IGN’s Top 10 Anime List is PAINFUL
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ธ.ค. 2022
- IGN just updates their Top 10 Anime of All Time list for 2022, and the entries are... INTERESTING.
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The fact that breaking bad isn't on the list speaks for itself
Truee I think squid game should also be there this list suckss
You mean Cory in the house
Stranger Things isnt on the list aswell, the list sucks
I agree
Nor is bible black, what?!
Joey, agree's with 80% of IGNs list.
Also Joey, "IGN’s Top 10 Anime List is PAINFUL"
Clickbait intensifies
U gotta admit he looked in pain on some of them tho 😂
PAINFUL for some people.
Like new weebs or otaku LoL
But, Joey agree's with 70% of IGNs List, not 80%
He doesn't like One Piece (Anime), FMA:B and he prefers only one of Togashi's works in the Top 10. Choose either YYH or HxH .
And there are a few anime that he agrees should rank higher for.
gotta get those clicks
FMA/B definitely has a nostalgic factor, but I wouldn't call it just another shounen similar to Naruto. It was an incredibly accessible series, had a really tight and well-told story with a great conclusion, an amazing dub, an awesome adaptation, and while I wouldn't put it at #1, I do think it sets itself apart from a lot of its peers both before and after it.
Yeah. People just shit on FMAB just beacuse it's popular. With all due respect to Joey but everything that's been going on in the FMAB that people say "Ahhh other anime did it better" , the thing is that it does all of those things with 10/10 standards that even if other animes did it better they did wrong something else which FMA didn't
I haven't seen FMAB and I'm also a Naruto simp, but I think FMAB is leagues ahead of Naruto. Espescially when it comes to pacing, based on what I've heard
@Dann Rajeeh But the only thing Code Geass has is the ending. A lot of it is a trainwreck.
i would and from what i can see online most people agree of how great it is more than, again every other anime I've seen, so from that alone it high and ye picking a #1 is just hard but if I had to... it be fmab b
@Dann Rajeeh Code Geass's ending was it's strongest aspect. The pacing was all over the place. Particularly towards the middle it really drags with entire episodes that barely moves the story along, if at all.
If we are talking about sheer legacy, not having Sailor Moon, or even Japan's most iconic ones like Doraemon or Sazae-san, which are family favorites, clearly shows that this list is based on the ones more popular with Western audiences. I think their last criteria of just how much they loved the series at IGN comes into play the most here.
But then the series that they did pick have a lot of artistic merit, as Joey pointed out.
IGN is a western gaming website, putting something like Doraemon in their top10 makes no sense considering their audience. It is IGN's top10 not some definitive objective top10 of course it's gonna be shows loved by people from IGN.
To be honest, I'm surprised Sailor Moon isn't top ten as well. It was a staple of Cartoon Network in the late 90s and early 00s I think. I guess maybe it's closer to wherever they put Dragonball Z.
As a Band maid fan i heard about Sailor moon several times. I am interested in that series.
@@grichl88 SM was listed as an honorable mention, not even in the top 25
@@auberginebear Damn - that's painful. Shoulda gave one of her husband's two spots and threw our gals in the Top 10. But this was a very dudebro dominated list...aka no surprise from a Western Video Gaming site's Top 10.
I'm a tiny bit disappointed Joey didn't react to the Top 25 list. Some of the reactions would have been priceless
He's too lazy for that
Not worth it for him considering Garnt has already done it. If Joey was to do it as well. They would've done it together in Trash Taste.
Grant already did it for joey and himself. so theres no need.
Yeah this video was pointless. Grant did it better
@@JoutarouKuujou1 the point of the video was to see Joey’s reaction to the list, not Garnt’s. So this video was not pointless
Joey would have had an aneurysm if he'd look through 25-10
I suspect I would too.
I just saw it, and I just shouted "Blasphemy"
I just looked and had one, Steins;gates not on there but demon slayer is?
@@Moe-hs1yo the fact that steins;gate is in the honorable section and demon slayer is in the top 25 💀
@@Moe-hs1yo at 14th place
This list was actually great. I got into FMAB expecting it to be overrated but without a doubt 100% top 5 for me. I don't think it's overrated at all I just think that instead more series that good could get that kind of recognition
Why would u think it was overrated in the first place when u haven’t watched it…. I mean there must be a reason if it’s really popular right?
@@abyssnofap4281 If some people act like it is overrated and others don't you won't know what to think until you watch it. Like look at One Piece. Tons of people say it's boring or too long but getting into it it's absolutely amazing. But also sometimes big mainstream things can be carried by animation or hype, like Demon Slayer. I still love the series but the animation makes up a lot for the simplistic story. That's why I wasn't 100 sure how FMAB would turn out.
Its definitely not a top 5 by any means, but I respect your opinion.
@@desantinotafrancesco2639 I agree though it depends on what 5 shows you will put above FMAB. I would definitely get behind something like LoGH or NGE/EoE but if you say something like AoT, code geass or one piece you (not in specific "you", i mean it as in general "you") would lose your credibility in my eyes as a critic.
@@kubo-samabanbankai562 you doing drugs bruh? Most of the shows that you mentioned are far better than fmab, not even debatable. It is just a good show not the greatest show. If you're that good of a critic then point out a single aspect in which fmab is better than each show that you mentioned in first place our else you're definitely losing your credibility as a critic here.
To say FMAB is just another Shounen series is a crime. To me it feels like one of, if not the, best gateway anime. Like if you show someone FMAB who has never seen anime or never been "an anime fan" they're very likely to be hooked on the series. The storytelling is crisp, the action is hot, and it takes you on an emotional rollercoaster. And it's VERY accessible at only 64 episode. It doesn't feel like a huge undertaking to watch.
Exactly, it is genuinely an amazing show, something I don’t hear enough ppl talking about though is how amazing the OST is. The openings get a lot of praise but the soundtrack is on another level
@@TyronStevens FMA 2003 had a better ost though. Just the theme "bratja/brothers" alone makes it amazing.
Does to me
Overrated crap
@@akhilesh2939 have you even watched the series
I think it'd be pretty cool if you do a Retro Anime series on this channel. Where you introduce and review an older series that no one really knows about.
Kenny Lauderdale is a great place for anyone looking that sorta Retro Anime content FYI
@@mechashadow discovered him this week, love his videos. Anime has come a long way.
Ninku
@@GalekC whoa! First person I found who knows Ninku! Really unknown show. Thank you
XxxHolic. I'd love to hear two cents on that series.
20:22 "I'm so glad that they didn't just pick Shounen Series" Oh boy Imagine if he reacted to the 25 list instead...
I have watched Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood 6 times. I actually watched it last year with my wife and it’s still my favorite anime.
mid.
@@mr_chack88 mid.
I couldn’t even get through it I have tried like 3 times
What’s y’all favorite then?
@DG of course, that's my point
I'm glad that Joey commented on the lack of shojo series! I would also have added Sailor Moon, Utena and Rose of Versailles to the list. Great minds think alike XD
No Ranma 1/2 or cardcaptor sakura?
@GrowingDownUnder I think Ranma got an honorable mention. The only romantic anime on the list of 25 was Ouran High-school Host Club
@@GrowingDownUnder ranma is a Shonen. And if that doesn’t mean anything the MC is a guy
Rose of Versailles should be in the top 15 at least. Joey keeps referring to "cultural impact", which Rose has a truckload of.
Would have been a good replacement for hunter x hunter or yu yu hawkasaw. (Don’t know how to spell the 2nd one)
The dichotomy between Joey's and Garnt's reaction to this same list really illustrates the duality of Man.
P.S- Attack of Titan and Devilman Crybaby was on the honorable mentions list which was the remaining 15 left behind from the list, Joey.
The Anime Man vs. The Anime Zone
@@fadedc It's one man vs A Whole Zone. Easy W.
@@mechashadow not when its THE anime man
I feel like Garnt gave more agreeable comments. His reactions have more impact...Genshin Impact
@@sirjhaysie6172 Gayshin midpact
the idea that how 'good' a series is should be based off by it's impact on the industry/size doesn't really make sense imo. in that case more recent shows would be automatically worse than their predecessors, which isn't the case. the best is just about enjoyment/quality and shouldn't really be measured by how big of an impact the show had.
Thankyou, I thought the same thing. He just kept commenting on the impact on shows like Mob Psycho and One Piece so if that's the case I guess DBZ is Joeys no. 1 anime since its had the most impact. It just makes no sense.
@@leleo2219 lol right? "Mob is new so it can't be top ten". This just turned into a top ten most influential (shounen) anime list. Not that these are bad shows!
Yes thank you! totally agree
Yeah, I felt the exact way. A top anime doesn't have to do anything that changes the entire medium, but instead pushes animation/story/direction to its current top; all in all something that provides the most enjoyment.
These takes from Joey that animes need to be "profound" to be at the top is why he has the reputation of being somewhat of a contrarian or eccentric.
IGN said what they were judging the “top 10” for at the beginning of the video. I think that might be why he kept bringing it up.
I like how Joey agrees with most of the picks and reasonings, but still calls the list painful 😂
Joey in the Title: “IGN’s Top 10 list is painful”
Joey in the Video: *“IGN’s Top 10 list is PAINFULLY GOOD! Hell yeah, let’s go boys!”*
While I wouldn’t consider FMA:B to be the top 1, I certainly wouldn’t consider it to be just another Shounen. I’ve never looked at it the same way I look at series like Naruto
Yeah, I wouldn't put FMA at the top either (not even top 10 for me), however, it is very different from most shonen in that it explores subjects that are quite unusual for manga aimed at teens (the entire war flashback). It's definitely more mature in a lot of ways than a lot of seinen. It even breaks a lot of shonen tropes: as an example, Edward does become stronger (better prosthetic, training) but there really isn't any "power level" in FMA.
@@Knoloaify if anything, at the end Edward let's go of his power of alchemy, as a sign of personal growth, very much within the established power system and as a thematic abolition of the rule of equivalent exchange, that for the whole series has had a hold over protagonists and antagonists of the series and held them back from trying to be better, which is contrasted by earlier scene of Father being consumed by his Gate. Like come on, typical shonen my ass.
Agree but at the same time FMA is not even in my top 15
Joey says that but he's a dragon fanboy
@@Nik-md4to Can you share your top 15?
I was kinda surprised how some of the picks in this list were genuinely good.
Ign googled top 10 overrates and top 10 underrated animes and make a random mixed listed from them
They're all good picks, some are just overrated. IGN is ran by geeks and gamers too anyways so it makes sense that this list worked seemed pretty decent.
their top10 looks good,
but top25 looks like a clusterfuck devoid of logic
@@supersaiyanunbreaded6765 not everyone does shits like that other than you.
I can't forgive them for putting 2 of the actual worst anime ever made in the list though....I mean FLCL & Evangelion, bruh even Dragonball Z and Boruto had better story writing than both those trash anime. And you know how bad boruto is and how bad the story in dragonball z in yet somehow by a miracle evangelion managed to do it worse than both those and same with FLCL
Joey really thought he was reacting to the most influential anime and not the greatest
Joey really diving into his contrarian/bad take mode with his FMA take lol
He should look at the rest of the Top 25. He'd probably wonder how they managed to make a decent Top 10 by the end
Once he sees that Demon slayer in the top 25 Animes OF ALL TIME, he will flip off.
@@justmoody5797 I mean, its the biggest anime of all time rn. I think.
@@fish-zb4tg you know the word all time meaning ?
You said RN but the wording you said is wrong the wording should be "It is the most popular anime right now" which is debatable because almost everyone watching this anime for the spectacle of the animation not because it is anything else, and almost no one talks about it after the anime aired no analysis videos no character explorations because the characters are 1D style writing same for the story , and almost everyone knows that if Demon slayer was in the hand of any other Studio and made let's say Decent animation not the god Tier we got , no one will talk about it, because how mute every other thing is.
Saying that an Anime is greatest of all time because of animation is really disrespectful for other animes and writers that pull their heart out to make good stories with good characters and don't even get adapted because luck wasn't on their side or get a shitty studio like what happened with Berserk.
@@justmoody5797 not in 22 maybe but it won awards for best anime two years ago
@@jefftakesdscakes30 yea because of hype once the hype went off people saw it for what it is a normal Shonen show just like any other.
Funny you should say that because Recently Avatar 2 just came out and in the past Avatar 1 was the most growing movie and it won awards and now ask anyone about it they gonna say it was Visually good but everything else was shit but yea...
I feel like the only reason so many people are harsh on FMA is because it's ranked #1 on multiple sites. If it weren't (like Hunter x Hunter) people would treat it way more fairly and appreciate it for what it does well, e.g. world building, characters, narrative. It's the complete package, and not many shounen accomplish as much as FMAB does in 64 episodes.
FMAB can easily placed at top 10 TV show
By a non anime watcher
Well Hunter x Hunter is also way more influential as well
@@thomasffrench3639 Highly disagree. Hunter Hunter didn't really have an impact IMO, it perfected a genera that was already there.. ok. But in the grand scheme of things, that is it. While FMA brought in a whole generation of non-anime fans in to the community.
But this might be a bias opinion, as I still don't get the massive hype behind Hunter Hunter
@@jonatanlukac5894 I prefer the manga over the anime for that show, but I would say that in the 90s it was more complex than a lot of shonen. I haven’t read or watched Yu Yu Hakusho, so I might be wrong on that front. It was a part of the big three wave where shonen focused more on expanding its world than a story centered on one dude. It also made shonen a lot darker. Yeah you had Fist of the North Star, but that was ended a decade before Hunter x Hunter started publishing. Maybe not the most influential, but it was influential
I do like FMAB but I really wish the fans aren’t so toxic to the point they had to lower an anime score in myanimelist just so it could stay at the top. Those type of fans definitely need to touch grass
I wouldn't have put FMA:Brotherhood at 1, but it's significant because it came out as a 64-episode run without becoming a meltdown, was the second attempt (how many stories had enough success to allow for a second try?) that did better. Placing FMA at the top 10 is also nostalgia for a time when we have long-form anime series that start and stop (and conclude) at one go, whereas most modern attempts are broken up into so many seasons that the pacing suffered.
FMAB was amazing, it's hard to make a list like that it always feels like something is missing. Doesn't matter who you place at NR1, someone will always disagree. All great animes there.
No way Joey just called FMA Brotherhood "just another shounen"
Exactly! It's kinda like calling Berserk "just another dark, edgy story" - that's just plain wrong...
it is though. I love fmab but I even think even the likes of naruto has themes and character moments on the same level not to mention the character development. Fmab ending was perfect though and for only 60 episodes it is kinda amazing. Not far above every shounen though in my opinion
@@NemzYT name me a popular shounen with no fillers, with good start to end with good pacing. FMAB is hands-down the most completed shounen so far, the rest are either not finished yet or filled with a lot of flaws
@@liuluciaz6673 very true also
@@liuluciaz6673 FMAB is heavily flawed, what are you talking about. The pacing itself in the beginning is atrocious.
I always love when people even bother to mention Legend of the Galactic Heroes. It's huge, sprawling, and kind of intimidating, but it's also dense and well written and very rewatchable.
I really hope you're joking, i've watched about 50 episodes this has been absolute torture for what is quite possibly one of the worst anime I have seen in my entire life and I mean you can't really name any anime I haven't seen because i've seen just about everything. LOTGH just really really sucks, because the politics and the pacing and there really isn't any good characters in the series that make you even want to watch it. You know even when the MC is so mid and boring that all the other characters are going to be really bad too...it's neither rewatchable or well written. And this last take may be a bit biased but I hate politics and space anime it combined the 2 things I hate the most
I'd go as far as saying it's one of the best works of fiction to come out of Japan.
@@GrowingDownUnder If you hate politics and space, that's probably why you don't enjoy the space opera anime revolving around politics.
@@GrowingDownUnder I think you probably didn't like Game of thrones S1-S5 or Breaking bad, Dune books and the Movie too it is more Drama politics , it is not an anime that you go and see great animation with great action it is slow every action takes a lot to happen.
And probably you won't like Monster or Spice and wolf or any of non action things.
And if you hate politics and space that much why you bothered with it and go instead of saying it is not my type because I hate both of these things, go on and say IT IS THE WORSE ANIME it comes more of a guy seeking attention.
What are you saying is basically twitter guys who go and say I HATE WHEN THIS GUY TWEETS and get mad about it and then go and follow him and read all his tweets.
@@benjaminramsey498 Lol you should do yourself a favor and watch it. It is one of the best novel adaptations I've had the pleasure to see (including the likes of GoT and even LOTR). Absolutely great series with such an unbiased approach to politics, highlithing both the pros and cons of different government systems.
I am glad monster got recognized! When I joined an anime club in college, this was the first anime I saw there (came into during the middle) and omfg what a mind f-k. I have a new appreciation for it over time and I want to rewatch it again. Because I love Satoshi Kon, this was also in my wheelhouse to enjoy.
FMAB got my other half into anime and kept me interested in anime after 15 years. We both still agree it’s one of the most succinct and accessible series regardless of the type of shows you like, so completely agree with the placement. I have friends who are shoujo fans who wouldn’t watch Beserk or AoT, but FMA they have. It also doesn’t phone it in writing female characters like 95% of shounen.
Same! Actually, my SO hated anime when we first got together. He still doesn't like Cowboy Bebop. But I showed him FMA and FMAB. After that, he has now watched countless animes with me and has even picked some out himself. So yes, in my opinion, FMAB fully deserves that spot on the list.
Agreed! The fact that it is often held up as an accessible "gateway" anime for so many people, how is that not influential? Maybe not to the industry like Joey seems to want, but if so many people say "this is the one that got me into anime" well, they wouldn't be here watching videos about anime on youtube without it, would they?
9:05 "Hunter x Hunter is completely deserving of its praise" says Joey who literally has not seen or read Hunter x Hunter at all wtf
FYI: If Hajime no Ippo was titled "Fighting Spirit" in US. In Philippines the title was changed to "Knock Out".
Knock out sounds better, but still kinda sad they didn't just do a direct translation into something like "the first step"
Heck Yu Yu Hakusho was called Ghost Fighter in the Philippines. Was so confused when it aired on animax and they used the original names
@@forgeryyy Yeah even the characters name was change.
@@blastoice9281 Bland and unmarketable. Knockout is the best in terms of marketability.
Think FMAB is a very special case of all the stars aligning. It came out at a time when anime was a bit more niche but beginning to becoming slightly more accepted and accessible. Add to that, it was a lot of people's first or close to first anime and is also really god damn good means it ends up at the top of a lot of peoples lists.
Man, the Trash Taste crew really hates FMAB. I love FMAB and it's my number 1 just because it does so many things right. The animations was good, the politics was good, the hard magic system was inventive, it balanced the grimness with humor. The characters were likeable. I mean it was just so very, very tight. It's the epitome of synergy, it is greater than the sum of its parts.
Wdym?? fmab is gigguks favourite anime
Tbf the MAL stigma also kind of ruined it, as much as it deserved the spot the last decade and I think it's one of the best, I don't think it should be sitting on top now
33:22 God Bless Joey the actual man of culture, for mentioning Revolutionary Girl Utena 🙏🙏🙏
As a zoomer I can certainly agree this shit is insane
I said this before on Garnt's video on their top 25, but it's baffling to me that they had Eva but not Madoka Magica. Their top 25 included Naruto Shippuden, for god's sake. But not Madoka Magica. What.
Naruto is like huge tho
I also clapped when I saw monster on the list, such a masterpiece, a girl I was dating was the one who introduced me to this and to be honest that was the best part of dating her, hands down.
The fact that Revolutionary Girl Utena, a masterclass in using allegories for storytelling, is an honorable mention says everything I need to know about this list.
It's in my personal top 10 for reasons like those.
Overall this is a much better list then expected. I fully believed it was gonna have every popular shonen and nothing else. However I think its actually impossible to make a top 10 list without being subjective and biased. Honestly they needed to put FMA Brotherhood in 1 or 2 or they'd actually get cancelled. But I was also hoping for Akira as well. Also low key I didn't enjoy Bebop as much? 10000% it had such a massive influence but I think the pacing of the story doesn't hold up as well to today's standards.
I think they were only anime series not movies
I mean, in all fairness, outlets only count anime *shows* when making Top Anime lists, since the shows are easier to consider "revolutionary" than the movies.
@@cata8989899 yeah that’s what I’m thinking too
Fullmetal Alchemist is MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID
@@takanara7 I wouldn’t say it’s really mid because the pacing and the characters are really well done. But I don’t think that the story and the animation are all that remarkable. I still think it deserves top 10 but definitely not #1.
When judging medias, you can't make an actual Top that's not subjective. It innately is based on the person who does the top.
The only Tops you can do objectively are ones based on raw data, like the money something made, the runtime, etc...
You can still do popularity contests between educated critics
The decennial Sight & Sound poll works that way, kinda
Everyone voting is still not measuring things the same way
You got different criteria like "my faves" and "most influential"
And then there's pity votes for minorities, which is insulting
At least it doesn't limit your choices...
You can blame both "nostalgia" and "recency bias" equally
@@nelisezpasce Then i's not so much a top as it is a poll result, though. And it's still heavily subjective, since it's the result of various people's personal opinion and taste.
yup. or maybe if u equalize the people making the list, like having fans of varying demographics & genres. not just being dominated by shonen & action fans
Joey is the type of guy that would argue Vampire Survivors is a better game than Elden Ring, because it had a bigger impact on the type of games developers have focused on.
They said it themselves that industry impact is one of the criteria at the beginning, knowing full well their top-1 is something that's just good, no less but also no more.
Wait till Joey sees the Top 25 it would be amazing to see his reaction for this.
The problem with top 10 lists nowadays anyway is that there are so many anime out that the 10 you put on the list have to all be flawless, perfect series that literally everyone can sit down and watch.
Honestly I was pleasantly surprised by this list. I honestly think its a fair competent list.
My Top 10 anime's of all time that i have seen would be:
1. Yu Yu Hakusho
2. Samurai x
3. Cyborg 009
4. Dororo
5. Bleach
6. Kuroko no basket
7. Haikyu
8. Dragon ball
9. Your lie in April
10. Violet Evergarden
The fact that Pokemon isn't on the list speaks for itself
Well, these are the same people who blasted Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire for having, "too much water," so what do you expect? Lol
They were also just bad
Didn't they do that to the original Ruby and Sapphire?
I think the best part about this list is you can tell what years the people grew up in xD
I didn’t know how much i needed to hear you talk about anime. It’s so cool how much knowledge you have! Loved this video!
30:09 thats a very good question i would have for sure put it in the top 10, but honestly its just hard picking a #1 curious to see what would you? yes you pick as a #1 (equally in terms of preference and the other factors listed at the start)
Problem I have with the nostalgia arguments in the anime community. It just comes off as you’re upset that someone doesn’t like another series that means the world to you. And people really do believe if something hits the 20 year mark it has no value today whatsoever.
Fun fact: Neon Genesis Evangelion is one of the inspirations for a Square Enix game from the 90’s called Xenogears which widely regarded as one of the best RPGs of all time and there are definitely some parallels between Xenogears and Neon Genesis besides the giant mechs such as the deep story that accompanies Xenogears.
Deep story=inspired by evangelion
Xenogears being similar to eva most likely comes from the the fact that they were both influenced by similar media and ideas popular in 80s-90s japan at the time rather than contributing all of those similarities to it being directly inspired by eva (though there probably are some direct influences from eva, my point isn't that it doesn't have any, i am just saying not ALL of it is eva). For example, things like:
Space battleship yamato, mobile suit gundam (especially g gundam in xenogears) SDF macross, space runaway ideon, ultraman, nausicaä of the valley of the wind (even more apparent in the manga version), 2001: a space odyssey, childhood's end (book).
And as i said in that time period in japan esotericism, mysticism, magick, psychoanalysis etc. were really popular. So both of them directly took inspiration from kabbalah/jewish mysticism, gnosticism, ideas of freud (and neo freudian thinkers like lacan) and jung et al.
Also Xenogears >>> Evangelion >>> Eureka seven >>> Gasaraki >>> Rahxephon >>> Fafner >>> Darling in the franxx
If we are comparing eva to other mecha series that people call as being eva copies.
Fun fact, Hajime Ippo was written by an actual ex-boxer and boxing coach, thats why it was so realistically written.
the impact of a show doesn't make it the "best". the "best" is the quality of how enjoyable it is, just like the "best" sports player is determined by how skilled they are. In anime, the enjoyability of an anime is based on how skilled the staff are in executing the anime.
if you wanted it to be based on impact it would be called "the most influential anime of the decade"
yeah, this angle confused me as well
sure, legacy can be one of many criteria, but if "cultural impact" was the most important quality (as Joey makes it out to be imo) half of the list would consist of Dragon Ball + the big three
@@Raptain no it wouldn’t. There would be so much more variety. Dragon Ball, sure, but the big three are more influential to the manga world than the anime one.
Joey please do more of these top 10 stuff I just love watching you talk about Anime.
Why listen to man that doesn't watch anime go on and talk about anime? I like Joey and the rest of the Trash Taste boys a lot but whenever they start talking about anime they're not even watching... I start malding.
it was a way better list than i thought it would be
I can understand FMAB being #1. It is an amazing adaptation of amazing source material. It has a great story, great characters and writing, amazing ost, and has great animation. As well as it is pretty long so you have a lot to chew on.
Without being TOO long that its length might alienate potential viewers, or having so many shows/series/versions as to not know where to start.
Monster can never truly be praised enough definitely worthy of standing to represent what anime is, when you think of a anime as the goat think of monster and ask yourself again. Not one epic fight scene or peak animation but still incredible.
I think fullmetal alchemist probably appeals to what Americans really love. It also doesn’t have anime tropes that put Americans off. I really love the show, I just think it’s just a safe answer for IGN to give.
No offense, but i don't know what you're on about.
Fullmetal alchemist is full of anime tropes. The humor is very anime like with the chibi and goofy faces, the older woman hardcore OP mentor trope, the older sister scary and dangerous trope. It has many more I'm definitely forgetting.
You should instead talk about the themes which work well with the American viewers than Japanese who like more shonen type themes. Fullmetal alchemist has many good themes with varying degrees of success. Morality with Ed, Al and the Philosophers Stone, Vengeance with Scar, Greed with Ling etc.
as Garnt said, your list mustn't appeal to as many people as possible but to to piss off as little people as possible
@@nathanj3528 They mean Brotherhood.
It's funny seeing Joey react to HxH being on the list despite never reading/watching it. What he said was valid, though you can feel the osmosis kicking in for that one
If this video gets 1 mil, Joey has to make his own top 25 list of best anime of all time. And if that video gets 2 million, then he can do one on manga. AND IF THAT GETS 3 million, then he can do one on MANGAKA. AND AND IF THAT GETS 4 million, then he has to do one for anime studios. AND IF THAT GETS 5 MILLION VIEWS, HE CAN DO A TIERLIST ON ALL GENRES OF MANGA…
Loving the new type of videos on your second channel❤️
I think, as a corporate top 10, they actually did try to make one that people could agree and not be angry with, while making it obvious they weren't trying to be pandering to the lowest common denominator (most of the time). Even if they favored shounen for the most part, IGN did a competent job at making such an impossible list.
I'm sorry but you get a small L on that last take. I wouldn't probably have made FmaB number 1 but it's one that fully deserves being in top 10. That anime and manga are near perfection. Great animation, great fight scenes, iconic characters all written in depth, iconic lines and scenes, complex story with multiple moving parts, deep and dark themes uncommon to the stereotypical shonen etc. I'd say that in the west, for a different generation, FmaB was as great as a gateway anime as cowboy bebop
Imo opinion fmab is the baseline for a 10/10 anime. It meets the minimum requirements for a 10/10 show
Edit: I also believe madoka magica deserves to be on this list
Surprised how good this was, by personal preference I would swap the order but definitely all deserving titles, so excited for monster to come to Netflix Australia soon
I’m a huge FMAB lover but the reason it’s loved so much, in my opinion, is just because it does what it does well and is a very complete show in my opinion, regardless of how impactful it is in culture. Lots of these shows were great picks but at the end of her day I was not holding my breath and expected IGN to just slap a show that was loved by so many people in first place.
I can basically explain why FMAB is considered the best anime ever made, because for anime to be good it must meet these criteria:
Story
Characters / character development
Animation
World building
Voice acting
Creativity / originality
Balance
Ending
Pacing
Consistency
Foreshadowing
No exposition dumps
No fillers/flashbacks/recaps
No plot holes
Censored or uncensored
Fanservice or no fanservice
How well does it follow the source material like manga?
Is there bad arcs?
Does it have flaws?
Is the anime repetitive?
How well does it age?
Things like Art style, Enjoyment, Genres, Music, Themes these are subjective things so you can still judge based on them but should not be the main focus of judging an anime.
Now I can truely say that FMAB is the only anime in history that basically meets every single one of these criteria...It's even rare to find anime with good story, characters and animation all 3 in 1. There really isn't all that many anime that do all 3 of those well. Let alone all of the criteria I mentioned. FMAB deserves it's title as the best because from a non biased perspective, it is the only anime that has every single element needed to make anime great
@@GrowingDownUnder I call this the straight A's vs the Single S dilemma. While I consider FMAB to have A in all of the categories mentioned above I know there are series that have "S" scoring in more than one of those, while have Bs or Cs in others.
I think AOT had a better excecution as an adaptation than FMAB, and I had to rewatch parts of FMAB to confirm this. The series hasn't aged as well in certain animation and excecution aspects, but it is still an A.
Sidenote, did you know Arakawa herself is a big fan of Legend of the galactic heroes? it makes sense considering both have such a big cast of well developed characters. That is a series that has several Ss that makes it worth it, while having other Ds and even Fs like animation sadly
@@sefatsilverlake3816 While I like AOT way more than FMAB...AOT was not consistent, the characters in AOT are kinda all bad and unlikeable. Levi is only cool because he's edgy and strong, but he's a pretty badly written character if i'm being honest. He got a little bit of backstory but barely enough to call him well written. Eren is well written, but as a character he's trash and unlikeable, also crybaby most the series. AOT had bad arcs too like part 3 and final season part 1. Too much politics and it got pretty bad actually, i'd say big inconsistency there especially changing studios having inconsistency with animation too
LOTGH is an F tier anime, because it's fail it's trash. No good characters, boring story, boring politics, repetitive, outdated anime that aged extremely badly, etc...
@@GrowingDownUnder Well... that is yout opinion and it is ok. Arakawa (the creator of FMAB) disagrees with it. She thinks LOGH is great
@@GrowingDownUnder That's way too bookwormy
Joey doing anime content again? A unexpected surprise, but a welcome one.
Nah, mate. I've been watching anime since the late 90s and I JUST watched FMAB two years ago. It's still that good with no nostalgia factored in.
Garnt: FMAB is the most inoffensive and obvious number 1. No one would complain.
Joey:
Yeah Joey has a better understanding of anime culture for obvious reasons
Honestly overall this isnt as bad of a list as I expected.
I was fully expecting Pokémon to be in the number 1 spot for no reason other than "it would be an interesting curveball".
There is no such thing as a true top ten anime of all time, because everyone's opinion will be different. My favorite anime will be different from almost everyone else's favorites. It doesn't necessarily mean I have bad taste, just that I have a different opinion. Almost none of the anime I would put into a top ten are in this list.
First sensible comment
To say YuYu Hakusho or HunterxHunter have had a bigger impact to the GENERAL anime community over FMA is insane. There are people who don't watch any anime whatsoever, that have still seen and enjoyed FMA.
There's a reason it's the gateway anime most people choose to show their friends and that's because it is one of the most complete packages ever. Characters are well defined and likable, story is succinct and to the point, with clear goals, crescendos and moments of calm and the animation is superb.
Trying to downplay its significance comes off as very contrarion. It's almost universally at the top of most top 10's for a reason. It's not my absolute favorite anime, but it's definitely way up there. It's also obvious why it would be most people's favorite.
Together yes, individually Maybe not.
Disagree with this. Yu Yu Hakusho and Hunter x Hunter are some of the most influential stories in the medium.
Bruh, you seriously wanna argue with that.? lol both YYH and HXH have wayyy bigger impact on it's genre. you don't know history of you said so. please put favoritism apart
Joey, you're gonna have to forgive the boys at IGN for pronouncing it the way he did. this is how we were hearing kuwabara say his name the entire time in the dub.
The list is totally fine I was expecting Jujutsu Kaisen, Demon Slayer, One Piece, Naruto, FMA BH, maybe HxH. Just the biggest shōnen shows that to satisfy the biggest audience, but Monster and Yū Yū Hakusho and FLCL are some special shows. Fine list, if anyone would say to me these are his favorite shows, I would expect he or she has watched more than 10 shows.
Take a look at the top 25 list, every single one of those is there.
The only thing that can make Yu Yu Hakusho not be the type of shonen you've just described is the fact that it's older than them. Also, out of all those shonen FMA in terms of it's story and structure stands out the most (no arcs, short fights)
yeah, they watched 25 shows instead.
Yuu yuu hakusho IS just another generic shounen though, definitely not top 25 material.
Some people really likes to look cool or diffrent that they tend to be hypocritical when it comes to lesser known animes. Praising YuYu Hakusho while thinking One Piece HxH and FMA are generic is just so funny haha.
Ngl, I’m not mad about this top ten ten being topped off by Brotherhood. I think it’s how well balanced the series is, just how intentional every moment we’re shown is from start to finish. Even with how much I adore Yu Yu Hakusho, there were definitely things it could have done.
I don’t think FMA Brotherhood was a lot of people’s first anime, but it was definitely the first shounen series I saw that wasn’t all about martial arts & fisticuffs.
This top ten definitely got me more interested in seeing what the top 25 list looks like, given they didn’t include a shoujo series in the top ten contenders.
Monster is my number 1. It’s to me is the best plot in fiction with the best antagonist ever imo. Monster changed my life that I’m currently writing a book similar to it.
I'm confused why their list in "PAINFUL" when the list itself is actually genuinely good.
Clickbait my friend
Having FMAB at one and not having AoT at all is more than painful.
They missed Code Geass for the greatest ending in fiction and Madoka Magica for the impact it had on the magical girl genre (my favorite is Assassination Classroom but these two had to be mentioned before it because of the amazing story they told and the impact they had).
Madoka magica is great but it is not top 10.
Plus, it seems that you obviously forgot about the trainwreck that is known as Code Geass R2
@@darkyang6601 What trainwreck lol? It is GOATed.
Madoka Magica is wildly overrated in terms of "impact." What it did was introduce a bunch of people to magical girl shows who had very opinionated views of what they were, but very little experience in the actual genre. Had they watched predecessors like Princess Tutu or Kaitou Jeanne, they'd realize that Madoka Magica is really just a popular but otherwise straight take on the more dour side of magical girl shows. Excellent execution, but people mistaken it for being NGE when it was really closer to Eureka Seven.
If we are talking magical girl genre, candidates like Sailor Moon or Cutie Honey probably deserve it more. Hell, I'd even go to Cardcaptor Sakura before giving the prize to Madoka Magica.
This same effect of "newbies with strong opinions and little experience" happened to isekai shows as well, which used to feature some pretty heartwrenching premises, a lot of female MCs, and rather complex, built up worlds. Then SAO (and just narou-kei) came along and rewrote what isekai meant, and now everyone is drowning in mediocrity crying about how isekai as a genre sucks, when the real solution is to just watch older shows for "darker themes." Re:Zero is fine for what it is, but it isn't really a revolutionary step for having suffering, nor is Mushoku Tensei really special for emotional distress. Both of these actually represent what the genre moved away from, as shows like Now and Then, Here and There or Twelve Kingdoms very much play up how the new world is not convenient and how easy it is to blame the world for your own problems.
These genres aren't what the newcomers think they are. Magical girl shows have been doing hard emotional turmoil since the 90s. Isekai shows did character growth and dark premises since the 80s. Go back and watch the classics. Please.
@@c.k.1933 The ending? Sure. But the entirety of R1 and R2? Hell nah.
Joey is definitely the biggest contrarian in the anime community
My top 5 Anime
1. Aot
2. Steins Gate
3. Monster
4. Re: zero
5. clannad After story
I would like to see the top manga of all time, for me everything that made Takehiko Inoue, deserve top 5 atleast.
Joey kinda underrates fmab as usual, I can't really see anyone naming 10 or more better shounen animes for fmab to be called just another shounen. I get it when you don't particularly like a show that may be objectively good, fmab isn't one of my favorites either. But it's definitely not just another shounen I can see that much. There aren't many shounen shows that meet it's standard unfortunately.
Hxh, csm, jjk, jojo, aot, death note are much better
@@reilzy See you literally reply with 2 animes that either only had the first season or didn't even finish. jjk is great but the first season is basically a prologue. chainsaw man ongoing, wasn't even out at the time of the list. Death Note I love but man the last act is painful at best. It's not easy to come up with 10 that have a good case for them like I said, fmab hardly a regular shounen. A "regular" shounen is something like black clover or noragami.
A good case could be made for attack on titan, hunter hunter, hajime no ippo, one piece, yu yu hakusho, great teacher onizuka and dbz if cultural impact is important on the list. That's 7 so hardly "regular shounen" status for fmab is appropriate... It's a top shounen no need to underrate it.
@@reilzy
HxH is agreeable
AOT hell no (after that ending? LMAO)
CSM hell no (doesn't do anything better than FMABH)
JJK hell no (Better than CSM,but doesn't do anything better than CSM)
Jojo is debatable (Massive,very well thought out,very influential,great protagonists,great antagonists,Unique,bizarre)
@@lumina1re329 ive read the csm manga and currently reading jjk
@@marcioamaral7511 ok, i would still rather watch this than fmab
1. Ping Pong the Animation
2. Paranoia Agent
3. Eureka Seven
4. Fullmetal Alchemist
5. Durarara
6. Baccano!
7. Stand Alone Complex
8. Welcome to the NHK
9. Neon Genesis Evangelion
10. Samurai Champloo
Joey's beef with full metal goes waay deeper it seems cause none of his explanation makes sense 😂😂🤣🤣
Joey, I appreciate you taking the time to do the list. I think what makes FMA:Brotherhood different is the much darker nature of the series and the Ray of hope it provides for the entire cast of characters and the audience. But the biggest problem is that as you mentioned earlier, anime has a 70+ year history and it is wildly difficult to riddle that down to 25. Kudos to you brother.
to be honest, this list was surprisingly decent?
Imagine calling one of the most complete, character driven stories with great world building and the best magic system in all of anime "Just another Shonen". I agree that FMA fans hype it up too much, but Joey REALLY downplays how good it really is
What does it do differently from other shonen tho? It’s great don’t get me wrong, but it did not bring all that much to the table.
@@thomasffrench3639 It's one of the very few shonen shows where fights aren't determined by who is stronger or has the better technique or someone pulling a bullshit powerup out of their ass, but by how smart they are. Hell, most fights don't even end with proper winners and losers. They all serve the main plot. They are used to explore character motivations or develop relationships. For example, Lin and Lan Fan vs Bradley ends with Lan Fan cutting off her arm and running away and is used to show The difference in the two king's ideologies. Gluttony and Envy vs Ed, Al, Roy and Lin ends abruptly and is used to solve a part of the mystery of Xerxes.
The whole story is just very tightly written with every character having a roll to play. At a time when shonen stories went on for too long, FMA actually had a story to tell without the need to extend it.
The magic system is ingenious. Not only is it rooted in real life alchemy, but it's one that doesn't need to be explained much during combat. You can watch Ed make a metal spear from blood and it makes sense. Blood is rich in Iron so you can connect those dots. The magic system is linked with science. The smarter you are, the stronger you are.
Lastly I want to talk about exploring themes and ideas. There aren't that many shonen out there that do this to the same level as FMA. It tackles themes of Atheism vs Religion, the cycle of hatred, political and religious corruption, genocide, how thirst for scientific innovation can lead you down dark paths, etc. All of these are tied to different character's story arcs too. For example, cycle of hatred links both Scar and Roy's character arcs as well as Winry's. Characters own stories bleed into each other in a way that's organic and serves to explore these themes.
In the end, I don't think it's about "what FMA does different", it's about "how well does FMA tell it's stories and ideas" and in my opinion, it's phenomenal at it
@@lyger8742 People are always like this. They just can't find a balance between the two. They either overrate/oversell something or undersell/downplay it. Especially when something gets called "the best of all time" by so many people for so many years, they feel like they have to oppose it, like in the case of FMAB. There is also a phenomena that happens quite often in media, that being the "vibe shift". It happens quite often when the show or movie or whatever thing at hand gets circlejerked too much to either sides of the extreme (negative or positive). Star wars prequels kind of went through this for example. People used to sh1t on them until one day the new generation that grew up with them replaced the old one and for that reason+getting annoyed by how much sh1t they got as well, the new/young fans started defending them. Not to mention the sequels came and made prequels look like they were great in comparison lol. Bleach is the same. People are only hyping this new sequel because of the vibe shift. Bleach will always be a mediocre to bad action shounen (i can count lots of better ones than it) and story in general, sorry but no amount of nostalgia googles can change/fix that.
Anyway my point is this happens in media quite often and FMAB is probably going through a smilar phase. Over 10 years passed since it stopped airing and since that time period it stayed as n1 on MAL. So the new generation fans don't get its appeal as much and think that it gets too overrated. Personally as i said both sides are kind of wrong. It is indeed a great anime, maybe even the best action/adventure shounen but is it n1? Ofc not, but people would complain about another series being n1 too unless it is a consensus favorite among every anime fan. The closest thing to something like that is LoGH and even that series has its own detractors. So it doesn't matter really, you just can't appeal to everyone at the same time.
If you asked about my personal ranking of FMAB? I would say it is definitely top 100 material maybe at best i can see myself putting it in top 50 but top 25? No way. But you should take my opinion as someone who has seen lots of anime and is extremely critical of the media they consume. Where one puts it in their own list depends on not only how many anime they have seen but also on how critical they are and what their taste/preferance in media is like. So, can a top 50 anime still be called overrated? To some yes, to some no. For me it is perfectly rated in its genre but outside its genre, yeah definitely overrated. However it isn't any more overrated than stuff modern anime community loves hyping up in recent years like AoT, kaguya-sama, 86, mushoku tensei, spy x family, bunny girl senpai, violet evergarden, chainsaw man etc. In fact i would put all of those shows wayy below FMA, easily.
Best magic system? Yeah, no. I can agree on some points but Alchemy is nowhere near as interesting, dynamic and complete as Nen from HxH.
Joey really is just like those people who are hypocritical when giving opinions about more known animes. These are the type of people who think they will look cooler if they disagree with the majority. Imagine praising YuYu Hakusho while thinking the other more known animes as generic shounen is very funny. Thats a pretentious elitist right there.
The anime i believe should be in the top three is Hokuto no Ken, shit made the action genre, it was the tree that branched out and made major series, stories such as Berserk or JoJo. It’s probably one of the anime that has made the largest impact on the current state of anime and manga
I would say that Gundam and DBZ have a far bigger impact on anime as a whole. Like Berserk and JoJo are popular, but not really heavy hitters in popularity. JoJo maybe, but I don’t think so
It isn’t on the list because the adaptation is weak (censored), could’ve been if they readapt it to another studio like David Production same studio that animated JoJo’s.
Nonetheless the Manga is better 💯🐐
@@thomasffrench3639you only based on Global views, while in Japan it is Fist of the North Star mostly.
@@chrispolo25 David pro did animate it but for an NFT
Not including Gintama is a crime...
best comedy anime ever😢
Well it's not for everyone
(I started writing this before the end of the video) I think what's getting me about this list is that there's no shoujo, romance, or slice of life stuff. No Sailor Moon, no Fruits Basket, no Clannad. Utena, Ouran, His and Her Circumstances. And not to mention other well-known series like Trigun, Inuyasha, Naruto, Bleach, Rurouni Kenshin, Attack on Titan, My Hero Academia, etc. I think lists like these, "The Best Anime" or "The Most Influential Anime" or whatever you want to call them can just never be accurate no matter who makes them because this is so subjective.
And as a personal sidenote: I get irrationally mad when people mention FMAB without mentioning the 2003 series. Did it follow the manga's end? No, of course it didn't, the ending hadn't been written yet and Arakawa told them she approved of their ending. But was it good? Hell yeah it was, and it has concepts in it that I think are actually way cooler than Brotherhood.
Edited to add: Gintama, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, Berserk, Gundam
Agreed, I unironically enjoyed watching FMA way more in my childhood rather than watching FMAB way later on, even if FMAB is arguably better for obvious reasons the story didn't just give me the same feelings or vibe when I was a kid.
Mob ending is one of the best ones, i know we still havent seen it animated but reading it got me satisfied and thats rare.
No Sailor Moon or Futari wa Pretty Cure? One defined the magical girl genre and was a commercial monster with influence seen all over the world, and the other saved the genre and continues to be a staple for 20 years.
Idgaf, FMA did put the shonen anime through the fire and forge and showed us the ultimate form of it without any fluff, and it was far from my first anime ever. Nothing I've watched has ever surpassed it in my mind because it's emotional writing is leagues above any other shonen I've seen
FMA Brotherhood is not just another Shounen i completely disagree with this statement tbh, FMa has arguably the best story in all of anime (paired with AOT if it wasn't for the terrible ending), it was able to wrap up all of the story and characters arcs in a way that other anime just dream of doing, and let's not forget the deep and philosofical aspects of the story, Conspiracy, corrupted military, racism, the value of a human life, the concept of a ''GOD'' or a higher being.
Sometimes when i hear joey talk about FMA i think he might have seen another series and mistaken it for Brotherhood because there is no way he really thinks it's just another Shounen because it isn't
Yeah, his comparisons did *not* make sense at all and makes me wonder if he even watched the show to begin with.
AoT is *nothing* like FMA, like how do you even come to that conclusion? Its completely ridiculous. You would have to ignore the fact that it doesn't involve a single character relationship like the brotherhood within FMAB, which is quite literally such a major theme and relevance to the work that its *in the title of the anime*.
Everything you just mentioned about the philosophy is pretty standard anime stuff.
@@thomasffrench3639 What philosophy?
I did not go into any appreciable depth on anything in FMAB there besides pointing out a very blatant difference between AoT, but most anime do not focus on brotherhood much at all.
Friendship sure, but brotherhood is a lot rarer, at least with regards to the type of anime that FMA is (action/adventure).
Tell me an anime which has a similar relationship and focus in brotherhood to FMAB besides Gurren Lagann (which is another massive exception to the rule).
There are multiple themes in FMAB which are tackled, that's just one of multiple that are focused on and a major one.
FMAB's take on brotherhood touched a lot of people.
FMA:B does have a nostalgia factor, but, it's odd for Joey to flame it for said nostalgia factor while praising Cowboy Bebop since that also has a nostalgia factor for a lot of people
20:03 so coincidentally I was playing Tetris 99 while watching this and it's the Kirby event this week. When Joey begins to clap, it actually went to the Kirby beat in my game and I was like "I'm definitely in a simulation"
Joey is not an anime expert. He is just a man who doesn't like anime that much anymore.
Wish some shojos would be on these lists, it’s always shonen or heavy action animes. What about Card Captor Sakura or Sailor Moon? Those shows have done so much for the anime community as well…
unfortunately no one cares about the female demographic.
well, the mainstream anime community at least.
even if they do care its usually only about Nana which is "not like other shojo" 🤪
@@mono8476 people watch shows with female demographics, but not in the west. The west has tried to standardize media so that everyone can watch it, but most of the media that’s foundational to for mainstream media in the west has been towards a male demographic. So the more girly shows have been ignored by the wider western anime community because both men and women aren’t used to that stuff. That’s my theory anyway
Okay Joey, Naruto over FMA? There's a reason it's loved so much, not just because it's 'the first shounen' for many people. It's not just 'another' shounen. It doesn't have to be 'the first' in something to be considered worth, it's taking the premises, creating a world, telling a story and executing things. And with execution, I wouldn't put AOT above FMA (and I fucking love AOT too). Maybe it's not THE best for many, but 100% worth the list
Calling fmab just another shonen is insane work