Lol, "hard to say".... I love science based conversations where everything has to have firm basis. These two Doctors are absolute rock stars in the industry.
I see it as 3 basic routes. You can strength your way to cardio, strength your way to mobility, and all mixed possibilities there too. I love playing with the mobility one because I work a lot and it seems to help me crawl in and out of the structures easier. And relaxation during time off is so important.
Balanced and structured programming is the way to go. I was going to do stretch based only, but it's kinda boring..and I'd get sad from no real self progress reports on much loved lifts like Pullups and Pistol Squats.
Very interesting. Are the 15 Minutes Stretching or the one our stretching without Pause. Is it not possible to do maybe 3 minutes stretching 5 times for the 15 minutes protokoll?
I also have a video for how to stretch everything but the face, pretty much ( which you can do by rolling the eyes, yawning, tensing and otherwise playing with face muscles in extreme holds of 5 s. or so : total time 30s. ) , though the first bit of cardio is kind of low-key as theres Im also trying to be quiet in the apartment.
No because the Seiza doesn’t adequately stretch the tibialis, youd gain ROM before you build muscle. You’d have to do Leaning Ankle Hyperflexions for reps but you’re gonna overload the tendons if you applied hypertrophy protocols.
Could stretching protocols be used for people who cant use their muscles, like people in comas or with paralysis, to counter act muscle atrophy and the negative consequences thereof?
Are animal studies like these still done? I am an immunology PhD student and just wondering what the justification is in the project license for using these animals.for hypertrophy studies ? To me it feels a bit extreme to do this to animals for hypertrophy research if it is intended for a sports/exercise context
Not sure in terms of whether it's still done, but perhaps there's some justification in terms of hypertrophy science helping muscle wasting patients etc
I don't think so, he said the injury risk is still unknown, and if there have been cases of severe injuries like that I think he probably would have mentioned it.
When are we getting an inverse Science by Strength channel, where we generate scientific information through hulk-smashing and Kyriakos-lifting things? The abstract: grahhhHHHHAHHH, AHHHGGHHHH
I would say so, almost everything has a dose response relationship. If they saw robust hypertrophy for 15 minutes of 8/10 discomfort, let's call that training very close to failure. We know that people can make slow and steady progress from training not very close to failure.
@@42069memes I've seen similar ones on amazon but maybe they aren't as adjustable compared to the one in the study. Look for "sleeping stretch boot" or "plantar fasciitis splint" or similar terms.
I Wonder how can include this in m training, maybe after Cheststretching for 1 2 minutes with db flys, or after leg day holdIng the reverse nordic Position for 10 minutes or whatever? Or is it not Worth?
I'd speculate that you should not push into the failure, or that you should not even go to full failure, but when you can tell you are close, stop shy of the part where it gets really hard and do increasingly smaller range of motion. Because we know training to failure isn't optimal in general, and that preserving your muscle so you can do more volume is better, assuming you end up doing that additional volume.
Real madlads want to know where we can get one of these orthotic devices. Not the knock off Temu crap, the real deal that will make you wish for the cold clammy embrace of the grim reaper
Pre-training stretching does not have a negative effect on strength and power if the muscles are activated with activation or warm-up sets between the stretching and the working sets. The studies that I have seen had the lifter stretch and then immediately do a heavy working set. This should be de-bunked by a new study.
Muscle size and muscle strength are two different things...just watch the bodybuilders vs. construction workers video that Jesse James West posted a few weeks ago. The bodybuilders were bigger and more toned, but they consistently lost the competitions. There's something about doing functional movements in everyday activities that makes a difference compared to artificial activities in the gym.
The lighting and framing makes it look like you are grilling Eric after he's been caught for doing something unspeakably sinister.
“Have a seat over there” energy
Some of these stretching studies are pretty sinister, tbh
I'm sure he's guilty of something.
He did read about dudes bending back rats' ankles until they cried and he was cool with it, that's pretty dark
“Hi, I’m Chris Hanson. I have some questions for you…” 😂
I like this guy a lot. Wasn't blowing smoke. Wasn't trying to sell us on anything. Nuance stance. Great stuff.
Except they keep making these excessively long videos
Dr. Helms is one of the OGs for sure, that's why Greg Nuckols got him in MASS.
Some of us are nerds and enjoy it
@@rundown132 I like long videos
Lol, "hard to say".... I love science based conversations where everything has to have firm basis. These two Doctors are absolute rock stars in the industry.
Yes please! I swear Milo said Eric's a muscle bloating expert which is now my favourite way to express it.
30 seconds into the video and I now know to do all my pressing while doing the splits.
Solid takeaway.
Great conversation, thank you both!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Eric Helms is my gym crush.
damn some of these studies are hardcore animal abuse, sad that we don’t have better ways to understand how to progress our physiological discoveries
Pales in comparison to animal agriculture since it only has to be done once. And there is no tofu substitute in science.
Are you a vegan?
I see it as 3 basic routes. You can strength your way to cardio, strength your way to mobility, and all mixed possibilities there too. I love playing with the mobility one because I work a lot and it seems to help me crawl in and out of the structures easier. And relaxation during time off is so important.
Balanced and structured programming is the way to go. I was going to do stretch based only, but it's kinda boring..and I'd get sad from no real self progress reports on much loved lifts like Pullups and Pistol Squats.
Dogcrap training had it somewhat right with ending sessions with extremely heavy stretching at the end of each workout.
What an excellent interview AND video presentation.
Loved the questions being listed and summary boxes
Weighted stretching. Makes me wonder if this heavily contributes to why gymnastics rings athletes are so jacked.
Man the dedication to torture yourself for science 😂
Paul carter punching the air at this level of nuance.
😂😂😂
Phenomenal video. Eric is a G.
If you think about it, long length partials is basically dynamic stretching with weights
I never thought I'd be sad to be extremely flexible.
"Significantly more" is all well and fine, but what effect sizes are we looking at between resistance training vs stretching protocols?
I'd say that for this level of nuance going into the references is a good idea, but I had the same question watching the vid
I want research on lower intensity stretching but for many hours during sleep
On your sausage?
Yeah bro, did you mean your floppin' sausage?
Penis doesn't grow (I mean it does when erect but that's it)
Very interesting. Are the 15 Minutes Stretching or the one our stretching without Pause. Is it not possible to do maybe 3 minutes stretching 5 times for the 15 minutes protokoll?
woudnt be yoga pilates etc beneficial to your weight training for hypertrophy?
The Wallen and colleagues paper is not linked in the description
I also have a video for how to stretch everything but the face, pretty much ( which you can do by rolling the eyes, yawning, tensing and otherwise playing with face muscles in extreme holds of 5 s. or so : total time 30s. ) , though the first bit of cardio is kind of low-key as theres Im also trying to be quiet in the apartment.
So would kneeling seiza style be effective for the tibialis anterior?
No because the Seiza doesn’t adequately stretch the tibialis, youd gain ROM before you build muscle. You’d have to do Leaning Ankle Hyperflexions for reps but you’re gonna overload the tendons if you applied hypertrophy protocols.
the revelatory information in this is that these stretch hypertrophy studies provide strong evidence in favor of hyperplasia
For the algorithm
Could stretching protocols be used for people who cant use their muscles, like people in comas or with paralysis, to counter act muscle atrophy and the negative consequences thereof?
As far as i know stretch mediated hypertrophy occurs in denervated muscles too
Are animal studies like these still done?
I am an immunology PhD student and just wondering what the justification is in the project license for using these animals.for hypertrophy studies ? To me it feels a bit extreme to do this to animals for hypertrophy research if it is intended for a sports/exercise context
Not sure in terms of whether it's still done, but perhaps there's some justification in terms of hypertrophy science helping muscle wasting patients etc
Timestamps...😢
Where there any injuries like muscle tears in the participants? Sounds quite dangerous to me.
I don't think so, he said the injury risk is still unknown, and if there have been cases of severe injuries like that I think he probably would have mentioned it.
Half of them died
@@ew-zd1thThen they were brought back just so they could die again... For science, of course!
When are we getting an inverse Science by Strength channel, where we generate scientific information through hulk-smashing and Kyriakos-lifting things? The abstract: grahhhHHHHAHHH, AHHHGGHHHH
I did not know Chris Martin from Coldplay was a hypertrophy research expert.
Christopher is much older now. That's his son.
If you had to guess, could you get away with lower RPE stretching protocols and if so how low?
I would say so, almost everything has a dose response relationship. If they saw robust hypertrophy for 15 minutes of 8/10 discomfort, let's call that training very close to failure.
We know that people can make slow and steady progress from training not very close to failure.
@@DILFDylF That wouldn't imply though that a higher volume may be needed?
Where can i get that orthosis?
The internet
@@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans I looked for ages, i think they made it just for the study.
@@42069memes I've seen similar ones on amazon but maybe they aren't as adjustable compared to the one in the study. Look for "sleeping stretch boot" or "plantar fasciitis splint" or similar terms.
Just use a belt brother
I'm curious if Eric's stretch in the boot or the pec stretch causes Doms
Can i stretch the pec with holding my flys?
Yes
I Wonder how can include this in m training, maybe after Cheststretching for 1 2 minutes with db flys, or after leg day holdIng the reverse nordic Position for 10 minutes or whatever? Or is it not Worth?
How did you guys integrate lenghtened partials into your sets?
Train to failure then do partial
Like 4 reps
Or train 8 full then 4 partial
@@ilyasgood526or just do certain exercises only partials
I'd speculate that you should not push into the failure, or that you should not even go to full failure, but when you can tell you are close, stop shy of the part where it gets really hard and do increasingly smaller range of motion. Because we know training to failure isn't optimal in general, and that preserving your muscle so you can do more volume is better, assuming you end up doing that additional volume.
@@Spreadlove5683 yes that's what i mean when you feel it's like you have 3 or 4 in reps to failure
@@Spreadlove5683 Do meltzer and go to extreme failure.
amazing
Does this work for the penis muscle?
Asking for a friend...
Actually stretching programs can lengthen your penis for meaningful longterm gains in length.
In all seriousness, don't tell me you've never heard of it?! Short answer: yes. An expert in this field was Leo Longevity.
Real madlads want to know where we can get one of these orthotic devices. Not the knock off Temu crap, the real deal that will make you wish for the cold clammy embrace of the grim reaper
Let me know if you find it, i couldnt.
How about on a deload week
I try that. It usually keeps me energized, 30 to 60 seconds of stretching unilateral with force.
Sound is off balance :( Sad for headphones users
😭😭😭
great
Pre-training stretching does not have a negative effect on strength and power if the muscles are activated with activation or warm-up sets between the stretching and the working sets. The studies that I have seen had the lifter stretch and then immediately do a heavy working set. This should be de-bunked by a new study.
We can justify just about anything it seems. Up there as one of the easiest examples of evil.
New outro music needed immediately
No way. It’s creepy and bumpin!
Man…Dr. Helms, just let those few hairs go
Im trying 1 week to see this video ... Boring.... Sorry
Muscle size and muscle strength are two different things...just watch the bodybuilders vs. construction workers video that Jesse James West posted a few weeks ago. The bodybuilders were bigger and more toned, but they consistently lost the competitions. There's something about doing functional movements in everyday activities that makes a difference compared to artificial activities in the gym.
You know that video is fake right? The construction workers were also body builders in that video. Jesse James is known for making fake content.
Does stretching build muscle? Yes. Then 28 minutes of black screen should have been the video.
Will this work on a pecker... bird? 🦤