Under The Influence: New York Hardcore
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- In the first episode of our series Under the Influence, we go from the streets of the Lower East Side all the way to South Korea to examine one of the most distinctive genres to sprout from the concrete of New York City: hardcore. Along the way, we’ll meet with everyone from tattoo shop owners to chefs to government workers-all of whom have been inspired by the teachings at musical meccas like CBGB’s and A7 and found ways to apply the lessons learned from the scene to their own lives. Join us-as well as members of Agnostic Front, Title Fight, Youth of Today, Incendiary, and more-as we explore a world living under the influence of New York Hardcore.
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You've got subtitles on a Korean dude speaking basically perfect English and none on Tim Armstrong sounding like the greased up deaf guy.
brokenrobotics i was gonna say the exact same thing
Alex rivas Haha, I just put this on my facebook wall with the same sentiment.
***** dialect*
brokenrobotics HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
***** No, it's not. I've never heard anyone else in Oakland talk like that, and it's certainly not a "regional" thing. Tim just developed it on his own.
"Even if I'm wearing a suit, I'm still a hardcore kid." So true. I'm a doctor now and still a hardcore kid and not afraid to admit it.
God damn I can relate. " what did you do last night".... I have only just gotten comfortable with saying I went to a hardcore or Metal show, but I cant explain it to most. THey dont get it. I still explain my ACL and meniscus tear I had surgery for was from " rough housing and soccer"
HeavyProfessor you are a point of light-you, whoever you inhabit today! You can pick and choose! If you’ve been in a squat or on the street you ought to explore other lives I think.
Anthony Conrad I think a lot of straight people are interested, and will listen, but I grew up in Ny and moved to the suburbs up north and you just can’t convey it all so they get the picture but not the symphony you know.
Ya u are bitch. thats why ur admittin it in a comment section
Josh Austin fuck off you scumbag.
I was born & grew up HIP HOP
And we in the hip hop culture share the same spirit within HARDCORE in the streets of new york ......thats why hardcore rap was born since RUN DMC starting off by sampling rock music 💯💯
IM PROUD TO BE HARDCORE 💪💥
Facts LES Crew 4 Life
Beastie boys were a punk band too
One Love
I grew up in flint Michigan, it was a mix of hardcore and hip hop for me. The result king 810.
Absolutely, the same creative spark that gave rise to HipHop in the Bronx in 1977, also kicked off the punk scene. Both organically started out as independent street art. Once the corporations came in (Hammer, Vanilla Ice / Green Day Offspring) they both lost their innocence, but the underground is still intact.
When John says “all punks ever did was complain. They’d say fuck the motha fucka! No solutions. Hardcore is about finding the Solutions to those problems.” Get me tearing up, everytime. That statement hits home so hard.
Until he blocks you on Instagram because you say that vaccines aren't bad, or something else that rattles his fragile sensibilties.
I'm literally talking about a different time- 2000-2008. I'm not talking about todays hc scenes. sure, it always has been an issue through out the years. Yes, I do say a lot worse now, but not so much back then, then to those who actually made that obvious that a singer/guitarist ect. were making those wrong decisions. @@davidduke9763
"It's not corny to try and dig in to your mind and your soul, and find out what the fuck we're doing in this material world." Haha deeeeep as fuck!
These hardcore guys seem like good people.
We are
keep in mind hardcore peaked about thirty years ago
+Pramu Dananjaya Back in the day nyhc wasn't so nice. hahaha they would beat you in the street because they had to preserve what was theirs, specifically on the LES. Bad Brains was an entity on their own. They really practiced PMA.
***** :)
+Pramu Dananjaya there's no these, there are individuals
I’m glad they showed title fight one of the best new hardcore bands
me too. I love where heavy music has gone in the past 10 years.
Under the Infwuence, with Tim Awmstwong fwom Wancid
4:12 “punk rock all they ever did was complain about shit, Hardcore was about finding solutions to those problems” the truth.
Gwen Indigo except, hardcore IS secondwave punk rock. The "solution" was just in the difference between the 70's, and 80's...;)
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I love Vinnie's attitude. " I can do that, I can do it better, louder...."
Funny because I've thought that haha. Now I'm initializing it. 😎
Crazy how I can feel energy through my computer, all these decades later. I'm nearing 40 and a family man....now I gotta go out to the garage and "build something"
i wish i grew up in a cool place with good friends have all this culture to grow up with
culture hah. when I was a teen, l seen a thirty of these assholes beat on one drunk guy at a straight edge show. they're animals.
+Jeff Madrigal Well that probably means your local scene was full of assholes.
+Tobakilacion
hahaha vi sitter i exakt samma sits..
+myearshurt Noone if it doesn't exist, start it, it doesn't take much but a basement, and some gear, and drive to express yourself
+Tobakilacion you can do it without sharing the same interests, just find some commonalities, i find that differences make it all the more interesting if you're open to new ideas.
So happy and impressed to see Vice include Title Fight in this video. Spotlighting niche genres is awesome and meaningful documentation and work, and 100% Title Fight is inspired by hardcore, but as hinted on this video Title Fight bends genres; Shoegaze, Hardcore, Punk, Emo, Hard Indie. Either way, Title Fight is one of my favorite bands of all time, and I am grateful to see them included in this video. More so, I'd be grateful to get to see them LIVE someday! Please tour Title Fight!! (of course, only on your own conditions and desires)
I miss Title Fight touring/being active so much. If I recall correctly, they haven't done any major touring or shows since like 2016, so like barely post-Hyperview.
I like Vinny's attitude at the end "Get up here you can do it, probably do it better than me!"
Trash talk reminds me of Jay and silent Bob 100%! hahaha
Eric St-germain definetly
God I miss Title Fight.
Please come back..
Wow. That was surprisingly awesome. Regardless of where I am in life or where hardcore is now/is going, I'll always be glad that I came up in the hardcore scene.
Ayyyy love DEHH and your channel
Myke C-Town Same
Myke C-Town Hey Myke, love your channel, was just wondering when you're gonna upload a new Vinyl Update video. Those are my favorite cause I learn about a bunch of new stuff I've never heard of. Hope all is well, take care man.
gm mele Hopefully within the next week. I was out of town for a while and then just busy with a ton of other shit. But I have one cooking.
amen bro same here
I got teary eyes at the end of the video. Absolutley beautiful. This is why I love hardcore. I'm so glad they included Title Fight.
Those Korean bands were cool as shit. Definitely gonna dig into them.
ask them where do they get money for living. all of them living with parents and didn't struggle for nothing. all is served !
@@dmitrystrelianny2486 that's hardcore in a nutshell.
No one in the hood starts a hardcore band. It's all suburban kids.
Vfw halls and garages and basement shows.
Varsity jackets?!
Get real. It's always been middle/upper class kid music.
Poor kids listen to street/crust punk or hip hop.
Hardcore is vital for people who understand that living well isn't all it's cracked up to be. Ask rollins who played at being homeless.
2:55 Pain of Truth sampled this for one of their new tracks You & Me awesome sample i recognized it right away since i used to watch this documentary all the time
FIRST SONG!
Agnostic Front - Victim In Pain (album) 1984
Song
Agnostic Front - Power
This was great! Almost made me cry. I guess I'll always be a "hardcore kid" at heart...you grow, sometimes stop listening to hardcore music, going to shows; but that "hardcore" state of mind just lives on.
Jorge Luis Hernandez. Agreed
When you listen to those old albums after a bit it's quite a trip down memory lane...
The artist that does those paintings of the crowds is awesome. Really crazy talented
if im ever in a creative funk / need a boost to get the creative juices flowing / to just be inspired to create art I always watch this and it never fails to get that creative fire burning bright. PMA!!!
This proves that Hardcore is a way of life and is a culture. Very cool to see props given to bad brains from DC that truly started the movement. Vinnie Stigma is the man and TRUE New Yorker. Agnostic front could be the best NYHC band of all time. Still doing their thing hard! NY is the birthplace of so many musical movements and I'm proud to be a part of both. NY and the NYHC scene. Glad to see this video get so many views and expand the Hardcore culture! PMA!
EVERYDAY RC L.A. invented Hardcore though.
nah fam. Madball is the best NYHC band
HipHopR&BLover Jon THE GERMS!
EVERYDAY RC you mean fartcore
ABSOLUTELY....ny is the blue print...HARDCORE is our culture\lifestyle....
In the first episode of Under the Influence, join members of Agnostic Front, Title Fight, Youth of Today, Incendiary, and more to find out how hardcore changed their lives.
Noisey Fucking GREAT SHOW!!!!! Tim Armstrong Narrating is Awesome too!!!
Noisey Nice production value and engaging narrator. Didn't know this was part of VICE
Noisey that was one of the best docs ive seen from you guys yet, you couldve focused on the brutality but instead youve shown the beauty of it. pma everyday.
Noisey I went into this video with high anticipation because I was part of this scene since the 80's... BUT:
How can LEEWAY not be in this or even mentioned?
or how about the fanzines (such as InEffect Hardcore) be left out?
other than that, this was good but decided not to rate it
JiHottist What you didn't smell the waft of pretentiousness in this video?
There is a trick on punk scene, it helps to wake you up but then pushes you back to the confined scene were you become very controllable again..
+imtv u just repeated the minor threat song "it follows"
Jello Biafra was wise to this. Listen to 'Chickenshit Conformist'.
Hardcore is the sound track of my childhood. Listening to these bands and going to their shows "back in the day" was a blast.
I've been listening all those bands sinse I was a teenager then it's really cool and inspiraing to whatch a video like this,Punk Rock Hard core just changed my life forever, I just live in São Paulo city, Brazil It's hell of town It's a big place, crownded, violent and busy as well then It's really like New York from 70's 80's then hard core scene here It's really similar with New York scene I guess so every year we just have all those bands wich really influenced a whole generation in South America as well so thank you guys .
SPHC Represent
Sampa representa!
I was a skinhead, then I become a xstright edgex, ate alot of book to get PMA (positive mental attitude) learn many religions, history and philosophy, Im born as muslim, but never know what islam is, untill I learn quran with the meaning. Finally i found the right path. This docu. Remembering me with my oldskool days.
Danny Ruzain WhAts the right path LOL
Tim Armstrong has an accent of his own
Ryan Terwilliger I think it’s called drunken, meth head with a fat lip. Lol,lol,lol...
Caused from a speech impediment and dyslexia
I'm so glad to say that this was a part of my childhood, and still is a part of my life. Thank You NYHC
Love it. Awesome pictures, fucking great archives and lots and tons of info.
Z Dupy z dupyy, moze zaznajomisz polskiego gimba z hardkorem, strasznych gowien dzis mlodziez slucha hehe #kałen
Title fight i ten typ, jestem ciekaw czy zna jakąkolwiek kapele z umierającej sceny melodic/hc w Polsce
kmecu z dupy to smierdziel metalkorowiec - jebac!
@@niejestlatwo brakuje mi title fight w moim życiu
Really good video. I would love to see Noisey do something like this for Washington and the Grunge scene.
Jacob Starr
Yes, that would be Awsome
AMEN TO THAT!!! Grunge makes me think of home. Sweet home Tacoma.
Hell yeah
but pearl jam sucksss mannn
Fuck yeah dude
Please make more of these. It will never be enough. This was f'in awesome.
Tim Armstrong sounds like he’s talking with his mouth full of peanut butter
Ever lasting gob stopper
Very cool! Thanks for the shout out at the end! New York hardcore has influence all over the world. Everywhere we'd go people would ask all sorts of NYHC related questions. We played a show with The Geeks in Korea. There was a lot more then 50 kids. was about 15 years ago, they were really young. It was a great time. Also the kid in Diehard Youth used to book us in Bakersfield, CA. If nothing else hardcore got me around the world!
I wouldn't say I had an outer body experience at shows, more like a heightened sense of awareness.
To avoid getting punched in the face innit
I keep coming back to this video every so often. I just love it, all the bands, all the stories. I've been fortunate to see many of the featured bands despite growing up in the rural Midwest and only getting into hardcore in the early 2000s. I love the music, but even more, I love the comraderie, the community. If you spend enough time, it really does become like a family, but even if you don't, you carry those memories with you. It's beautiful, and even at 42, I can't get enough. ❤
14:45. Word up to the kid wearing the Bane hoodie. Massachusetts Hardcore!! Miss those guys, always put on a solid show.
so much truth spoken at 3:30 that's all that needs to be said
i got so much love for punk and its origins. if you're punk, you're family
This documentary was beautiful, I wish it was longer. Please keep doing docs about punk/hardcore/metal!!!
roger bringing Freddie up is what true hardcore is about: Brotherhood, uplifting your peers, if you're strong, share that strength with those you love and those who go through what you go through. If you bully, you're weak, you gotta uplift and uphold support the new generation, even if you gotta put them on your fucking shoulders!
Thank you for posting this! Just my two cents: came from the middle class suburbs, now graduating from med school so I never looked like or will ever look like "a hardcore kid" but I can't imagine my life throughout highschool and until now without it. Doesn't matter how many patients i see, how many surgeries I do, or how lame/boring I look on the outside doing it, you bet i'm gonna be on that stage till i die, blasting hardcore from the operating room. Thanks again for the vid!
+insanez703 ladies and gentlemen, here is the perfect example of just being yourself, as opposed to trying too hard to be something you're not. It'll never catch on with the cool kids in the cool club on the other side of town. Their loss. Bravo, OP.
Man I really enjoyed that, bought back some memories!
I can't find words to describe how great it is. I felt truely alive for those 26 minutes.
this doc restored my hope for Hardcore and brought me back
"Victim in Pain" . The single greatest hardcore punk album EVER.
Title fight is everything to me. Its awesome how much YOT and GB inspired them. Awesome documentary!
that documetary was one of the most uplifting things i've ever seen. Listen to Stigma and the guys from Trash Talk talking about their roots is just great.
Good to see hardcore is not dead. Soon I'll take my band to all these places.
The 90’s hardcore scene in Mass, Connecticut, New York & Jersey was dope AF…shows constantly week to week state to state. So many great bands & good times. Sweaty packed crowds for 25 Ta Life.
Providence, RI
I was in Fury of Five at the time and I got to play with a ton of awesome bands. We played the Agnostic Front reunion show at the Wetlands. All the NYHC guys are great guys and super talented at what they do
Supporting a Bill DeBlasio rally is basically as un-hardcore as it gets.
It was kind of a estranged idea to put that on - buy I feel what they are trying to convey is the angle of the story. Hardcore led a member of Indecision to belive and stand up for what he believes in in a complete 180 degree turn
will walker MAYBE BECAUSE THEY ARE A CIA PSYCH OP. BTW i was there!!!!$$
@Oompa Loompa this is blatantly false.
@@grantprice4456 it is true, that lady is garbage.
@@juliosifuentes6499 no it's not. I've read about her history and she isnt anti-semitic or ISIS lover thats ludicrous
It's amazing how something (music / scene) created literally 20 years ago in another country could influence an entire NEW generation on the other side of the planet. Great segment guys!
This was fascinating. I never knew hardcore punk could be so influential and motivational, especially for young people and how we relate to it. It’s like a release from all of this societal pressure to conform, it’s refreshing, freeing. It teaches you to be yourself and do what you want to. I personally like hardcore because of my love of thrash metal - that’s why I love bands like Leeway, who combine thrash with hardcore: it’s a sub genre called crossover thrash
thank you for making this - and thank you to all the bands who changed my life growing up - all the times sick of it all, madball, and h2o played our shitty little clubs.. it is appreciated
NOTHING IS HARDER THAN NEW YORK HARDCORE
Hardcore is REAL !
EXACTLY...same theory within hip hop....where it was born...
Especially within HARDCORE rap ....🔥🔥🔥
Connecticut Hardcore and Boston right up there.
Honestly; when I first watched this video when I was younger, I loved hardcore and I thought I understood it.
But then when the videos credits played
I was like wow; now... now i am truly informed about this being passion and not only aggression
i loved growing up with my brother in the hardcore scene, it kept us together and off the streets
This documentary makes me feel proud about being a hardcore guy.
Title fight is just a dang good band...
+Tobakilacion they're fucking awesome
Def not hardcore but I love em
They're Post HC for sure. I'd say I'd still count that as HC
@@RussianBot69420 Well, the members of Title Fight did have a hardcore project called Bad Seeds. And it was dope af
Forever live Hardcore!!! Keep it up kids, were passing the torch to you!!!!!!!!!
I love the independent aspect of punk rock, the 7” records, shows with no backstage, the creativity in the jackets, fan zines, & flyers…..kids just having fun!
this makes me so fucking happy.
That was great to watch. Just like Justin Brannan said, no matter what I do or where I am I always feel like a hardcore kid in my heart.
I always find it crazy when I see Lee in a video like this after growing up in the Sacramento scene with him, it makes proud to be from Sacto.Keep up the good work brotha and keep the hardcore spirit going.
I grew up in the pit in DIY venues. All different kind of heavy music. This brought back so many memories.
Cool doc but need to do one on the 90's NYHC scene. Of course Madball & Agnostic front was still the shit. I am talking about all the bands I played with & grew up with. All out war, Sworn Enemy, Irate, Billy club sandwich, blood for blood which I know are from Boston. Vision of disorder, Earth crisis, Everyone gets hurt, Candiria 100 demons etc. Such a great & forgotten time in music. So much influence on today's heavy music. NYHC 4 life.
yeah man, those are the bands I grew up with.
No H2O? or are they thought of as sell outs now..
No bulldoze? WHHHAATT pfftttt
Reagan Youth is my favorite band! But I pretty much love all bands mentioned!
+Chrisdougable Amen
Poison Idea is my favorite band. I loved this doc too
hardcorr motivated me into being the person i am... it motivated me to do things i never thought was possible.... powerful
One of my favorite vids of all time! I watch this often still haja
For those that don't know (since it wasn't mentioned in the video), Justin Brannan (the city council guy towards the end) was in the bands Indecision, Most Precious Blood, and Caninus. I highly recommend checking out Most Precious Blood's albums "Merciless," "Our Lady Of Annihilation," and "Nothing In Vain."
Like these videos. You guys should do one for the Chicago Wax Trax scene.
So simple but so genius giving a credits list to all the bands mentioned in the video. So useful
Love what the dudes from Trash Talk said. Listen to bands you like, see who they thank in their liner notes, check out those bands, continue, continue. Great way to learn about new bands.
I saw it all happen in the 80s. I remember seeing Agnostic Front in the late 80s in Trenton NJ. Most violent show I have ever seen. I saw one of the first skinhead walls. It was extremely violent. City Gardens Forever!
Whats a skinhead “wall”?
You were at City Gardens, weren't you... nvm I didn't read that far
"I didn't go to college, I went to South Korea ya know what I mean?"
instead of college? why the fuck not. if you dont wanna be taught, TEACH!!
No I know of course! But I just thought it was an awesome quote from Lee.
Dan Kiaresh its actually hilarious, random kinda, lmao why south korea outta everywhere he coulda went, i can imagine way better places
***** South Korea was a cool choice precisely because it is unexpected. I actually live there (and have been to shows at that venue). Punk has really only been a thing in South Korea for maybe 20 years. The Geeks have a big NYHC influence. So it shows that the NYHC sound has reached some seemingly random places. South Korean punks are an interesting bunch, especially when you consider how much more of a stigma it carries in such a conservative and collectivist culture.
ahahaha!! yeah that dude is a joke
Tim's voice is perfect for narration !
This was awesome. I am and always have been more of a metalhead, but was kind of originally exposed to some hardcore through being a big metalcore fan, as well as a friend of mine who is a hardcore fan. I've always enjoyed it as well (just haven't delved into it as much) and always had respect for aspects like straightedge, spirituality and positivity, and vegetarianism/veganism. Great job on the documentary
17:47 was the realest thing ever lol "I didn't go to college i went to south korea"
this was amazing!!!!!
This is sick, a side series of noisey just talking about NY hardcore I think would be a mega hit
Lucky to be a New Yorker during this era. Great to see this cause it’s still apart of me
You know, I would like to see a documentary about punk and hardcore about the kids who DIDN'T MAKE IT. Because there were far more who probably died of drugs, violence, or just didn't do much after they got older. Or just got typical jobs and started families. That would be an interesting topic. Yes, yes, we know it was cool to grow u in New York, Los Angeles, or London or whatever every documentary covers and all the bands who got really big, rich, and successful and started hipster restaurants for rich yuppies and all...but what about the others? A lot were extremely violent people, no good, hellraisers, and other low lifes, or just got bored and grew up. The majority were not vegan or "spiritual".
I would also love to se a documentary about punk or hardcore in various cities that are not famous. Just towns or what was happening in other parts.
+MaharlikaAWA good ideas, champ...time to get yourself a video camera and get to it!!
MrMmnngghh I wish I could.
Haha, 'hipster restaurants'. I thought that was funny. But, yeah. Your idea would be interesting. We just need to find someone to do it!!
Maybe watch the 2008 documentary 'Anvil! The Story of Anvil', though Anvil is a Canadian heavy metal band.
Sometimes it's better to burn out than it is to rust.
"Narrated by Tim Armstrong"
Fuck... Gonna have to listen carefully.
This was probably one of the most spot on videos about hardcore i ever seent
I came up listening to the music and going to shows all over New York and the tri state area supporting my friends bands.
West Hempstead represent!
"I didn't go to collage, I went to South Korea"
Mood.
I can tell
Pleease dammit make something on Emo, and I mean the music, emocore then midwest up to the underground revival, it's such a diverse genre man; too much people have misconceptions of what really is Emo and I think some form of documentation would go a long way to not just show that but shed light where light has not shone for ages, so much underrated acts inspiring dozens of kids like me... Emo has a story thats so far reaching and at the same so mesmerizing and bittersweet
madinsomaniac no one like that shit.
La Comilona Food Trailer Alta Cocina Callejera I think that you don't know what actual emo is, you would probably think differently if you did. My chemical romance and stuff like that isn't emo. Bands like American football are emo. Look it up.
''american football is emo'' - It's indie rock, all these twinkle ass shit bands are not even hardcore punk. watch evolution of emo (1985 - 2016) by sv3rige to actually see emo progression without all these random midwest emo shit terms
If you want a good emo band look up Merchant Ships or Midwest Pen Pals
madinsomaniac wow theres alot of fucking psychopaths! Fuck ups!
i watch this like once a month, my soul needs it
So glad I found this makes feel like I’m apart of something better than the life I lived before
j\'adore 💥🔥👍
Choosing Tim Armstrong to narrate a documentary about hardcore punk is like choosing Dylan to narrate one about folk: great artist, but you can't understand a fucking word he's saying.
NerdsOuttaControl I understand him just fine
NerdsOuttaControl I don't even speak english natively but I pretty much understood everything man.
NerdsOuttaControl He actually kinda sounds like Dylan in his normal voice lol.
I understand Tim just fine. It is a different accent but I understand him well.
Couldn't have said it any better. Love Tim, but to have him narrate a documentary? Come on...
It's nice when people speak with certainty; instead of every statement or sentence sounding like a question.
Really enjoyed this. I'm glad they mentioned Nausea after the credits at least, that was the opposite of the whole "youth crew" thing that was mainly focused on.
HARDCORE STILL LIVES!
9:46 - "New York Hardcore Kids were on some next level shit." Hahaha.
NY is apparently home of the hardcore vegans... fuck Cali and Oregon lol.
@@dmanm85 He meant compared to the norm in the city.
I love this scene. It’s honestly full of humble individuals with so many positive and wise outlooks on life. Yes, nowadays it’s a bit problematic with sexual allegations and such, but I’ll always know hardcore for what it really is: a culture that unites people who want to evoke change in society with their words and with their instruments.
Glad I had the privilege of growing up in the NYHC scene. The best times of my life.