't knock them down
Fired, or time off with pay?
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The LA Sacrifice has been performed yet again for one LeFraud James.
I would release China boy and draft Bronie, bench him three years on rookie deal and release him.
Lakers had multiple opportunities to win it at the last seconds but......
1. Often lebron where nowhere to be found during 4th quarter. He attempted 2 shos in 4th at game 2. And missed a wide open 3 to win in one of the games
2. Reeves had a wide open look on 3 and missed.
3. AD was not inposing enough on 4th quarter.
...and the coaching staff are being fired because of the above? BS! Lakers should let go of GM Lebron first of all
SELL THE TEAM JEANIE TO SOMEONE WITH A COMPETENT CHAMPIONSHIP DREAM/ OUR FRONT OFFICE IS A MODEL OF INEPTITUDE 🤨
How is he “listening to the noise” when he is being asked questions about his coaching decisions lmao . What gets me is nobody has yet shown what coaching decisions he failed that would have won the Lakers more games or get further in the playoffs. That roster just ain’t better than the Nuggets lol. He had guys underperforming in clutch moments or throughout games, guys not running back on turnovers or in transition, guys not healthy, guys turning the ball over in clutch moments and players with weak mindsets when they blame refs but not themselves for blowing a 20 Pt lead in the playoffs. Just saying we going into 8 years with about to be now 4 head coaches, when are we gonna say maybe it’s about the two players who you have built the team around that seems like it’s just not working bc they are the only common denominators.
There's a lot here, so I'll try to address as much as possible. Ham was clearly listening to the noise because, in the quote I mentioned, he expressed annoyance at his rotations being questioned. That's too specific (and accurate) for a random coincidence. Combined with the "starter (bleeping) the bed" comment later, it comes off as extremely defensive. It's a bad look for Darvin after a season where he's rarely, if ever, also said "I need to be better, too."
I don't disagree that Darvin wasn't "the reason" the Lakers didn't beat Denver, which is why I never said so. I do think Darvin could have been better (as could, as you rightly note, the players), and that some decisions were costly, but in the end, Denver won because they're the better team. IMO, losing to Denver shouldn't be the reason Darvin got fired. But as I explained, I don't think it's so much about the playoff exit as a culmination of events leading up to it, which I laid out.
You are correct that the Lakers have become a revolving door at coach, and it's a problem. It reflects quite badly on the front office, who damn well should be on big-time notice, too. But that doesn't change the fact that the relationship between Darvin and the players has grown untenable. If you wanna make the argument that Pelinka should be fired, have at it. I've long said Jeanie could do better. But a coaching change is still necessary. Both things can be true at once.
And finally, you may be correct about the LeBron/AD window being shut, but as we've discussed in previous shows, unless you're gonna truly blow up the roster and rebuild from the ground up (a path this organization, for better or worse, is never inclined to take), then you're pot-committed to that duo at this point. There's really no viable "option C."
Appreciate you watching.
AK
LBJ AND AD ARE COACH KILLERS
HAMM NEVER MISS A SHOT, LAYUP, FREE THROW, DEFENSE ASSIGNMENT,
GREAT PLAYERS PLAY THROUGH ANYTHING
NExt is JEANIE BUS
Lebron for coach!
Emergency😂
If Ty Lue isn't available, what about Sam Cassell, Becky Hammon or Fizdale? Please no Budenhozer.
Why would they want Ty Lue
I know you’re probably not going to read this, but There’s blatant hypocrisy from lakers fans regarding Darvin Ham and his “refundable to except responsibility” vs players refusing to accept accountability as well.
Did we not all watch the lakers after their final loss to the nuggets blame their failed season on injuries? Besides Austin Reaves, which lakers said that they weren’t good enough or they could’ve been better?
So when Lebron and the rest of the player blame injuries, we ignore it, yet we call for Ham to be fired immediately for doing the same thing.
This is why I hope Lebron gets to pick the coach and roster next year. That way, there’s no excuse for him when the lakers lose in the first round again.
But of course, his team and/or Klutch sports is going to leak to the media that the coach has lost the locker room and the delusional lakers fans will once again blame the coach. Then, we will be looking at 8 coaches fired In 14 years this time next year.
Head Coach: Mark Jackson, assistance coach Jj Redick, back up center: Dwight Howard
You: Delusional
Lakers are finished. No coach will come in and do better than Darvin. It’s crazy JJ Reddick name is in the air. What a joke😂
Lakers should've given Ham one more year. Unfortunately, the Lakers got the worst possible draw playing the defending champs in the first round...but what if they had gotten OKC instead? They probably would've won that series and he would've likely kept his job. Yeah, he made a few boneheaded coaching decisions vs Nuggs, but is it Ham's fault that neither Rui or DLo even bothered showing up vs. Denver?? Look, Mike Malone was awful his first few years and many in Denver wanted him gone after 2019 season. But their ownership stayed patient, believed he'd eventually turn things around and stuck with him... The Lakers need to stop letting LeBron run coaches out of town. He's had five coaches in his last ten years... what does that tell you?? Lebron is the GOAT alright...the GOAT at quickly getting coaches fired.
I am sick and tired of talking about SHam. He's gone and good riddance. Now who's going to assume the responsibility for this failed hiring and be entrusted to hiring a proper replacement coach and to fix the problems within this roster?
( if LeBron is ya goat who ever couches him will be the escapegoat)
Darvin is obviously a deeply insecure person who felt inadequate coaching LeBron, whom is a basketball savant.
Yikes
JJ is delusional
Mark J as HC Van as Lead assistant coach Rondo as a assistant coach JJ as a assistant coach Arenas as a assistant coach Kg as a assistant coach Phil handy as development coach lethal shooter as a shooting coach would be the perfect balance of a coaching staff you got everything you need in that staff
He's just not and good coach.
So your one of Leexcuse's goons. Get him out so they can play basketball
Ohoh! One member of the 3 stooges was fired. Pelinka and Jeanie are the other 2.
It doesn't really matter who the Head Coach of the Lakers hire, as long as LeBron is still with the team. Lakers will just hire another flunkie that James can control and manipulate. This is getting so old. Send the Diva back to South Beach, please
I know this is basketball but in football Bill Belicheck had a lot of "under studies " who were terrible head coaches , I would still hire Belicheck though lol , I know Bud isn't Bill but just because Ham was his understudy doesn't mean Bud is a crappy coach , he's got three 60+ win seasons , 3 times #1 seed in the east , ring in 2021 , he's a proven guy
The coach doesn't play so it's the players
And the coach put the players in the best position and schemes....just ask erik spo in miami
Oh, so why do we have head coaches? Let's only have players coaching each other, since you say it's only the players' fault
The Lakers' biggest problem is Rob Pelinka. He is totally clueless as GM. He took a championship team and made them a play in team at best. Even Magic tried to advise Jeannie about it.
I hope LeBron leaves so fans can't blame him for the organization's dysfunction.
Jeanie may not have technically been in charge when Walton was hired, but she allegedly thought Walton was a genius and was very resistant to firing him.
The organization completely disrespected Frank Vogel and lost a chance to interview Quin Synder as a result. The Lakers still disrespect AD by ignoring his repeated requests to not play center full-time because Jeanie wants to market a high scoring 5-out team over one that can win on defense.
Plus, we all know why Pelinka survives; he's a puppet who does as he'stold and shields Jeanie from accountability. Jeanie and her friends make personnel decisions for the Lakers. Rob simply negotiates the deals. Pelinka has no autonomy. In fact, Kurt and Linda Rambis wield more power within the Lakers organization than does the team's so-called executive. When reporters tried calling this out a couple of years ago, Jeanie weaponized being a woman and made it seem as if gender-bias was the reason anyone questioned how she runs the team.
Deep!
Dawn Staley would be monumental if we can’t get Lue