Small historical question: didn't alexander have a large contingent of peltasts at Guagamela? This army only has cretan archers as missile units. Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't the peltasts crucial in preventing Darius' Baktrian cavalry from engaging the Macedonian campanians allowing Alexander to charge into a weak spot the Persian ranks? Not a major issue, just thought it was worth a mention.
he did have peltasts, but they were a mercenary group mixed with all kinds of slingers, archers, javelin throwers that weren't concentrated enough to be represented in a single unit for each weapon. His own Macedonian javeliners were on the left and center wings. The Cretan archers are probably the best way to represent the peltasts given their range and relative weakness without support.
5 years later but here it goes. I remember reading in a book how Alexander did have peltasts at gaugamela. The author explained how peltasts are extremely effective against cavalry as their projectiles could knock a man out his horse, not kill him, but certainly knock him out of his horse and thus rendering the enemy cavalry ineffective. Unfortunately this game does not have an injure system and this why peltasts are sort of useless in this game.
As I just said, the Persians actually drove through a gap in the Macedonian lines and got behind them. That's why Alexander couldn't pursue Darius. He had to save the baggage train (which was in the rear of the Macedonian line). Alexander's battle plan was to take the initiative with a penetrating attack on Darius' center of gravity (as I said); this would lessen the danger of a Persian double-envelopment. That said, Alex's attack didn't stop the Persians from getting to his rear
Arrian says there were about 200 chariots present (which is a lot considering how out-dated they became during this time period). There was an assort of heavy & light cavalry from the Persians and her subjects. Arrian gives an incredible number (which is too high), but you can assume that the Macedonian cavalry was outnumbered by the Persian cavalry by an disproportionate number
I don't think you're understanding this...lol Alexander KNEW he was going to get outflanked by that MASSIVE Persian army. So he pre-empted an attack on them to prevent THEM from outflanking him. Do you know what a pre-emptive attack is? Let's pretend if I stood still, you could send 3 guys to beat me up. And I just sit there, and get my butt kicked. OR I could launch my OWN pre-emptive attack (BEFORE you), and beat up those 3 guys before they coordinate a proper attack. Do you get it now?
the easiest way to do it is to highlight the units you want, drag the right-click (on mouse), and then you'll see where the line will form (and what depth)
I'm envious...I got off work early, but I had to run errands. I'm sure a sports bar would've showed the game (I think so anyway), but it's generally very hard watching friendly matches here in this country
The man lost one battle, and it was an assault on a fortified fort, and than he went on the take the city the next time. Patton is not overrated, he was one of the finest commanders in the war (as good as Rommel) and in U.S. military history.
4:20 xD that was so priceless, seriously my sides were hurting for a good few seconds. I think that's the first I've personally heard you swear (bleep) in one of your videos lol.
the whole reason why I'm playing against the AI here is because I couldn't find any human opponents... And I don't want to take the time to arrange games. I don't do that anymore.
Alexander fielded 47,000 troops while darius III fielded an estimated 50,000 to 100,000(Modern) & in ancient times historians said 250,000+ Soldiers. fielded by Darius.By ancient sources the game depict the size correctly,Alexander was heavily out numbered.Only historical inaccuracies are the army compositions.
And you are telling me Darius did not commited 200.000+ of his soldiers for some reason? Ah please, you are a fool if you actually believe the ancient sources
obviously, the game designers had to make a choice...add more archers/slingers (like the last battle) or increase the amount of melee-style infantry and cavalry. I think it was a good idea because it made this scenario different than the Issus battle
I know that the Macedonians were outnumbered but an army composition of just 11 units against 29 persian units has got to be an insanely outrageous inaccuracy.
Great Battle and i remember the first time i studied Alexander and couldn't believe he beat back the massive Persian army at Gaugmela - despite Alexanders negatives he wss still a military genius.
Hey PrinceofMacedon, I wanted to recommend you a great book on military history, it's by german historian Hans Delbrück, "History of the art of war" in 4 volumes. It's from 1920 but still very good and informative. At his time, Delbrück revolutionized military history, correcting many false beliefs that people had about ancient wars and battles. He talks in detail about the strategies and tactics of the great commanders and reconstructs many battles based on the known facts. It's a great work.
The way I heard it Darius only attacked the Macedonian left while they tried to hold the center and that their left wing cav (Macedonian right) only went parallell with the Macedonians cav without actually engaging until Alexander saw an oppertunity and attacked the center. But I would have done similar to Hannibal at Cannae but since he didn't live until a long time after it's kinda hard for Darius to know what he couldhave done.
why would it bother you? Not sure why you felt the need to say that (or the need to say "not being rude"). I'm more transfixed on the wording of your comment, then actually answering your question (which you could've just asked without making your comment completely awkward)
Use skirmishers, put them in loose formation and have your leader near them so they don't lose morale when the chariots charge. Getting chariots in tight spaces, like a rocky formation is a good strategy too, if you're using hoplites/pikemen in phalanx formation. Archers using fire arrows is a good way to deal with them too, don't engage them with your cavalry.
I'm not saying that he single handedly won the war. Of course the Soviets had a huge part in it. But I'm saying that he won where other generals would have failed. His tactics and personality made him better than others, including say Monty and Hodges.
What easy battles are you talking about? North Africa was a challenge. Especially during Rommel's counterattack. Sicily was challenging due a particularly tough panzer division. Patton was the one who broke the stalemate at Normandy and drove the Germans back. He repelled the Germans in and took the Lorraine. He saved the Americans in the Ardennes. And once he crossed the Rhine, than it was a route.
Small historical question: didn't alexander have a large contingent of peltasts at Guagamela? This army only has cretan archers as missile units. Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't the peltasts crucial in preventing Darius' Baktrian cavalry from engaging the Macedonian campanians allowing Alexander to charge into a weak spot the Persian ranks? Not a major issue, just thought it was worth a mention.
he did have peltasts, but they were a mercenary group mixed with all kinds of slingers, archers, javelin throwers that weren't concentrated enough to be represented in a single unit for each weapon. His own Macedonian javeliners were on the left and center wings. The Cretan archers are probably the best way to represent the peltasts given their range and relative weakness without support.
yea I've heard that too
5 years later but here it goes.
I remember reading in a book how Alexander did have peltasts at gaugamela. The author explained how peltasts are extremely effective against cavalry as their projectiles could knock a man out his horse, not kill him, but certainly knock him out of his horse and thus rendering the enemy cavalry ineffective.
Unfortunately this game does not have an injure system and this why peltasts are sort of useless in this game.
You're in the desert Alex, just be glad you were attacked by a snake!
glad you enjoyed it, man
Issus and Gaugamela. In the next video, I'll be up against King Porus
they start you off with Chaeronea. You have to beat that battle to get to the next battle
As I just said, the Persians actually drove through a gap in the Macedonian lines and got behind them. That's why Alexander couldn't pursue Darius. He had to save the baggage train (which was in the rear of the Macedonian line). Alexander's battle plan was to take the initiative with a penetrating attack on Darius' center of gravity (as I said); this would lessen the danger of a Persian double-envelopment. That said, Alex's attack didn't stop the Persians from getting to his rear
Arrian says there were about 200 chariots present (which is a lot considering how out-dated they became during this time period). There was an assort of heavy & light cavalry from the Persians and her subjects. Arrian gives an incredible number (which is too high), but you can assume that the Macedonian cavalry was outnumbered by the Persian cavalry by an disproportionate number
thanks for watching, dude
I don't think you're understanding this...lol
Alexander KNEW he was going to get outflanked by that MASSIVE Persian army. So he pre-empted an attack on them to prevent THEM from outflanking him. Do you know what a pre-emptive attack is? Let's pretend if I stood still, you could send 3 guys to beat me up. And I just sit there, and get my butt kicked. OR I could launch my OWN pre-emptive attack (BEFORE you), and beat up those 3 guys before they coordinate a proper attack. Do you get it now?
thanks for watching it, man
it's definitely one of my favorite battles
I love your videos! I all ways wait for a couple of days so I can watch at least more than one episode!
they all have historical battles (Barbarian Invasion, RTW, and Alexander)
4:15 lol UNLEASH HELL!! Ah F$&%!
hhh nice one
definitely, I love reading about this battle! My personal and absolute favorite is the battle on the Hydaspes River
thanks for watching, dude ;)
he tried to, dude. He even had troops swarming in Alexander's baggage
it was a big spider, man! I didn't want to kill it though so I backhanded it behind my World War II books
thanks for watching the videos, man ;)
I like how you killed Darius in previous battle, but his still alive lolz.
thanks, dude. Some TH-camr named 'FlewDesigns' made it for me ;)
sweet...my absolute favorite the Hydaspes River battle
in the historical battles, their actions are more scripted. so they don't just charge in these scenarios
the easiest way to do it is to highlight the units you want, drag the right-click (on mouse), and then you'll see where the line will form (and what depth)
I got to admit that was pretty funny when your screen blacked, i was in fullscreen and thought my computer shut down
I plan to show the Hydaspes Battle next ;)
Gaugamela is by far my favorite Alexander battle, he won against impossible odds, Alexander was a true genius!
I'm envious...I got off work early, but I had to run errands. I'm sure a sports bar would've showed the game (I think so anyway), but it's generally very hard watching friendly matches here in this country
thanks, my friend - glad you enjoyed this different style ;)
The man lost one battle, and it was an assault on a fortified fort, and than he went on the take the city the next time. Patton is not overrated, he was one of the finest commanders in the war (as good as Rommel) and in U.S. military history.
That bleep and the blackscreen were way to funny.
It's always awesome when someone you're subbed to lkes another you're subbed to's video
4:20 xD that was so priceless, seriously my sides were hurting for a good few seconds. I think that's the first I've personally heard you swear (bleep) in one of your videos lol.
Oh my goodness, this battle will be crazy awesome on Rome 2: Total War. I bet Prince can't wait. :)
the whole reason why I'm playing against the AI here is because I couldn't find any human opponents...
And I don't want to take the time to arrange games. I don't do that anymore.
Great battle man, it's actually pretty interesting to see you playing against the AI.
In the battle, you are supposed to kill Darius to route the army. prince is such a badass he kills the army to rout Darius.
Alexander fielded 47,000 troops while darius III fielded an estimated 50,000 to 100,000(Modern) & in ancient times historians said 250,000+ Soldiers. fielded by Darius.By ancient sources the game depict the size correctly,Alexander was heavily out numbered.Only historical inaccuracies are the army compositions.
And you are telling me Darius did not commited 200.000+ of his soldiers for some reason? Ah please, you are a fool if you actually believe the ancient sources
obviously, the game designers had to make a choice...add more archers/slingers (like the last battle) or increase the amount of melee-style infantry and cavalry. I think it was a good idea because it made this scenario different than the Issus battle
definitely! I love reading about this battle. My personal favorite is the Battle of the Hydaspes River :D
Men of War, Rome Total War, Napoleon Total War, Medieval 2 Total War, Worms Revolution, etc will always be uploaded on my channel, dude.
no problem, man
thanks for watching
I cant wait to see you play rtw2. You will be awesome at that game too anyways but I will love to see you play that game.
well, there's a variety of ways you can say 'Darius."
Darius's army was so big even the spider was enlisted!
Wow they gave you A LOT of companions in this battle!
actually, the Persians had extremely good cavalry. The Macedonians were better disciplined and better trained though
thanks, man
Man I have been wanting to play you at Rome it seems like it would be so much fun, but anyways great vid and good job, that was a lot of guys
Big battles on flat planes where all the dead men are seen, pretty cool
I know that the Macedonians were outnumbered but an army composition of just 11 units against 29 persian units has got to be an insanely outrageous inaccuracy.
Great Battle and i remember the first time i studied Alexander and couldn't believe he beat back the massive Persian army at Gaugmela - despite Alexanders negatives he wss still a military genius.
Yeah, I read about it on the dfb site. Did you see the england-sweden match? The highlights were epic
One of the most interesting an epic battles of history, indeed :)
Prince I think u should do more historics with live commentary... Live commentary just gives us a good view
the game said that alexander is 25 but alexander was 20 when he died
Hey PrinceofMacedon, I wanted to recommend you a great book on military history, it's by german historian Hans Delbrück, "History of the art of war" in 4 volumes. It's from 1920 but still very good and informative. At his time, Delbrück revolutionized military history, correcting many false beliefs that people had about ancient wars and battles. He talks in detail about the strategies and tactics of the great commanders and reconstructs many battles based on the known facts. It's a great work.
enjoy it, man!
Incredibly talented.
nice work as always pom
Huge doesn't even come close to the actual size. You might say "closer," but it's really a moot point
Sweet intro, would love to c more of these historics from Rome nd da other total war games
Yeah, I did, just talking about this battle. I know that the Immortals are an archer unit, but still.
Im surprised there aren't more comments about 4:15 little incident. Hilarious. Great tactics love you're videos.
The way I heard it Darius only attacked the Macedonian left while they tried to hold the center and that their left wing cav (Macedonian right) only went parallell with the Macedonians cav without actually engaging until Alexander saw an oppertunity and attacked the center. But I would have done similar to Hannibal at Cannae but since he didn't live until a long time after it's kinda hard for Darius to know what he couldhave done.
why would it bother you? Not sure why you felt the need to say that (or the need to say "not being rude"). I'm more transfixed on the wording of your comment, then actually answering your question (which you could've just asked without making your comment completely awkward)
the Romans went to the war with Persians for hundreds of years, and failed to conquer them. Furthermore, I don't appreciate your racist remark.
Nice vid pom the battle of gaugamela was always one of my favorite battles xd
I pissed myself (in a bad way) when my screen turned black lol
I think it's his accent that makes it sound like that, but he's saying "prince" lol
You know if your general uses "Rally" your guys actually have a burst of speed...
Alexander was a stud, plain and simple. Nice battle POM.
Use skirmishers, put them in loose formation and have your leader near them so they don't lose morale when the chariots charge. Getting chariots in tight spaces, like a rocky formation is a good strategy too, if you're using hoplites/pikemen in phalanx formation. Archers using fire arrows is a good way to deal with them too, don't engage them with your cavalry.
It's Alex (on my travel account)...I'll post the Hydaspes in about 10 hours. I'm still at work
thanks
Darius died there? That battle truly had some strange Issues! XD
I'd love to have some Alexander mosaics on my walls ;)
type in "How to unlock all factions Rome Total War" on google's search feature. You should find your answer that way
EPIC BATTLE! I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS!
Nope. This is the Alexander expansion for Rome Total War.
you have to beat that mission (to unlock the next one). I heard a rumor that you have to increase the difficulty, and then beat it
YAAAAY!!!! I just came from school and an awesome vid waiting me! thx PoM!
I still don't understand the question.
thanks!
sweet, man
OMG.. I must go home now and watch the movie again!
exactly. "You" don't see the need. But I do.
That spider was an attempted assassination by the Persians
He was never wounded there.
awesome!!! thanks for the upload pom
You'd think a Persian army would have a lot of experienced archers, let alone archers at all. Especially in the king's army.
indeed - it would be nice to have Thessalians, Agrianians, etc
man you are a tactical genius
All you're missing is Collin Farrell
LOL PoM was drawing his phalangites into a sort of noob circle. Good move against superior numbers and when you just walloped the ranged Persians.
Brian Blessed!
Although I doubt it, now that I think about how he died and what he was doing before his death it sounds possible.
I'm not saying that he single handedly won the war. Of course the Soviets had a huge part in it. But I'm saying that he won where other generals would have failed. His tactics and personality made him better than others, including say Monty and Hodges.
What easy battles are you talking about? North Africa was a challenge. Especially during Rommel's counterattack. Sicily was challenging due a particularly tough panzer division. Patton was the one who broke the stalemate at Normandy and drove the Germans back. He repelled the Germans in and took the Lorraine. He saved the Americans in the Ardennes. And once he crossed the Rhine, than it was a route.