I am a HUGE Eschatology nerd, and one of the reasons I ALMOST fell into the SDA trap because I was trying to digest as much as I could, especially "AMAZING FACTS" Not knowing how the SDA twisted a LOT of prophesises to match their narrative. I love this series because it is giving me more info to debunk SDA's who try to use Eschatology to LURE people into their cult . . .
I do live studies, and the main reason I started making videos about SDAs is because I was trying look up eschatology, and kept getting mad finding their nonsense. I thought they were jesuits, and still do. I also observe Sabbath. But they have very twisted teachings and I figured out how to explain Daniel ⁸ properly in 20 minutes or less. And anyone can figure it out fast too. And learning Daniel 8 properly destroys SDAs. It is so easy to point very small things out. And there is only 1 way to view this prophecy and it's easy to see. I also know Jewish calendar faily well, and that kills them. Their 0ct 22 1844 date requires a May Passover. I know of no such Jewish calendar.
@@chrislucastheprotestantview The more I communicate with SDA cult members, the more I realize they don't care to keep any type of Sabbath law given to the Children of Israel for being freed from bondage in Egypt by God with a mighty hand. They only wish to claim its needed, then make any excuse to justify their actions on that day. The mere denial of Christ's grace seems sufficient for them, the day means nothing. (Except as a mark of being SDA)
One thing to point out to SDAs, and many people outside the SDA church, if you walk up to a random member of any church, most will not be able to tell you the date Greece conquers Media Persia. But when you know this happened in 334bc, then you know the rest of the prophecy cannot be talking about anything before then. You know the temple was destroyed in 70ad, so it cannot be talking about anything after. So you look for something that fits between those two periods. And the 2300 evening morning is actually referring to the daily sacrifices, so it's actually a period of 1150 days. Which aligns with what Maccabees reports and Josephus. And there is a few extra days needed, which I figured out, but I am waiting for an archeologist to come on my show as a special guest to share that. To my knowledge, no one has come up with a good approximate start date. But I think I figured out the exact day.
When I was a kid going to SDA schools we were taught the 144 000 was 12 000 from each of the 12 tribes. And, each one in the 12,000 groups/tribes would be the leaders of the 12 areas in the New Earth to rule over us.
Oh my gosh the more I learn about this religion the more I want to scream 😱 I don't even know why God led me into this. I can't say I'm enjoying it, but I've had a stroke & I've got time on my hands. I became a Christian in my 30s by reading the Bible by myself, so all this weird stuff (SDA stuff) is nauseating to me 🤢
First, I wish you a speedy recovery. I too agree and the more Adventism is studied the more bizarre it is and the more Adventism gets exposed the fewer converts it will get. The Adventist 2023 statistics are proof of a declining Adventism.
@@Over-for-now Right, celebrity Adventists are truly emissaries of Satan: 2Co 11:14 ESV And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
I am sure as others recall their Adventist school years, there will be dozens of different teachings and this proves the absolute madness of Adventist doctrines
Yes thank God for this channel because I love debunking the occult, Freemasonry and Cults because I was in a cult. And I'm South Africa ln originally so when I found Walter Veith's series with insight into the Catholic side of the occult, I started watching his What's Up Prof series on current events and I didn't realize my mind was getting so twisted on biblical truths. So I decided to doyself a favor and search for adventism theological criticism and I learned that certain phrases like "the close of probation " were not biblical at all. Veith definitely gets confused on the 144000. He just says it means nothing and the number can't be exact because "what about the rest.of us". I'm retrospect, I see that family is still controlled by the occult and his brand of adventism is very dangerous to people looking to be Christian but still with all this occult drama attached.yp it. The Veiths are quite narcissistic and they say whenever something happens it is God giving them a sign or Satan testing them. Their daughter was extremely messed up on antipsychotics for years and now she's even ore.occultic than her parents but she's still an Adventist. They get a lot of.miney from Adventists to travel the world and produce fancy Adventist media.
Right! After all it was the Adventists who put in writing that God started handing out tickets to the 144,000! What ridiculous nonsense. . . (Cushing, Laura E. “Be Sure You Have Your Ticket” The Youth’s Instructor. 20 March 1889, p. 46)
Looks like the SDA and the JW's collaborated on the doctrine of the 144000 and to create a special class that inherited heaven and the rest have to live on the earth. Shows that they both have a common source for their deceptions.
Yes, but the JWs or at that time they were known as "International Bible Students" copied much from the larger Second and Seventh-day Adventists movements into their doctrines. Their founder "Pastor Russell" was a devote of William Miller.
@@AcademyApologia Yes, the common source of these two including the Mormons is the Deceiver himself which explains why there are many similarities with these three cults.
@@les318 They all started as one happy Cultic family and disagreements on doctrine let them split. They all have similar doctrines ( SDA, Mormons as well as JW) I don't want to make this a race thing but it was a white mans religion before ( they were racist) it's like the Dems and over the years the became inclusive. Now what's strange is that all three religions were started by Freemasons in the same area almost in the same era with a similar agenda to bring confusion and to target the weak in faith hence the crutches these cults use ( ten commandments as an eg)
Absolutely and every time as Adventist quotes 1 John 5:3 and in this verse sees the 10 so-called Commandments, they show their bible ignorance, since 1 John 5:1 tells the reader the commandments being referenced are the commandments of Christ 1Jn 5:1-3 ESV Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. (2) By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. (3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
And love is the road, and not the destination alone. For Jesus of Nazareth reduced ALL commandments to one and one only: Thou shalt love! 1. Vertical love: Love God as he has loved you, that is, with self-sacrificing or unconditional or agape love. 2. Horizontal love: Love thy neighbor as thyself. But you cannot love yourself unless you have first responded to God's love for you on the cross.
My God! Unbelievable! This is incredulous!😱😱😱....I found myself uttering, "A-A," (St. Lucian response when faced with craziness!) I know that Adventists are confused by the way scriptures are interpreted, their cognitive dissonance, etc, etc - but it hadn't dawned on me that Adventism - from the core - to the core - was a whole mass of confusion! Wow! Smh!...This vid was a wide-eyed, jaw-dropping experience for me. What I can't understand is why some churches like SDA - and JW - confuse themselves on the matter of the 144,000 and believe that THEY ARE the 144,000. This, in itself, is confusion right there - for them - cos they'll have to fight for inclusion or to be "the chosen!" 😂 Don't these churches understand what they read in the Bible? The problem is that they turn and twist the Word of God so much so that it fits into their twisted doctrines that they, the heads who promote these riduculous interpretations and reasonings - beginning with EGW for SDA'S - are blinded to what the Word says. The 144,000 - it's so clear in Scripture....Revelation 7:4-8....12,000 from each of the 12 Tribes of Israel: 12,000 × 12 = 144,000! What's so hard to understand about that? This vid was an absolute treat...deliciously confusing! 😁....Thank you 👍🏾
Thanks for commenting and I too was shocked at all the bizarre Adventist teachings of their 144,000 doctrine. This doctrine of the 144,000 is not only contradictory but it seems to get more bizarre as the years pass.
I was born into an sda family in 1972. This is one of the teachings that made me not believe in Ellen as far back as 2014. Whoever the 144,000 are it has to be they exist during tribulation time whenever the true Mark of the Beast is also happening. I don't believe that to be Sunday observance either as the Gregorian calendar is relatively new in relationship to Adam and Eve existing. If you ever watched the TV series "LOST" it has a character named Desmond who is portraying the closest thing I have seen to this. This might be Satan's version of last day events so accuracy might not totally exist. If Covid was not the mark of the beast even though DNA was changed in people according to scientific proof, it did meet the requirements of bondman vs freeman having a factor. Unlike world war 1 or 2 which were big things in terms of deaths, people in jail would have been immune to the outcome if in USA.
Thanks for the comment and I always like to read the stories by former Adventists who describe the Adventist doctrines that led to your eventual exit. The 144,000 is the most confusing and contradictory doctrine I have thus far studied in Adventism and it is so damaged by their historical pronouncements that at this point it is not salvageable
@@AcademyApologia Its fine to call it confusing. Its not fine to reject understanding. You will reject understanding 144,000, right? We both know that the answer is yes.
@@frazierwoods9912 Thank You for being the 112th Adventist to complain and whine about the video and not able to refute a single fact presented. Bravo! So, do you have a ticket proving you are one of the 144,00? (Youth's Instructor. March 20, 1889, p. 46) Are you getting fit and applying for your conceal and carry permit so you can be a body guard of Christ? (Signs of the Times. Sept. 15, 1931, p. 6)
@@frazierwoods9912 Tell us, do you have a ticket proving you are one of the 144,000 and have you been getting in shape to be ready to be the body guard of Christ. Do you have that "Conceal and Carry Permit" yet?
you should talk. May God grant both the SDA and the Mormon's payment for taking tithes under false pretenses. Indeed, Judas Iscariot was a devout Sabbath keeper who betrayed Christ with a kiss and for 30 pieces of silver The SDA has no right to collect tithes or money than the Mormons, Baptists, 7th Day Baptists, Armstrongites or the other countless other Sabbath keeping Splinter groups The sacred scripture was never intended to be in the hands of such men as the SDA and their manifold splinter groups. My words to Doug Batchelor and all the self-ordained "ministers" of the former Armstrong and Adventist cult, is to repent and come clean or pay the price for all eternity for being a false teacher. Moreover, the entire corruption of the gospel by these people is an open display of their willingness to steal tithes and offerings, while taking God's name in vain *for selfish purposes* , because, they neither love God nor their fellow man. The Apostle Paul's Admonition and commandment to the *Members of the church of Rome* Romans 16:17 Now, I beseech you, brethren, *mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.* 18 *For they that are such serve NOT our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly;* and by *GOOD WORDS and FAIR SPEECHES deceive the hearts of the simple.*
Right and I have noticed in Adventism they always seem to be able to get the tithe into a doctrine. Adventism is a business that happens to be in the religion business and a business needs funds (tithe) to fund the organizational machine and maintain the lifestyle of the senior leaders.
@@AcademyApologia May God grant both the SDA and the Mormon's payment for taking tithes under false pretenses. Indeed, Judas Iscariot was a devout Sabbath keeper who betrayed Christ with a kiss and for 30 pieces of silver The SDA has no right to collect tithes or money than the Mormons, Baptists, 7th Day Baptists, Armstrongites or the other countless other Sabbath keeping Splinter groups The sacred scripture was never intended to be in the hands of such men as the SDA and their manifold splinter groups. My words to Doug Batchelor and all the self-ordained "ministers" of the former Armstrong and Adventist cult, is to repent and come clean or pay the price for all eternity for being a false teacher. Moreover, the entire corruption of the gospel by these people is an open display of their willingness to steal tithes and offerings, while taking God's name in vain *for selfish purposes* , because, they neither love God nor their fellow man. The Apostle Paul's Admonition and commandment to the *Members of the church of Rome* Romans 16:17 Now, I beseech you, brethren, *mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.* 18 *For they that are such serve NOT our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly;* and by *GOOD WORDS and FAIR SPEECHES deceive the hearts of the simple.*
@@AcademyApologia Rightly said. Have you considered doing a program on the SDA similarities to the RCC? Both have Popes of infallible interpretations, both have vaulties for their naughties. The White Estate room and the Vatican vault. Many other things.
@@adventistanalyzer1056 Yes I have, but have. I just need to collect the facts, which would not be too hard and it is just a time issue, but something definitely on my list of videos to make
@@NiteOwl247 It's true, even when Michael-jesus tells the SDA to stand in a field for his several arrivals and keeps not showing up, they still obey, terribly incomprehensible is what it is.
@@NiteOwl247 An Adventist who names Christ as you just did needs to be made aware that a false and fabricated Christ has just been claimed. Adventist Jesus is not Bible Jesus. The bible warns us there will be fabricated Christs’ (1). Your Christ did not die on the cross for the sins of mankind (2) in the one final atonement, but continues the atonement starting in 1844 and continuing today. Your Christ is a Levitical priest in text and pictures in Adventist literature (3). Christ is not of the tribe of Levi, He is Judah (Mat. 1:1-17) and is a Priest of the order of Melchizedek (Heb. 7:17). Adventist 1844 Levitical Priest Jesus who did not die on the cross of the sins of mankind is a false Christ (1). 1. 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 ESV (3) But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. (4) *For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.* 2. “The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, *was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on the record in the sanctuary until the final atonement;* so in the type the blood of the sin-offering removed the sin from the penitent. But it rested in the sanctuary until the day of atonement.” White, Ellen. “Patriarchs and Prophets” Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Company, 1890, p. 357 3. *“The ministry carried on by the tribe of Levi was but a type or object lesson of the ministry to be conducted by man's great High Priest, the Lord Jesus.”* Gilbert, F. C. “The Period of Christ’s Priestly Ministry” The Ministry. March 1941, p. 20
Yes you are correct - there is a lot of confusion among SDAs whether or not the 144,000 is literal or symbolic. Ellen White’s writing clearly state they are literal. They are to be the remaining Christians who will be left alive at the coming of Jesus: “Then Jesus’ silver trumpet sounded, as He descended on the cloud, wrapped in flames of fire. He gazed on the graves of the sleeping saints, then raised His eyes and hands to heaven, and cried, ‘Awake! awake! awake! ye that sleep in the dust, and arise.’ Then there was a mighty earthquake. The graves opened, and the dead came up clothed with immortality. The 144,000 shouted, ‘Alleluia!’ as they recognized their friends who had been torn from them by death, and in the same moment we were changed and caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air.” Early Writings page 16.1
I never knew how confused the SDAs were on this doctrine until I started this deep dive into there teachings. It is not simply that Ellen White made a mistake as some SDAs may be willing to admit, but Ellen White is a false teacher of false doctrines and Adventists are not Christians.
@@AcademyApologia I recommend you read the book “Prophet of Destiny” by Rene Noorbergen, especially the chapter “Science Catches Up With The Prophet”. You will be amazed!
@@jimgurtner Here is just one of her false prophecies: At a conference in Battle Creek in 1856 she gave a "vision" where she said some of these at this conference would be translated to heaven. *Spoiler alert, none were translated to heaven and all are now food for worms:* “But we were yet to pass through another severe trial. At the conference a very solemn vision was given me. *I saw that some of those present would be food for worms, some subjects for the seven last plagues, and some would be translated to heaven at the second coming of Christ, without seeing death.”* White, Ellen. Spiritual Gifts. Vol. 2. Ellen G. White Estate, Inc., 1860/2011, p. 209 Matthew 7:15-20 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. (16) You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (17) So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. (18) A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. (19) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (20) *Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.* [False Prophecies]
6 COMMANDMENTS 7TH DAY ADVENTISTS BREAK WEEKLY, EVERY SABBATH 1. **Sabbath Observance**: The fourth commandment is to remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy, which involves resting and dedicating the day to spiritual matters. Promoting falsehoods, like a false prophet, on this day is seen as a violation of this commandment. 2. **Bearing False Witness**: The ninth commandment prohibits bearing false witness against your neighbor. If promoting a false prophet involves spreading lies or deceit, it could be considered a form of bearing false witness. 3,4. (2 commandments) **Idolatry**: The first and second commandments warn against having other gods and making idols. If the promotion of a false prophet leads others to follow someone other than the true God, it could be seen as a form of idolatry. 5. **Taking God's Name in Vain**: The third commandment prohibits taking the Lord's name in vain. If someone claims the authority of God or speaks falsely in His name, it could be considered taking His name in vain. 6. **Stealing** - Receiving money through the fraud of promoting a false prophet could be considered a form of theft, as it involves deception to obtain financial gain. This act could be seen as violating the commandment against stealing, which prohibits taking something that does not rightfully belong to you through deceit or fraud. In a religious context, this type of fraud is particularly serious because it exploits individuals’ faith and trust. I could add a 7th, "honor you mother and father" but if their father is the devil, they may not be breaking that one. Maybe their parents find breaking God's commands honorable to them. So therefore, there may be a 7th they break. I observe the 7th sabbath if any adventist reads this, so don't dare attack me about this. I just did a nine hour show and spent 4 hours trying to get an Adventist to answer 1 question, which never got answered.
Now, lets observe how Adventist respond to this comment of yours and try to defend their Sabbath keeping and I am sure you could have listed even more Sabbath issues in Adventism
@AcademyApologia Jim, my frustration is when people are ecumenical with SDAs. I also see "prophets" from charismatic churches be accepted by other Christians and I watch these churches accept each other. But I think this is a serious issue, and not something that should be glossed over. I don't care that they slap the name of Jesus on something, it does not make it Jesus. If Jesus did not speak those words, and someone goes to the church of the god who spoke those words, how is one part of a church of the True Jesus/God if the church supports the prophet who spoke the words of another god/jesus? If I went to the prophet of Baal's church, is baal the true God? But if the prophet of baal called baal "Jesus", am I suddenly at a church of Jesus? These false prophets like Ellen White or prophets that are wrong about elections or whatever, they are no different than the prophets of baal, because Ellen White no more spoke the words from Jesus than a prophet of Baal spoke the words from Jesus. But so many people get ecumenical with these churches just because they hear the name "Jesus".
@@chrislucastheprotestantview I was told by my pastor that some Muslims and some SDA's can go to heaven which confused me and I had to set him straight cause how can idol worshippers go to heaven. We as Christians should stop being scared to call these worms out.
@soullistener6724 it sounds like that person is teaching free grace or OSAS, which I don't hold. Many people have accused me of being free grace. But I have a different view on how things work and think it's possible someone can lose all the Light. I don't think someone can do a sin if they are walking in full light. I think one has to darken their consciousness, even if just a split second. I don't think a mind full of clarity from God can do sin. For instance, if a person is recognizing Jesus created the world out of Love, since He is Love, so therefore the world was created out of Love because He created it, if someone is recognizing that in the moment, how do they do in that very moment something that is eicked? If your child created you a good piece of art out of love, how could you possibly piss on it and marr it up? So what light do these people have if they can continually do evil? Especially if someone tried to sober them up to what they are doing. So promoting a false prophet continually, or anything else,I just wonder if they have any love for Jesus,or how could they do such a thing, and do it in HIS NAME no less? Also, how can anyone with Light stomach seeing deceivers decieve the people sincerely looking for truth?
Your comment above is proof of just another Adventist who is troubled by the content of the video, but who cannot muster a direct response to the content. So you post something totally unrelated. This videos shows the first occurrence of Adventists teaching the 144,000 are symbolic started in 1928! Then there is the teaching in 1889 that God is handing out gold tickers to the 144,000! Followed by the 1931 teaching that the 144,000 will be Christs body guards! Which of these silly and unbiblidal Adventists teachings do you want to discuss and defend?
Thank you and I really like doing this independent research to find Adventist teachings that have not to my knowledge ever been shown and discussed. When Adventism is laid bare for all to observe, the wackiness of their religion comes to the surface and all realize Adventism is not Christian.
U SAID AND I QUOTE When my will break the law of God i repent. Then u said I DONT BREAK THE LAW OF GOD U ASSUME SO. REALLY IF U DONT BREAK THE LAW WHY R U REPENTING? UNLESS U DO BREAK IT RIGHT? LOGICALLY THINKING 😮
You need to clarify. A Christian is not under the Mosaic Law as Adventists presume. A New Testament Christian will sin, but there is no longer any written law, but the law is written on their hearts, which law is not the Mosaic law, but the New Testament Christian knows when they sin
Bible says le 144 000 are thé descendant tribes of Israël God IS the one who choses his peoples not mankind Our job IS to preach thé gospel Only God knows who are this peoples
Be careful of hasty bible readings. Ten of the tribes have been lost (2 Kings 17:24) and have not existed for a very long time. Then if you want to stick to a stick literal reading, the 144,000 are all men who have not defiled themselves with women (Rev. 14:4). There is much more to the 144,000 passages that one strict literal reading.
@@AcademyApologia If thé tribe was Lost Why Jésus said" i came for thé Lost tribe of Israël " Thé bible said thé gentiles were grafted in after read romans 11 God Will never forget Israël read jermiah 31 35 -37 Israël Will never disapeared Praise YAH God has a remnant God IS in control not man
@@soniabambe741 Really? Jesus said he came for the Lost Tribe? What bible verse is this which records Jesus saying he was from the lost tribe? And since 10 tribes are lost, which of the 10 lost tribes did this Jesus say be belonged to?
@@AcademyApologia Matthew 15 24 "I am not sent but unto of thé Lost sheep of Israël " why Christ said this if thé Israël was Lost for you God Will restore Israël jermiah 31 35 -37 Christ was thé descendant of David kingdom of judah Shalom nice sharing with you
Respectfully, sir, so what are your alternative facts to the matter at hand?Or you've specialized in identifying problems but no solutions? You kinda sound like the Johann eck of our times when he was sent by Rome to debate luther.
If you actually watched the video you would have not posted such a silly comment. The last 60 seconds explains the solution you say is not present. The message is Adventism is a purveyor of false doctrine, promoptes a false "Messenger" of God and is a non-Christian religion and the facts of all my videos bear out this fact. A Seventh-day Adventist is not a Christian and Adventism teaches false doctrines as this video on the 144,000 demonstrates
@@allantoo4776 I you chose to ignore the fact that you original comment has been refuted. Why. You stated a solution was not offered I the video, when it clearly was, but now you ignore my reply? Then you are ignore my reply to your whining compliant. Why are yo so unwilling to stand up for you own comments? Defeating Adventism #147 will address the identity of the 144,000
@@allantoo4776 Do you read? Did I not say "Defeating Adventism #147 will address the identity of the 144,000." Why are Adventists such disingenuous Commandment Keepers who take another's words and disregard what was stated/written?
I think pastor Randy Skeete did respond honestly, let me echo his word, biblically whether it is literal or symbolic one thing is for sure, Revelation 14:4-5 (KJV). This one thing is for sure!!! So the bible calls them pure and no false was found in them!!!!! I would love to hear your teaching about the 144000 because yes you have shown quots, and not the actual full statements which is common!! Please do a teaching about it ! Who are they? And how does the bible describe them? 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
Why do you complain about quotes and then not take the time to correct what you believe error? Adventist are lazy, but good at complaining and never take the time to follow through. The video you ask for was released over 3 weeks ago. Defeating Adventism #147 explains the various views on the identify of the 144,000
@@Ndagijimana-zm There are no protestant scholars who completely share the Seventh-day Adventist view and that is because Seventh-day Adventists are not Christians and have unbiblical views outside the realm of Protestantism.
@@AcademyApologia well, I don't agree because I have seen many doing so now, and Rachel had it in the days of Ellen white, she is the one who introduced this final piece to the young group.However, even if I was the only one earth who claims the Sabbath is Divine and Holy as the person who instituted its rest to remember His creation and I can defend that Biblically, having in mind that protestant where not against the Jews but against the holy Catholic Church. I would rather remain with the error of the bible as you claim! Then be in the righteousness of man's claim! I will not be part of the majority that accept 9 commandments and reject 1. For the Lord is the same yesterday today and forever even UpTo the end of time!. So even if I was alone left to worship and keep the Sabbath day Holy as prescribed in the bible, I would do the same, I didn't need anyone to direct me to the Sabbath I met it in Genesis chapter 2 and the Lord guided through revelation and I saw no change!!! I can't wait for the protestant to unite against us with the Catholic against the Sabbath worship, sweetly coated in the climate change and family Sunday rest! I will affirm my foot in the ground in God's Holy Bible! The truth is the truth regardless of how many scholars know it, because we will be judged on what we know! So I will not wonder much about what the dead knew, or what researchers know, for research never ends, truth is still be shown,and the truth of the bible can only be proven from the bible!!! Even the Jesus Christ only had 12 disciples and not the whole nation with him, it didn't mean He was in Error because He had the minority with him 🙏🙏. I can Biblically prove my Sabbath is instituted for worship and Rest from all my work, and I know when it starts and ends, I am to carry the same Holyness through our the week as I do my manly duties and when the Sabbath comes, what a Joy brings! I will rest and be at the feet of Jesus Christ. And I will do this until he returns 🙏 if I am in error then God will show me from the bible.
@@Ndagijimana-zm I have over 25 protestant works on Revelation and not one believes or teaches that Sunday Worship will result in the Mark of the Best. Not one. Adventism is outside Protestantism. So, cite your Protestant (outside Adventism) sources. There is no bible verse commanding *Christian Sabbath Keeping,* nor a bible verse detailing the penalty for *Christian Sabbath breaking.* I can find commands for *Jewish* Sabbath Keeping (Ex. 31:13) and penalties for *Jewish* Sabbath breaking (Ex. 31:14). You keep a Sabbath when the bible nowhere commands the keeping of a *Christian* Sabbath. This comment makes two simple points and demands only to be replied to with two bible verses: Bible Verse Commanding *Christian* Sabbath Keeping is: ___________ Bible Verse Demanding Penalty for *Christian* Sabbath Breaking is: ____________
@@geosdev Right! and for those who do not know, the movie/book "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" used golden tickets in chocolate bars as a key part of the movie. Adventism and its doctrines are so silly and any Adventist actually interested in bible truth would recognize this fact and start processing out of Adventism
I grow weary of teaching Adventists about Adventism, but here goes. You are an Adventist because you were baptized as an Adventist. The current church manual (19th Ed.) on page 46 is baptismal vow #8 which is: "Do you accept the biblical teaching of spiritual gifts and believe that the gift of prophecy is one of the identifying marks of the remnant church?" As a baptized Adventist, you affirm Ellen White as your "Spirit of Prophecy." You are an Adventist because you have been baptized and affirmed all baptismal vows and this includes the Ellen White baptismal vow #8. Then on page 45 of the church manual, it states that every candidate for baptism must affirm the fundamental beliefs. Fundamental belief #18 is the belief in the inspiration of Ellen White. Meaning, you are an Adventist because you affirm belief #18 or Ellen White. So, I await your public denial of baptismal vow #8 and Belief #18. Are you willing to be a public vow breaker? A person who denies the fundamental beliefs and baptismal vows is not officially an Adventist.
@@AcademyApologia Each of the 28 beliefs are rooted in scripture - not EGW words. Even the belief regarding EGW is rooted in scripture. Scripture is the sole foundation of the SDA doctrine - whether you believe it or not. Its literally that simple.
@@frazierwoods9912 OK, Adventism is rooted in the bible. Here is your big chance to shine. Show us this which Scripture verse says the 144,000 will receive tickets? (Youth's Instructor - March 20, 1889) Which scripture verse says the 144,000 Adventists will be the body guard of Christ? (Signs of the Times - Sept. 15, 1931) Lastly, which Scripture verses says the 144,000 must be tithe payers? (R&H - April 23, 1901) Now show us all these verses to prove Adventism is biblical or admit what we all here already know and that is Adventism is not biblical and not Christian.
@@AcademyApologia You can skip to #7, #8, and the bonus... 1. This is another example of how you use information and twist it for your benefit. 2. Its classic of you to frame the question in this manner. 3. Its classic of you to "conclude" such things based on "these" questions alone. 4. This approach shines a light on your error-filled foundation in EGW writings. 5. You clearly think/assume that "all" she wrote is "literally" found in scripture. 6. If that were the case, then, no one would be able to pick up a Bible...much less read it. 7. Your questions about the 144,000 (apples). Adventism is rooted in scripture (oranges). 8. These questions are not honest. How so? You assume that every statement (even if its just these 3) that EGW made has to have a literal scripture to match it. That's not true sir. So, your questions are actually useless and worthless. Bonus I like how you changed the subject from the 28 fundamental beliefs to specific statements about 144, 000. Another classic move people use when the don't want to address their disbelief/doubt in the teachings of the Bible. But, I already know that you're gonna dismiss everything I said. You'll tell yourself that you "defeated" me / Adventism. All the while, you're hiding the fact that your questions were flawed from the beginning. Carry on sir.... Carry on...
@@frazierwoods9912 You are the one who said Adventism is biblical and was then challenged by the content of this video to prove your claim. But you failed. So, let's try again: Show us this which Scripture verse says the 144,000 will receive tickets? (Youth's Instructor - March 20, 1889) Which scripture verse says the 144,000 Adventists will be the body guard of Christ? (Signs of the Times - Sept. 15, 1931) Lastly, which Scripture verses says the 144,000 must be tithe payers? (R&H - April 23, 1901) Now show us all these verses to prove Adventism is biblical or admit what we all here already know and that is Adventism is not biblical and not Christian.
You are so right. I’ll never forget all the questions I had without answer when I was in that Sect. The Bible is much more simple and straight forward; easier to believe and be in peace. ❤
When Adventists cannot address the content of a video, then a comment like yours is the typical response. So, which teaching was your favorite? I like that Adventism teaches the 144,000 will get tickets and that they will be Christ's body guards. This video proves Adventism is not a biblical religion. Eph 5:11 ESV Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
The only question you can answer or maybe you can’t. So what is the Sabbath of the Bible. What is the Sabbath of the most Protestant Churches and what is the Sabbath of the Catholic Church? Now what is the Sabbath of the SDA. As soon as you can prove by scripture alone that Sunday is the new Sabbath made by God and not the Catholic Denomination THEN we might be able to come to an agreement.
This video is not about the Sabbath. This video is about the wacky and un-biblical Seventh-day Adventist teachings on the 144,000. Questions related to content of the video get answered.
@cfmcintyre1854 As soon as you can show us from scripture alone that Sunday is the mark of the beast 😂, why don’t you use the same standard you demand of us against Ellen White, then maybe then you will understand things you don’t understand. Show us from the Bible alone, where Ellen got the teachings of Adam and Eve bring twice the size of humans today, Angels entering and exiting heaven with gold cards, that God only allowed man to eat meat because of an emergency after the flood, and that God counts sins against us that we would have committed if we had the opportunity to, but did no actually commit. God's law reaches the feelings and motives, as well as the outward acts. It reveals the secrets of the heart, flashing light upon things before buried in darkness. God knows every thought, every purpose, every plan, every motive. The books of heaven record the sins that would have been committed had there been opportunity.. ST July 31, 1901, par. 3 Prove these things from the Bible only please then we can talk.
I can't understand this statement. Revelation clearly statesnthe 12 tribes the 154000 are from and yes 12000 are Judah and the rest as from others tribes. Why are people so brainwashed on this and NO thedern state of Israel isn't suddenly made.up of the 13 tribes because it was settled by Jews, most.of.whem are not Semetic DNA tho I don't want to get into that, just saying get your Bible straight and no Revelation does not say their are male or female. If you want to assume they are male, fair enough, but it doesn't actually say that
@@blognathi6586 Revelation 14:4 kjv These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
First, it is biblical command to expose false and fake doctrines such as the SDA doctrine of the 144,000: Eph 5:11 ESV Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. Adventism is being exposed. Your question to explain the 144,000 is an obvious next step and a needed video. Video #147 will explain the 144,000 from a Christian perspective and explain the variety of thoughts and interpretations of this group.
@@AcademyApologia so in other words you have no answer? Just present others opinions... The 144,000 is somebody.. I'll be interested to see if you present a definitive answer to who they are.. I propose they are those that are alive at Christ's return.....1 Thessalonians 4:17 King James Version 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord
@@John-vr5yc Why are Adventists so disingenuous? Did you not read where I stated Defeating Adventism #147 will address the identification of the 144,000?
Brother, your ministry would be much more effective if you would present it in a true Christian manner. I am not an Adventist but I do realise that the Sabbath is not Sunday and this is simply a mark of Roman Catholic ecclesiastical authority. Besides, anyone who trusts in Jesus alone for their salvation is a servant in my Master’s house and It is not my job to chastise him. A bit more of Christ’s humility and charity would go a long way when you are pointing out differences in doctrine. I would be interested to know your take on Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, AND have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”? Notice there is an “and” there, not an “or”. Every Blessing, Oliver
I understand you are not as concerned or offended as I when exposing false teachers. Eph 5:11 ESV Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. You realise that the Sabbath is simply a mark of Roman Catholic authority? I realized you do not understand that Sunday was observed 300+ years before there was a Roman Catholic church. You believe anyone trusting Jesus? I realize you do not understand the bible which warns of false Christs. Adventists worship and teach a Jesus not found in the Scriptures. 2Co 11:4 ESV For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. When I make a video on Rev. 12:17, then we can discuss that verse and passage at that time, but yo have other tasks at hand to learn and correct as pointed out above.
Hey Oliver here is the Bibles take on Rev 12:17 plus 14:12. Adventist falsely teach that the "commandments of God" in Rev 12:17 and Revelation 14:12 are speaking about the Ten Commandments. If you look at the Greek word for "commandments" it is the word "entolas" which means teachings, instructions or commands. This word is used always in John's writings when He is referring to the instructions of teachings of Christ. When John refers to the Ten Commandments in his writings he uses a different Greek word, "nomas". John also defines for us what the "commandments" of God are. Please look carefully at the following passages: I John 5:2-3 - "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments (entolas). For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments (entolas); and His commandments (entolae) are not burdensome." We aren't left to guess what the "commandments" are. The context of the Epistle tells us. Simply look at I John 3:22-24: "and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments (entolas) and do the things that are pleasing in His sight. This is His commandment (entolae), that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded (entolaen) us. The one who keeps His commandments (entolas) abides in Him,..." It's quite clear that the "commandments" of God are two: 1). Believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ 2). Love one another Points: 1. In all the writings of John -- gospel, letters and Revelation -- the word "commandments" always is translated from the Greek word entolas. It is never translated from the Greek word for law (nomos) or laws. 2. "The testimony of Jesus" is "the testimony that Jesus bore" (NIV text note) or, simply, "the gospel." 3. Putting these two exegetical facts together, we come up with this interpretive paraphrase: "Helpless with rage, Satan raged at the Christians. Then he waged war on all true believers who refuse to disobey Jesus Christ and or to relinquish the gospel."
@@terrygreenman1540 SMH. You don't realize what you're saying. Please pay attention. SMH..... 1. You said, "Love one another." 2. What does this really mean? 3. Does Jesus advocate for a love that lies, steals, commits adultery, etc.? 4. You know the answer is no. 5. So, for #1 to be biblical and true, it must be a reflection of the last 6 Commandments. Otherwise, it is not God's love. 1. Believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ. 2. What does this really mean? 3. Does Jesus advocate for a follower who only believes? Or, does Jesus advocate for a follower who believe and acts according to that belief? 4. You know that Jesus requires belief and action. 5. So, for #1 to be biblical and true, it must include belief and action. The action here is behavior, lifestyle. You're either walking by the flesh or the Spirit. You don't stop at belief. Its funny how you typed all of this and still come back to Exod. 20. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's b/c the Bible is consistent with itself.
@@frazierwoods9912 Hey, buddy Frazier! Nice to hear from you again. Remember we used to go around in circles as in a square dance. You know I am not a fan of your # system. 1 blah blah blah 2 blah blah blah 3 blah blah blah 4 blah blah blah Double question you asked. 1. You said, "Love one another." 2. What does this really mean? “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” -Romans 5:8 God loves you, no matter who you are. Does God love a thief? Yes, He does! Does God love an adulterer? Yes, He does! Does God love a homosexual? Yes, He does! Does God love a murderer? Yes, He does! Please understand that when I say “love,” I mean agape love, that is, God's unconditional love for all mankind. God loves us because of Who He is, and not because of who we are. Phileo love is fondness. God loves (agape) homosexuals, but He is not fond (phileo) of them. God loves all sinners, but He is not fond of them. But does this truth mean that we should NOT strive daily to obey perfectly Christ's Commandment: "Thou shalt love?" I am saddened by the hatred that some professed “Christians” have for the unsaved. It is tragic. Yes, God hates sin and the wrath of God abides upon Christ rejecters (John 3:36); but let us never stray from the great Biblical doctrine of God's wondrous love for mankind, which allowed Christ to be nailed to the cross for our sins. John 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” Notice the words, “God so loved (agape) THE WORLD.” Romans 5:8, “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” God in His foreknowledge knew how sinful and rotten mankind would be, but He looked beyond our faults and saw our need for redemption. Jesus Christ died, was buried and rose again from the grave to TAKE AWAY our sins. Jesus did this by the shedding of His own physical blood. 1st Peter 1:18,19, "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold... But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot." Christ died for all men, because God loves all mankind, even the vilest of sinful men. God extends a warm invitation to all sinners. Isaiah 1:18, “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.” Jesus makes us the promise in John 6:37, “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”
@@frazierwoods9912 Con't your silly numbers game. 3. Does Jesus advocate for a love that lies, steals, commits adultery, etc.? 4. You know the answer is no. Sure my answer is no but I am not playing your number game. We read another amazing Scripture in 2nd Timothy 4:3... "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears." -2Tim 4:3 As unbelievable as it is, most people today REFUSE to listen to the Truth . Instead, they seek out lemonheads like Doug Batchelor and Ted Wilson who couldn't preach their way out of a paper bag. These imposters preach heresy.The majority of people today won't go to a church where the pastor shells the corn and says it like it is. The preachers who are raking in hundreds-of-millions of dollars annually are the fluffs like Benny Hinn, who has been proven to be a fake healer time and time again. In fact, Hinn's a Catholic, paralleling Billy Graham's apostate work of ecumenicalism; but, in the Charismatic world. Another subtle trick of the Devil, is for his sinister ministers to hide behind the Gospel. There are many heretics today, two-fold the children of Hell, who are leading the masses into Hell; yet, as unbelievable as it may seem, they present the basic Gospel of Christ. One such culprit is Seventh-Day Adventism. Have a good day!
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I am a HUGE Eschatology nerd, and one of the reasons I ALMOST fell into the SDA trap because I was trying to digest as much as I could, especially "AMAZING FACTS" Not knowing how the SDA twisted a LOT of prophesises to match their narrative. I love this series because it is giving me more info to debunk SDA's who try to use Eschatology to LURE people into their cult . . .
I do live studies, and the main reason I started making videos about SDAs is because I was trying look up eschatology, and kept getting mad finding their nonsense. I thought they were jesuits, and still do.
I also observe Sabbath. But they have very twisted teachings and I figured out how to explain Daniel ⁸ properly in 20 minutes or less. And anyone can figure it out fast too.
And learning Daniel 8 properly destroys SDAs. It is so easy to point very small things out. And there is only 1 way to view this prophecy and it's easy to see.
I also know Jewish calendar faily well, and that kills them. Their 0ct 22 1844 date requires a May Passover. I know of no such Jewish calendar.
@@chrislucastheprotestantview The more I communicate with SDA cult members, the more I realize they don't care to keep any type of Sabbath law given to the Children of Israel for being freed from bondage in Egypt by God with a mighty hand. They only wish to claim its needed, then make any excuse to justify their actions on that day. The mere denial of Christ's grace seems sufficient for them, the day means nothing. (Except as a mark of being SDA)
I do remember you were an Eschatology nerd, so stand by because the two videos following this one will continue in Eschatology....
@@AcademyApologia Love it and appreciate your vids. :) Hence why I keep coming back and commenting :D
One thing to point out to SDAs, and many people outside the SDA church, if you walk up to a random member of any church, most will not be able to tell you the date Greece conquers Media Persia.
But when you know this happened in 334bc, then you know the rest of the prophecy cannot be talking about anything before then. You know the temple was destroyed in 70ad, so it cannot be talking about anything after.
So you look for something that fits between those two periods.
And the 2300 evening morning is actually referring to the daily sacrifices, so it's actually a period of 1150 days. Which aligns with what Maccabees reports and Josephus. And there is a few extra days needed, which I figured out, but I am waiting for an archeologist to come on my show as a special guest to share that. To my knowledge, no one has come up with a good approximate start date. But I think I figured out the exact day.
When I was a kid going to SDA schools we were taught the 144 000 was 12 000 from each of the 12 tribes. And, each one in the 12,000 groups/tribes would be the leaders of the 12 areas in the New Earth to rule over us.
And yet another crazy Adventist teaching on the 144,000
@@AcademyApologia1 Sir, do you agree THAT the 144,000 will be Jewish believers?
@@Over-for-now I understand,but there are other views which are acceptable in true Christianty
@@AcademyApologia Are you a dispensationalist? I love God's time plans. LoL. The sda don't have those truths
@@Over-for-now I do not know what a dispensationalist is nor how to define it. I read the scriptures and take from the Scriptures their meaning
Notifications on these videos are fire 🔥 keep them coming.
Amen and the videos will keep coming and with each video, Adventism will be shown for the false non-Christian religion that it is
Oh my gosh the more I learn about this religion the more I want to scream 😱 I don't even know why God led me into this. I can't say I'm enjoying it, but I've had a stroke & I've got time on my hands. I became a Christian in my 30s by reading the Bible by myself, so all this weird stuff (SDA stuff) is nauseating to me 🤢
First, I wish you a speedy recovery. I too agree and the more Adventism is studied the more bizarre it is and the more Adventism gets exposed the fewer converts it will get. The Adventist 2023 statistics are proof of a declining Adventism.
@@AcademyApologia people like James Rafferty look so good and talk a smooth talk but he is a prime " angel of light"
@@Over-for-now Right, celebrity Adventists are truly emissaries of Satan:
2Co 11:14 ESV And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
When i was in sda grade school i was taught 144 000 sda in Indianapolis. In the 70's battle creek it was 144,000 representatives of sda
I am sure as others recall their Adventist school years, there will be dozens of different teachings and this proves the absolute madness of Adventist doctrines
Yes thank God for this channel because I love debunking the occult, Freemasonry and Cults because I was in a cult. And I'm South Africa ln originally so when I found Walter Veith's series with insight into the Catholic side of the occult, I started watching his What's Up Prof series on current events and I didn't realize my mind was getting so twisted on biblical truths. So I decided to doyself a favor and search for adventism theological criticism and I learned that certain phrases like "the close of probation " were not biblical at all. Veith definitely gets confused on the 144000. He just says it means nothing and the number can't be exact because "what about the rest.of us". I'm retrospect, I see that family is still controlled by the occult and his brand of adventism is very dangerous to people looking to be Christian but still with all this occult drama attached.yp it. The Veiths are quite narcissistic and they say whenever something happens it is God giving them a sign or Satan testing them. Their daughter was extremely messed up on antipsychotics for years and now she's even ore.occultic than her parents but she's still an Adventist. They get a lot of.miney from Adventists to travel the world and produce fancy Adventist media.
Can you tell me more about Walter Veiths daughter? Her name where she attends SDA church, social media accounts, etc.
Golden ticket? Sounds like the Willy Wonka version of the 144000.
Right! After all it was the Adventists who put in writing that God started handing out tickets to the 144,000! What ridiculous nonsense. . .
(Cushing, Laura E. “Be Sure You Have Your Ticket” The Youth’s Instructor. 20 March 1889, p. 46)
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2Esdras on lnternet by sda
Do you have the sources?
Looks like the SDA and the JW's collaborated on the doctrine of the 144000 and to create a special class that inherited heaven and the rest have to live on the earth. Shows that they both have a common source for their deceptions.
Yes, but the JWs or at that time they were known as "International Bible Students" copied much from the larger Second and Seventh-day Adventists movements into their doctrines. Their founder "Pastor Russell" was a devote of William Miller.
@@AcademyApologia Yes, the common source of these two including the Mormons is the Deceiver himself which explains why there are many similarities with these three cults.
@@les318 Absolutely and I cannot agree more.
@@les318 They all started as one happy Cultic family and disagreements on doctrine let them split. They all have similar doctrines ( SDA, Mormons as well as JW) I don't want to make this a race thing but it was a white mans religion before ( they were racist) it's like the Dems and over the years the became inclusive. Now what's strange is that all three religions were started by Freemasons in the same area almost in the same era with a similar agenda to bring confusion and to target the weak in faith hence the crutches these cults use ( ten commandments as an eg)
Yea and his commandments are simple ❤Love God and your neighbor
Absolutely and every time as Adventist quotes 1 John 5:3 and in this verse sees the 10 so-called Commandments, they show their bible ignorance, since 1 John 5:1 tells the reader the commandments being referenced are the commandments of Christ
1Jn 5:1-3 ESV Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. (2) By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. (3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
Hey Tony, it is JUSTIFIED believers who obey Christ's Commandment -- "Thou shalt agape!" -- not UNJUSTIFIED ones.
And love is the road, and not the destination
alone. For Jesus of Nazareth reduced ALL
commandments to one and one only:
Thou shalt love!
1. Vertical love: Love God as he has loved you,
that is, with self-sacrificing or unconditional or
agape love.
2. Horizontal love: Love thy neighbor as thyself.
But you cannot love yourself unless you have
first responded to God's love for you on the
cross.
My God! Unbelievable! This is incredulous!😱😱😱....I found myself uttering, "A-A," (St. Lucian response when faced with craziness!) I know that Adventists are confused by the way scriptures are interpreted, their cognitive dissonance, etc, etc - but it hadn't dawned on me that Adventism - from the core - to the core - was a whole mass of confusion! Wow! Smh!...This vid was a wide-eyed, jaw-dropping experience for me.
What I can't understand is why some churches like SDA - and JW - confuse themselves on the matter of the 144,000 and believe that THEY ARE the 144,000. This, in itself, is confusion right there - for them - cos they'll have to fight for inclusion or to be "the chosen!" 😂
Don't these churches understand what they read in the Bible? The problem is that they turn and twist the Word of God so much so that it fits into their twisted doctrines that they, the heads who promote these riduculous interpretations and reasonings - beginning with EGW for SDA'S - are blinded to what the Word says.
The 144,000 - it's so clear in Scripture....Revelation 7:4-8....12,000 from each of the 12 Tribes of Israel: 12,000 × 12 = 144,000! What's so hard to understand about that?
This vid was an absolute treat...deliciously confusing! 😁....Thank you 👍🏾
Thanks for commenting and I too was shocked at all the bizarre Adventist teachings of their 144,000 doctrine. This doctrine of the 144,000 is not only contradictory but it seems to get more bizarre as the years pass.
No confusion at all..
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I was born into an sda family in 1972. This is one of the teachings that made me not believe in Ellen as far back as 2014. Whoever the 144,000 are it has to be they exist during tribulation time whenever the true Mark of the Beast is also happening. I don't believe that to be Sunday observance either as the Gregorian calendar is relatively new in relationship to Adam and Eve existing. If you ever watched the TV series "LOST" it has a character named Desmond who is portraying the closest thing I have seen to this. This might be Satan's version of last day events so accuracy might not totally exist. If Covid was not the mark of the beast even though DNA was changed in people according to scientific proof, it did meet the requirements of bondman vs freeman having a factor. Unlike world war 1 or 2 which were big things in terms of deaths, people in jail would have been immune to the outcome if in USA.
Thanks for the comment and I always like to read the stories by former Adventists who describe the Adventist doctrines that led to your eventual exit. The 144,000 is the most confusing and contradictory doctrine I have thus far studied in Adventism and it is so damaged by their historical pronouncements that at this point it is not salvageable
@@AcademyApologia
Its fine to call it confusing.
Its not fine to reject understanding.
You will reject understanding 144,000, right?
We both know that the answer is yes.
@@frazierwoods9912 Thank You for being the 112th Adventist to complain and whine about the video and not able to refute a single fact presented. Bravo!
So, do you have a ticket proving you are one of the 144,00? (Youth's Instructor. March 20, 1889, p. 46)
Are you getting fit and applying for your conceal and carry permit so you can be a body guard of Christ? (Signs of the Times. Sept. 15, 1931, p. 6)
@@AcademyApologia
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@@frazierwoods9912 Tell us, do you have a ticket proving you are one of the 144,000 and have you been getting in shape to be ready to be the body guard of Christ. Do you have that "Conceal and Carry Permit" yet?
Paying tithes? Sounds like the tinkling bells of the purgatory release salesman of Rome.
you should talk. May God grant both the SDA and the Mormon's payment for taking tithes under false pretenses. Indeed, Judas Iscariot was a devout Sabbath keeper who betrayed Christ with a kiss and for 30 pieces of silver
The SDA has no right to collect tithes or money than the Mormons, Baptists, 7th Day Baptists, Armstrongites or the other countless other Sabbath keeping Splinter groups The sacred scripture was never intended to be in the hands of such men as the SDA and their manifold splinter groups. My words to Doug Batchelor and all the self-ordained "ministers" of the former Armstrong and Adventist cult, is to repent and come clean or pay the price for all eternity for being a false teacher. Moreover, the entire corruption of the gospel by these people is an open display of their willingness to steal tithes and offerings, while taking God's name in vain *for selfish purposes* , because, they neither love God nor their fellow man. The Apostle Paul's Admonition and commandment to the *Members of the church of Rome* Romans 16:17 Now, I beseech you, brethren, *mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.* 18 *For they that are such serve NOT our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly;* and by *GOOD WORDS and FAIR SPEECHES deceive the hearts of the simple.*
Right and I have noticed in Adventism they always seem to be able to get the tithe into a doctrine. Adventism is a business that happens to be in the religion business and a business needs funds (tithe) to fund the organizational machine and maintain the lifestyle of the senior leaders.
@@AcademyApologia May God grant both the SDA and the Mormon's payment for taking tithes under false pretenses. Indeed, Judas Iscariot was a devout Sabbath keeper who betrayed Christ with a kiss and for 30 pieces of silver
The SDA has no right to collect tithes or money than the Mormons, Baptists, 7th Day Baptists, Armstrongites or the other countless other Sabbath keeping Splinter groups The sacred scripture was never intended to be in the hands of such men as the SDA and their manifold splinter groups. My words to Doug Batchelor and all the self-ordained "ministers" of the former Armstrong and Adventist cult, is to repent and come clean or pay the price for all eternity for being a false teacher. Moreover, the entire corruption of the gospel by these people is an open display of their willingness to steal tithes and offerings, while taking God's name in vain *for selfish purposes* , because, they neither love God nor their fellow man. The Apostle Paul's Admonition and commandment to the *Members of the church of Rome* Romans 16:17 Now, I beseech you, brethren, *mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.* 18 *For they that are such serve NOT our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly;* and by *GOOD WORDS and FAIR SPEECHES deceive the hearts of the simple.*
@@AcademyApologia Rightly said. Have you considered doing a program on the SDA similarities to the RCC? Both have Popes of infallible interpretations, both have vaulties for their naughties. The White Estate room and the Vatican vault. Many other things.
@@adventistanalyzer1056 Yes I have, but have. I just need to collect the facts, which would not be too hard and it is just a time issue, but something definitely on my list of videos to make
SDA is a "perfectionist religion' faith plus works for salvation
Absolutely and the quotes from this video prove your comment is true: Adventism is a works based religion
@@AcademyApologia Yeah they sure love to follow Jesus and obey Him....terrible, tsk tsk
@@NiteOwl247 It's true, even when Michael-jesus tells the SDA to stand in a field for his several arrivals and keeps not showing up, they still obey, terribly incomprehensible is what it is.
@@NiteOwl247 An Adventist who names Christ as you just did needs to be made aware that a false and fabricated Christ has just been claimed. Adventist Jesus is not Bible Jesus. The bible warns us there will be fabricated Christs’ (1). Your Christ did not die on the cross for the sins of mankind (2) in the one final atonement, but continues the atonement starting in 1844 and continuing today. Your Christ is a Levitical priest in text and pictures in Adventist literature (3). Christ is not of the tribe of Levi, He is Judah (Mat. 1:1-17) and is a Priest of the order of Melchizedek (Heb. 7:17). Adventist 1844 Levitical Priest Jesus who did not die on the cross of the sins of mankind is a false Christ (1).
1. 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 ESV (3) But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. (4) *For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.*
2. “The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, *was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on the record in the sanctuary until the final atonement;* so in the type the blood of the sin-offering removed the sin from the penitent. But it rested in the sanctuary until the day of atonement.”
White, Ellen. “Patriarchs and Prophets” Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Company, 1890, p. 357
3. *“The ministry carried on by the tribe of Levi was but a type or object lesson of the ministry to be conducted by man's great High Priest, the Lord Jesus.”*
Gilbert, F. C. “The Period of Christ’s Priestly Ministry” The Ministry. March 1941, p. 20
SDA FALSE CHURCH FALSE PROPHET FALSE TEACHING NO TRUTH PRAY FOR SINS OF YOUR CHURCH
The jehos believe 144k special for heaven and the rest had to pickup dead mans bones on earth.
Yes they do and it is the 144,000 who are the only ones allowed to take communion at their once a year communion service.
Yes you are correct - there is a lot of confusion among SDAs whether or not the 144,000 is literal or symbolic. Ellen White’s writing clearly state they are literal. They are to be the remaining Christians who will be left alive at the coming of Jesus:
“Then Jesus’ silver trumpet sounded, as He descended on the cloud, wrapped in flames of fire. He gazed on the graves of the sleeping saints, then raised His eyes and hands to heaven, and cried, ‘Awake! awake! awake! ye that sleep in the dust, and arise.’ Then there was a mighty earthquake. The graves opened, and the dead came up clothed with immortality. The 144,000 shouted, ‘Alleluia!’ as they recognized their friends who had been torn from them by death, and in the same moment we were changed and caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air.” Early Writings page 16.1
I never knew how confused the SDAs were on this doctrine until I started this deep dive into there teachings. It is not simply that Ellen White made a mistake as some SDAs may be willing to admit, but Ellen White is a false teacher of false doctrines and Adventists are not Christians.
@@AcademyApologia I recommend you read the book “Prophet of Destiny” by Rene Noorbergen, especially the chapter “Science Catches Up With The Prophet”. You will be amazed!
@@jimgurtner I already know Ellen White is a false prophet and false teacher by reading her own writings.
@@jimgurtner Here is just one of her false prophecies:
At a conference in Battle Creek in 1856 she gave a "vision" where she said some of these at this conference would be translated to heaven. *Spoiler alert, none were translated to heaven and all are now food for worms:*
“But we were yet to pass through another severe trial. At the conference a very solemn vision was given me. *I saw that some of those present would be food for worms, some subjects for the seven last plagues, and some would be translated to heaven at the second coming of Christ, without seeing death.”*
White, Ellen. Spiritual Gifts. Vol. 2. Ellen G. White Estate, Inc., 1860/2011, p. 209
Matthew 7:15-20 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. (16) You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? (17) So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. (18) A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. (19) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (20) *Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.* [False Prophecies]
In the Book of Revelation it tells you who the 144,000 are
6 COMMANDMENTS 7TH DAY ADVENTISTS BREAK WEEKLY, EVERY SABBATH
1. **Sabbath Observance**: The fourth commandment is to remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy, which involves resting and dedicating the day to spiritual matters. Promoting falsehoods, like a false prophet, on this day is seen as a violation of this commandment.
2. **Bearing False Witness**: The ninth commandment prohibits bearing false witness against your neighbor. If promoting a false prophet involves spreading lies or deceit, it could be considered a form of bearing false witness.
3,4. (2 commandments) **Idolatry**: The first and second commandments warn against having other gods and making idols. If the promotion of a false prophet leads others to follow someone other than the true God, it could be seen as a form of idolatry.
5. **Taking God's Name in Vain**: The third commandment prohibits taking the Lord's name in vain. If someone claims the authority of God or speaks falsely in His name, it could be considered taking His name in vain.
6. **Stealing** - Receiving money through the fraud of promoting a false prophet could be considered a form of theft, as it involves deception to obtain financial gain. This act could be seen as violating the commandment against stealing, which prohibits taking something that does not rightfully belong to you through deceit or fraud. In a religious context, this type of fraud is particularly serious because it exploits individuals’ faith and trust.
I could add a 7th, "honor you mother and father" but if their father is the devil, they may not be breaking that one. Maybe their parents find breaking God's commands honorable to them. So therefore, there may be a 7th they break.
I observe the 7th sabbath if any adventist reads this, so don't dare attack me about this. I just did a nine hour show and spent 4 hours trying to get an Adventist to answer 1 question, which never got answered.
Now, lets observe how Adventist respond to this comment of yours and try to defend their Sabbath keeping and I am sure you could have listed even more Sabbath issues in Adventism
@AcademyApologia Jim, my frustration is when people are ecumenical with SDAs. I also see "prophets" from charismatic churches be accepted by other Christians and I watch these churches accept each other.
But I think this is a serious issue, and not something that should be glossed over. I don't care that they slap the name of Jesus on something, it does not make it Jesus. If Jesus did not speak those words, and someone goes to the church of the god who spoke those words, how is one part of a church of the True Jesus/God if the church supports the prophet who spoke the words of another god/jesus?
If I went to the prophet of Baal's church, is baal the true God? But if the prophet of baal called baal "Jesus", am I suddenly at a church of Jesus?
These false prophets like Ellen White or prophets that are wrong about elections or whatever, they are no different than the prophets of baal, because Ellen White no more spoke the words from Jesus than a prophet of Baal spoke the words from Jesus.
But so many people get ecumenical with these churches just because they hear the name "Jesus".
@@chrislucastheprotestantview Well said and I thus fare see no Adventists willing to jump in....
@@chrislucastheprotestantview I was told by my pastor that some Muslims and some SDA's can go to heaven which confused me and I had to set him straight cause how can idol worshippers go to heaven. We as Christians should stop being scared to call these worms out.
@soullistener6724 it sounds like that person is teaching free grace or OSAS, which I don't hold. Many people have accused me of being free grace. But I have a different view on how things work and think it's possible someone can lose all the Light.
I don't think someone can do a sin if they are walking in full light. I think one has to darken their consciousness, even if just a split second. I don't think a mind full of clarity from God can do sin.
For instance, if a person is recognizing Jesus created the world out of Love, since He is Love, so therefore the world was created out of Love because He created it, if someone is recognizing that in the moment, how do they do in that very moment something that is eicked?
If your child created you a good piece of art out of love, how could you possibly piss on it and marr it up?
So what light do these people have if they can continually do evil? Especially if someone tried to sober them up to what they are doing.
So promoting a false prophet continually, or anything else,I just wonder if they have any love for Jesus,or how could they do such a thing, and do it in HIS NAME no less?
Also, how can anyone with Light stomach seeing deceivers decieve the people sincerely looking for truth?
Mind you 144000 is a symbolic figurative figure not the exact fixed number of people you are saved already
Your comment above is proof of just another Adventist who is troubled by the content of the video, but who cannot muster a direct response to the content. So you post something totally unrelated.
This videos shows the first occurrence of Adventists teaching the 144,000 are symbolic started in 1928! Then there is the teaching in 1889 that God is handing out gold tickers to the 144,000! Followed by the 1931 teaching that the 144,000 will be Christs body guards! Which of these silly and unbiblidal Adventists teachings do you want to discuss and defend?
Wow J awesome Research ❤
Thank you and I really like doing this independent research to find Adventist teachings that have not to my knowledge ever been shown and discussed. When Adventism is laid bare for all to observe, the wackiness of their religion comes to the surface and all realize Adventism is not Christian.
Ellen White is the Grand Poobah of Adventism.
Yes she is and after all she has her own chapter/belief in the28 beliefs book
U SAID AND I QUOTE
When my will break the law of God i repent.
Then u said I DONT BREAK THE LAW OF GOD U ASSUME SO.
REALLY IF U DONT BREAK THE LAW WHY R U REPENTING? UNLESS U DO BREAK IT RIGHT? LOGICALLY THINKING 😮
You need to clarify. A Christian is not under the Mosaic Law as Adventists presume. A New Testament Christian will sin, but there is no longer any written law, but the law is written on their hearts, which law is not the Mosaic law, but the New Testament Christian knows when they sin
Bible says le 144 000 are thé descendant tribes of Israël
God IS the one who choses his peoples not mankind
Our job IS to preach thé gospel
Only God knows who are this peoples
Be careful of hasty bible readings. Ten of the tribes have been lost (2 Kings 17:24) and have not existed for a very long time. Then if you want to stick to a stick literal reading, the 144,000 are all men who have not defiled themselves with women (Rev. 14:4).
There is much more to the 144,000 passages that one strict literal reading.
Amen that is the truth Amen
@@AcademyApologia
If thé tribe was Lost
Why Jésus said" i came for thé Lost tribe of Israël "
Thé bible said thé gentiles were grafted in after read romans 11
God Will never forget Israël read jermiah 31 35 -37 Israël Will never disapeared
Praise YAH God has a remnant God IS in control not man
@@soniabambe741 Really? Jesus said he came for the Lost Tribe? What bible verse is this which records Jesus saying he was from the lost tribe? And since 10 tribes are lost, which of the 10 lost tribes did this Jesus say be belonged to?
@@AcademyApologia Matthew 15 24
"I am not sent but unto of thé Lost sheep of Israël " why Christ said this if thé Israël was Lost for you
God Will restore Israël jermiah 31 35 -37
Christ was thé descendant of David kingdom of judah
Shalom nice sharing with you
Respectfully, sir, so what are your alternative facts to the matter at hand?Or you've specialized in identifying problems but no solutions? You kinda sound like the Johann eck of our times when he was sent by Rome to debate luther.
If you actually watched the video you would have not posted such a silly comment. The last 60 seconds explains the solution you say is not present.
The message is Adventism is a purveyor of false doctrine, promoptes a false "Messenger" of God and is a non-Christian religion and the facts of all my videos bear out this fact. A Seventh-day Adventist is not a Christian and Adventism teaches false doctrines as this video on the 144,000 demonstrates
So who are the 144000 according to you?
@@allantoo4776 I you chose to ignore the fact that you original comment has been refuted. Why. You stated a solution was not offered I the video, when it clearly was, but now you ignore my reply? Then you are ignore my reply to your whining compliant. Why are yo so unwilling to stand up for you own comments?
Defeating Adventism #147 will address the identity of the 144,000
@@AcademyApologia just say you don't know.
@@allantoo4776 Do you read? Did I not say "Defeating Adventism #147 will address the identity of the 144,000." Why are Adventists such disingenuous Commandment Keepers who take another's words and disregard what was stated/written?
F A N T A S T I C !!
Glad to see you here and thank you....
I think pastor Randy Skeete did respond honestly, let me echo his word, biblically whether it is literal or symbolic one thing is for sure, Revelation 14:4-5 (KJV). This one thing is for sure!!! So the bible calls them pure and no false was found in them!!!!! I would love to hear your teaching about the 144000 because yes you have shown quots, and not the actual full statements which is common!! Please do a teaching about it ! Who are they? And how does the bible describe them?
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
Why do you complain about quotes and then not take the time to correct what you believe error? Adventist are lazy, but good at complaining and never take the time to follow through.
The video you ask for was released over 3 weeks ago. Defeating Adventism #147 explains the various views on the identify of the 144,000
@@AcademyApologia so their a lot of views, you don't know which is correct, but definitely the seventh day Adventist view is wrong? Interesting 🤔
@@Ndagijimana-zm There are no protestant scholars who completely share the Seventh-day Adventist view and that is because Seventh-day Adventists are not Christians and have unbiblical views outside the realm of Protestantism.
@@AcademyApologia well, I don't agree because I have seen many doing so now, and Rachel had it in the days of Ellen white, she is the one who introduced this final piece to the young group.However, even if I was the only one earth who claims the Sabbath is Divine and Holy as the person who instituted its rest to remember His creation and I can defend that Biblically, having in mind that protestant where not against the Jews but against the holy Catholic Church. I would rather remain with the error of the bible as you claim! Then be in the righteousness of man's claim! I will not be part of the majority that accept 9 commandments and reject 1. For the Lord is the same yesterday today and forever even UpTo the end of time!. So even if I was alone left to worship and keep the Sabbath day Holy as prescribed in the bible, I would do the same, I didn't need anyone to direct me to the Sabbath I met it in Genesis chapter 2 and the Lord guided through revelation and I saw no change!!! I can't wait for the protestant to unite against us with the Catholic against the Sabbath worship, sweetly coated in the climate change and family Sunday rest! I will affirm my foot in the ground in God's Holy Bible! The truth is the truth regardless of how many scholars know it, because we will be judged on what we know! So I will not wonder much about what the dead knew, or what researchers know, for research never ends, truth is still be shown,and the truth of the bible can only be proven from the bible!!! Even the Jesus Christ only had 12 disciples and not the whole nation with him, it didn't mean He was in Error because He had the minority with him 🙏🙏. I can Biblically prove my Sabbath is instituted for worship and Rest from all my work, and I know when it starts and ends, I am to carry the same Holyness through our the week as I do my manly duties and when the Sabbath comes, what a Joy brings! I will rest and be at the feet of Jesus Christ. And I will do this until he returns 🙏 if I am in error then God will show me from the bible.
@@Ndagijimana-zm I have over 25 protestant works on Revelation and not one believes or teaches that Sunday Worship will result in the Mark of the Best. Not one. Adventism is outside Protestantism. So, cite your Protestant (outside Adventism) sources.
There is no bible verse commanding *Christian Sabbath Keeping,* nor a bible verse detailing the penalty for *Christian Sabbath breaking.* I can find commands for *Jewish* Sabbath Keeping (Ex. 31:13) and penalties for *Jewish* Sabbath breaking (Ex. 31:14). You keep a Sabbath when the bible nowhere commands the keeping of a *Christian* Sabbath. This comment makes two simple points and demands only to be replied to with two bible verses:
Bible Verse Commanding *Christian* Sabbath Keeping is: ___________
Bible Verse Demanding Penalty for *Christian* Sabbath Breaking is: ____________
Now according to you who are the 144000
That will be defeating Adventism #147
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How great is our God...
Amen and the God of Christians is not the god of Adventism
@@AcademyApologia
Sad most of them don't want to see those errors and even worse not wanting to do their own personal research on those issues.
@@qanaqa33174 You are right. The average Adventist is more interested in defending Adventism and not biblical truth
Haha I kinda want to attend SDA church and show off my ticket and tell them where I got it!
But it has to at least be a golden ticket
a chocolate bar?
@@geosdev Right! and for those who do not know, the movie/book "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" used golden tickets in chocolate bars as a key part of the movie.
Adventism and its doctrines are so silly and any Adventist actually interested in bible truth would recognize this fact and start processing out of Adventism
Iam an sda because i read the bible and understood it by the holy spirit and not by Ellen G White
I grow weary of teaching Adventists about Adventism, but here goes. You are an Adventist because you were baptized as an Adventist. The current church manual (19th Ed.) on page 46 is baptismal vow #8 which is:
"Do you accept the biblical teaching of spiritual gifts and believe that the gift of prophecy is one of the identifying marks of the remnant church?"
As a baptized Adventist, you affirm Ellen White as your "Spirit of Prophecy." You are an Adventist because you have been baptized and affirmed all baptismal vows and this includes the Ellen White baptismal vow #8.
Then on page 45 of the church manual, it states that every candidate for baptism must affirm the fundamental beliefs. Fundamental belief #18 is the belief in the inspiration of Ellen White. Meaning, you are an Adventist because you affirm belief #18 or Ellen White.
So, I await your public denial of baptismal vow #8 and Belief #18. Are you willing to be a public vow breaker? A person who denies the fundamental beliefs and baptismal vows is not officially an Adventist.
@@AcademyApologia
Each of the 28 beliefs are rooted in scripture - not EGW words.
Even the belief regarding EGW is rooted in scripture.
Scripture is the sole foundation of the SDA doctrine - whether you believe it or not.
Its literally that simple.
@@frazierwoods9912 OK, Adventism is rooted in the bible. Here is your big chance to shine. Show us this which Scripture verse says the 144,000 will receive tickets? (Youth's Instructor - March 20, 1889) Which scripture verse says the 144,000 Adventists will be the body guard of Christ? (Signs of the Times - Sept. 15, 1931) Lastly, which Scripture verses says the 144,000 must be tithe payers? (R&H - April 23, 1901)
Now show us all these verses to prove Adventism is biblical or admit what we all here already know and that is Adventism is not biblical and not Christian.
@@AcademyApologia You can skip to #7, #8, and the bonus...
1. This is another example of how you use information and twist it for your benefit.
2. Its classic of you to frame the question in this manner.
3. Its classic of you to "conclude" such things based on "these" questions alone.
4. This approach shines a light on your error-filled foundation in EGW writings.
5. You clearly think/assume that "all" she wrote is "literally" found in scripture.
6. If that were the case, then, no one would be able to pick up a Bible...much less read it.
7. Your questions about the 144,000 (apples). Adventism is rooted in scripture (oranges).
8. These questions are not honest. How so? You assume that every statement (even if its just these 3) that EGW made has to have a literal scripture to match it. That's not true sir. So, your questions are actually useless and worthless.
Bonus
I like how you changed the subject from the 28 fundamental beliefs to specific statements about 144, 000. Another classic move people use when the don't want to address their disbelief/doubt in the teachings of the Bible. But, I already know that you're gonna dismiss everything I said. You'll tell yourself that you "defeated" me / Adventism. All the while, you're hiding the fact that your questions were flawed from the beginning.
Carry on sir....
Carry on...
@@frazierwoods9912 You are the one who said Adventism is biblical and was then challenged by the content of this video to prove your claim. But you failed. So, let's try again:
Show us this which Scripture verse says the 144,000 will receive tickets? (Youth's Instructor - March 20, 1889) Which scripture verse says the 144,000 Adventists will be the body guard of Christ? (Signs of the Times - Sept. 15, 1931) Lastly, which Scripture verses says the 144,000 must be tithe payers? (R&H - April 23, 1901)
Now show us all these verses to prove Adventism is biblical or admit what we all here already know and that is Adventism is not biblical and not Christian.
To be an Adventist requires more faith than to be a Christian.
You are so right. I’ll never forget all the questions I had without answer when I was in that Sect. The Bible is much more simple and straight forward; easier to believe and be in peace. ❤
Yeah funny how that goes, you need faith to believe in what Jesus teaches and commands us don't ya?
Defeating Adventism? IN GOING BACK TO THE POPE YOUR BOSS?
When Adventists cannot address the content of a video, then a comment like yours is the typical response. So, which teaching was your favorite? I like that Adventism teaches the 144,000 will get tickets and that they will be Christ's body guards. This video proves Adventism is not a biblical religion.
Eph 5:11 ESV Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
@@AcademyApologia Demis just realized he didn't received a ticket and I guess he now so P-Off that he can't even brewed up a proper argument
@@nonconformist4802 Right and maybe if he is lucky, he can find at church if someone looses their ticket.
The only question you can answer or maybe you can’t. So what is the Sabbath of the Bible. What is the Sabbath of the most Protestant Churches and what is the Sabbath of the Catholic Church? Now what is the Sabbath of the SDA. As soon as you can prove by scripture alone that Sunday is the new Sabbath made by God and not the Catholic Denomination THEN we might be able to come to an agreement.
This video is not about the Sabbath. This video is about the wacky and un-biblical Seventh-day Adventist teachings on the 144,000. Questions related to content of the video get answered.
@@AcademyApologia They revert back to the Sabbath when everything else is too difficult for them to understand and comprehend
@@Searcher-z5e Your so right we see this all the time.
As always
They will jump back to their Saturn god argument.
@cfmcintyre1854 As soon as you can show us from scripture alone that Sunday is the mark of the beast 😂, why don’t you use the same standard you demand of us against Ellen White, then maybe then you will understand things you don’t understand. Show us from the Bible alone, where Ellen got the teachings of
Adam and Eve bring twice the size of humans today, Angels entering and exiting heaven with gold cards, that God only allowed man to eat meat because of an emergency after the flood, and that God counts sins against us that we would have committed if we had the opportunity to, but did no actually commit.
God's law reaches the feelings and motives, as well as the outward acts. It reveals the secrets of the heart, flashing light upon things before buried in darkness. God knows every thought, every purpose, every plan, every motive. The books of heaven record the sins that would have been committed had there been opportunity.. ST July 31, 1901, par. 3
Prove these things from the Bible only please then we can talk.
the 144,000 are the Jews male :) and not the 144,000 super pretribbers.
I can't understand this statement. Revelation clearly statesnthe 12 tribes the 154000 are from and yes 12000 are Judah and the rest as from others tribes. Why are people so brainwashed on this and NO thedern state of Israel isn't suddenly made.up of the 13 tribes because it was settled by Jews, most.of.whem are not Semetic DNA tho I don't want to get into that, just saying get your Bible straight and no Revelation does not say their are male or female. If you want to assume they are male, fair enough, but it doesn't actually say that
@@blognathi6586
Revelation 14:4 kjv These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Well someone explain who the 144,000 are then if you know.. don't just bash others faith.. answer all knowing soothsayers!!
THE “ACADEMY” SEEMS THEY ARE THE CONFUSED, NOT THE SDA IN THIS MATER.
First, it is biblical command to expose false and fake doctrines such as the SDA doctrine of the 144,000: Eph 5:11 ESV Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. Adventism is being exposed.
Your question to explain the 144,000 is an obvious next step and a needed video. Video #147 will explain the 144,000 from a Christian perspective and explain the variety of thoughts and interpretations of this group.
They are Jewish Men and they are Virgins.
The Bible states that clearly.
@@AcademyApologia so in other words you have no answer? Just present others opinions... The 144,000 is somebody.. I'll be interested to see if you present a definitive answer to who they are.. I propose they are those that are alive at Christ's return.....1 Thessalonians 4:17
King James Version
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord
@@John-vr5yc Why are Adventists so disingenuous? Did you not read where I stated Defeating Adventism #147 will address the identification of the 144,000?
Brother, your ministry would be much more effective if you would present it in a true Christian manner. I am not an Adventist but I do realise that the Sabbath is not Sunday and this is simply a mark of Roman Catholic ecclesiastical authority. Besides, anyone who trusts in Jesus alone for their salvation is a servant in my Master’s house and It is not my job to chastise him. A bit more of Christ’s humility and charity would go a long way when you are pointing out differences in doctrine.
I would be interested to know your take on Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, AND have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”? Notice there is an “and” there, not an “or”. Every Blessing, Oliver
I understand you are not as concerned or offended as I when exposing false teachers. Eph 5:11 ESV Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
You realise that the Sabbath is simply a mark of Roman Catholic authority? I realized you do not understand that Sunday was observed 300+ years before there was a Roman Catholic church.
You believe anyone trusting Jesus? I realize you do not understand the bible which warns of false Christs. Adventists worship and teach a Jesus not found in the Scriptures.
2Co 11:4 ESV For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.
When I make a video on Rev. 12:17, then we can discuss that verse and passage at that time, but yo have other tasks at hand to learn and correct as pointed out above.
Hey Oliver here is the Bibles take on Rev 12:17 plus 14:12.
Adventist falsely teach that the "commandments of God" in Rev 12:17 and Revelation 14:12 are speaking about the Ten Commandments. If you look at the Greek word for "commandments" it is the word "entolas" which means teachings, instructions or commands. This word is used always in John's writings when He is referring to the instructions of teachings of Christ. When John refers to the Ten Commandments in his writings he uses a different Greek word, "nomas".
John also defines for us what the "commandments" of God are.
Please look carefully at the following passages:
I John 5:2-3 - "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments (entolas). For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments (entolas); and His commandments (entolae) are not burdensome."
We aren't left to guess what the "commandments" are. The context of the Epistle tells us. Simply look at I John 3:22-24:
"and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments (entolas) and do the things that are pleasing in His sight. This is His commandment (entolae), that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded (entolaen) us. The one who keeps His commandments (entolas) abides in Him,..."
It's quite clear that the "commandments" of God are two:
1). Believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ
2). Love one another
Points:
1. In all the writings of John -- gospel, letters
and Revelation -- the word "commandments"
always is translated from the Greek word
entolas. It is never translated from the Greek
word for law (nomos) or laws.
2. "The testimony of Jesus" is "the testimony
that Jesus bore" (NIV text note) or, simply, "the
gospel."
3. Putting these two exegetical facts together,
we come up with this interpretive paraphrase:
"Helpless with rage, Satan raged at the
Christians. Then he waged war on all true
believers who refuse to disobey Jesus Christ
and or to relinquish the gospel."
@@terrygreenman1540
SMH. You don't realize what you're saying.
Please pay attention. SMH.....
1. You said, "Love one another."
2. What does this really mean?
3. Does Jesus advocate for a love that lies, steals, commits adultery, etc.?
4. You know the answer is no.
5. So, for #1 to be biblical and true, it must be a reflection of the last 6 Commandments. Otherwise, it is not God's love.
1. Believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ.
2. What does this really mean?
3. Does Jesus advocate for a follower who only believes? Or, does Jesus advocate for a follower who believe and acts according to that belief?
4. You know that Jesus requires belief and action.
5. So, for #1 to be biblical and true, it must include belief and action. The action here is behavior, lifestyle. You're either walking by the flesh or the Spirit. You don't stop at belief.
Its funny how you typed all of this and still come back to Exod. 20. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's b/c the Bible is consistent with itself.
@@frazierwoods9912 Hey, buddy Frazier!
Nice to hear from you again. Remember we
used to go around in circles as in a square
dance.
You know I am not a fan of your # system.
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Double question you asked.
1. You said, "Love one another."
2. What does this really mean?
“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” -Romans 5:8
God loves you, no matter who you are. Does God love a thief? Yes, He does!
Does God love an adulterer? Yes, He does! Does God love a homosexual? Yes, He does!
Does God love a murderer? Yes, He does! Please understand that when I say “love,” I mean agape love, that is, God's unconditional love for all mankind.
God loves us because of Who He is, and not because of who we are. Phileo love is fondness. God loves (agape) homosexuals, but He is not fond (phileo) of them. God loves all sinners, but He is not fond of them.
But does this truth mean that we should NOT strive daily to obey perfectly Christ's
Commandment: "Thou shalt love?"
I am saddened by the hatred that some professed “Christians” have for the unsaved. It is tragic. Yes, God hates sin and the wrath of God abides upon Christ rejecters (John 3:36); but let us never stray from the great Biblical doctrine of God's wondrous love for mankind, which allowed Christ to be nailed to the cross for our sins. John 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” Notice the words, “God so loved (agape) THE WORLD.”
Romans 5:8, “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”
God in His foreknowledge knew how sinful and rotten mankind would be, but He looked beyond our faults and saw our need for redemption. Jesus Christ died, was buried and rose again from the grave to TAKE AWAY our sins. Jesus did this by the shedding of His own physical blood. 1st Peter 1:18,19, "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold... But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot."
Christ died for all men, because God loves all mankind, even the vilest of sinful men.
God extends a warm invitation to all sinners. Isaiah 1:18, “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.”
Jesus makes us the promise in John 6:37, “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”
@@frazierwoods9912 Con't your silly numbers game.
3. Does Jesus advocate for a love that lies, steals, commits adultery, etc.?
4. You know the answer is no.
Sure my answer is no but I am not playing your number game.
We read another amazing Scripture in 2nd Timothy 4:3...
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears." -2Tim 4:3
As unbelievable as it is, most people today REFUSE to listen to the Truth . Instead, they seek out lemonheads like Doug Batchelor and Ted Wilson who couldn't preach their way out of a paper bag. These imposters preach heresy.The majority of people today won't go to a church where the pastor shells the corn and says it like it is. The preachers who are raking in hundreds-of-millions of dollars annually are the fluffs like Benny Hinn, who has been proven to be a fake healer time and time again. In fact, Hinn's a Catholic, paralleling Billy Graham's apostate work of ecumenicalism; but, in the Charismatic world.
Another subtle trick of the Devil, is for his sinister ministers to hide behind the Gospel. There are many heretics today, two-fold the children of Hell, who are leading the masses into Hell; yet, as unbelievable as it may seem, they present the basic Gospel of Christ. One such culprit is Seventh-Day Adventism.
Have a good day!